Canada's middle class Is better than ours. This is despite...

[thereisnospoon]

This fucking asshole's last 15 threads have the same theme. How other countries do it better than the US. Yet this sweat from a baboon's balls is still living here dreaming of a socialist utopia.....

You're a fucking doofus if you think America is best country in the world. Sure, it used to be, but it definitely isn't now. Your hard on for patriotism does nothing to change that.

I have come to the conclusion your only purpose here is to complain.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out....

I can easily elaborate with actual facts.

40 pages of this thread and you have been holding back facts?..Tell me Elroy, when were you going to get to those?
Ya know what? It doesn't matter. You're nothing but a chronic complainer. Just pick a country and go....

 

[Dragonlady]

The current tax code uses earned income credits to take money from the middle class and give it to the wealthy.

The EITC gives money to the working poor.

At whose expense, and to whose benefit. Middle class taxpayers are subsidizing the profits of some of the USA largest corporations through EITC. Every American taxpayer contributes $2,500 to Walmart's bottom line through EITC, Medicaid and food stamps. If Walmart increased wages by $100 a week, they would still be a very profitable company, just not one of the most profitable companies in the US, and their workers wouldn't qualify for social assistance.

 

[Dragonlady]

5 is a god damn lie. If you are a working canadian making around $100k you pay approximately .54 cents of every dollar for that healthcare that you can't use for up to a year when it is a serious procedure needed. Canada has treated citizens so bad for so long now the lives of our cattle would be an improvement for them.

Bullshit. And I say this as a Canadian. Canadians outlive Americans by an average of nearly 3 years. That's how bad our healthcare is. And we pay a lot less for our healthcare insurance than you. Our full coverage family plan with supplemental and basic coverage was less than $3000 per year.

Wait a minute. You did not address the 54% tax rate the average Canadian pays.....
As far as life expectancy is concerned, who cares. We have 10 times the population. The two cannot be compared.
Your avg life expectancy has nothing to do with whether or not your country has single payer and ours does not.
US cities have a much higher violent crime rate. We are populated with a percentage of our population that engage is foolish irresponsible behavior. We cover 50 times the vehicle miles of Canada,.
Why do you bother posting here? What goes on in the US is none of your business.

What goes on in the US is very much our business. If your economy sneezes, our economy wakes up with a recession. I lost the best job I every had because of W's global economic meltdown.

The average middle class Canadian does not pay 54% tax rate. Average tax rate is 30.5%, which is what I pay. Our highest tax rate is 33% on income over $200M.

Canadian income tax rates for individuals - current and previous years

Tax Freedom Day in Canada was June 6th, as determined by the Fraser Institute for all taxes paid by Canadians to all levels of government. So no Canadians, are not paying paying 54% of their income in taxes. Another right wing lie, but thanks for playing.

If you factor in health care costs, Canadians pay less for taxes and health care, than Americans. Our tax dollars are spent on health, education and infrastructure, not wars and corporate welfare.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The current tax code uses earned income credits to take money from the middle class and give it to the wealthy.

The EITC gives money to the working poor.

At whose expense, and to whose benefit. Middle class taxpayers are subsidizing the profits of some of the USA largest corporations through EITC. Every American taxpayer contributes $2,500 to Walmart's bottom line through EITC, Medicaid and food stamps. If Walmart increased wages by $100 a week, they would still be a very profitable company, just not one of the most profitable companies in the US, and their workers wouldn't qualify for social assistance.

At whose expense, and to whose benefit.

At the expense of taxpayers, to the benefit of the working poor.

Every American taxpayer contributes $2,500 to Walmart's bottom line through EITC, Medicaid and food stamps.

Your math needs some backup.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The current tax code uses earned income credits to take money from the middle class and give it to the wealthy.

The EITC gives money to the working poor.

