Blacks' Abundance In Pro Sports: Affirmative Action ?

[Yarddog]

It seems to be very common to see NFL football fields and NBA courts with more blacks than all other races combined. There also has been a majority of blacks in professional boxing for many years. How does this come to be ? Since it is common for lesser qualified blacks to be hired to many types of jobs in industry generally, one might wonder if this isn't also the case with pro sports.

Are better talented, faster, stronger whites being denied opportunities, based on race ? How about Hispanics and Asians ? When is the last time you saw a Chinese, Japanese, or Korean guy on an NFL football field ? How about guys from India on a basketball court ? There are so few Asians in the most popular American sports that it's practically impossible to rate their performances.

This is not the case with Whites, however. In the top 4 pro US sports > baseball, football, basketball, and boxing, whites have proven to be as good or often better than blacks, yet still have smaller numbers there. This is despite the fact that blacks are only 13% of the US population, as compared to whites at 76%. Could affirmative action be at work here, putting blacks ahead of better qualified whites, et al races ?

They draft the players they think they can win with. Thats it.

 

[IM2]

They reside in his imagination. Just like 'hindreds of millions of white people in America who have been wronged by Affirmative Action.

So you say hundreds of millions of whites HAVE NOT been wronged by Affirmative Action? Man, you're really getting stupid now. There would have to have been no AA in existence, over the past 50 years, for that to be true.

Your posts are getting dumber and dumber.

He is right.

 

[IM2]

You have not not named one black boxer who was in prime, who in the last 50 years, lost to a white fighter in the ring

Actually, I named quite a few when I named the boxers who lost to Marciano. (including JJ Walcott -WHO WAS THE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD, you idiot). Are you going to try and say that a boxer who holds the TITLE, is not in his prime ? LOL

Dude, I cant be debating idiots. Please go away. You're not good enough for this thread. I mean really.

Just for the record, here's Joe Calzaghe beating Jeff Lacy, who was the undefeated IBF champion, before he got beat by the now still undefeated Calzaghe. After the fight, Lacy looked like his face had gotten run over by a tank. Calzaghe looked like he was ready to go out on a date.

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Here, have some fun with this >>

He beat up a lot of white guys as well. In fact he beat up everything put in front of him.

Joe is a real gentleman and a Welsh Legend. He would be ashamed to be used in some sort of racist rant by the likes of you.

I like Calzaghe. Maggots like no protection makes you root against good decent men and women.

 

[ptbw forever]

It seems to be very common to see NFL football fields and NBA courts with more blacks than all other races combined. There also has been a majority of blacks in professional boxing for many years. How does this come to be ? Since it is common for lesser qualified blacks to be hired to many types of jobs in industry generally, one might wonder if this isn't also the case with pro sports.

Because sports is relatively objective

You either have it or you don't - PERIOD.

You either can run the 100m in under 10 seconds or you can't
You either can hit a three pointer consistently or you can't

But in the workplace : Will this person “fit in” with the company ? Do they have “enough” experience? All of these evaluations are judgment calls and if your black you'll generally be on the wrong side of that judgement call, if your white you'll be the right side.

I mean I'm pretty sure you know the well known data that a white man with a felony will be asked for job call back than a black man without one.

I'M PRETTY SURE YOU KNOW THIS

Not to mention, whites have always been willing to let black people entertain them, even at the height of racism. You still had your Muhammad Ali and Jim Brown and even you won't see a significant number of black people at any NBA game.

Are better talented, faster, stronger whites being denied opportunities, based on race ?

• Every player who has ever won an NHL scoring title is white.
• Every Olympic weightlifting record is held by a caucasian.
• All championship speed skaters are white.
• Every major league pitcher who has ever won 300 games is white.
• Almost all Olympic champions rowers and kayakers are white,

How about Hispanics and Asians ? When is the last time you saw a Chinese, Japanese, or Korean guy on an NFL football field ? How about guys from India on a basketball court ? There are so few Asians in the most popular American sports that it's practically impossible to rate their performances.

Yeah sure you’ll find 75% of African Americans in the NBA but you won’t find many West Africans, who are certainly “blacker” and according to the theory, athleticism and blackness somehow run together.

Well in that case you'd expect West Africans to dominate the NBA and African teams to dominate international basketball competitions. Apart USA black basketball teams are countries representing black nations are very average

There are actually very good reasons why track and field and boxing events are dominated the way they are; because that's who trains and competes in them. Boxing is generally for people who have limited opportunities. Racism limits your opportunities.

And yes Africans have been ahead of the rest of the world in long distance training methods for thirty years; it's no surprise they dominate the competitions.

Fact is people from a geographic region of Africa are the world's champion sprinters and a different group of people from a geographic region of Africa are the world's champion marathon runners and both are alleged to be part of some specific "race" you have just argued against sprinting or distance running as being a "racial" characteristic. Since the 2 groups you tried to put into one "race" have contradictory abilities.

Black people are well aware that system is against us. So that kinds steels an inner toughness within black people. Some one once said "It's not really a sport with black people" that's why when blk people come into sports, when it's an even playing field. We dominate. Not so much because that natural athletic ability stuff. More that the system of racism makes black men know they have to try harder.

This is Simone Maneul.

She is the fastest swimmer in the she's the current world and Olympic champion in 100m freestyle

Despite the fact that participation rates in swimming for black people are very low. When she received the gold medal the BBC showed it live while NBC showed a tape of Russian gymnasts.

White people just need to stay out of our way and watch more and more of us break your little records and set our own. Simone Biles crushed the white competition in a sport that is usually dominated by Eastern Europeans and the Chinese.

You wouldn't even hear of Micheal Phelps if black ppl took swimming seriously but "if it don't pay, we don't play" so black people generally don't go for minority sports like swimming.

