Approve school vouchers as a way to fight “woke” public schools

[Unkotare]

You continue to allege that all Public schools have a Democrat inclined curriculum. Without any evidence.

That's because there isn't any. I teach in a (very) inner city school in a (very) blue state and I never see any of that nonsense.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Exactly. Liberals think a “good curriculum” teaches more about past black oppression, transgenderism, and oral sex techniques. Conservatives want the focus on basic academic subjects.

Research shows that comprehensive, culturally responsive and inclusive sex education programs help prevent intimate partner violence and help young people develop healthy relationships. These programs have also been shown to reduce rates of sexual activity, sexual risk behaviors, adolescent pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections.
Sex ed "promotes healthy behaviors," says Laurie Dils, associate director of content, health and sexual health education at the Washington Office of Superintendent of Public Instruction. "That's really what we are aiming for as educators, equipping young people with education and skills so that they can make healthy decisions that fit with their own values and their family's values."
But in public school, the quality of sex education your child will receive – or whether they will receive any at all – depends largely on the state and district you live in. There are no federal guidelines for sex education, and currently only 18 states require program content to be medically accurate, according to recent data from the Guttmacher Institute, a research and policy organization focused on sexual health and reproductive rights.

https://www.usnews.com/education/k12/articles/sex-ed-in-schools-what-parents-need-to-know

Are sex acts being taught in school to New Jersey kindergartens?

The answer is no, of course not. But the executive director of the Republican State Committee said they were in a radio interview last week.

“Phil Murphy has mandated that kindergartners and elementary school students be taught about explicit sexual acts,” Tom Szymanski said in a radio interview last Saturday with David Wildstein. “Kindergartners, David.”

He’s not the first to say that. How’d we get here? It’s the product of months of people equating the LGBTQ teaching requirements with sex ed teaching requirements. To be clear, the sex ed curriculum requirements released in 2020 include more talk about LGBTQ people than the previous ones. And, yes, they do require eighth graders to be able to differentiate between vaginal, oral and anal sex by eighth grade. But no, there are no sex acts being taught to kindergartners.

The earliest example of this rhetoric I could find was a December amendment state Sen. Joe Pennacchio (R-Morris) attempted to make to a bill that Murphy ultimately signed requiring schools highlight “diversity of gender and sexual orientation, race and ethnicity, disabilities, and religious tolerance” to students in grades K-12.” Pennacchio’s amendment said that schools “shall not provide instruction on sex education, including but not limited to, anal or oral sex, to any student age five years old or younger in connection with instruction on diversity and inclusion provided pursuant to the provisions of this act” — something that was never in the bill to begin with.

No, schools aren't teaching kindergartners about sex acts

www.politico.com

 

[EMH]

EMH
Lisa558
Flash
Why won't you answer my question?

You just don't 'get it' and you never will.

This open enrollment that you are suggesting is logistically impossible.
If 300 student from schools A,B,C all want to go to school D with their voucher,
can you explain how this would be handled.

1). Staffing
2). Bussing
3). Facility Space

You care to address those and how school D would handle 900 additional students?

Spazzing like a gay coke whore



Answer - empower parents. Trust parents to take care of their kids. Do not trust taxpayer funded leftwing homos.

Parents will decide transport issues.

 

[Unkotare]

Spazzing like a gay coke whore



Answer - empower parents. Trust parents to take care of their kids. Do not trust taxpayer funded leftwing homos.

....

You have a suspiciously intense obsession with "homos." Hmmmm.....

 

[Lisa558]

And it can go the other way. No one seems to think about that. If liberals are allowed to use public education to indoctrinate kids to their liking, conservatives can, and likely will, play the same game. I wonder what they'll say then?

Good point. We should just stick to academic subjects.

 

[Unkotare]

Good point. We should just stick to academic subjects.

History is an academic subject.

 

[Sixties Fan]

And it can go the other way. No one seems to think about that. If liberals are allowed to use public education to indoctrinate kids to their liking, conservatives can, and likely will, play the same game. I wonder what they'll say then?

