Bye, bye... evil inspired mandate

[koshergrl]

Republicans force tax cuts through the Senate | Daily Mail Online

Most can not afford it, dont want anything to do with it and will never benefit from it.

How is it evil inspired?

Obamacare is all about control and nothing to do with healthcare

Maybe according to the fake news right.

One goal of covering everyone was that the huge cost of last minute life saving emergency room visits for uninsured folks would be prevented and the cost of the prevention would be partially paid for by the individual,,,rather than the huge emergency cost being rolled into higher prices for everyone. The goal and result was clearly not control for the sake of it.

The gop has no solution for this problem, which is why they havent come up with a workable plan that addresses it. Some of them would say the person should die if they chose to forgo coverage and got caught.

There are probably only a few ways to get close to full coverage, which I believe is a necessity in the greatest country. One is a mandate, another is universal single payer. Both of these are a push motivation. Choice of being covered or not, is not allowed, because the probabilistic cost of health care should be assigned to those consuming it as much as possible.

A 3rd way would be a natural pull. If the product is cheap enough, and benefits clear enough, most people would opt to purchase it. However, this doesn't happen because the lowest paying jobs don't offer livable wages and also the benefits of price competition don't exist at the low end consumer level in many markets in our economy including this one. Large companies would sooner offer more expensive or similarly priced options when savings from economies of scale are achieved, not actually pass that savings to the consumer via a low cost option. Some folks who are on the fringe also just don't understand the importance of being covered due to poor education.

A 4th way is to require or convincingly incentivize employers to offer health care coverage to all employees. This might be the best option for a lot of reasons, but it would need to extend down to those living off low wages.

Why must the greatest country Have near full health care coverage? Because being born here should put people head and shoulders above the rest of the world. People should be focusing on making money, taking advantage of opportunities, providing for their family rather than whether or not they can afford to go to the doctor and solve a worsening health problem out of pocket. These financial crises severely maim people's lives, particularly at the bottom.

explain the mandate? that's all one needs to understand it was about welfare and wealth distribution. LOL.

Wtf are you talking about? The problem already existed that uninsured folks would use healthcare and incur huge costs that they couldn't pay. Those costs were rolled into higher prices for everyone, therefore you were already paying for them.

Now illegals do that.

 

[imawhosure]

Next we need to remove all laws that mandate someone get medical treatment they cannot pay for.

Get in an accident and do not have insurance and do not have the cash to pay the bill then you are out of luck.


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Golfing Gator needs a dollar. Leftists, help your fellow phony-baloney-)

Are you kidding, this tax cuts helps me more than most I am willing to bet. I am starting the year off with a 10 grand a year promotion and 400 less a month coming out of our checks when that kicks in. I see a nice new shiny set of clubs in my near future.

But, if we can all agree it is wrong to force a person to buy a product they do not want I think we could all agree it is wrong to force a person to provide a service or product that cannot be paid for.

Why should someone get something they do not have the means to pay for? ER and hospitals needs to start turning people away that do not have insurance or the cash up front to pay.

Why? Leftists are willing for us......errrrr, I mean you to pay. Just voluntarily pay more, and quit bugging the rest of us to follow your goofy lead! There is no law that says you can't. We would NEVER do that. On the other hand, you would try and force us to see it your way, that is the difference between us and you.

So go ahead, pay more, then pat yourselves on the back. Hell, I will even thank you for being a nice person with YOUR money. Just don't make me be nice with mine.

CONCLUSION---------->spend your money on anything legal you want, including giving extra to the federal government. Then pat yourself on the back as hard as you want. Leave my wallet alone, and I might even pat you on the back too-)

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Next we need to remove all laws that mandate someone get medical treatment they cannot pay for.

Get in an accident and do not have insurance and do not have the cash to pay the bill then you are out of luck.


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Golfing Gator needs a dollar. Leftists, help your fellow phony-baloney-)

Are you kidding, this tax cuts helps me more than most I am willing to bet. I am starting the year off with a 10 grand a year promotion and 400 less a month coming out of our checks when that kicks in. I see a nice new shiny set of clubs in my near future.

But, if we can all agree it is wrong to force a person to buy a product they do not want I think we could all agree it is wrong to force a person to provide a service or product that cannot be paid for.

Why should someone get something they do not have the means to pay for? ER and hospitals needs to start turning people away that do not have insurance or the cash up front to pay.

