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[IM2]

The problem with that is you give black people no latitude in what politics they support. It is no different than those who label liberal Jews as self-hating Jews because they don’t support Israel’s policies. Blacks may support “MAGA” because they find the alternative unpalatable, or they live in an economically depressed area with no jobs that has seen no improvement over past administrations, or they feel tbe Dems are soft on border control, or crime, non of which have to do with White Supremacy. Should they be single issue voters? From my perspective, I have some issues that are hardened and others I can give on if I gain something else in who I vote for.

No Coyote, I'm fine with real black conservatives. There is a difference between real black conservatives and to so called black conservatives these guys brag about and support. A true black conservative opposes racism based on the fact that laws and policies imposed upon people due to that racism are examples of government overreach. Michael Steele is a black conservative I respect. But the MAGA blacks are not. And Coyotre, this is not about giving no political latitude to blacks, it is about making certain that we do not go backwards and any black person who is supporting anti black ideology must be dismissed.

Actually to believe democrats are soft on border patrol or crimr has a lot to do with white supremacy.To live in a depressed area created by government policy and to have watched whites from both parties not listen is no reason to support anti black policies that return us back to a time we do not want to see again. Things are different for blacks and whites. Currently there is one party that is actively working to suppress black votes, censor anything relsted to black history, end equal opportunity policies(DEI) cut or reduce black representation in legislatures, have made laws where state government can remove elected officials and are doing so in majority black cities run by black elected officials and other things. To be black and supportc a party doing this is stupid and there should never be any latitude given to people working for our destruction.

 

[IM2]

And Coyote, what does IQ have to do with this subject? I get tired of these people trolling my threads with off topic crap. If Hector and Lisa want to discuss their racist ideas about intelligence why can't they start their own thread on the subject?

 

[Coyote]

I do not know what you mean by eugenics.

Eugenics:

1. the study of how to arrange reproduction within a human population to increase the occurrence of heritable characteristics regarded as desirable. Developed largely by Sir Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, eugenics was increasingly discredited as unscientific and racially biased during the 20th century, especially after the adoption of its doctrines by the Nazis in order to justify their treatment of Jews, disabled people, and other minority groups.

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“ Eugenics used to be a respectable persuasion in the United States. The Nazi effort to exterminate the most superior race in existence led to the belief that there are no races with low average IQ's.

We need some form of eugenics because people with low IQ's have more children who survive and reproduce than people with high IQ's. While this is happening, computer technology and automation are eliminating the jobs that people with below average intelligence are able to learn.”


If one race is designated as “superior” then by definition, there must be at least one that is considered “inferior”, and according to Hector, it is genetic intelligence.

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“Few blacks are capable of emulating Jews for genetic reasons.”

And I don’t hear him saying that some races are inferior.

He flatters you or appeals to your own beliefs in some way, so you aren’t hearing the language through which he speaks.

If one race is designated as “superior” then by definition, there must be at least one that is considered “inferior”, and according to Hector, it is genetic intelligence.

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“Few blacks are capable of emulating Jews for genetic reasons.”

IQ is but one measure. There are other measures that show these same races that score lower in IQ, again on average, are superior. Blacks, for example, and again on average, are athletically superior.

Except IQ is the one measure that western civilization uses to put humanity above all other animals AND it is the main measure racists (or as Hector calls them ”Race Realists”) use to justify eugenics, enslavement, or reduced rights. And yet we cannot even adequately define it or consistently measure it. Are you are willing to relegate an entire race of people to a lower IQ status?

And in athletics…just like intelligence, we have another canard. Within any “race” you have a ton of different ethnicities and body types. It is those subgroups that may have a greater number of individuals that are likely to excel at a particular sport.

