Bye, bye... evil inspired mandate

[AntonToo]

Well let me type really slow for you, then maybe you will understand.

Now, the first part of my sentence was dealing with the mandate that the new tax bill got rid of. We all agree that it is just wrong to force people to buy a product they do not wish to buy.

The second part of my sentence is dealing with the laws in the US that mandate that ER/Hospitals provide care even to those who have no insurance and no ability to pay for the service they are receiving.

So, my question is why is it wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want to buy, why is it also not wrong to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

Lower prices by getting rid of frivolous lawsuits, unnecessary regulations and Mandatory insurance…

why is it ok to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

fucking communist.

socialized medicine makes healthcare prices too high, they never used to be that way..

Is that why socialized medicine is so cheap in Canada and England compared to ours?

You do realize those countries are so far in debt they will never be able to get out just like us

Dumbass, how the fuck is that a sane reply to a FACT that their socialized medicine is much cheaper?

Just acknowledge that you are wrong and move on instead of embarrassing yourself.

 

[grainbely]

How is it evil inspired?

Obamacare is all about control and nothing to do with healthcare

Maybe according to the fake news right.

One goal of covering everyone was that the huge cost of last minute life saving emergency room visits for uninsured folks would be prevented and the cost of the prevention would be partially paid for by the individual,,,rather than the huge emergency cost being rolled into higher prices for everyone. The goal and result was clearly not control for the sake of it.

The gop has no solution for this problem, which is why they havent come up with a workable plan that addresses it. Some of them would say the person should die if they chose to forgo coverage and got caught.

There are probably only a few ways to get close to full coverage, which I believe is a necessity in the greatest country. One is a mandate, another is universal single payer. Both of these are a push motivation. Choice of being covered or not, is not allowed, because the probabilistic cost of health care should be assigned to those consuming it as much as possible.

A 3rd way would be a natural pull. If the product is cheap enough, and benefits clear enough, most people would opt to purchase it. However, this doesn't happen because the lowest paying jobs don't offer livable wages and also the benefits of price competition don't exist at the low end consumer level in many markets in our economy including this one. Large companies would sooner offer more expensive or similarly priced options when savings from economies of scale are achieved, not actually pass that savings to the consumer via a low cost option. Some folks who are on the fringe also just don't understand the importance of being covered due to poor education.

A 4th way is to require or convincingly incentivize employers to offer health care coverage to all employees. This might be the best option for a lot of reasons, but it would need to extend down to those living off low wages.

Why must the greatest country Have near full health care coverage? Because being born here should put people head and shoulders above the rest of the world. People should be focusing on making money, taking advantage of opportunities, providing for their family rather than whether or not they can afford to go to the doctor and solve a worsening health problem out of pocket. These financial crises severely maim people's lives, particularly at the bottom.

explain the mandate? that's all one needs to understand it was about welfare and wealth distribution. LOL.

Wtf are you talking about? The problem already existed that uninsured folks would use healthcare and incur huge costs that they couldn't pay. Those costs were rolled into higher prices for everyone, therefore you were already paying for them.

Now illegals do that.

Illegals work, pay tax, spend money, more than the right's scapegoat fantasy would let on.

 

[grainbely]

Heritage Foundation is evil?

The mandate is absolutely unconstitutional and unnecessary, the intention behind it is evil...

ABSOLUTELY Wtf would you know?

There were state side experiments that were similar to ACA but without the mandate - THEY ALL FAILED. There was other that did have mandate and succeeded.

Not needed? History of such reforms shows otherwise. People have a tendency to be irresponsible, not pay for insurance and become someone else's burden when they get sick.

Fuck the village
No one should forced to pay for other peoples shit...

Fuck the village? Man, you really want America to go down in a ball of fire, don't you? Your view is very biased. If you are going to be so specific about one person paying for something for another person, you have to expand the thought process to the entire state and federal budget and tax policy. Because there are indirect and direct payments like this happening all the time and it would be narrow of you to pick out just the one that fits your hateful agenda and conveniently ignore the rest.