Black people can do fine in any pursuit once even a single rusty hole appears in the steel obstacles put in our way.

Michael Phelps is far beyond any swimmer that will ever live dipshit. Michael Phelps is the reason why the best black male swimmers are literally nobodies and why nobody cares about the males of other races who haven’t retired either.

Michael Phelps will be considered the best swimmer ever 1000 years from now because swimming olympic records and world records in multiple races literally minutes apart is impossible to do for anyone but people with Michael Phelps’ condition.

 

[ptbw forever]

I thought it was worse than THAT.

It is.

That was in 2013.

 

[ptbw forever]

Totally relevant. The topic was that the OP implied that blacks are overrepresented in professional sports.

I stated very clearly that an inordinate number of blacks work for a very small number of white owners who collectively ewrn more money than all of the players combined.

If those same owners could make even more money by fielding a more integrated work force or even a predominately white work force they would do so.

There is no affirmative action conspiracy against anyone in professional sports. It is based soley on ability.

1. I never imply, insinuate, or infer anything, ever.

2. My conclusion in the OP was that because of the disproportionate number of blacks in some pro sports (ex. the NFL), to their % of the population, and the fact that the better players seem to be white, that therefore there might be affirmative action at work here, or at least there is some justification to have that question be asked. Got it now ?

3. There is no evidence that what you said about white owners is true. They may have other motives besides just making money.

4. You have shown no evidence whatsoever for your claim that >> "There is no affirmative action conspiracy against anyone in professional sports. It is based soley on ability." If you show evidence that there is no AA going on in these sports, I will examine that evidence, and conclude on it fairly, but thus far, you have not shown a shred of evidence, but merely have stated your unsubstantiated opinion.

Affirmative action in football and basketball starts in middle and high school and ends in college(when they push out the white guys from more rural high schools).

By the time college teams are formed all of the white guys in athletic positions have been pushed out. Pro Basketball hardly has any white American draft picks to choose from, and pro football has zero white defensive players or runningbacks.

 

[gulfman]

Why can't the leagues lower the standards so more whites can play?

 

[ptbw forever]

It seems absurd to state that the NFL favours black players when they have punished Kapernik so much. Perhaps the OP could provide some names of players who are suffering from this supposed AA ?

That one very outspoken player got punished, does not disprove the unequal outcome.


By liberals standards, unequal outcome is proof of discrimination.


That you deny that, by lib standards, is proof you are a racist. And stupid. And evul.

This is not a "lib issue" or a "racial issue". You and the idiot OP are the ones who are race baiting and repeating yourselves and sounding absurd.

If there was actually anti white discrimination in the NFL, white people would not be turning out by the thousands to attend games, every year, and the highest paid players would not be white.

White players who did not make it and were good enough to make it would speak up as well.

In fact, your god, Trump tried to buy an NFL team once, and was rejected.

White people turn out to support all black teams for the same reason they vote for political parties that explicitly state that they will do nothing for them or even disenfranchise them, we have been robbed of our culture, our pride and our collective identity.

 

[WinterBorn]

It seems to be very common to see NFL football fields and NBA courts with more blacks than all other races combined. There also has been a majority of blacks in professional boxing for many years. How does this come to be ? Since it is common for lesser qualified blacks to be hired to many types of jobs in industry generally, one might wonder if this isn't also the case with pro sports.

Because sports is relatively objective

You either have it or you don't - PERIOD.

You either can run the 100m in under 10 seconds or you can't
You either can hit a three pointer consistently or you can't

But in the workplace : Will this person “fit in” with the company ? Do they have “enough” experience? All of these evaluations are judgment calls and if your black you'll generally be on the wrong side of that judgement call, if your white you'll be the right side.

I mean I'm pretty sure you know the well known data that a white man with a felony will be asked for job call back than a black man without one.

I'M PRETTY SURE YOU KNOW THIS

Not to mention, whites have always been willing to let black people entertain them, even at the height of racism. You still had your Muhammad Ali and Jim Brown and even you won't see a significant number of black people at any NBA game.

Are better talented, faster, stronger whites being denied opportunities, based on race ?

• Every player who has ever won an NHL scoring title is white.
• Every Olympic weightlifting record is held by a caucasian.
• All championship speed skaters are white.
• Every major league pitcher who has ever won 300 games is white.
• Almost all Olympic champions rowers and kayakers are white,

How about Hispanics and Asians ? When is the last time you saw a Chinese, Japanese, or Korean guy on an NFL football field ? How about guys from India on a basketball court ? There are so few Asians in the most popular American sports that it's practically impossible to rate their performances.

Yeah sure you’ll find 75% of African Americans in the NBA but you won’t find many West Africans, who are certainly “blacker” and according to the theory, athleticism and blackness somehow run together.

Well in that case you'd expect West Africans to dominate the NBA and African teams to dominate international basketball competitions. Apart USA black basketball teams are countries representing black nations are very average

There are actually very good reasons why track and field and boxing events are dominated the way they are; because that's who trains and competes in them. Boxing is generally for people who have limited opportunities. Racism limits your opportunities.

And yes Africans have been ahead of the rest of the world in long distance training methods for thirty years; it's no surprise they dominate the competitions.

Fact is people from a geographic region of Africa are the world's champion sprinters and a different group of people from a geographic region of Africa are the world's champion marathon runners and both are alleged to be part of some specific "race" you have just argued against sprinting or distance running as being a "racial" characteristic. Since the 2 groups you tried to put into one "race" have contradictory abilities.

Black people are well aware that system is against us. So that kinds steels an inner toughness within black people. Some one once said "It's not really a sport with black people" that's why when blk people come into sports, when it's an even playing field. We dominate. Not so much because that natural athletic ability stuff. More that the system of racism makes black men know they have to try harder.

