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The real problem here is that the ACA bill was passed on a strickly partisan basis with no bi-partisan discussion or debate, no public debate, nothing on c-span as obama promised. Passed in the dark of night on Christmas eve before anyone had a chance to read it.
It was written in a sealed room by dem staffers and is full of pork and taxes that have nothing to do with medicine.
It is a terrible law passed in a corrupt manner.
As usual, you're flat out wrong. But please, don't let that stop you.
LOL - "strickly"
please excuse my typo, idiot.
now, tell us when there was bi-partisan debate and discussion on the ACA bill--not the general topic of healthcare, the specific bill that was passed by the dems and signed by obama.
Can't can you?
No need to apologize, we know who and what you are.
Massachusetts implemented RomneyCare in 2006. As a result, that state now has the highest per capita healthcare costs in the country.
Five years after its implementation, 60 percent of those polled said it needed fixes.
This all sounds like it would doom RomneyCare, and ObamaCare by extension.
Nevertheless, 74 percent said they wanted to keep RomneyCare around. This is the part that is ignored by, or unknown to, opponents.
So it will be with ObamaCare.
And a further point always ignored? The constituents in that state actually voted for Romneycare - they did not have it forced on them such as Obamacare was all Americans.
Romney ran on repealing the ACA, his defeat was the vote in support of the ACA.
I have never said the crisis warranted destroying the entire system. I utterly oppose ObamaCare.
But we did have a crisis that needed action. And the GOP is guilty of inaction when they had all the opportunity in the world to implement some free market solutions.
They are all the more guilty because the Democrats were plainly signaling what they would do if they got the chance, and still they did nothing.
The real problem here is that the ACA bill was passed on a strickly partisan basis with no bi-partisan discussion or debate, no public debate, nothing on c-span as obama promised. Passed in the dark of night on Christmas eve before anyone had a chance to read it.
It was written in a sealed room by dem staffers and is full of pork and taxes that have nothing to do with medicine.
It is a terrible law passed in a corrupt manner.
As usual, you're flat out wrong. But please, don't let that stop you.
LOL - "strickly"
Instead, Democratic aides said the final compromise talks would essentially be a three-way negotiation involving top Democrats in the House and Senate and the White House, a structure that gives unusual latitude to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California.
thats some funny shit
You are living in denial. I've known that for a while.
The evidence speaks for itself.
Hillarycare was the same fiasco as obamacare. The GOP did the right thing in opposing both of them.
The GOp has made some sensible suggestions to fix the problems that we have with medicine, mainly that it has gotten too expensive. But the dems and libs are not really interested in fixing the problems with the current system, they are determined to ram socialized medicine up our butts even though a large majority of americans do not want it.
And a further point always ignored? The constituents in that state actually voted for Romneycare - they did not have it forced on them such as Obamacare was all Americans.
Romney ran on repealing the ACA, his defeat was the vote in support of the ACA.
total fantasy. Romney lost because the media slandered him, the dems ran a better campaign, and conservatives stayed home.
the 2012 election was NOT a referendum on ACA. If it was, Romney would have won because at that time 65% of americans did not support it.
As usual, you're flat out wrong. But please, don't let that stop you.
LOL - "strickly"
please excuse my typo, idiot.
now, tell us when there was bi-partisan debate and discussion on the ACA bill--not the general topic of healthcare, the specific bill that was passed by the dems and signed by obama.
Can't can you?
No need to apologize, we know who and what you are.
The was a great deal of debate over the ACA. Remember Palin's "death panels". That was about a provision in the ACA. A provision that was withdrawn because of her retarded comment.
The GOP also offered up a lot of amendments to the bill.
Don't be rewriting recent history.
please excuse my typo, idiot.
now, tell us when there was bi-partisan debate and discussion on the ACA bill--not the general topic of healthcare, the specific bill that was passed by the dems and signed by obama.
Can't can you?
No need to apologize, we know who and what you are.
The was a great deal of debate over the ACA. Remember Palin's "death panels". That was about a provision in the ACA. A provision that was withdrawn because of her retarded comment.
The GOP also offered up a lot of amendments to the bill.
Don't be rewriting recent history.
There was no debate on the floor of the house or senate---NONE, ZERO. ZILCH. Pelosi and reid would not allow any republican amendments, did not allow any open debate, forced the vote on Christmas eve, and rammed it through before anyone, including them, knew what was in it.
You are the one attempting to rewrite history.
You are living in denial. I've known that for a while.
The evidence speaks for itself.
Hillarycare was the same fiasco as obamacare. The GOP did the right thing in opposing both of them.
The GOp has made some sensible suggestions to fix the problems that we have with medicine, mainly that it has gotten too expensive. But the dems and libs are not really interested in fixing the problems with the current system, they are determined to ram socialized medicine up our butts even though a large majority of americans do not want it.
No..neither was the "fiasco".
The actual fiasco is thinking that the majority of Americans do not want socialized health care.
They do..and they keep sending people to Washington to make it happen.
The was a great deal of debate over the ACA. Remember Palin's "death panels". That was about a provision in the ACA. A provision that was withdrawn because of her retarded comment.
The GOP also offered up a lot of amendments to the bill.
Don't be rewriting recent history.