At whose expense, and to whose benefit. Middle class taxpayers are subsidizing the profits of some of the USA largest corporations through EITC. Every American taxpayer contributes $2,500 to Walmart's bottom line through EITC, Medicaid and food stamps. If Walmart increased wages by $100 a week, they would still be a very profitable company, just not one of the most profitable companies in the US, and their workers wouldn't qualify for social assistance.

Uhh. who told you these things?.....
Look, you're a flaming lib. In your view, "profit" is a criminal offense.
Now, you are Canadian. You live in Canada. What we do here is none of your business.
In fact go start a canadianmessageboard.ca....Newsflash....Your opinion doesn't matter. And because you are not a US citizen, you have no right to an opinion about what goes on here. So in the words of a Canuck....BUGGER OFF....

 

[thereisnospoon]

The current tax code uses earned income credits to take money from the middle class and give it to the wealthy.

The EITC gives money to the working poor.

At whose expense, and to whose benefit. Middle class taxpayers are subsidizing the profits of some of the USA largest corporations through EITC. Every American taxpayer contributes $2,500 to Walmart's bottom line through EITC, Medicaid and food stamps. If Walmart increased wages by $100 a week, they would still be a very profitable company, just not one of the most profitable companies in the US, and their workers wouldn't qualify for social assistance.

At whose expense, and to whose benefit.

At the expense of taxpayers, to the benefit of the working poor.

Every American taxpayer contributes $2,500 to Walmart's bottom line through EITC, Medicaid and food stamps.

Your math needs some backup.

the dragon twat is just standing in the middle of a crowded room shrieking at the top of her lungs. Typical liberal.

 

[Dragonlady]

The current tax code uses earned income credits to take money from the middle class and give it to the wealthy.

The EITC gives money to the working poor.

At whose expense, and to whose benefit. Middle class taxpayers are subsidizing the profits of some of the USA largest corporations through EITC. Every American taxpayer contributes $2,500 to Walmart's bottom line through EITC, Medicaid and food stamps. If Walmart increased wages by $100 a week, they would still be a very profitable company, just not one of the most profitable companies in the US, and their workers wouldn't qualify for social assistance.

At whose expense, and to whose benefit.

At the expense of taxpayers, to the benefit of the working poor.

Every American taxpayer contributes $2,500 to Walmart's bottom line through EITC, Medicaid and food stamps.

Your math needs some backup.

the dragon twat is just standing in the middle of a crowded room shrieking at the top of her lungs. Typical liberal.

You're the one shrieking. I post facts and links to back them up. I use links to right wing or government sources because you idiots won't believe shit otherwise:

Report: Walmart Workers Cost Taxpayers $6.2 Billion In Public Assistance

And even after all of that, you post your Fox News lies as truth.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The current tax code uses earned income credits to take money from the middle class and give it to the wealthy.

The EITC gives money to the working poor.

At whose expense, and to whose benefit. Middle class taxpayers are subsidizing the profits of some of the USA largest corporations through EITC. Every American taxpayer contributes $2,500 to Walmart's bottom line through EITC, Medicaid and food stamps. If Walmart increased wages by $100 a week, they would still be a very profitable company, just not one of the most profitable companies in the US, and their workers wouldn't qualify for social assistance.

At whose expense, and to whose benefit.

At the expense of taxpayers, to the benefit of the working poor.

Every American taxpayer contributes $2,500 to Walmart's bottom line through EITC, Medicaid and food stamps.

Your math needs some backup.

the dragon twat is just standing in the middle of a crowded room shrieking at the top of her lungs. Typical liberal.

Plus, she has really bad stats. Over 140 million US taxpayers. Times $2500 = $350 billion "to Walmart's bottom line". Neat trick adding $350 billion in profit to a company that only made $14.7 billion last year.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The current tax code uses earned income credits to take money from the middle class and give it to the wealthy.

The EITC gives money to the working poor.

At whose expense, and to whose benefit. Middle class taxpayers are subsidizing the profits of some of the USA largest corporations through EITC. Every American taxpayer contributes $2,500 to Walmart's bottom line through EITC, Medicaid and food stamps. If Walmart increased wages by $100 a week, they would still be a very profitable company, just not one of the most profitable companies in the US, and their workers wouldn't qualify for social assistance.