An interesting read:

As March Madness rolls on, so will the myths of Black athletic superiority

Black sports stars have collectively achieved what they have because society presents them with few other options

www.theguardian.com

Many studies have been conducted on the topic, including University of Georgia professor Daniel Buffington’s, which found that observers of basketball are likely to recognize a Black player’s strength, speed and athleticism before other traits such as leadership and IQ. From LeBron James to Lamar Jackson to Serena Williams, Black athletes are lauded for their perceived natural physical abilities far more than their intellect and diligence – a recurring theme in the perception of the Black body. Elite Black athletes are “freaks of nature” and “athletic specimens,” rather than the products of years and years of blood, sweat and tears put into their respective crafts.

And remember Newsvine? She argued that blacks are genetidally superior to whites because their genes are dominant and white genes are recessive. (I have no idea if that’s true.) Did you question her claim that blacks are superior?

I don’t recall it, was I even participating? Link?

 

[Hector12]

They aren't. If they were, George H. Bush would have been the last Republican President.

It really doesn't matter if Biden has done a good job or not (I feel he has), it's how people actually feel, and right now, they feel pretty shitty about the state of the country. Inflation is too high, and people are anxious. The country simply hasn't gotten over the post-covid shocks yet.

The reason why Trump won and maintains such a loyal following is that people are sick of Washington - both parties - and they are happy to see someone who will burn it down.

This shirt and this poster capture much of the support for Trump.

 

[Hector12]

Yes, we have too many racists in this country. The good news is you are all fucking dying off and the young people will all be slightly embarrassed by you.

I am confident that as more is learned about genetics, and as blacks continue to disappoint optimistic assessments of their average abilities and proclivities, my side of the dispute will prevail, as did Galileo's.

The truth cannot be suppressed forever.

 

[Hector12]

Many studies have been conducted on the topic, including University of Georgia professor Daniel Buffington’s, which found that observers of basketball are likely to recognize a Black player’s strength, speed and athleticism before other traits such as leadership and IQ. From LeBron James to Lamar Jackson to Serena Williams, Black athletes are lauded for their perceived natural physical abilities far more than their intellect and diligence – a recurring theme in the perception of the Black body. Elite Black athletes are “freaks of nature” and “athletic specimens,” rather than the products of years and years of blood, sweat and tears put into their respective crafts.

I am not a basketball fan, but when I watch basketball on television at a bar the white players make it look difficult, even painful. I think, "Isn't that inspiring? Think of all the training he goes through, day after day, hour after hour. But it pays off, doesn't it?"

When I watch a black basketball player I think, "That looks pretty easy. Maybe I should get a job doing that too." Then I remember how difficult basketball was for me in high school gym class.

Black basketball players like to jump above the basket and push the ball down into the basket. I have never seen a white basketball player do that.

 

[JoeB131]

I am confident that as more is learned about genetics, and as blacks continue to disappoint optimistic assessments of their average abilities and proclivities, my side of the dispute will prevail, as did Galileo's.

The truth cannot be suppressed forever.

Yeah, here's the problem you have, guy.

Black people aren't going to go wake up one day and say, "Yup, you proved it to us! We are genetically inferior. We will wait around for you to tell us what's good for us!"

Ain't gonna happen.

And sadly, if anything, it's white people who are on their way out. We are in a demographic death cycle- not enough new births to replace deaths...

So when people of color are inevitably in the majority, you think it might be a good idea to NOT antagonize them further by being a racist douchenoodle?

I mean, I'll probably be dead by then, but I'd like to see our race problems get better for the benefit of my nieces and nephews, who will have to live in the world we've created.

I am not a basketball fan, but when I watch basketball on television at a bar the white players make it look difficult, even painful. I think, "Isn't that inspiring? Think of all the training he goes through, day after day, hour after hour. But it pays off, doesn't it?"

When I watch a black basketball player I think, "That looks pretty easy. Maybe I should get a job doing that too." Then I remember how difficult basketball was for me in high school gym class.

Black basketball players like to jump above the basket and push the ball down into the basket. I have never seen a white basketball player do that.

Hector, I think I found an AVI for you.

The difference is we all knew he was a clown.

 

[Hector12]

That makes no mention of IQ or measuring intelligence.