Why? Leftists are willing for us......errrrr, I mean you to pay. Just voluntarily pay more, and quit bugging the rest of us to follow your goofy lead! There is no law that says you can't. We would NEVER do that. On the other hand, you would try and force us to see it your way, that is the difference between us and you.

So go ahead, pay more, then pat yourselves on the back. Hell, I will even thank you for being a nice person with YOUR money. Just don't make me be nice with mine.

CONCLUSION---------->spend your money on anything legal you want, including giving extra to the federal government. Then pat yourself on the back as hard as you want. Leave my wallet alone, and I might even pat you on the back too-)

Wow, that was impressive. I have never seen so many talking points being hit in one rant like that before. Well done! Do you guys get like bonus points based on the number of talking points from the last GOP email you use?

So, now back to the topic at hand. You seem to agree it is wrong to force someone to pay for a product they do not want.

So, if you do in fact agree it is wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want, do you also agree is wrong to force someone to provide a service/product to someone who cannot afford to pay for it?

Or are you ok with the government telling certain people and companies they must provide a service/product even to those who have no ability to pay for it?

 

[jc456]

Next we need to remove all laws that mandate someone get medical treatment they cannot pay for.

Get in an accident and do not have insurance and do not have the cash to pay the bill then you are out of luck.


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Golfing Gator needs a dollar. Leftists, help your fellow phony-baloney-)

Are you kidding, this tax cuts helps me more than most I am willing to bet. I am starting the year off with a 10 grand a year promotion and 400 less a month coming out of our checks when that kicks in. I see a nice new shiny set of clubs in my near future.

But, if we can all agree it is wrong to force a person to buy a product they do not want I think we could all agree it is wrong to force a person to provide a service or product that cannot be paid for.

Why should someone get something they do not have the means to pay for? ER and hospitals needs to start turning people away that do not have insurance or the cash up front to pay.

Why? Leftists are willing for us......errrrr, I mean you to pay. Just voluntarily pay more, and quit bugging the rest of us to follow your goofy lead! There is no law that says you can't. We would NEVER do that. On the other hand, you would try and force us to see it your way, that is the difference between us and you.

So go ahead, pay more, then pat yourselves on the back. Hell, I will even thank you for being a nice person with YOUR money. Just don't make me be nice with mine.

CONCLUSION---------->spend your money on anything legal you want, including giving extra to the federal government. Then pat yourself on the back as hard as you want. Leave my wallet alone, and I might even pat you on the back too-)

Wow, that was impressive. I have never seen so many talking points being hit in one rant like that before. Well done! Do you guys get like bonus points based on the number of talking points from the last GOP email you use?

So, now back to the topic at hand. You seem to agree it is wrong to force someone to pay for a product they do not want.

So, if you do in fact agree it is wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want, do you also agree is wrong to force someone to provide a service/product to someone who cannot afford to pay for it?

Or are you ok with the government telling certain people and companies they must provide a service/product even to those who have no ability to pay for it?

So, if you do in fact agree it is wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want, do you also agree is wrong to force someone to provide a service/product to someone who cannot afford to pay for it?

What the fk does that mean?

Nonsense

 

[koshergrl]

Next we need to remove all laws that mandate someone get medical treatment they cannot pay for.

Get in an accident and do not have insurance and do not have the cash to pay the bill then you are out of luck.


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Golfing Gator needs a dollar. Leftists, help your fellow phony-baloney-)

Are you kidding, this tax cuts helps me more than most I am willing to bet. I am starting the year off with a 10 grand a year promotion and 400 less a month coming out of our checks when that kicks in. I see a nice new shiny set of clubs in my near future.

But, if we can all agree it is wrong to force a person to buy a product they do not want I think we could all agree it is wrong to force a person to provide a service or product that cannot be paid for.

Why should someone get something they do not have the means to pay for? ER and hospitals needs to start turning people away that do not have insurance or the cash up front to pay.

Why? Leftists are willing for us......errrrr, I mean you to pay. Just voluntarily pay more, and quit bugging the rest of us to follow your goofy lead! There is no law that says you can't. We would NEVER do that. On the other hand, you would try and force us to see it your way, that is the difference between us and you.

So go ahead, pay more, then pat yourselves on the back. Hell, I will even thank you for being a nice person with YOUR money. Just don't make me be nice with mine.