This is Simone Maneul.

She is the fastest swimmer in the she's the current world and Olympic champion in 100m freestyle

Despite the fact that participation rates in swimming for black people are very low. When she received the gold medal the BBC showed it live while NBC showed a tape of Russian gymnasts.

White people just need to stay out of our way and watch more and more of us break your little records and set our own. Simone Biles crushed the white competition in a sport that is usually dominated by Eastern Europeans and the Chinese.

You wouldn't even hear of Micheal Phelps if black ppl took swimming seriously but "if it don't pay, we don't play" so black people generally don't go for minority sports like swimming.

Black people can do fine in any pursuit once even a single rusty hole appears in the steel obstacles put in our way.

Michael Phelps is far beyond any swimmer that will ever live dipshit. Michael Phelps is the reason why the best black male swimmers are literally nobodies and why nobody cares about the males of other races who haven’t retired either.

Michael Phelps will be considered the best swimmer ever 1000 years from now because swimming olympic records and world records in multiple races literally minutes apart is impossible to do for anyone but people with Michael Phelps’ condition.

The same was said about Mark Spitz in 1972. Winning 7 gold medals in a single Olympics was unheard of, especially in swimming. Between 1968 and 1972, Spitz won 9 gold medals a silver and a bronze. He set 35 world records. It was said back then that he would be remembered as the greatest swimmer in history. Every record he broke has since been broken. Some multiple times.

 

[ptbw forever]

You showed exactly 1 player who played on 6 super bowl winning teams. 76 out 101 of the top players in the NFL are black. Of the 3 you showed only 1 was on that list.

AA did not make Shaquem Griffin, a young brother from Central Florida who played linebacker, bench 225 pounds 20 times with one hand and no white player in his position could do as many.. You started this and got shut down. So show us the AA clause in an NFL contract or shut the hell up.

Because you have no point.

I didn't say I had a point, dum dum. Can you read ? Try the title of the thread. Notice that it's a QUESTION ? (as is the post you quoted)

And NO, I did not show "exactly 1 player who played on 6 super bowl winning teams" I showed a whole bunch of them, who played on 6 Super Bowl winning teams. And don't be surprised if the number 6 becomes 10 in a few years.

Let’s not forget when the NCAA college basketball championship was between very white Wisconsin and mostly black Duke and Wisconsin was killing them until the only good white player on Duke’s team lead the black players to victory.

 

[WinterBorn]

Totally relevant. The topic was that the OP implied that blacks are overrepresented in professional sports.

I stated very clearly that an inordinate number of blacks work for a very small number of white owners who collectively ewrn more money than all of the players combined.

If those same owners could make even more money by fielding a more integrated work force or even a predominately white work force they would do so.

There is no affirmative action conspiracy against anyone in professional sports. It is based soley on ability.

1. I never imply, insinuate, or infer anything, ever.

2. My conclusion in the OP was that because of the disproportionate number of blacks in some pro sports (ex. the NFL), to their % of the population, and the fact that the better players seem to be white, that therefore there might be affirmative action at work here, or at least there is some justification to have that question be asked. Got it now ?

3. There is no evidence that what you said about white owners is true. They may have other motives besides just making money.

4. You have shown no evidence whatsoever for your claim that >> "There is no affirmative action conspiracy against anyone in professional sports. It is based soley on ability." If you show evidence that there is no AA going on in these sports, I will examine that evidence, and conclude on it fairly, but thus far, you have not shown a shred of evidence, but merely have stated your unsubstantiated opinion.

Affirmative action in football and basketball starts in middle and high school and ends in college(when they push out the white guys from more rural high schools).

By the time college teams are formed all of the white guys in athletic positions have been pushed out. Pro Basketball hardly has any white American draft picks to choose from, and pro football has zero white defensive players or runningbacks.

So you are saying that coaches force white kids out so they can play black kids? When the white kids are better? THat is absolutely insane.

As for zero white running backs, Christian McCaffrey might be surprised to hear that. He has been playying running back for the Carolina Panthers for 2 years now.

JJ Watt, Joey Bosa, and Luke Kuechly might be surprised to hear that they don't exist as well. In fact, lots of people would be surprised that there are zero white defensive players in the NFL. Considering that JJ Watt has won the AP NFL Defensive Player of the Year 3 of his 5 years in the league. The AP also named Luke Kuechly the Defensive Rookie of the Year in 2012. And he became the youngest player to win the AP NFL Defensive Player of the Year. In fact, in the 7 years since JJ Watt won his first defensive player of the year award, it has been awarded to a white guy 4 times and a black guy 3 times.

Maybe if you knew anything about NFL football, you would know these facts.

 

[WinterBorn]

It seems absurd to state that the NFL favours black players when they have punished Kapernik so much. Perhaps the OP could provide some names of players who are suffering from this supposed AA ?

That one very outspoken player got punished, does not disprove the unequal outcome.


By liberals standards, unequal outcome is proof of discrimination.


That you deny that, by lib standards, is proof you are a racist. And stupid. And evul.

This is not a "lib issue" or a "racial issue". You and the idiot OP are the ones who are race baiting and repeating yourselves and sounding absurd.

If there was actually anti white discrimination in the NFL, white people would not be turning out by the thousands to attend games, every year, and the highest paid players would not be white.

White players who did not make it and were good enough to make it would speak up as well.

In fact, your god, Trump tried to buy an NFL team once, and was rejected.

White people turn out to support all black teams for the same reason they vote for political parties that explicitly state that they will do nothing for them or even disenfranchise them, we have been robbed of our culture, our pride and our collective identity.

I still have my pride and my culture. Not sure what happened to yours.