The result of tests measuring learning correlate with IQ tests.

 

[Hector12]

Yeah, here's the problem you have, guy.

Black people aren't going to go wake up one day and say, "Yup, you proved it to us! We are genetically inferior. We will wait around for you to tell us what's good for us!"

Ain't gonna happen.

And sadly, if anything, it's white people who are on their way out. We are in a demographic death cycle- not enough new births to replace deaths...

Light skin does not cause intelligence. It correlates with intelligence because cold climates select genetically for light skin and intelligence. Of course, I am including Orientals as a light skinned race.

If light skinned people are replaced demographically with darker skinned people that will cause the average human IQ to decline. That in turn will slow if not stop the advance of science and technology.

Once I read of a dark skinned Nigerian immigrant in England who tested 162 on an IQ test. That gives him two more points than Bill Gates. That does happen, but it happens so rarely as to be statistically insignificant.

 

[Hector12]

Eugenics:

1. the study of how to arrange reproduction within a human population to increase the occurrence of heritable characteristics regarded as desirable. Developed largely by Sir Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, eugenics was increasingly discredited as unscientific and racially biased during the 20th century, especially after the adoption of its doctrines by the Nazis in order to justify their treatment of Jews, disabled people, and other minority groups.

That is known as the guilt by association fallacy, and also the appeal to emotion fallacy. The Nazis also believed that 9 x 9 = 81, rather than 18. That does not mean that the multiplication table is invalid.

I have already quoted two passages from Mein Kampf in which Hitler expresses the belief that Jews are intelligent. Hatred of Jews is motivated by resentment of the fact that most Jews are intelligent, successful, and prosperous. I have never in my life encountered the belief that the Jews are of inferior intelligence.

 

[Coyote]

That is known as the guilt by association fallacy, and also the appeal to emotion fallacy. The Nazis also believed that 9 x 9 = 81, rather than 18. That does not mean that the multiplication table is invalid.

There is no fallacy when you are advocating the same ideology of racial superiority as the author of Mein Kampf….a book you seem familiar enough to quote from several times here.

I have already quoted two passages from Mein Kampf in which Hitler expresses the belief that Jews are intelligent. Hatred of Jews is motivated by resentment of the fact that most Jews are intelligent, successful, and prosperous. I have never in my life encountered the belief that the Jews are of inferior intelligence.

Yes. I know you’ve quoted it. So what? Hitler also slaughtered Poles, Slavs, Gays, Jehovah’s Witnesses and the disabled.

Getting back to Black MAGA’s….anything to say there?

Why do some Black’s support Trump?

One answer might be found here:

The Black People Who Voted for Trump Know He’s Racist

Trump’s nonwhite support suggests a gulf between how the “woke” left processes racism and how many people in the real world do.

www.theatlantic.com

Trump’s nonwhite support suggests a gulf between how the “woke” left processes racism and how many people in the real world do. The former assumes that racism is a wedge issue, and the most cardinal of human sins; the latter are far less doctrinaire.

…Black people today may hear Trump claim, bizarrely, that he has done more for African Americans than any previous president, read about the segregationist practices of his and his father’s real-estate properties back in the day, and note that Trump is especially given to calling Black public figures “unintelligent”—and yet still decide that his agenda otherwise appeals enough that they will vote for him even if he wouldn’t quite respect them as individuals. A Latino person can know that Trump referred to immigrants from Mexico as “rapists” but still feel that Trump’s jobs record is more important than his racist sentiments. Unfond memories of life under leftist or socialist leaders such as Fidel Castro may, as it were, trump Trump’s racism in their eyes. After all, before the pandemic, the economy really was humming along in a way that materially affected American lives for the better.


Interesting article too.

 

[Hector12]

There is no fallacy when you are advocating the same ideology of racial superiority as the author of Mein Kampf….a book you seem familiar enough to quote from several times here.

It should be obvious that some races produce more advanced civilizations than others, and that within multi racial countries some races, collectively speaking, behave and perform better than others.