[It is happening in Florida. How are teachers and parents liking it? Censorship is always a good thing.]

A series of new laws in Florida that bolster parental rights in education, call for curriculum transparency and say no one should be taught to feel guilt for actions in the past by those of the same race or sex, are stifling educators and creating problems in the classroom, according to some teachers and students.

"We have drawn a very clear line in the sand that says our school system is for educating kids, not indoctrinating kids," said Gov. Ron DeSantis in July at the Moms for Liberty conference in Tampa. He would repeat that refrain as he campaigned for conservative school board members across the state ahead of the Aug. 23 primary election.

But as buses rolled into Booker High School on a recent Friday morning, just over a week into the school year, senior Nora Mitchell took issue with the governor's words.

"We are not being indoctrinated," said Mitchell. "Students actually care about these issues. We just want the issues of our BIPOC community of our LGBTQ plus community, we want those issues to be illustrated in the classroom, and we want schools to be safe again."

Since the start of the year on Aug. 10, "the energy on campus has changed. Teachers are frustrated, they are stressed out, and understandably so," Mitchell said. "They can't teach to the fullest extent. Teachers who want to teach about all encompassing issues, talk about current events, they are prevented from doing so."

Sebastian Martinez, who graduated from Booker in 2021 and returned for a visit with teachers and friends on Friday, said "legislation like this definitely moves us backwards. It's socially regressive and dangerous to all students."

The law’s vague wording has created a lot of uncertainty, according to Gail Foreman, who teaches history at Booker High. Now, students that want to be called a different name or pronoun must ask a counselor and the principal, who must ask the parents, who can grant or deny permission.

"I have a lot of students that would use preferred names, and they can't use them until we get the paperwork done. So I'm using last names," said Foreman.

The changes are due to the new Parental Rights in Education law, sometimes called "Don't Say Gay." It says all parents must be notified of any change to their child's mental, physical or emotional well-being.

“My gay kids and my transgender kids seem awfully quiet this year. And it's worrying me, because one of them asked me yesterday, 'Miss Foreman, are we really safe on this campus? Are we going to start dealing with gay bashing, homophobia?' I said, 'No, you're safe in the building, we're going to provide safety for all of our students.' But in my heart, I don't know that that's true."

Sarasota district officials denied a reporter's request to visit a classroom. So Foreman and Jeremy Baldwin, who teaches government and economics at Booker High, agreed to meet early one morning before school started on a sidewalk outside the school.

"It's really frustrating being vocal about it out here, and then being in the classroom with the kids who need to get that acknowledgement and I have got to be sterile. I can't say anything to affirm them or support them," Baldwin said.

Last year, Baldwin was asked to remove a flag in his classroom that had rainbow colors and the word "co-exist." This year, he said the changes have been extensive.

"Everything that we teach in the classroom has to be documented. So from day one, I'm supposed to know what I'm going to do on the last day of school and be able to document every site I use, every text I use. And our classroom libraries are off the table, they're gone, because we have to have a media specialist -- who are not even employed in Sarasota — look at each and vet all of our materials and there's no one there to do it. So the books are basically all banned," said Baldwin

Some teaches have taken additional steps to keep students from accessing books in their classrooms, Foreman said.

"Some of us have covered our bookcases up with paper. I just told the kids it's off limits," she said. "I have tape up and they took it down yesterday. I went and got some police tape. So I'm going to put that up today."

(full article online)

'We are not being indoctrinated.' Students, teachers say Florida's new education laws stifle schools

The Stop Woke Act, Parental Rights in Education law, and new rules about curriculum transparency are changing school practices across the state.

wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu

 

[Flash]

You just don't 'get it' and you never will. EMH

This open enrollment that you are suggesting is logistically impossible.
If 300 student from schools A,B,C all want to go to school D with their voucher,
can you explain how this would be handled.