 

[ptbw forever]

It seems to be very common to see NFL football fields and NBA courts with more blacks than all other races combined. There also has been a majority of blacks in professional boxing for many years. How does this come to be ? Since it is common for lesser qualified blacks to be hired to many types of jobs in industry generally, one might wonder if this isn't also the case with pro sports.

Because sports is relatively objective

You either have it or you don't - PERIOD.

You either can run the 100m in under 10 seconds or you can't
You either can hit a three pointer consistently or you can't

But in the workplace : Will this person “fit in” with the company ? Do they have “enough” experience? All of these evaluations are judgment calls and if your black you'll generally be on the wrong side of that judgement call, if your white you'll be the right side.

I mean I'm pretty sure you know the well known data that a white man with a felony will be asked for job call back than a black man without one.

I'M PRETTY SURE YOU KNOW THIS

Not to mention, whites have always been willing to let black people entertain them, even at the height of racism. You still had your Muhammad Ali and Jim Brown and even you won't see a significant number of black people at any NBA game.

Are better talented, faster, stronger whites being denied opportunities, based on race ?

• Every player who has ever won an NHL scoring title is white.
• Every Olympic weightlifting record is held by a caucasian.
• All championship speed skaters are white.
• Every major league pitcher who has ever won 300 games is white.
• Almost all Olympic champions rowers and kayakers are white,

How about Hispanics and Asians ? When is the last time you saw a Chinese, Japanese, or Korean guy on an NFL football field ? How about guys from India on a basketball court ? There are so few Asians in the most popular American sports that it's practically impossible to rate their performances.

Yeah sure you’ll find 75% of African Americans in the NBA but you won’t find many West Africans, who are certainly “blacker” and according to the theory, athleticism and blackness somehow run together.

Well in that case you'd expect West Africans to dominate the NBA and African teams to dominate international basketball competitions. Apart USA black basketball teams are countries representing black nations are very average

There are actually very good reasons why track and field and boxing events are dominated the way they are; because that's who trains and competes in them. Boxing is generally for people who have limited opportunities. Racism limits your opportunities.

And yes Africans have been ahead of the rest of the world in long distance training methods for thirty years; it's no surprise they dominate the competitions.

Fact is people from a geographic region of Africa are the world's champion sprinters and a different group of people from a geographic region of Africa are the world's champion marathon runners and both are alleged to be part of some specific "race" you have just argued against sprinting or distance running as being a "racial" characteristic. Since the 2 groups you tried to put into one "race" have contradictory abilities.

Black people are well aware that system is against us. So that kinds steels an inner toughness within black people. Some one once said "It's not really a sport with black people" that's why when blk people come into sports, when it's an even playing field. We dominate. Not so much because that natural athletic ability stuff. More that the system of racism makes black men know they have to try harder.

This is Simone Maneul.

She is the fastest swimmer in the she's the current world and Olympic champion in 100m freestyle

Despite the fact that participation rates in swimming for black people are very low. When she received the gold medal the BBC showed it live while NBC showed a tape of Russian gymnasts.

White people just need to stay out of our way and watch more and more of us break your little records and set our own. Simone Biles crushed the white competition in a sport that is usually dominated by Eastern Europeans and the Chinese.

You wouldn't even hear of Micheal Phelps if black ppl took swimming seriously but "if it don't pay, we don't play" so black people generally don't go for minority sports like swimming.

Black people can do fine in any pursuit once even a single rusty hole appears in the steel obstacles put in our way.

Michael Phelps is far beyond any swimmer that will ever live dipshit. Michael Phelps is the reason why the best black male swimmers are literally nobodies and why nobody cares about the males of other races who haven’t retired either.

Michael Phelps will be considered the best swimmer ever 1000 years from now because swimming olympic records and world records in multiple races literally minutes apart is impossible to do for anyone but people with Michael Phelps’ condition.

The same was said about Mark Spitz in 1972. Winning 7 gold medals in a single Olympics was unheard of, especially in swimming. Between 1968 and 1972, Spitz won 9 gold medals a silver and a bronze. He set 35 world records. It was said back then that he would be remembered as the greatest swimmer in history. Every record he broke has since been broken. Some multiple times.

By Phelps....in almost every single instance. Phelps got Olympic and World records in qualifiers before swimming for gold and crushing his own world record times 20 minutes later in a completely different event, Spitz and any other normal human being couldn’t dream of doing that. Spitz didn’t have the conditions that Phelps does, or the body type, or the metabolism. Phelps is literally a circus freak that will scare away any serious attempts of black athletes trying to dominate the sport in any historic manner.

And btw Phelps has been retired for a while now and nobody is even on the radar for attempting to surpass him.

If you understood swimming as a sport like I do you would understand how impossible it is for most of the best swimmers to even qualify for 8 events in a single olympics(considering that many of the best swimmers who have won gold in the past have their off days where they can’t maintain their times in the olympic trials, much less qualify for 9 events and get 8 golds by dominating qualifiers enough to get to the medal race in order to have a chance to win).

Swimming isn’t like other sports. You can’t just swim the race of your life a couple of times and be the best, you have to win dozens of times at the very highest level just to get a chance to be on the medal stand, and most of even the best swimmers come up consistently short because that “one shining moment” doesn’t matter in swimming even a little bit.

 

[ptbw forever]

Totally relevant. The topic was that the OP implied that blacks are overrepresented in professional sports.

I stated very clearly that an inordinate number of blacks work for a very small number of white owners who collectively ewrn more money than all of the players combined.

If those same owners could make even more money by fielding a more integrated work force or even a predominately white work force they would do so.

There is no affirmative action conspiracy against anyone in professional sports. It is based soley on ability.