At whose expense, and to whose benefit.

At the expense of taxpayers, to the benefit of the working poor.

Every American taxpayer contributes $2,500 to Walmart's bottom line through EITC, Medicaid and food stamps.

Your math needs some backup.

the dragon twat is just standing in the middle of a crowded room shrieking at the top of her lungs. Typical liberal.

You're the one shrieking. I post facts and links to back them up. I use links to right wing or government sources because you idiots won't believe shit otherwise:

Report: Walmart Workers Cost Taxpayers $6.2 Billion In Public Assistance

And even after all of that, you post your Fox News lies as truth.

If WalMart fired all the workers getting public assistance, would government spend more or less on those people?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

At whose expense, and to whose benefit. Middle class taxpayers are subsidizing the profits of some of the USA largest corporations through EITC. Every American taxpayer contributes $2,500 to Walmart's bottom line through EITC, Medicaid and food stamps. If Walmart increased wages by $100 a week, they would still be a very profitable company, just not one of the most profitable companies in the US, and their workers wouldn't qualify for social assistance.

So that's Walmart's fault and not the politicians? Who gives them those benefits, Walmart?

Walmart doesn't cost the taxpayer one red cent. It's our politicians that give and increase benefits to those people where the cost sets in. Minimum wage and low paying jobs is not anything new here. Those jobs have been here for generations. The difference is that people years ago didn't have government subsidize their laziness. If you worked a low paying job and couldn't make ends meet, you just worked more hours. If your job didn't have more hours to work, you got two jobs.

Many times in my life I had two jobs. At one time, three jobs. You did what you could to keep a roof over your head and food in the fridge. You didn't rely on government. Smart phones, satellite television and internet service were not considered necessities. Food and utilities were considered necessities.

As a truck driver I spend a lot of time in industrial complexes. Each and every one is loaded with HELP WANTED signs on the lawns. Employers can't find people to work because so many of them are on food stamps, Obama Care, and living in the suburbs in a HUD home. Walmart didn't create this situation.

 

[doctordog]

5 is a god damn lie. If you are a working canadian making around $100k you pay approximately .54 cents of every dollar for that healthcare that you can't use for up to a year when it is a serious procedure needed. Canada has treated citizens so bad for so long now the lives of our cattle would be an improvement for them.

Bullshit. And I say this as a Canadian. Canadians outlive Americans by an average of nearly 3 years. That's how bad our healthcare is. And we pay a lot less for our healthcare insurance than you. Our full coverage family plan with supplemental and basic coverage was less than $3000 per year.

Wait a minute. You did not address the 54% tax rate the average Canadian pays.....
As far as life expectancy is concerned, who cares. We have 10 times the population. The two cannot be compared.
Your avg life expectancy has nothing to do with whether or not your country has single payer and ours does not.
US cities have a much higher violent crime rate. We are populated with a percentage of our population that engage is foolish irresponsible behavior. We cover 50 times the vehicle miles of Canada,.
Why do you bother posting here? What goes on in the US is none of your business.

What goes on in the US is very much our business. If your economy sneezes, our economy wakes up with a recession. I lost the best job I every had because of W's global economic meltdown.

The average middle class Canadian does not pay 54% tax rate. Average tax rate is 30.5%, which is what I pay. Our highest tax rate is 33% on income over $200M.

Canadian income tax rates for individuals - current and previous years

Tax Freedom Day in Canada was June 6th, as determined by the Fraser Institute for all taxes paid by Canadians to all levels of government. So no Canadians, are not paying paying 54% of their income in taxes. Another right wing lie, but thanks for playing.

If you factor in health care costs, Canadians pay less for taxes and health care, than Americans. Our tax dollars are spent on health, education and infrastructure, not wars and corporate welfare.