There was no debate on the floor of the house or senate---NONE, ZERO. ZILCH. Pelosi and reid would not allow any republican amendments, did not allow any open debate, forced the vote on Christmas eve, and rammed it through before anyone, including them, knew what was in it.
You are the one attempting to rewrite history.
That was the final version. You are being disingenuos as hell. There were months of debates before the final version was passed.
Please tell us what was in the final version that was not available for debate prior to that evening. Please tell us what amendments the Republicans were not able to submit.
The was a great deal of debate over the ACA. Remember Palin's "death panels". That was about a provision in the ACA. A provision that was withdrawn because of her retarded comment.
The GOP also offered up a lot of amendments to the bill.
Don't be rewriting recent history.
There was no debate on the floor of the house or senate---NONE, ZERO. ZILCH. Pelosi and reid would not allow any republican amendments, did not allow any open debate, forced the vote on Christmas eve, and rammed it through before anyone, including them, knew what was in it.
You are the one attempting to rewrite history.
That was the final version. You are being disingenuos as hell. There were months of debates before the final version was passed.
Please tell us what was in the final version that was not available for debate prior to that evening. Please tell us what amendments the Republicans were not able to submit.
No less than 101 amendments were submitted to the Rules Committee, and no less than 10 amendments were submitted to the Budget Committee.
Here is the GOP's own list of amendments they submitted to the ACA: http://rsc.scalise.house.gov/uploadedfiles/gop_amendments_submitted_to_hr_4872--8.31.10.pdf
No less than 101 amendments were submitted to the Rules Committee, and no less than 10 amendments were submitted to the Budget Committee.
Several GOP amendments were included in the final legislation.
This "shut out of the debates" bullshit is just that. We were all around at the time and well remember the debates and the haggling and arguing that took place over the course of a year over this legislation.
The real problem here is that the ACA bill was passed on a strickly partisan basis with no bi-partisan discussion or debate, no public debate, nothing on c-span as obama promised. Passed in the dark of night on Christmas eve before anyone had a chance to read it.
It was written in a sealed room by dem staffers and is full of pork and taxes that have nothing to do with medicine.
It is a terrible law passed in a corrupt manner.
As usual, you're flat out wrong. But please, don't let that stop you.
LOL - "strickly"
who is flat out wrong? Think you might want to research the facts and apologize -
Instead, Democratic aides said the final compromise talks would essentially be a three-way negotiation involving top Democrats in the House and Senate and the White House, a structure that gives unusual latitude to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California.
Democrats plan to fast-track final health care bill to shut out GOP opponents - The Boston Globe
Here is the GOP's own list of amendments they submitted to the ACA: http://rsc.scalise.house.gov/uploadedfiles/gop_amendments_submitted_to_hr_4872--8.31.10.pdf
No less than 101 amendments were submitted to the Rules Committee, and no less than 10 amendments were submitted to the Budget Committee.
Several GOP amendments were included in the final legislation.
This "shut out of the debates" bullshit is just that. We were all around at the time and well remember the debates and the haggling and arguing that took place over the course of a year over this legislation.
Yes, there was general discussion on the subject of healthcare.
The point is that there was no debate or discussion or amendments allowed on the bill that became law. The ACA bill was written and passed by dems only. It belongs to them and Obama, totally.
Here is the GOP's own list of amendments they submitted to the ACA: http://rsc.scalise.house.gov/uploadedfiles/gop_amendments_submitted_to_hr_4872--8.31.10.pdf
No less than 101 amendments were submitted to the Rules Committee, and no less than 10 amendments were submitted to the Budget Committee.
Several GOP amendments were included in the final legislation.
This "shut out of the debates" bullshit is just that. We were all around at the time and well remember the debates and the haggling and arguing that took place over the course of a year over this legislation.
Yes, there was general discussion on the subject of healthcare.
The point is that there was no debate or discussion or amendments allowed on the bill that became law. The ACA bill was written and passed by dems only.
As usual, you're flat out wrong. But please, don't let that stop you.
LOL - "strickly"
who is flat out wrong? Think you might want to research the facts and apologize -
Instead, Democratic aides said the final compromise talks would essentially be a three-way negotiation involving top Democrats in the House and Senate and the White House, a structure that gives unusual latitude to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California.
Democrats plan to fast-track final health care bill to shut out GOP opponents - The Boston Globe
Why?
He's not wrong.
Republicans wanted it to die in committee.
That's why Democrats "fast-tracked" it.
Here is the GOP's own list of amendments they submitted to the ACA: http://rsc.scalise.house.gov/uploadedfiles/gop_amendments_submitted_to_hr_4872--8.31.10.pdf
Several GOP amendments were included in the final legislation.
This "shut out of the debates" bullshit is just that. We were all around at the time and well remember the debates and the haggling and arguing that took place over the course of a year over this legislation.
Yes, there was general discussion on the subject of healthcare.
The point is that there was no debate or discussion or amendments allowed on the bill that became law. The ACA bill was written and passed by dems only.
With several GOP amendments.
The "shut out of the debates" meme is bullshit. Just because no Republicans voted for it does not mean they were shut out.
Like I said, that shit is theater for the rubes so they don't notice the GOP had the chance to be the top dog on health care reform and sold us all out instead.