1). Staffing
2). Bussing
3). Facility Space

You care to address those and how school D would handle 900 additional students?

You Libtards never understand reality and are confused about liberty like this.

I sent my kids to a private school.

1. The cost per student was 31% of what the inefficient and bureaucrat public schools were spending.

2. That private school was traditionally in the top three in achievement test in the County. Usually the other two were also private schools.

3. We could afford to send our kids to the good private school without having a voucher. We could adsorb the cost of tuition and the filthy ass school tax.

4. Poorer families were denied the opportunity for a quality education because they did not have a voucher.

5. The bureaucratic and politically controlled public schools were catering to the lowest denominator among the students instead of providing a quality education and that is why they suck. The voucher system would allow parents to opt out of the shitty public schools and why anybody would be against that is totally incomprehensible.

 

[dblack]

[It is happening in Florida. How are teachers and parents liking it? Censorship is always a good thing.]

A series of new laws in Florida that bolster parental rights in education, call for curriculum transparency and say no one should be taught to feel guilt for actions in the past by those of the same race or sex, are stifling educators and creating problems in the classroom, according to some teachers and students.

"We have drawn a very clear line in the sand that says our school system is for educating kids, not indoctrinating kids," said Gov. Ron DeSantis in July at the Moms for Liberty conference in Tampa. He would repeat that refrain as he campaigned for conservative school board members across the state ahead of the Aug. 23 primary election.

But as buses rolled into Booker High School on a recent Friday morning, just over a week into the school year, senior Nora Mitchell took issue with the governor's words.

"We are not being indoctrinated," said Mitchell. "Students actually care about these issues. We just want the issues of our BIPOC community of our LGBTQ plus community, we want those issues to be illustrated in the classroom, and we want schools to be safe again."

Since the start of the year on Aug. 10, "the energy on campus has changed. Teachers are frustrated, they are stressed out, and understandably so," Mitchell said. "They can't teach to the fullest extent. Teachers who want to teach about all encompassing issues, talk about current events, they are prevented from doing so."

Sebastian Martinez, who graduated from Booker in 2021 and returned for a visit with teachers and friends on Friday, said "legislation like this definitely moves us backwards. It's socially regressive and dangerous to all students."

The law’s vague wording has created a lot of uncertainty, according to Gail Foreman, who teaches history at Booker High. Now, students that want to be called a different name or pronoun must ask a counselor and the principal, who must ask the parents, who can grant or deny permission.

"I have a lot of students that would use preferred names, and they can't use them until we get the paperwork done. So I'm using last names," said Foreman.

The changes are due to the new Parental Rights in Education law, sometimes called "Don't Say Gay." It says all parents must be notified of any change to their child's mental, physical or emotional well-being.

“My gay kids and my transgender kids seem awfully quiet this year. And it's worrying me, because one of them asked me yesterday, 'Miss Foreman, are we really safe on this campus? Are we going to start dealing with gay bashing, homophobia?' I said, 'No, you're safe in the building, we're going to provide safety for all of our students.' But in my heart, I don't know that that's true."

Sarasota district officials denied a reporter's request to visit a classroom. So Foreman and Jeremy Baldwin, who teaches government and economics at Booker High, agreed to meet early one morning before school started on a sidewalk outside the school.

"It's really frustrating being vocal about it out here, and then being in the classroom with the kids who need to get that acknowledgement and I have got to be sterile. I can't say anything to affirm them or support them," Baldwin said.

Last year, Baldwin was asked to remove a flag in his classroom that had rainbow colors and the word "co-exist." This year, he said the changes have been extensive.

"Everything that we teach in the classroom has to be documented. So from day one, I'm supposed to know what I'm going to do on the last day of school and be able to document every site I use, every text I use. And our classroom libraries are off the table, they're gone, because we have to have a media specialist -- who are not even employed in Sarasota — look at each and vet all of our materials and there's no one there to do it. So the books are basically all banned," said Baldwin

Some teaches have taken additional steps to keep students from accessing books in their classrooms, Foreman said.