CONCLUSION---------->spend your money on anything legal you want, including giving extra to the federal government. Then pat yourself on the back as hard as you want. Leave my wallet alone, and I might even pat you on the back too-)

Wow, that was impressive. I have never seen so many talking points being hit in one rant like that before. Well done! Do you guys get like bonus points based on the number of talking points from the last GOP email you use?

So, now back to the topic at hand. You seem to agree it is wrong to force someone to pay for a product they do not want.

So, if you do in fact agree it is wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want, do you also agree is wrong to force someone to provide a service/product to someone who cannot afford to pay for it?

Or are you ok with the government telling certain people and companies they must provide a service/product even to those who have no ability to pay for it?

I have never seen you make a point. You are the one who uses talking points to the exclusion of all else.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

So, if you do in fact agree it is wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want, do you also agree is wrong to force someone to provide a service/product to someone who cannot afford to pay for it?

What the fk does that mean?

Nonsense

Well let me type really slow for you, then maybe you will understand.

Now, the first part of my sentence was dealing with the mandate that the new tax bill got rid of. We all agree that it is just wrong to force people to buy a product they do not wish to buy.

The second part of my sentence is dealing with the laws in the US that mandate that ER/Hospitals provide care even to those who have no insurance and no ability to pay for the service they are receiving.

So, my question is why is it wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want to buy, why is it also not wrong to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Next we need to remove all laws that mandate someone get medical treatment they cannot pay for.

Get in an accident and do not have insurance and do not have the cash to pay the bill then you are out of luck.


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Golfing Gator needs a dollar. Leftists, help your fellow phony-baloney-)

Are you kidding, this tax cuts helps me more than most I am willing to bet. I am starting the year off with a 10 grand a year promotion and 400 less a month coming out of our checks when that kicks in. I see a nice new shiny set of clubs in my near future.

But, if we can all agree it is wrong to force a person to buy a product they do not want I think we could all agree it is wrong to force a person to provide a service or product that cannot be paid for.

Why should someone get something they do not have the means to pay for? ER and hospitals needs to start turning people away that do not have insurance or the cash up front to pay.

Why? Leftists are willing for us......errrrr, I mean you to pay. Just voluntarily pay more, and quit bugging the rest of us to follow your goofy lead! There is no law that says you can't. We would NEVER do that. On the other hand, you would try and force us to see it your way, that is the difference between us and you.

So go ahead, pay more, then pat yourselves on the back. Hell, I will even thank you for being a nice person with YOUR money. Just don't make me be nice with mine.

CONCLUSION---------->spend your money on anything legal you want, including giving extra to the federal government. Then pat yourself on the back as hard as you want. Leave my wallet alone, and I might even pat you on the back too-)

Wow, that was impressive. I have never seen so many talking points being hit in one rant like that before. Well done! Do you guys get like bonus points based on the number of talking points from the last GOP email you use?

So, now back to the topic at hand. You seem to agree it is wrong to force someone to pay for a product they do not want.

So, if you do in fact agree it is wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want, do you also agree is wrong to force someone to provide a service/product to someone who cannot afford to pay for it?

Or are you ok with the government telling certain people and companies they must provide a service/product even to those who have no ability to pay for it?

I have never seen you make a point. You are the one who uses talking points to the exclusion of all else.

Are you my newest groupie? Are you going to keep following me around and responding to my post with little quips in hopes of gaining my attention and maybe a pat on the head?

 

[Rustic]

Republicans force tax cuts through the Senate | Daily Mail Online

Most can not afford it, dont want anything to do with it and will never benefit from it.

How is it evil inspired?

Obamacare is all about control and nothing to do with healthcare

You do know the mandate was invented by conservatives.

Quit falling down the well
They were 100% wrong... obviously

 

[Rustic]

Heritage Foundation is evil?

The mandate is absolutely unconstitutional and unnecessary, the intention behind it is evil...

ABSOLUTELY Wtf would you know?

There were state side experiments that were similar to ACA but without the mandate - THEY ALL FAILED. There was other that did have mandate and succeeded.

Not needed? History of such reforms shows otherwise. People have a tendency to be irresponsible, not pay for insurance and become someone else's burden when they get sick.

Fuck the village
No one should forced to pay for other peoples shit...

Fuck the village? Man, you really want America to go down in a ball of fire, don't you? Your view is very biased. If you are going to be so specific about one person paying for something for another person, you have to expand the thought process to the entire state and federal budget and tax policy. Because there are indirect and direct payments like this happening all the time and it would be narrow of you to pick out just the one that fits your hateful agenda and conveniently ignore the rest.

