Citizen's home is raided because of a Facebook posting

[Bfgrn]

Do I actually have to explain rudimentary English to you?

I want to know too...what force did the police use?

Sigh

By definition, police are force. That actually means, for the less informed among us, the CPS used force to investigate an anonymous complaint based on a Facebook photo.

2 a : military strength
b (1) : a body (as of troops or ships) assigned to a military purpose (2) plural : the whole military strength (as of a nation)
c : a body of persons or things available for a particular end <a labor force> <the missile force>
d : an individual or group having the power of effective action <join forces to prevent violence> <a force in politics>
e often capitalized : police force —usually used with the

This is a non story and faux 'police state' outrage. Typical right wing butt hurt 'victim-hood'

The anonymous complaints were made to child services, NOT the police department.

State child welfare spokeswoman Kristine Brown said that when it receives a report of suspected abuse or neglect, it assigns a caseworker to follow up. She said law enforcement officers are asked to accompany caseworkers only if the caseworkers feel their safety could be compromised.

"It's the caseworker's call," she said. "It is important to note the way an investigation begins is through the child abuse hotline. Someone has to call to let us know there is a concern."

N.J. family: Facebook photo of boy holding gun brought social workers to home | NJ.com

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I want to know too...what force did the police use?

Sigh

By definition, police are force. That actually means, for the less informed among us, the CPS used force to investigate an anonymous complaint based on a Facebook photo.

2 a : military strength
b (1) : a body (as of troops or ships) assigned to a military purpose (2) plural : the whole military strength (as of a nation)
c : a body of persons or things available for a particular end <a labor force> <the missile force>
d : an individual or group having the power of effective action <join forces to prevent violence> <a force in politics>
e often capitalized : police force —usually used with the

This is a non story and faux 'police state' outrage. Typical right wing butt hurt 'victim-hood'

The anonymous complaints were made to child services, NOT the police department.

State child welfare spokeswoman Kristine Brown said that when it receives a report of suspected abuse or neglect, it assigns a caseworker to follow up. She said law enforcement officers are asked to accompany caseworkers only if the caseworkers feel their safety could be compromised.

"It's the caseworker's call," she said. "It is important to note the way an investigation begins is through the child abuse hotline. Someone has to call to let us know there is a concern."

N.J. family: Facebook photo of boy holding gun brought social workers to home | NJ.com

Interpretation:

Bfgrn has absolutely no argument that can possibly justify the actions taken by the people representing the state, but is required by his inability to not defend the government in all instances to try to make it look like the other side is completely wacko, which is why he insisted earlier that this was all a part of a plot by the father to make the government look bad by posting the picture in the first place.

Side note, the fact of the matter is that no one ever disputed the call went to CPS, or that they brought the police into it. I won't speak for anyone else, but my position is that CPS should have called first, and should not now be trying to pretend that they couldn't of handled this differently. As for the police, they should have got a warrant, period. If CPS calls asking for an escort on a Friday night they should determining if there is probable cause to believe their is an imminent threat, and get a warrant.

 

[Mustang]

What force did the police use? I didn't read anything about any force being applied.

Do I actually have to explain rudimentary English to you?

I want to know too...what force did the police use?

They knocked on the door. Bastards!

 

[Bfgrn]

Sigh

By definition, police are force. That actually means, for the less informed among us, the CPS used force to investigate an anonymous complaint based on a Facebook photo.

2 a : military strength
b (1) : a body (as of troops or ships) assigned to a military purpose (2) plural : the whole military strength (as of a nation)
c : a body of persons or things available for a particular end <a labor force> <the missile force>
d : an individual or group having the power of effective action <join forces to prevent violence> <a force in politics>
e often capitalized : police force —usually used with the

This is a non story and faux 'police state' outrage. Typical right wing butt hurt 'victim-hood'

The anonymous complaints were made to child services, NOT the police department.

State child welfare spokeswoman Kristine Brown said that when it receives a report of suspected abuse or neglect, it assigns a caseworker to follow up. She said law enforcement officers are asked to accompany caseworkers only if the caseworkers feel their safety could be compromised.

"It's the caseworker's call," she said. "It is important to note the way an investigation begins is through the child abuse hotline. Someone has to call to let us know there is a concern."

N.J. family: Facebook photo of boy holding gun brought social workers to home | NJ.com

Interpretation:

Bfgrn has absolutely no argument that can possibly justify the actions taken by the people representing the state, but is required by his inability to not defend the government in all instances to try to make it look like the other side is completely wacko, which is why he insisted earlier that this was all a part of a plot by the father to make the government look bad by posting the picture in the first place.

Side note, the fact of the matter is that no one ever disputed the call went to CPS, or that they brought the police into it. I won't speak for anyone else, but my position is that CPS should have called first, and should not now be trying to pretend that they couldn't of handled this differently. As for the police, they should have got a warrant, period. If CPS calls asking for an escort on a Friday night they should determining if there is probable cause to believe their is an imminent threat, and get a warrant.

CPS should have called first? Tell me Einstein, what questions would they ask? And then tell me NO MATTER WHAT THE TRUTH IS how those questions would have been answered? And if there were a problem, wouldn't a phone call give warning to confiscate or hide any evidence??? How truly stupid can one person be. How the fuck do you make it across the street without getting run over???

You are embarrassingly a really stupid person. Oh, they should have called first...

 

[bodecea]

Do I actually have to explain rudimentary English to you?

I want to know too...what force did the police use?

They knocked on the door. Bastards!