"Some of us have covered our bookcases up with paper. I just told the kids it's off limits," she said. "I have tape up and they took it down yesterday. I went and got some police tape. So I'm going to put that up today."

(full article online)

'We are not being indoctrinated.' Students, teachers say Florida's new education laws stifle schools

The Stop Woke Act, Parental Rights in Education law, and new rules about curriculum transparency are changing school practices across the state.

wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu

tl;dr - but the gist seemed to be "they do it too!", which was my point. But do you get it now? Live by the sword, die by the sword. How 'bout we just bury the sword?

 

[Sixties Fan]

tl;dr - but the gist seemed to be "they do it too!", which was my point. But do you get it now? Live by the sword, die by the sword. How 'bout we just bury the sword?

You use beautiful words, phrases, which have nothing to do with the issue. There is no "They do it too", except in your mind.

So, let it be.

 

[Winco]

You Libtards never understand reality and are confused about liberty like this.

I sent my kids to a private school.

1. The cost per student was 31% of what the inefficient and bureaucrat public schools were spending.

2. That private school was traditionally in the top three in achievement test in the County. Usually the other two were also private schools.

3. We could afford to send our kids to the good private school without having a voucher. We could adsorb the cost of tuition and the filthy ass school tax.

4. Poorer families were denied the opportunity for a quality education because they did not have a voucher.

5. The bureaucratic and politically controlled public schools were catering to the lowest denominator among the students instead of providing a quality education and that is why they suck. The voucher system would allow parents to opt out of the shitty public schools and why anybody would be against that is totally incomprehensible.

You didn't address Staffing or Facility Space?

If one school get a huge influx of student due to vouchers, there will need to be additional staff. Where will these teachers come from, probably from the schools that are losing students because their enrollment will be down.
So your most likely gonna get the same teachers.

Where will 900 additional students be taught.
Build on to the existing school?
Put 45 in a classroom that once had 25, because there is no additional rooms?

 

[dblack]

You use beautiful words, phrases, which have nothing to do with the issue. There is no "They do it too", except in your mind.

So, let it be.

Dodgem!

Your position isn't clear. Maybe that's intentional.

And sorry about the words.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Dodgem!

Your position isn't clear. Maybe that's intentional.

And sorry about the words.

More of the same from you.

Just let it be.

 

[dblack]

More of the same from you.

Just let it be.

Things are pretty fucked up. I think we'd be foolish to "let it be".

But you seem pretty invested in evasion and trolling - and not at all interested in discussing the topic. So, you know, go fuck yourself.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Things are pretty fucked up. I think we'd be foolish to "let it be".

But you seem pretty invested in evasion and trolling - and not at all interested in discussing the topic. So, you know, go fuck yourself.

I discussed all that there was to discuss.

You are fucked. No one can help you that you insist in forcing answers.

The topic was Vouchers. I more than answered about it.

Shove it now !

 

[Lisa558]

What’s telling is that Democrats are always complaining that the rich always have an unfair advantage, and here there would be a system that would allow a bright but lower-income kid escape the Government indoctrination in the public schools, and the Democrats want to keep him locked into the government school.

Why not let bright kids from modest homes have the same advantages as kids with wealthy backgrounds?

 

[Winco]

What’s telling is that Democrats are always complaining that the rich always have an unfair advantage, and here there would be a system that would allow a bright but lower-income kid escape the Government indoctrination in the public schools, and the Democrats want to keep him locked into the government school.

Why not let bright kids from modest homes have the same advantages as kids with wealthy backgrounds?

You still won't answer the question about facilities once 100's of new students use there voucher.

What's your solution?

 

[Flash]

You didn't address Staffing or Facility Space?

If one school get a huge influx of student due to vouchers, there will need to be additional staff. Where will these teachers come from, probably from the schools that are losing students because their enrollment will be down.
So your most likely gonna get the same teachers.