Socialism is a born loser... it has never been successful in the history of the planet, long term.
Taxing one group people to help another group of people is 100% wrong headed, forced charity really makes no sense. It is not the job of the federal government to pick winners and losers… Fuck the village

Who said anything about socialism? You are saying fuck the village. You wish harm on the village. Very unpatriotic. There are vets out there that lost limbs for you, man. Fuck them? Teachers willingly take careers with lower pay and esteem because they see intrinsic value in educating our kids. Fuck them too? Police and firefighters volunteer to shoulder great risk to keep you safe. Fuck them too? We should throw you over the wall first for being so ungrateful.

 

[grainbely]

So, if you do in fact agree it is wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want, do you also agree is wrong to force someone to provide a service/product to someone who cannot afford to pay for it?

What the fk does that mean?

Nonsense

Well let me type really slow for you, then maybe you will understand.

Now, the first part of my sentence was dealing with the mandate that the new tax bill got rid of. We all agree that it is just wrong to force people to buy a product they do not wish to buy.

The second part of my sentence is dealing with the laws in the US that mandate that ER/Hospitals provide care even to those who have no insurance and no ability to pay for the service they are receiving.

So, my question is why is it wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want to buy, why is it also not wrong to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

Lower prices by getting rid of frivolous lawsuits, unnecessary regulations and Mandatory insurance…

why is it ok to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

fucking communist.

socialized medicine makes healthcare prices too high, they never used to be that way..

Wow we must have had socialized medicine all along then cuz ours was already the most expensive.

 

[grainbely]

Well let me type really slow for you, then maybe you will understand.

Now, the first part of my sentence was dealing with the mandate that the new tax bill got rid of. We all agree that it is just wrong to force people to buy a product they do not wish to buy.

The second part of my sentence is dealing with the laws in the US that mandate that ER/Hospitals provide care even to those who have no insurance and no ability to pay for the service they are receiving.

So, my question is why is it wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want to buy, why is it also not wrong to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

Lower prices by getting rid of frivolous lawsuits, unnecessary regulations and Mandatory insurance…

why is it ok to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

fucking communist.

socialized medicine makes healthcare prices too high, they never used to be that way..

Is that why socialized medicine is so cheap in Canada and England compared to ours?

The US is unique among civilized countries in that the prevailing politics is - if you can't afford health care, fuck off and die.

They won't say the last bit publicly.

 

[Rustic]

Lower prices by getting rid of frivolous lawsuits, unnecessary regulations and Mandatory insurance…

why is it ok to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

fucking communist.

socialized medicine makes healthcare prices too high, they never used to be that way..

Is that why socialized medicine is so cheap in Canada and England compared to ours?

You do realize those countries are so far in debt they will never be able to get out just like us

Dumbass, how the fuck is that a sane reply to a FACT that their socialized medicine is much cheaper?

Just acknowledge that you are wrong and move on instead of embarrassing yourself.

No choice, that is what makes it wrong... No reason to pay for shit you’ll never use

 

[Rustic]

The mandate is absolutely unconstitutional and unnecessary, the intention behind it is evil...

ABSOLUTELY Wtf would you know?

There were state side experiments that were similar to ACA but without the mandate - THEY ALL FAILED. There was other that did have mandate and succeeded.

Not needed? History of such reforms shows otherwise. People have a tendency to be irresponsible, not pay for insurance and become someone else's burden when they get sick.

Fuck the village
No one should forced to pay for other peoples shit...

Fuck the village? Man, you really want America to go down in a ball of fire, don't you? Your view is very biased. If you are going to be so specific about one person paying for something for another person, you have to expand the thought process to the entire state and federal budget and tax policy. Because there are indirect and direct payments like this happening all the time and it would be narrow of you to pick out just the one that fits your hateful agenda and conveniently ignore the rest.