1. I never imply, insinuate, or infer anything, ever.

2. My conclusion in the OP was that because of the disproportionate number of blacks in some pro sports (ex. the NFL), to their % of the population, and the fact that the better players seem to be white, that therefore there might be affirmative action at work here, or at least there is some justification to have that question be asked. Got it now ?

3. There is no evidence that what you said about white owners is true. They may have other motives besides just making money.

4. You have shown no evidence whatsoever for your claim that >> "There is no affirmative action conspiracy against anyone in professional sports. It is based soley on ability." If you show evidence that there is no AA going on in these sports, I will examine that evidence, and conclude on it fairly, but thus far, you have not shown a shred of evidence, but merely have stated your unsubstantiated opinion.

Affirmative action in football and basketball starts in middle and high school and ends in college(when they push out the white guys from more rural high schools).

By the time college teams are formed all of the white guys in athletic positions have been pushed out. Pro Basketball hardly has any white American draft picks to choose from, and pro football has zero white defensive players or runningbacks.

So you are saying that coaches force white kids out so they can play black kids? When the white kids are better? THat is absolutely insane.

As for zero white running backs, Christian McCaffrey might be surprised to hear that. He has been playying running back for the Carolina Panthers for 2 years now.

JJ Watt, Joey Bosa, and Luke Kuechly might be surprised to hear that they don't exist as well. In fact, lots of people would be surprised that there are zero white defensive players in the NFL. Considering that JJ Watt has won the AP NFL Defensive Player of the Year 3 of his 5 years in the league. The AP also named Luke Kuechly the Defensive Rookie of the Year in 2012. And he became the youngest player to win the AP NFL Defensive Player of the Year. In fact, in the 7 years since JJ Watt won his first defensive player of the year award, it has been awarded to a white guy 4 times and a black guy 3 times.

Maybe if you knew anything about NFL football, you would know these facts.

You literally named 4 guys who are most assuredly going to be replaced by black guys once they retire.

Compare the number of white defensive players to the number of black offensive players or even just black quarterbacks and you come up short. Even more so at the college level.

There was literally an effort to bring in more black quarterbacks in the mid 2000s after McNabb and others stood out so much for being one of the only black quarterbacks, so why wouldn’t there be a similar effort to bring in and train up white runningbacks when they are much more so underrepresented today?

White people(especially white men)are discouraged from being aggressive from a very early age, while aggression of black males is always harnessed rather than deflated and attacked. There is no agenda to get rid of black masculinity, but the effort to weed out any trace of “toxic masculinity” from the few remaining white jocks is in full force.

 

[WinterBorn]

It seems to be very common to see NFL football fields and NBA courts with more blacks than all other races combined. There also has been a majority of blacks in professional boxing for many years. How does this come to be ? Since it is common for lesser qualified blacks to be hired to many types of jobs in industry generally, one might wonder if this isn't also the case with pro sports.

Because sports is relatively objective

You either have it or you don't - PERIOD.

You either can run the 100m in under 10 seconds or you can't
You either can hit a three pointer consistently or you can't

But in the workplace : Will this person “fit in” with the company ? Do they have “enough” experience? All of these evaluations are judgment calls and if your black you'll generally be on the wrong side of that judgement call, if your white you'll be the right side.

I mean I'm pretty sure you know the well known data that a white man with a felony will be asked for job call back than a black man without one.

I'M PRETTY SURE YOU KNOW THIS

Not to mention, whites have always been willing to let black people entertain them, even at the height of racism. You still had your Muhammad Ali and Jim Brown and even you won't see a significant number of black people at any NBA game.

Are better talented, faster, stronger whites being denied opportunities, based on race ?

• Every player who has ever won an NHL scoring title is white.
• Every Olympic weightlifting record is held by a caucasian.
• All championship speed skaters are white.
• Every major league pitcher who has ever won 300 games is white.
• Almost all Olympic champions rowers and kayakers are white,

How about Hispanics and Asians ? When is the last time you saw a Chinese, Japanese, or Korean guy on an NFL football field ? How about guys from India on a basketball court ? There are so few Asians in the most popular American sports that it's practically impossible to rate their performances.

Yeah sure you’ll find 75% of African Americans in the NBA but you won’t find many West Africans, who are certainly “blacker” and according to the theory, athleticism and blackness somehow run together.

Well in that case you'd expect West Africans to dominate the NBA and African teams to dominate international basketball competitions. Apart USA black basketball teams are countries representing black nations are very average

There are actually very good reasons why track and field and boxing events are dominated the way they are; because that's who trains and competes in them. Boxing is generally for people who have limited opportunities. Racism limits your opportunities.

And yes Africans have been ahead of the rest of the world in long distance training methods for thirty years; it's no surprise they dominate the competitions.

Fact is people from a geographic region of Africa are the world's champion sprinters and a different group of people from a geographic region of Africa are the world's champion marathon runners and both are alleged to be part of some specific "race" you have just argued against sprinting or distance running as being a "racial" characteristic. Since the 2 groups you tried to put into one "race" have contradictory abilities.

Black people are well aware that system is against us. So that kinds steels an inner toughness within black people. Some one once said "It's not really a sport with black people" that's why when blk people come into sports, when it's an even playing field. We dominate. Not so much because that natural athletic ability stuff. More that the system of racism makes black men know they have to try harder.

This is Simone Maneul.

She is the fastest swimmer in the she's the current world and Olympic champion in 100m freestyle

Despite the fact that participation rates in swimming for black people are very low. When she received the gold medal the BBC showed it live while NBC showed a tape of Russian gymnasts.

White people just need to stay out of our way and watch more and more of us break your little records and set our own. Simone Biles crushed the white competition in a sport that is usually dominated by Eastern Europeans and the Chinese.

You wouldn't even hear of Micheal Phelps if black ppl took swimming seriously but "if it don't pay, we don't play" so black people generally don't go for minority sports like swimming.