Where will 900 additional students be taught.
Build on to the existing school?
Put 45 in a classroom that once had 25, because there is no additional rooms?

You stupid Libtards are hell bent to institutionalize poverty and low exceptions. That keeps the Negros and other poors down on the welfare plantation and the Democrats in power.

You hate the idea of individual choice and the poors being able to climb out of the poverty you burden them with.

Having access to quality education through a voucher system is like the devil to you turkeys.

A private school will not be be burdened with the bureaucracy of the inefficient public schools. They can hire good teachers and fire bad teachers that don't perform. The can kick out students that can't make the grade or are a disturbance. They can focus on real education and not woke bullshit.

Reminds me a couple of decades ago when my youngest son was attending the private school. They were learning about post war American history. They spent several weeks studying post war history and learned about the Cold War, Korea, Vietnam and the dominance of the US in world politics. My son had several quizzes, a test and had to do a paper.

Meanwhile his neighborhood friend was going to a public school and also taking a course in American History. They spent two days in class in class discussing the Cold War. According to him there was no test. However, they spent four weeks studying the goddamn Civil Rights movement with all kinds of stupid woke projects required. Think that was to kiss the ass of the Negroes? That is the kind of worthless crap you get in a public school.

My son has a much better grasp of American history than his friend. Not having a voucher system contributed to his friend graduating from High School and not really understanding American History.

Also, my son has much better grasp of math than his friend. The private school my son attended required competency in math before advancing to the next grade. The public school catered to the lowest denominator and didn't give a shit if you learned anything or not, you would still be advanced and graduate. Can you imagine the shit that the Negroes would raise if little Lalisha
actually was required to do grade level math before going on the next grade?

Public schools suck and the voucher system is a great way to break the monopoly the public schools have on education and get Lalisha a quality education so she doesn't have to be on welfare her entire life.

How come you Libtards want to punish poor kids with a bad public education system? What is the matter with you?

 

[Winco]

You stupid Libtards are hell bent to institutionalize poverty and low exceptions. That keeps the Negros and other poors down on the welfare plantation and the Democrats in power.

You hate the idea of individual choice and the poors being able to climb out of the poverty you burden them with.

Having access to quality education through a voucher system is like the devil to you turkeys.

A private school will not be be burdened with the bureaucracy of the inefficient public schools. They can hire good teachers and fire bad teachers that don't perform. The can kick out students that can't make the grade or are a disturbance. They can focus on real education and not woke bullshit.

Reminds me a couple of decades ago when my youngest son was attending the private school. They were learning about post war American history. They spent several weeks studying post war history and learned about the Cold War, Korea, Vietnam and the dominance of the US in world politics. My son had several quizzes, a test and had to do a paper.

Meanwhile his neighborhood friend was going to a public school and also taking a course in American History. They spent two days in class in class discussing the Cold War. According to him there was no test. However, they spent four weeks studying the goddamn Civil Rights movement with all kinds of stupid woke projects required. Think that was to kiss the ass of the Negroes? That is the kind of worthless crap you get in a public school.

My son has a much better grasp of American history than his friend. Not having a voucher system contributed to his friend graduating from High School and not really understanding American History.

Also, my son has much better grasp of math than his friend. The private school my son attended required competency in math before advancing to the next grade. The public school catered to the lowest denominator and didn't give a shit if you learned anything or not, you would still be advanced and graduate. Can you imagine the shit that the Negroes would raise if little Lalisha
actually was required to do grade level math before going on the next grade?

Public schools suck and the voucher system is a great way to break the monopoly the public schools have on education and get Lalisha a quality education so she doesn't have to be on welfare her entire life.

How come you Libtards want to punish poor kids with a bad public education system? What is the matter with you?

You STILL refuse to discuss the logistics.
Where will all these voucher using students be housed?

 

[Unkotare]

Sounds good in theory, but there would be a whole LOTTA details to work out before it would actually be better for poor kids (and the rich kids too).