Socialism is a born loser... it has never been successful in the history of the planet, long term.
Taxing one group people to help another group of people is 100% wrong headed, forced charity really makes no sense. It is not the job of the federal government to pick winners and losers… Fuck the village

Who said anything about socialism? You are saying fuck the village. You wish harm on the village. Very unpatriotic. There are vets out there that lost limbs for you, man. Fuck them? Teachers willingly take careers with lower pay and esteem because they see intrinsic value in educating our kids. Fuck them too? Police and firefighters volunteer to shoulder great risk to keep you safe. Fuck them too? We should throw you over the wall first for being so ungrateful.

Of course we need fireman, police and the military, they are an necessary.
It is impossible to have any sort of freedom and individuality in a collective. Fact

 

[Rustic]

So, if you do in fact agree it is wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want, do you also agree is wrong to force someone to provide a service/product to someone who cannot afford to pay for it?

What the fk does that mean?

Nonsense

Well let me type really slow for you, then maybe you will understand.

Now, the first part of my sentence was dealing with the mandate that the new tax bill got rid of. We all agree that it is just wrong to force people to buy a product they do not wish to buy.

The second part of my sentence is dealing with the laws in the US that mandate that ER/Hospitals provide care even to those who have no insurance and no ability to pay for the service they are receiving.

So, my question is why is it wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want to buy, why is it also not wrong to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

Lower prices by getting rid of frivolous lawsuits, unnecessary regulations and Mandatory insurance…

why is it ok to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

fucking communist.

socialized medicine makes healthcare prices too high, they never used to be that way..

Wow we must have had socialized medicine all along then cuz ours was already the most expensive.

The reason they are so costly is because lawyers taking advantage of frivolous lawsuits, And doctors that want to vaccinate for every little ailment causing much greater long-term problems.

 

[grainbely]

ABSOLUTELY Wtf would you know?

There were state side experiments that were similar to ACA but without the mandate - THEY ALL FAILED. There was other that did have mandate and succeeded.

Not needed? History of such reforms shows otherwise. People have a tendency to be irresponsible, not pay for insurance and become someone else's burden when they get sick.

Fuck the village
No one should forced to pay for other peoples shit...

Fuck the village? Man, you really want America to go down in a ball of fire, don't you? Your view is very biased. If you are going to be so specific about one person paying for something for another person, you have to expand the thought process to the entire state and federal budget and tax policy. Because there are indirect and direct payments like this happening all the time and it would be narrow of you to pick out just the one that fits your hateful agenda and conveniently ignore the rest.

Socialism is a born loser... it has never been successful in the history of the planet, long term.
Taxing one group people to help another group of people is 100% wrong headed, forced charity really makes no sense. It is not the job of the federal government to pick winners and losers… Fuck the village

Who said anything about socialism? You are saying fuck the village. You wish harm on the village. Very unpatriotic. There are vets out there that lost limbs for you, man. Fuck them? Teachers willingly take careers with lower pay and esteem because they see intrinsic value in educating our kids. Fuck them too? Police and firefighters volunteer to shoulder great risk to keep you safe. Fuck them too? We should throw you over the wall first for being so ungrateful.

Of course we need fireman, police and the military, they are an necessary.
It is impossible to have any sort of freedom and individuality in a collective. Fact

I hate to break it to you, but we are all tied together whether you like it or not. Economic actions that I take will affect you and vice versa. It's just math. If you need, I can draw you some nice colorful pictures to help you see.

 

[Rustic]

Fuck the village
No one should forced to pay for other peoples shit...

Fuck the village? Man, you really want America to go down in a ball of fire, don't you? Your view is very biased. If you are going to be so specific about one person paying for something for another person, you have to expand the thought process to the entire state and federal budget and tax policy. Because there are indirect and direct payments like this happening all the time and it would be narrow of you to pick out just the one that fits your hateful agenda and conveniently ignore the rest.