Socialism is a born loser... it has never been successful in the history of the planet, long term.
Taxing one group people to help another group of people is 100% wrong headed, forced charity really makes no sense. It is not the job of the federal government to pick winners and losers… Fuck the village

 

[Rustic]

The mandate is absolutely unconstitutional and unnecessary, the intention behind it is evil...

ABSOLUTELY Wtf would you know?

There were state side experiments that were similar to ACA but without the mandate - THEY ALL FAILED. There was other that did have mandate and succeeded.

Not needed? History of such reforms shows otherwise. People have a tendency to be irresponsible, not pay for insurance and become someone else's burden when they get sick.

Fuck the village
No one should forced to pay for other peoples shit...

So when a person with low income has a heart attack we just let them die?

That is what churches/community charitable organizations are for.
Anything done by the federal government is fucked up and will be fucked up

That is a joke, churches keep more than 80% of their offerings for themselves and there are not enough charitable organizations to pay for people's healthcare.

If you buy insurance you will still be paying for them, you are just too stupid to know any better.

Mandated insurance is legalized extortion, and unconstitutional

 

[Deno]

Republicans force tax cuts through the Senate | Daily Mail Online

Most can not afford it, dont want anything to do with it and will never benefit from it.

President Trump " Man do I ever enjoy saying that"

Is kicking liberal ass all over the place...

WINNING.................................

 

[Rustic]

President Trump and the GOP restore CHOICE Obamacare was so awesome, Dem's had to threaten millions of people into buying it, and fine and confiscate the tax refunds of those who refused THAT'S how popular Obamacare is.

And I know now you will support the removing all laws that force doctor and hospitals to provide goods and services to those who cannot afford it, right?

No reason to pay the medical of an illegal. Stabilize and deport!

I am not talking about illegals.

I am talking about those who now choose not to buy insurance and then have a catastrophic accident or illness and do not have the cash to pay up front.

If we can all agree it is wrong to force a person to buy a product they do not want I think we could all agree it is wrong to force a person to provide a service or product that cannot be paid for.

What about someone that pays for insurance all their life and never uses it? What a fucking waste and should be criminal…

 

[Rustic]

So, if you do in fact agree it is wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want, do you also agree is wrong to force someone to provide a service/product to someone who cannot afford to pay for it?

What the fk does that mean?

Nonsense

Well let me type really slow for you, then maybe you will understand.

Now, the first part of my sentence was dealing with the mandate that the new tax bill got rid of. We all agree that it is just wrong to force people to buy a product they do not wish to buy.

The second part of my sentence is dealing with the laws in the US that mandate that ER/Hospitals provide care even to those who have no insurance and no ability to pay for the service they are receiving.

So, my question is why is it wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want to buy, why is it also not wrong to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

Lower prices by getting rid of frivolous lawsuits, unnecessary regulations and Mandatory insurance…

 

[Harpy Eagle]

ABSOLUTELY Wtf would you know?

There were state side experiments that were similar to ACA but without the mandate - THEY ALL FAILED. There was other that did have mandate and succeeded.

Not needed? History of such reforms shows otherwise. People have a tendency to be irresponsible, not pay for insurance and become someone else's burden when they get sick.

Fuck the village
No one should forced to pay for other peoples shit...

So when a person with low income has a heart attack we just let them die?

That is what churches/community charitable organizations are for.
Anything done by the federal government is fucked up and will be fucked up

That is a joke, churches keep more than 80% of their offerings for themselves and there are not enough charitable organizations to pay for people's healthcare.

If you buy insurance you will still be paying for them, you are just too stupid to know any better.

Mandated insurance is legalized extortion, and unconstitutional

But you are ok with forcing people/organizations to provide a service/product to people that cannot provide payment. What a good little socialist you make.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

So, if you do in fact agree it is wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want, do you also agree is wrong to force someone to provide a service/product to someone who cannot afford to pay for it?

What the fk does that mean?

Nonsense

Well let me type really slow for you, then maybe you will understand.

Now, the first part of my sentence was dealing with the mandate that the new tax bill got rid of. We all agree that it is just wrong to force people to buy a product they do not wish to buy.

The second part of my sentence is dealing with the laws in the US that mandate that ER/Hospitals provide care even to those who have no insurance and no ability to pay for the service they are receiving.

So, my question is why is it wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want to buy, why is it also not wrong to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

Lower prices by getting rid of frivolous lawsuits, unnecessary regulations and Mandatory insurance…

why is it ok to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

fucking communist.