I read a political thinker for insight, rather than doctrine. Mein Kampf is one of the many books I have read.

 

[Hector12]

…Black people today may hear Trump claim, bizarrely, that he has done more for African Americans than any previous president, read about the segregationist practices of his and his father’s real-estate properties back in the day, and note that Trump is especially given to calling Black public figures “unintelligent”—and yet still decide that his agenda otherwise appeals enough that they will vote for him even if he wouldn’t quite respect them as individuals. A Latino person can know that Trump referred to immigrants from Mexico as “rapists” but still feel that Trump’s jobs record is more important than his racist sentiments. Unfond memories of life under leftist or socialist leaders such as Fidel Castro may, as it were, trump Trump’s racism in their eyes. After all, before the pandemic, the economy really was humming along in a way that materially affected American lives for the better.

If you have read many of my posts here you know that I hate Trump and disapprove of his policies.

 

[Hector12]

Again, put the black kids in the white schools and the white kids in the black schools, you'd be amazed how quick we fix education in this country.

Then why was forced school busing so unpopular?

 

[Markle]

Then why was forced school busing so unpopular?

You're right it was a dismal failure. Folks of all races, want their kids to go to neighborhood schools.

 

[JoeB131]

Light skin does not cause intelligence. It correlates with intelligence because cold climates select genetically for light skin and intelligence. Of course, I am including Orientals as a light skinned race.

That's mighty white of you.

(My Chinese girlfriend often comments on how pale I am, so I think this is funny.)

If light skinned people are replaced demographically with darker skinned people that will cause the average human IQ to decline. That in turn will slow if not stop the advance of science and technology.

The problem here is that you confuse privilege with merit. White people have an advantage because they retain their advantage through racism, not because they have merit. If intelligence were truly inheritable, you'd have multiple generations of geniuses. You really don't. An exceptional parent will usually produce a mediocre child living on privilege.

White people got the privilege by pretty much looting and enslaving the rest of the world. People of color are only now starting to catch up.... the Asians just got there first.

Once I read of a dark skinned Nigerian immigrant in England who tested 162 on an IQ test. That gives him two more points than Bill Gates. That does happen, but it happens so rarely as to be statistically insignificant.

Um, most white people aren't all that bright either. How do you think Trump got elected? And after he killed a million people and lost 30 million jobs, some of those same stupid white people want to vote for him again.

Then why was forced school busing so unpopular?

Because white people generally are kind of awful. They know they've consigned the black kids to the inferior schools, but even after Brown ended the "Separate but equal" farce, they certainly didn't want their precious little Timmy to have to go to school with them.

 

[Coyote]

If you have read many of my posts here you know that I hate Trump and disapprove of his policies.

So what about Black Trump supporters? Are the y a “clear and present danger”?

 

[Coyote]

It should be obvious that some races produce more advanced civilizations than others, and that within multi racial countries some races, collectively speaking, behave and perform better than others.

I read a political thinker for insight, rather than doctrine. Mein Kampf is one of the many books I have read.

If you want a political thinker, you should read Machiavelli.

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

That's not the definition of racism so don't try creating a new one.. Blacks who support racist ideologies meant to reduce our freedoms are fools. Saying that is not racist.

“Your thoughts are dictated by your race” is a fundamentally racist idea.

No rational person respects your woke, fake “definitions.” That’s the “new one” you’re “trying.”

 

[Hector12]

No Child Left Behind was nothing but empty rhetoric by Dubya Bush, a man too stupid to swallow a pretzel.

Head state, as pointed out, is woefully underfunded, and you have to be so desperately poor to qualify for it that it becomes largely meaningless.

Claiming that No Child Left Behind and Head Start were not funded well enough to have an effect is like a Republican claiming that the reason tax cuts for the Rich did not balance the budget is that taxes were not deeply enough for the rich.

One can always explain why this or that program to bring Negroes up to whites standards did not work. What one cannot do is to point to a single program that has worked.