You are not including the cost of healthcare in your figures which is another 21-23% depending on income, and you lost your job because you were a low performer. Many companies trimmed the fat during the turndown, I know that is hard to accept for you.

 

[doctordog]

this from the Huffington Post bashing Canadian Healthcare, when liberal rag bashes Canada you know it has to be bad..LOL

'Free' Health Care in Canada Costs More Than It's Worth

 

[Dragonlady]

5 is a god damn lie. If you are a working canadian making around $100k you pay approximately .54 cents of every dollar for that healthcare that you can't use for up to a year when it is a serious procedure needed. Canada has treated citizens so bad for so long now the lives of our cattle would be an improvement for them.

Bullshit. And I say this as a Canadian. Canadians outlive Americans by an average of nearly 3 years. That's how bad our healthcare is. And we pay a lot less for our healthcare insurance than you. Our full coverage family plan with supplemental and basic coverage was less than $3000 per year.

Wait a minute. You did not address the 54% tax rate the average Canadian pays.....
As far as life expectancy is concerned, who cares. We have 10 times the population. The two cannot be compared.
Your avg life expectancy has nothing to do with whether or not your country has single payer and ours does not.
US cities have a much higher violent crime rate. We are populated with a percentage of our population that engage is foolish irresponsible behavior. We cover 50 times the vehicle miles of Canada,.
Why do you bother posting here? What goes on in the US is none of your business.

What goes on in the US is very much our business. If your economy sneezes, our economy wakes up with a recession. I lost the best job I every had because of W's global economic meltdown.

The average middle class Canadian does not pay 54% tax rate. Average tax rate is 30.5%, which is what I pay. Our highest tax rate is 33% on income over $200M.

Canadian income tax rates for individuals - current and previous years

Tax Freedom Day in Canada was June 6th, as determined by the Fraser Institute for all taxes paid by Canadians to all levels of government. So no Canadians, are not paying paying 54% of their income in taxes. Another right wing lie, but thanks for playing.

If you factor in health care costs, Canadians pay less for taxes and health care, than Americans. Our tax dollars are spent on health, education and infrastructure, not wars and corporate welfare.

You are not including the cost of healthcare in your figures which is another 21-23% depending on income, and you lost your job because you were a low performer. Many companies trimmed the fat during the turndown, I know that is hard to accept for you.

No, I was let go because I was an expensive older worker, and I had been there less than 5 years. I was a high performer, but with little seniority, which made me cheaper to let go than a lower performing worker who had been there 15 years.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

5 is a god damn lie. If you are a working canadian making around $100k you pay approximately .54 cents of every dollar for that healthcare that you can't use for up to a year when it is a serious procedure needed. Canada has treated citizens so bad for so long now the lives of our cattle would be an improvement for them.

Bullshit. And I say this as a Canadian. Canadians outlive Americans by an average of nearly 3 years. That's how bad our healthcare is. And we pay a lot less for our healthcare insurance than you. Our full coverage family plan with supplemental and basic coverage was less than $3000 per year.

Wait a minute. You did not address the 54% tax rate the average Canadian pays.....
As far as life expectancy is concerned, who cares. We have 10 times the population. The two cannot be compared.
Your avg life expectancy has nothing to do with whether or not your country has single payer and ours does not.
US cities have a much higher violent crime rate. We are populated with a percentage of our population that engage is foolish irresponsible behavior. We cover 50 times the vehicle miles of Canada,.
Why do you bother posting here? What goes on in the US is none of your business.

What goes on in the US is very much our business. If your economy sneezes, our economy wakes up with a recession. I lost the best job I every had because of W's global economic meltdown.

The average middle class Canadian does not pay 54% tax rate. Average tax rate is 30.5%, which is what I pay. Our highest tax rate is 33% on income over $200M.

Canadian income tax rates for individuals - current and previous years

Tax Freedom Day in Canada was June 6th, as determined by the Fraser Institute for all taxes paid by Canadians to all levels of government. So no Canadians, are not paying paying 54% of their income in taxes. Another right wing lie, but thanks for playing.