Black people can do fine in any pursuit once even a single rusty hole appears in the steel obstacles put in our way.

Michael Phelps is far beyond any swimmer that will ever live dipshit. Michael Phelps is the reason why the best black male swimmers are literally nobodies and why nobody cares about the males of other races who haven’t retired either.

Michael Phelps will be considered the best swimmer ever 1000 years from now because swimming olympic records and world records in multiple races literally minutes apart is impossible to do for anyone but people with Michael Phelps’ condition.

The same was said about Mark Spitz in 1972. Winning 7 gold medals in a single Olympics was unheard of, especially in swimming. Between 1968 and 1972, Spitz won 9 gold medals a silver and a bronze. He set 35 world records. It was said back then that he would be remembered as the greatest swimmer in history. Every record he broke has since been broken. Some multiple times.

By Phelps....in almost every single instance. Phelps got Olympic and World records in qualifiers before swimming for gold and crushing his own world record times 20 minutes later in a completely different event, Spitz and any other normal human being couldn’t dream of doing that. Spitz didn’t have the conditions that Phelps does, or the body type, or the metabolism. Phelps is literally a circus freak that will scare away any serious attempts of black athletes trying to dominate the sport in any historic manner.

And btw Phelps has been retired for a while now and nobody is even on the radar for attempting to surpass him.

If you understood swimming as a sport like I do you would understand how impossible it is for most of the best swimmers to even qualify for 8 events in a single olympics(considering that many of the best swimmers who have won gold in the past have their off days where they can’t maintain their times in the olympic trials, much less qualify for 9 events and get 8 golds by dominating qualifiers enough to get to the medal race in order to have a chance to win).

Swimming isn’t like other sports. You can’t just swim the race of your life a couple of times and be the best, you have to win dozens of times at the very highest level just to get a chance to be on the medal stand, and most of even the best swimmers come up consistently short because that “one shining moment” doesn’t matter in swimming even a little bit.

I understand swimming quite well. I was a swimmer in the 1970s. First on a private club team, then in high school. The competitions are grueling.

Yes, Phelps is a phenomenon. So was Mark Spitz. I'm just saying, don't count on records holding for 1,000 years.

 

[ptbw forever]

It seems absurd to state that the NFL favours black players when they have punished Kapernik so much. Perhaps the OP could provide some names of players who are suffering from this supposed AA ?

That one very outspoken player got punished, does not disprove the unequal outcome.


By liberals standards, unequal outcome is proof of discrimination.


That you deny that, by lib standards, is proof you are a racist. And stupid. And evul.

This is not a "lib issue" or a "racial issue". You and the idiot OP are the ones who are race baiting and repeating yourselves and sounding absurd.

If there was actually anti white discrimination in the NFL, white people would not be turning out by the thousands to attend games, every year, and the highest paid players would not be white.

White players who did not make it and were good enough to make it would speak up as well.

In fact, your god, Trump tried to buy an NFL team once, and was rejected.

White people turn out to support all black teams for the same reason they vote for political parties that explicitly state that they will do nothing for them or even disenfranchise them, we have been robbed of our culture, our pride and our collective identity.

I still have my pride and my culture. Not sure what happened to yours.

It was destroyed by the left wing and the right did absolutely nothing while they did so.

 

[WinterBorn]

Totally relevant. The topic was that the OP implied that blacks are overrepresented in professional sports.

I stated very clearly that an inordinate number of blacks work for a very small number of white owners who collectively ewrn more money than all of the players combined.

If those same owners could make even more money by fielding a more integrated work force or even a predominately white work force they would do so.

There is no affirmative action conspiracy against anyone in professional sports. It is based soley on ability.

1. I never imply, insinuate, or infer anything, ever.

2. My conclusion in the OP was that because of the disproportionate number of blacks in some pro sports (ex. the NFL), to their % of the population, and the fact that the better players seem to be white, that therefore there might be affirmative action at work here, or at least there is some justification to have that question be asked. Got it now ?

3. There is no evidence that what you said about white owners is true. They may have other motives besides just making money.

4. You have shown no evidence whatsoever for your claim that >> "There is no affirmative action conspiracy against anyone in professional sports. It is based soley on ability." If you show evidence that there is no AA going on in these sports, I will examine that evidence, and conclude on it fairly, but thus far, you have not shown a shred of evidence, but merely have stated your unsubstantiated opinion.

Affirmative action in football and basketball starts in middle and high school and ends in college(when they push out the white guys from more rural high schools).

By the time college teams are formed all of the white guys in athletic positions have been pushed out. Pro Basketball hardly has any white American draft picks to choose from, and pro football has zero white defensive players or runningbacks.

So you are saying that coaches force white kids out so they can play black kids? When the white kids are better? THat is absolutely insane.

As for zero white running backs, Christian McCaffrey might be surprised to hear that. He has been playying running back for the Carolina Panthers for 2 years now.

JJ Watt, Joey Bosa, and Luke Kuechly might be surprised to hear that they don't exist as well. In fact, lots of people would be surprised that there are zero white defensive players in the NFL. Considering that JJ Watt has won the AP NFL Defensive Player of the Year 3 of his 5 years in the league. The AP also named Luke Kuechly the Defensive Rookie of the Year in 2012. And he became the youngest player to win the AP NFL Defensive Player of the Year. In fact, in the 7 years since JJ Watt won his first defensive player of the year award, it has been awarded to a white guy 4 times and a black guy 3 times.

Maybe if you knew anything about NFL football, you would know these facts.

You literally named 4 guys who are most assuredly going to be replaced by black guys once they retire.

Compare the number of white defensive players to the number of black offensive players or even just black quarterbacks and you come up short. Even more so at the college level.