Socialism is a born loser... it has never been successful in the history of the planet, long term.
Taxing one group people to help another group of people is 100% wrong headed, forced charity really makes no sense. It is not the job of the federal government to pick winners and losers… Fuck the village

Who said anything about socialism? You are saying fuck the village. You wish harm on the village. Very unpatriotic. There are vets out there that lost limbs for you, man. Fuck them? Teachers willingly take careers with lower pay and esteem because they see intrinsic value in educating our kids. Fuck them too? Police and firefighters volunteer to shoulder great risk to keep you safe. Fuck them too? We should throw you over the wall first for being so ungrateful.

Of course we need fireman, police and the military, they are an necessary.
It is impossible to have any sort of freedom and individuality in a collective. Fact

I hate to break it to you, but we are all tied together whether you like it or not. Economic actions that I take will affect you and vice versa. It's just math. If you need, I can draw you some nice colorful pictures to help you see.

It does not take a village

 

[Harpy Eagle]

So when a person with low income has a heart attack we just let them die?

That is what churches/community charitable organizations are for.
Anything done by the federal government is fucked up and will be fucked up

That is a joke, churches keep more than 80% of their offerings for themselves and there are not enough charitable organizations to pay for people's healthcare.

If you buy insurance you will still be paying for them, you are just too stupid to know any better.

Mandated insurance is legalized extortion, and unconstitutional

But you are ok with forcing people/organizations to provide a service/product to people that cannot provide payment. What a good little socialist you make.

Lawyers, doctors, fucked up government regulations and frivolous lawsuits make the prices to high - the prices are unacceptable

Why are you talking about prices, you want the government to control them also? What kind of a communist are you?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

So, if you do in fact agree it is wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want, do you also agree is wrong to force someone to provide a service/product to someone who cannot afford to pay for it?

What the fk does that mean?

Nonsense

Well let me type really slow for you, then maybe you will understand.

Now, the first part of my sentence was dealing with the mandate that the new tax bill got rid of. We all agree that it is just wrong to force people to buy a product they do not wish to buy.

The second part of my sentence is dealing with the laws in the US that mandate that ER/Hospitals provide care even to those who have no insurance and no ability to pay for the service they are receiving.

So, my question is why is it wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want to buy, why is it also not wrong to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

Lower prices by getting rid of frivolous lawsuits, unnecessary regulations and Mandatory insurance…

why is it ok to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

fucking communist.

socialized medicine makes healthcare prices too high, they never used to be that way..

What is more socialist than forcing an individual/organization to provide a service/product they know they will not get paid for? Why are you ok with this happening?

 

[Rustic]

That is what churches/community charitable organizations are for.
Anything done by the federal government is fucked up and will be fucked up

That is a joke, churches keep more than 80% of their offerings for themselves and there are not enough charitable organizations to pay for people's healthcare.

If you buy insurance you will still be paying for them, you are just too stupid to know any better.

Mandated insurance is legalized extortion, and unconstitutional

But you are ok with forcing people/organizations to provide a service/product to people that cannot provide payment. What a good little socialist you make.

Lawyers, doctors, fucked up government regulations and frivolous lawsuits make the prices to high - the prices are unacceptable

Why are you talking about prices, you want the government to control them also? What kind of a communist are you?

Political correctness dictates the prices now... frivolous lawsuits and all.

 

[Rustic]

So, if you do in fact agree it is wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want, do you also agree is wrong to force someone to provide a service/product to someone who cannot afford to pay for it?

What the fk does that mean?

Nonsense

Well let me type really slow for you, then maybe you will understand.

Now, the first part of my sentence was dealing with the mandate that the new tax bill got rid of. We all agree that it is just wrong to force people to buy a product they do not wish to buy.

The second part of my sentence is dealing with the laws in the US that mandate that ER/Hospitals provide care even to those who have no insurance and no ability to pay for the service they are receiving.

So, my question is why is it wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want to buy, why is it also not wrong to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

Lower prices by getting rid of frivolous lawsuits, unnecessary regulations and Mandatory insurance…

why is it ok to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

fucking communist.

socialized medicine makes healthcare prices too high, they never used to be that way..