 

[Rustic]

Fuck the village
No one should forced to pay for other peoples shit...

So when a person with low income has a heart attack we just let them die?

That is what churches/community charitable organizations are for.
Anything done by the federal government is fucked up and will be fucked up

That is a joke, churches keep more than 80% of their offerings for themselves and there are not enough charitable organizations to pay for people's healthcare.

If you buy insurance you will still be paying for them, you are just too stupid to know any better.

Mandated insurance is legalized extortion, and unconstitutional

But you are ok with forcing people/organizations to provide a service/product to people that cannot provide payment. What a good little socialist you make.

Lawyers, doctors, fucked up government regulations and frivolous lawsuits make the prices to high - the prices are unacceptable

 

[Rustic]

So, if you do in fact agree it is wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want, do you also agree is wrong to force someone to provide a service/product to someone who cannot afford to pay for it?

What the fk does that mean?

Nonsense

Well let me type really slow for you, then maybe you will understand.

Now, the first part of my sentence was dealing with the mandate that the new tax bill got rid of. We all agree that it is just wrong to force people to buy a product they do not wish to buy.

The second part of my sentence is dealing with the laws in the US that mandate that ER/Hospitals provide care even to those who have no insurance and no ability to pay for the service they are receiving.

So, my question is why is it wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want to buy, why is it also not wrong to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

Lower prices by getting rid of frivolous lawsuits, unnecessary regulations and Mandatory insurance…

why is it ok to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

fucking communist.

socialized medicine makes healthcare prices too high, they never used to be that way..

 

[AntonToo]

So, if you do in fact agree it is wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want, do you also agree is wrong to force someone to provide a service/product to someone who cannot afford to pay for it?

What the fk does that mean?

Nonsense

Well let me type really slow for you, then maybe you will understand.

Now, the first part of my sentence was dealing with the mandate that the new tax bill got rid of. We all agree that it is just wrong to force people to buy a product they do not wish to buy.

The second part of my sentence is dealing with the laws in the US that mandate that ER/Hospitals provide care even to those who have no insurance and no ability to pay for the service they are receiving.

So, my question is why is it wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want to buy, why is it also not wrong to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

Lower prices by getting rid of frivolous lawsuits, unnecessary regulations and Mandatory insurance…

why is it ok to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

fucking communist.

socialized medicine makes healthcare prices too high, they never used to be that way..

Is that why socialized medicine is so cheap in Canada and England compared to ours?

 

[Coyote]

So, if you do in fact agree it is wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want, do you also agree is wrong to force someone to provide a service/product to someone who cannot afford to pay for it?

What the fk does that mean?

Nonsense

Well let me type really slow for you, then maybe you will understand.

Now, the first part of my sentence was dealing with the mandate that the new tax bill got rid of. We all agree that it is just wrong to force people to buy a product they do not wish to buy.

The second part of my sentence is dealing with the laws in the US that mandate that ER/Hospitals provide care even to those who have no insurance and no ability to pay for the service they are receiving.

So, my question is why is it wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want to buy, why is it also not wrong to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

Lower prices by getting rid of frivolous lawsuits, unnecessary regulations and Mandatory insurance…

why is it ok to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

fucking communist.

socialized medicine makes healthcare prices too high, they never used to be that way..

Is that why socialized medicine is so cheap in Canada and England compared to ours?

The US is unique among civilized countries in that the prevailing politics is - if you can't afford health care, fuck off and die.

 

[Rustic]

So, if you do in fact agree it is wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want, do you also agree is wrong to force someone to provide a service/product to someone who cannot afford to pay for it?

What the fk does that mean?

Nonsense

Well let me type really slow for you, then maybe you will understand.

Now, the first part of my sentence was dealing with the mandate that the new tax bill got rid of. We all agree that it is just wrong to force people to buy a product they do not wish to buy.

The second part of my sentence is dealing with the laws in the US that mandate that ER/Hospitals provide care even to those who have no insurance and no ability to pay for the service they are receiving.

So, my question is why is it wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want to buy, why is it also not wrong to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

Lower prices by getting rid of frivolous lawsuits, unnecessary regulations and Mandatory insurance…

why is it ok to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

fucking communist.

socialized medicine makes healthcare prices too high, they never used to be that way..

Is that why socialized medicine is so cheap in Canada and England compared to ours?

You do realize those countries are so far in debt they will never be able to get out just like us