If you factor in health care costs, Canadians pay less for taxes and health care, than Americans. Our tax dollars are spent on health, education and infrastructure, not wars and corporate welfare.

You are not including the cost of healthcare in your figures which is another 21-23% depending on income, and you lost your job because you were a low performer. Many companies trimmed the fat during the turndown, I know that is hard to accept for you.

No, I was let go because I was an expensive older worker, and I had been there less than 5 years. I was a high performer, but with little seniority, which made me cheaper to let go than a lower performing worker who had been there 15 years.

It could have been due in part to your weak math skills.....

 

[paulitician]

I really like Canada and Canadians. Seems like a pretty chilled out country. I never met a Canadian i didn't like. They're always polite and good natured. They don't seem to be so uptight and violent, like Americans are.

I really would move there if it wasn't so damn cold. I am thinkin about British Columbia though. I heard it's not as cold and doesn't get too much snow. I'm thinkin about it. I might end up there. Who knows?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

this from the Huffington Post bashing Canadian Healthcare, when liberal rag bashes Canada you know it has to be bad..LOL

'Free' Health Care in Canada Costs More Than It's Worth

I guess it depends on who you ask.

We get a lot of Canadian truck drivers here in Cleveland, and when we are waiting to get unloaded, I always bring up healthcare.

Younger and middle-aged drivers can't say enough about the Canadian system. They swear they could never have it better. The older drivers tell a different story.

Long waiting times for serious treatments and surgeries. Same goes for rehab and follow-ups. One driver told me that as many problems and expenses that we have in the US with our system, keep it. He said the Canadian system is the best until you get older. Then you pay for all that convince and no cost treatments.

 

[thereisnospoon]

5 is a god damn lie. If you are a working canadian making around $100k you pay approximately .54 cents of every dollar for that healthcare that you can't use for up to a year when it is a serious procedure needed. Canada has treated citizens so bad for so long now the lives of our cattle would be an improvement for them.

Bullshit. And I say this as a Canadian. Canadians outlive Americans by an average of nearly 3 years. That's how bad our healthcare is. And we pay a lot less for our healthcare insurance than you. Our full coverage family plan with supplemental and basic coverage was less than $3000 per year.

Wait a minute. You did not address the 54% tax rate the average Canadian pays.....
As far as life expectancy is concerned, who cares. We have 10 times the population. The two cannot be compared.
Your avg life expectancy has nothing to do with whether or not your country has single payer and ours does not.
US cities have a much higher violent crime rate. We are populated with a percentage of our population that engage is foolish irresponsible behavior. We cover 50 times the vehicle miles of Canada,.
Why do you bother posting here? What goes on in the US is none of your business.

What goes on in the US is very much our business. If your economy sneezes, our economy wakes up with a recession. I lost the best job I every had because of W's global economic meltdown.

The average middle class Canadian does not pay 54% tax rate. Average tax rate is 30.5%, which is what I pay. Our highest tax rate is 33% on income over $200M.

Canadian income tax rates for individuals - current and previous years

Tax Freedom Day in Canada was June 6th, as determined by the Fraser Institute for all taxes paid by Canadians to all levels of government. So no Canadians, are not paying paying 54% of their income in taxes. Another right wing lie, but thanks for playing.

If you factor in health care costs, Canadians pay less for taxes and health care, than Americans. Our tax dollars are spent on health, education and infrastructure, not wars and corporate welfare.

Global meltdown? BULLSHIT....From a Canadian friend of mine, Canada's economy was relatively unscathed. Your government unlike ours DOES not monetize it's debt. The CDN federal government did not interfere with the real estate market. Stop blaming others for your job problems....
Canada taxes are confiscatory...Canadian income tax rates for individuals - current and previous years
No it isn't.....There's a border there. Two separate and distinct governments. Two separate distinct economies.......Your politics has nothing to do with ours..
Lastly, you can't vote in our elections....So butt out....Concerning our country, you no right to an opinion....