There was literally an effort to bring in more black quarterbacks in the mid 2000s after McNabb and others stood out so much for being one of the only black quarterbacks, so why wouldn’t there be a similar effort to bring in and train up white runningbacks when they are much more so underrepresented today?

White people(especially white men)are discouraged from being aggressive from a very early age, while aggression of black males is always harnessed rather than deflated and attacked. There is no agenda to get rid of black masculinity, but the effort to weed out any trace of “toxic masculinity” from the few remaining white jocks is in full force.

I named 3 defensive stars and a star running back in a league where you said there were zero.

And if society is putting pressure on men one way or the other, that is not affirmative action.

Affirmative action is where a less qualified person gets the job because of their race or gender. That has not been shown.

 

[WinterBorn]

It seems absurd to state that the NFL favours black players when they have punished Kapernik so much. Perhaps the OP could provide some names of players who are suffering from this supposed AA ?

That one very outspoken player got punished, does not disprove the unequal outcome.


By liberals standards, unequal outcome is proof of discrimination.


That you deny that, by lib standards, is proof you are a racist. And stupid. And evul.

This is not a "lib issue" or a "racial issue". You and the idiot OP are the ones who are race baiting and repeating yourselves and sounding absurd.

If there was actually anti white discrimination in the NFL, white people would not be turning out by the thousands to attend games, every year, and the highest paid players would not be white.

White players who did not make it and were good enough to make it would speak up as well.

In fact, your god, Trump tried to buy an NFL team once, and was rejected.

White people turn out to support all black teams for the same reason they vote for political parties that explicitly state that they will do nothing for them or even disenfranchise them, we have been robbed of our culture, our pride and our collective identity.

I still have my pride and my culture. Not sure what happened to yours.

It was destroyed by the left wing and the right did absolutely nothing while they did so.

What culture was destroyed? Not mine. I can still enjoy my redneck side. I still hunt, fish, camp, drink, shoot and raise a little hell on occasion.

 

[WinterBorn]

Totally relevant. The topic was that the OP implied that blacks are overrepresented in professional sports.

I stated very clearly that an inordinate number of blacks work for a very small number of white owners who collectively ewrn more money than all of the players combined.

If those same owners could make even more money by fielding a more integrated work force or even a predominately white work force they would do so.

There is no affirmative action conspiracy against anyone in professional sports. It is based soley on ability.

1. I never imply, insinuate, or infer anything, ever.

2. My conclusion in the OP was that because of the disproportionate number of blacks in some pro sports (ex. the NFL), to their % of the population, and the fact that the better players seem to be white, that therefore there might be affirmative action at work here, or at least there is some justification to have that question be asked. Got it now ?

3. There is no evidence that what you said about white owners is true. They may have other motives besides just making money.

4. You have shown no evidence whatsoever for your claim that >> "There is no affirmative action conspiracy against anyone in professional sports. It is based soley on ability." If you show evidence that there is no AA going on in these sports, I will examine that evidence, and conclude on it fairly, but thus far, you have not shown a shred of evidence, but merely have stated your unsubstantiated opinion.

Affirmative action in football and basketball starts in middle and high school and ends in college(when they push out the white guys from more rural high schools).

By the time college teams are formed all of the white guys in athletic positions have been pushed out. Pro Basketball hardly has any white American draft picks to choose from, and pro football has zero white defensive players or runningbacks.

So you are saying that coaches force white kids out so they can play black kids? When the white kids are better? THat is absolutely insane.

As for zero white running backs, Christian McCaffrey might be surprised to hear that. He has been playying running back for the Carolina Panthers for 2 years now.

JJ Watt, Joey Bosa, and Luke Kuechly might be surprised to hear that they don't exist as well. In fact, lots of people would be surprised that there are zero white defensive players in the NFL. Considering that JJ Watt has won the AP NFL Defensive Player of the Year 3 of his 5 years in the league. The AP also named Luke Kuechly the Defensive Rookie of the Year in 2012. And he became the youngest player to win the AP NFL Defensive Player of the Year. In fact, in the 7 years since JJ Watt won his first defensive player of the year award, it has been awarded to a white guy 4 times and a black guy 3 times.

Maybe if you knew anything about NFL football, you would know these facts.

You literally named 4 guys who are most assuredly going to be replaced by black guys once they retire.

Compare the number of white defensive players to the number of black offensive players or even just black quarterbacks and you come up short. Even more so at the college level.

There was literally an effort to bring in more black quarterbacks in the mid 2000s after McNabb and others stood out so much for being one of the only black quarterbacks, so why wouldn’t there be a similar effort to bring in and train up white runningbacks when they are much more so underrepresented today?

White people(especially white men)are discouraged from being aggressive from a very early age, while aggression of black males is always harnessed rather than deflated and attacked. There is no agenda to get rid of black masculinity, but the effort to weed out any trace of “toxic masculinity” from the few remaining white jocks is in full force.

And the 4 guys I named might well be replaced by black guys when they retire. But those black guys will not get the job because they are black. They will get the job because they are the best at it.

 

[ptbw forever]

It seems to be very common to see NFL football fields and NBA courts with more blacks than all other races combined. There also has been a majority of blacks in professional boxing for many years. How does this come to be ? Since it is common for lesser qualified blacks to be hired to many types of jobs in industry generally, one might wonder if this isn't also the case with pro sports.

Because sports is relatively objective

You either have it or you don't - PERIOD.

You either can run the 100m in under 10 seconds or you can't
You either can hit a three pointer consistently or you can't

But in the workplace : Will this person “fit in” with the company ? Do they have “enough” experience? All of these evaluations are judgment calls and if your black you'll generally be on the wrong side of that judgement call, if your white you'll be the right side.

