WinterBorn
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Phelps is far far far beyond Spitz. Spitz was just a talented swimmer who took advantage of the changing equipment and rules and was in far better shape than the average swimmer at the time. Phelps was that and he is a freak of nature. You can literally put everything you have to barely beat him in a short sprint and he will then challenge you to a rematch minutes later where he will crush both your previous time and his while you are killing yourself to even get a decent time, NO ONE can do this even when they are feeling on top of the world. The best even the greatest swimmers who aren’t Phelps can do is maintain their times to the second and HOPE nobody can beat that time until they manage to find a way to beat it themselves milliseconds at a time.I understand swimming quite well. I was a swimmer in the 1970s. First on a private club team, then in high school. The competitions are grueling.By Phelps....in almost every single instance. Phelps got Olympic and World records in qualifiers before swimming for gold and crushing his own world record times 20 minutes later in a completely different event, Spitz and any other normal human being couldn’t dream of doing that. Spitz didn’t have the conditions that Phelps does, or the body type, or the metabolism. Phelps is literally a circus freak that will scare away any serious attempts of black athletes trying to dominate the sport in any historic manner.Michael Phelps is far beyond any swimmer that will ever live dipshit. Michael Phelps is the reason why the best black male swimmers are literally nobodies and why nobody cares about the males of other races who haven’t retired either.Because sports is relatively objective
You either have it or you don't - PERIOD.
You either can run the 100m in under 10 seconds or you can't
You either can hit a three pointer consistently or you can't
But in the workplace : Will this person “fit in” with the company ? Do they have “enough” experience? All of these evaluations are judgment calls and if your black you'll generally be on the wrong side of that judgement call, if your white you'll be the right side.
I mean I'm pretty sure you know the well known data that a white man with a felony will be asked for job call back than a black man without one.
I'M PRETTY SURE YOU KNOW THIS
Not to mention, whites have always been willing to let black people entertain them, even at the height of racism. You still had your Muhammad Ali and Jim Brown and even you won't see a significant number of black people at any NBA game.
- Every player who has ever won an NHL scoring title is white.
- Every Olympic weightlifting record is held by a caucasian.
- All championship speed skaters are white.
- Every major league pitcher who has ever won 300 games is white.
- Almost all Olympic champions rowers and kayakers are white,
Yeah sure you’ll find 75% of African Americans in the NBA but you won’t find many West Africans, who are certainly “blacker” and according to the theory, athleticism and blackness somehow run together.
Well in that case you'd expect West Africans to dominate the NBA and African teams to dominate international basketball competitions. Apart USA black basketball teams are countries representing black nations are very average
There are actually very good reasons why track and field and boxing events are dominated the way they are; because that's who trains and competes in them. Boxing is generally for people who have limited opportunities. Racism limits your opportunities.
And yes Africans have been ahead of the rest of the world in long distance training methods for thirty years; it's no surprise they dominate the competitions.
Fact is people from a geographic region of Africa are the world's champion sprinters and a different group of people from a geographic region of Africa are the world's champion marathon runners and both are alleged to be part of some specific "race" you have just argued against sprinting or distance running as being a "racial" characteristic. Since the 2 groups you tried to put into one "race" have contradictory abilities.
Black people are well aware that system is against us. So that kinds steels an inner toughness within black people. Some one once said "It's not really a sport with black people" that's why when blk people come into sports, when it's an even playing field. We dominate. Not so much because that natural athletic ability stuff. More that the system of racism makes black men know they have to try harder.
This is Simone Maneul.
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She is the fastest swimmer in the she's the current world and Olympic champion in 100m freestyle
Despite the fact that participation rates in swimming for black people are very low. When she received the gold medal the BBC showed it live while NBC showed a tape of Russian gymnasts.
White people just need to stay out of our way and watch more and more of us break your little records and set our own. Simone Biles crushed the white competition in a sport that is usually dominated by Eastern Europeans and the Chinese.
You wouldn't even hear of Micheal Phelps if black ppl took swimming seriously but "if it don't pay, we don't play" so black people generally don't go for minority sports like swimming.
Black people can do fine in any pursuit once even a single rusty hole appears in the steel obstacles put in our way.
Michael Phelps will be considered the best swimmer ever 1000 years from now because swimming olympic records and world records in multiple races literally minutes apart is impossible to do for anyone but people with Michael Phelps’ condition.
The same was said about Mark Spitz in 1972. Winning 7 gold medals in a single Olympics was unheard of, especially in swimming. Between 1968 and 1972, Spitz won 9 gold medals a silver and a bronze. He set 35 world records. It was said back then that he would be remembered as the greatest swimmer in history. Every record he broke has since been broken. Some multiple times.
And btw Phelps has been retired for a while now and nobody is even on the radar for attempting to surpass him.
If you understood swimming as a sport like I do you would understand how impossible it is for most of the best swimmers to even qualify for 8 events in a single olympics(considering that many of the best swimmers who have won gold in the past have their off days where they can’t maintain their times in the olympic trials, much less qualify for 9 events and get 8 golds by dominating qualifiers enough to get to the medal race in order to have a chance to win).
Swimming isn’t like other sports. You can’t just swim the race of your life a couple of times and be the best, you have to win dozens of times at the very highest level just to get a chance to be on the medal stand, and most of even the best swimmers come up consistently short because that “one shining moment” doesn’t matter in swimming even a little bit.
Yes, Phelps is a phenomenon. So was Mark Spitz. I'm just saying, don't count on records holding for 1,000 years.
Most people with Phelp’s conditions can’t even do sports, much less utilize them with the perfect body type to go to the Olympics to win almost every big race in an extremely demanding sport. Phelps is almost certainly one of a kind. His individual race times will be and have been broken, but nobody will ever get more than or equal to 8 gold medals in swimming because of the way the sport is constructed, and nobody will will ever top their own world records in as many events as he has.
Ok.