 

[Agit8r]

1) Canada having a higher minimum wage

2) Canada having a higher tax rate on the wealthy

3) Canada having Widespread unions

4) Canada having strong bank regulations

5) Canada having free healthcare

What is a "better middle class"? What does that even mean?
I sense another spectacular Billy Fail Thread coming.

It means that they have more control over their own fate, because their government isn't bought and sold in the marketplace like our farcical travesty is.

 

[The Rabbi]

1) Canada having a higher minimum wage

2) Canada having a higher tax rate on the wealthy

3) Canada having Widespread unions

4) Canada having strong bank regulations

5) Canada having free healthcare

What is a "better middle class"? What does that even mean?
I sense another spectacular Billy Fail Thread coming.

It means that they have more control over their own fate, because their government isn't bought and sold in the marketplace like our farcical travesty is.

Of course you have no proof for any of those assertions.
Do you think big companies in Canada don't have influence on the government? LOL!!!

 

[Dragonlady]

5 is a god damn lie. If you are a working canadian making around $100k you pay approximately .54 cents of every dollar for that healthcare that you can't use for up to a year when it is a serious procedure needed. Canada has treated citizens so bad for so long now the lives of our cattle would be an improvement for them.

Bullshit. And I say this as a Canadian. Canadians outlive Americans by an average of nearly 3 years. That's how bad our healthcare is. And we pay a lot less for our healthcare insurance than you. Our full coverage family plan with supplemental and basic coverage was less than $3000 per year.

Wait a minute. You did not address the 54% tax rate the average Canadian pays.....
As far as life expectancy is concerned, who cares. We have 10 times the population. The two cannot be compared.
Your avg life expectancy has nothing to do with whether or not your country has single payer and ours does not.
US cities have a much higher violent crime rate. We are populated with a percentage of our population that engage is foolish irresponsible behavior. We cover 50 times the vehicle miles of Canada,.
Why do you bother posting here? What goes on in the US is none of your business.

What goes on in the US is very much our business. If your economy sneezes, our economy wakes up with a recession. I lost the best job I every had because of W's global economic meltdown.

The average middle class Canadian does not pay 54% tax rate. Average tax rate is 30.5%, which is what I pay. Our highest tax rate is 33% on income over $200M.

Canadian income tax rates for individuals - current and previous years

Tax Freedom Day in Canada was June 6th, as determined by the Fraser Institute for all taxes paid by Canadians to all levels of government. So no Canadians, are not paying paying 54% of their income in taxes. Another right wing lie, but thanks for playing.

If you factor in health care costs, Canadians pay less for taxes and health care, than Americans. Our tax dollars are spent on health, education and infrastructure, not wars and corporate welfare.

Global meltdown? BULLSHIT....From a Canadian friend of mine, Canada's economy was relatively unscathed. Your government unlike ours DOES not monetize it's debt. The CDN federal government did not interfere with the real estate market. Stop blaming others for your job problems....
Canada taxes are confiscatory...Canadian income tax rates for individuals - current and previous years
No it isn't.....There's a border there. Two separate and distinct governments. Two separate distinct economies.......Your politics has nothing to do with ours..
Lastly, you can't vote in our elections....So butt out....Concerning our country, you no right to an opinion....

The word is "relatively". Certain segments of the economy got hit hard, one of them being big real estate firms. The large Toronto law firm, Fraser Beatty, which had been open since the late 1800's, closed its doors. My lawyer had a $220 million dollar deal with a US buyer, signed in October 2008, that died during the due diligence period, because US banks weren't funding real estate. The lawyer had three full-time clerks and two secretaries. I had the least seniority of the 5. I'm told, by more than one person, that he begged to keep me. Our firm laid off 10% of their support staff.

Commericial real estate and corporate mergers took a huge hit as banks tightened up. And companies were understandably nervous about moving or making any big investments. In 2008 and 2009 every law firm on Bay Street, tightened their belts, especially in their corporate/commercial and real estate departments. And many went out of business or merged.