I mean I'm pretty sure you know the well known data that a white man with a felony will be asked for job call back than a black man without one.

I'M PRETTY SURE YOU KNOW THIS

Not to mention, whites have always been willing to let black people entertain them, even at the height of racism. You still had your Muhammad Ali and Jim Brown and even you won't see a significant number of black people at any NBA game.

Are better talented, faster, stronger whites being denied opportunities, based on race ?

• Every player who has ever won an NHL scoring title is white.
• Every Olympic weightlifting record is held by a caucasian.
• All championship speed skaters are white.
• Every major league pitcher who has ever won 300 games is white.
• Almost all Olympic champions rowers and kayakers are white,

How about Hispanics and Asians ? When is the last time you saw a Chinese, Japanese, or Korean guy on an NFL football field ? How about guys from India on a basketball court ? There are so few Asians in the most popular American sports that it's practically impossible to rate their performances.

Yeah sure you’ll find 75% of African Americans in the NBA but you won’t find many West Africans, who are certainly “blacker” and according to the theory, athleticism and blackness somehow run together.

Well in that case you'd expect West Africans to dominate the NBA and African teams to dominate international basketball competitions. Apart USA black basketball teams are countries representing black nations are very average

There are actually very good reasons why track and field and boxing events are dominated the way they are; because that's who trains and competes in them. Boxing is generally for people who have limited opportunities. Racism limits your opportunities.

And yes Africans have been ahead of the rest of the world in long distance training methods for thirty years; it's no surprise they dominate the competitions.

Fact is people from a geographic region of Africa are the world's champion sprinters and a different group of people from a geographic region of Africa are the world's champion marathon runners and both are alleged to be part of some specific "race" you have just argued against sprinting or distance running as being a "racial" characteristic. Since the 2 groups you tried to put into one "race" have contradictory abilities.

Black people are well aware that system is against us. So that kinds steels an inner toughness within black people. Some one once said "It's not really a sport with black people" that's why when blk people come into sports, when it's an even playing field. We dominate. Not so much because that natural athletic ability stuff. More that the system of racism makes black men know they have to try harder.

This is Simone Maneul.

She is the fastest swimmer in the she's the current world and Olympic champion in 100m freestyle

Despite the fact that participation rates in swimming for black people are very low. When she received the gold medal the BBC showed it live while NBC showed a tape of Russian gymnasts.

White people just need to stay out of our way and watch more and more of us break your little records and set our own. Simone Biles crushed the white competition in a sport that is usually dominated by Eastern Europeans and the Chinese.

You wouldn't even hear of Micheal Phelps if black ppl took swimming seriously but "if it don't pay, we don't play" so black people generally don't go for minority sports like swimming.

Black people can do fine in any pursuit once even a single rusty hole appears in the steel obstacles put in our way.

Michael Phelps is far beyond any swimmer that will ever live dipshit. Michael Phelps is the reason why the best black male swimmers are literally nobodies and why nobody cares about the males of other races who haven’t retired either.

Michael Phelps will be considered the best swimmer ever 1000 years from now because swimming olympic records and world records in multiple races literally minutes apart is impossible to do for anyone but people with Michael Phelps’ condition.

The same was said about Mark Spitz in 1972. Winning 7 gold medals in a single Olympics was unheard of, especially in swimming. Between 1968 and 1972, Spitz won 9 gold medals a silver and a bronze. He set 35 world records. It was said back then that he would be remembered as the greatest swimmer in history. Every record he broke has since been broken. Some multiple times.

By Phelps....in almost every single instance. Phelps got Olympic and World records in qualifiers before swimming for gold and crushing his own world record times 20 minutes later in a completely different event, Spitz and any other normal human being couldn’t dream of doing that. Spitz didn’t have the conditions that Phelps does, or the body type, or the metabolism. Phelps is literally a circus freak that will scare away any serious attempts of black athletes trying to dominate the sport in any historic manner.

And btw Phelps has been retired for a while now and nobody is even on the radar for attempting to surpass him.

If you understood swimming as a sport like I do you would understand how impossible it is for most of the best swimmers to even qualify for 8 events in a single olympics(considering that many of the best swimmers who have won gold in the past have their off days where they can’t maintain their times in the olympic trials, much less qualify for 9 events and get 8 golds by dominating qualifiers enough to get to the medal race in order to have a chance to win).

Swimming isn’t like other sports. You can’t just swim the race of your life a couple of times and be the best, you have to win dozens of times at the very highest level just to get a chance to be on the medal stand, and most of even the best swimmers come up consistently short because that “one shining moment” doesn’t matter in swimming even a little bit.

I understand swimming quite well. I was a swimmer in the 1970s. First on a private club team, then in high school. The competitions are grueling.

Yes, Phelps is a phenomenon. So was Mark Spitz. I'm just saying, don't count on records holding for 1,000 years.

Phelps is far far far beyond Spitz. Spitz was just a talented swimmer who took advantage of the changing equipment and rules and was in far better shape than the average swimmer at the time. Phelps was that and he is a freak of nature. You can literally put everything you have to barely beat him in a short sprint and he will then challenge you to a rematch minutes later where he will crush both your previous time and his while you are killing yourself to even get a decent time, NO ONE can do this even when they are feeling on top of the world. The best even the greatest swimmers who aren’t Phelps can do is maintain their times to the second and HOPE nobody can beat that time until they manage to find a way to beat it themselves milliseconds at a time.

Most people with Phelp’s conditions can’t even do sports, much less utilize them with the perfect body type to go to the Olympics to win almost every big race in an extremely demanding sport. Phelps is almost certainly one of a kind. His individual race times will be and have been broken, but nobody will ever get more than or equal to 8 gold medals in swimming because of the way the sport is constructed, and nobody will will ever top their own world records in as many events as he has.