What is more socialist than forcing an individual/organization to provide a service/product they know they will not get paid for? Why are you ok with this happening?

I don’t expect anyone else to pay for my shit, no excuses.
Paying for shit that might happen makes no sense, and insurance is like throwing money away.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

That is a joke, churches keep more than 80% of their offerings for themselves and there are not enough charitable organizations to pay for people's healthcare.

If you buy insurance you will still be paying for them, you are just too stupid to know any better.

Mandated insurance is legalized extortion, and unconstitutional

But you are ok with forcing people/organizations to provide a service/product to people that cannot provide payment. What a good little socialist you make.

Lawyers, doctors, fucked up government regulations and frivolous lawsuits make the prices to high - the prices are unacceptable

Why are you talking about prices, you want the government to control them also? What kind of a communist are you?

Political correctness dictates the prices now... frivolous lawsuits and all.

Do you want the government to control the prices instead?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Well let me type really slow for you, then maybe you will understand.

Now, the first part of my sentence was dealing with the mandate that the new tax bill got rid of. We all agree that it is just wrong to force people to buy a product they do not wish to buy.

The second part of my sentence is dealing with the laws in the US that mandate that ER/Hospitals provide care even to those who have no insurance and no ability to pay for the service they are receiving.

So, my question is why is it wrong to force someone to buy a product they do not want to buy, why is it also not wrong to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

Lower prices by getting rid of frivolous lawsuits, unnecessary regulations and Mandatory insurance…

why is it ok to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

fucking communist.

socialized medicine makes healthcare prices too high, they never used to be that way..

What is more socialist than forcing an individual/organization to provide a service/product they know they will not get paid for? Why are you ok with this happening?

I don’t expect anyone else to pay for my shit, no excuses.
Paying for shit that might happen makes no sense, and insurance is like throwing money away.

What you expect is not relevant, what is relevant is that you support people being forced to provide a service/product that they know cannot be paid for.

 

[Rustic]

The concept of insurance(paying into a pool) is a born failure, because there is a 100% chance it will abused 100% of the time.
And even worse with the federal government Delegating/controlling the whole thing, that’s all. Kinds of fucked up. Lol

 

[Rustic]

Mandated insurance is legalized extortion, and unconstitutional

But you are ok with forcing people/organizations to provide a service/product to people that cannot provide payment. What a good little socialist you make.

Lawyers, doctors, fucked up government regulations and frivolous lawsuits make the prices to high - the prices are unacceptable

Why are you talking about prices, you want the government to control them also? What kind of a communist are you?

Political correctness dictates the prices now... frivolous lawsuits and all.

Do you want the government to control the prices instead?

No, free market competition

 

[Rustic]

Lower prices by getting rid of frivolous lawsuits, unnecessary regulations and Mandatory insurance…

why is it ok to force a person/organization to provide a service or a product to someone who has no way to pay for it.

How would you like it if the government came to the 7/11 you are working at and told you that you had to give food to the hungry even if they had no money to pay for it?

fucking communist.

socialized medicine makes healthcare prices too high, they never used to be that way..

What is more socialist than forcing an individual/organization to provide a service/product they know they will not get paid for? Why are you ok with this happening?

I don’t expect anyone else to pay for my shit, no excuses.
Paying for shit that might happen makes no sense, and insurance is like throwing money away.

What you expect is not relevant, what is relevant is that you support people being forced to provide a service/product that they know cannot be paid for.

Free market competition nationwide...

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The concept of insurance(paying into a pool) is a born failure, because there is a 100% chance it will abused 100% of the time.
And even worse with the federal government Delegating/controlling the whole thing, that’s all. Kinds of fucked up. Lol

You pay into a pool for a lot of things you never use, why not start crying about them also? You pay into a pool for roads you have never driven on, for fire protection you have never used, and on an on.

I think you are very selective in what you whine about.