And...they left when the owner said NO. This is sooooooooo horrible, isn't it?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

This is a non story and faux 'police state' outrage. Typical right wing butt hurt 'victim-hood'

The anonymous complaints were made to child services, NOT the police department.

State child welfare spokeswoman Kristine Brown said that when it receives a report of suspected abuse or neglect, it assigns a caseworker to follow up. She said law enforcement officers are asked to accompany caseworkers only if the caseworkers feel their safety could be compromised.

"It's the caseworker's call," she said. "It is important to note the way an investigation begins is through the child abuse hotline. Someone has to call to let us know there is a concern."

N.J. family: Facebook photo of boy holding gun brought social workers to home | NJ.com

Interpretation:

Bfgrn has absolutely no argument that can possibly justify the actions taken by the people representing the state, but is required by his inability to not defend the government in all instances to try to make it look like the other side is completely wacko, which is why he insisted earlier that this was all a part of a plot by the father to make the government look bad by posting the picture in the first place.

Side note, the fact of the matter is that no one ever disputed the call went to CPS, or that they brought the police into it. I won't speak for anyone else, but my position is that CPS should have called first, and should not now be trying to pretend that they couldn't of handled this differently. As for the police, they should have got a warrant, period. If CPS calls asking for an escort on a Friday night they should determining if there is probable cause to believe their is an imminent threat, and get a warrant.

CPS should have called first? Tell me Einstein, what questions would they ask? And then tell me NO MATTER WHAT THE TRUTH IS how those questions would have been answered? And if there were a problem, wouldn't a phone call give warning to confiscate or hide any evidence??? How truly stupid can one person be. How the fuck do you make it across the street without getting run over???

You are embarrassingly a really stupid person. Oh, they should have called first...

CPS was called first, they called the police.

I guess that destroys the premise of your rant.

 

[Jarlaxle]

For those that won't click the link because it says Blog:

New Jersey police and Dept. of Children and Families officials raided the home of a firearms instructor and demanded to see his guns after he posted a Facebook photo of his 11-year-old son holding a rifle."Someone called family services about the photo," said*Evan Nappen,*an attorney representing Shawn Moore. "It led to an incredible, heavy-handed raid on his house. They wanted to see his gun safe, his guns and search his house. They even threatened to take his kids."Moore was not arrested or charged.A Dept. of Children and Familiesspokesperson told Fox News they could not confirm or deny an investigation or raid had taken place due to government regulations."The department has a child abuse hotline for the state of New Jersey and anybody can make a call to that hotline," spokesperson Kristen Brown said. "We are required to follow up on every single allegation that comes into the central registry."Moore, of Carneys Point, is a certified firearms instructor for the National Rifle Association, an NRA range safety officer and a New Jersey hunter education instructor.He recently posted a photograph of his son wearing camouflage and holding his new .22 rifle. The child has a New Jersey hunting license and recently passed the state's hunter safety course."If you look at the picture, his finger isn't even on the trigger - which is proper," Nappen told Fox News.

Considering that the only people who should have been able to see his facebook page are people he knows, someone he knows dimed him out.

So they must know things we don't.

You don't know how Facebook works, do you. (That's not a question.)

 

[Jarlaxle]

For those that won't click the link because it says Blog:

New Jersey police and Dept. of Children and Families officials raided the home of a firearms instructor and demanded to see his guns after he posted a Facebook photo of his 11-year-old son holding a rifle."Someone called family services about the photo," said*Evan Nappen,*an attorney representing Shawn Moore. "It led to an incredible, heavy-handed raid on his house. They wanted to see his gun safe, his guns and search his house. They even threatened to take his kids."Moore was not arrested or charged.A Dept. of Children and Familiesspokesperson told Fox News they could not confirm or deny an investigation or raid had taken place due to government regulations."The department has a child abuse hotline for the state of New Jersey and anybody can make a call to that hotline," spokesperson Kristen Brown said. "We are required to follow up on every single allegation that comes into the central registry."Moore, of Carneys Point, is a certified firearms instructor for the National Rifle Association, an NRA range safety officer and a New Jersey hunter education instructor.He recently posted a photograph of his son wearing camouflage and holding his new .22 rifle. The child has a New Jersey hunting license and recently passed the state's hunter safety course."If you look at the picture, his finger isn't even on the trigger - which is proper," Nappen told Fox News.

Considering that the only people who should have been able to see his facebook page are people he knows, someone he knows dimed him out.

So they must know things we don't.

You don't know much about Facebook, do you?

Just a heads up, if you think even a private profile is private, you are dumber than dog shit.

Stalkbook: View any Facebook profile even if they're not your friend | Digital Trends

This is JOEY, dude. His being dumber than dog shit is a long-established fact!

 

[Jarlaxle]

Let me get this straight, after they left, and this blew up in their face, they suddenly realized he was drunk, and you see no reason to suspect they are lying? Expect another neg in 48 hours.

OH noes! not a neg!

seriously - you guys are choosing to believe a guy that likely had been drinking over the police. and the thing is there's not much to disagree on.

i mean do you really think that the police and the social worker were there making threats and acting like an idiot or is it far more likely that it was the father?

have none of you ever seen cops?

Cops lie.

And social workers are frequently power-mad thugs.

 

[JoeB131]

For those that won't click the link because it says Blog:

New Jersey police and Dept. of Children and Families officials raided the home of a firearms instructor and demanded to see his guns after he posted a Facebook photo of his 11-year-old son holding a rifle."Someone called family services about the photo," said*Evan Nappen,*an attorney representing Shawn Moore. "It led to an incredible, heavy-handed raid on his house. They wanted to see his gun safe, his guns and search his house. They even threatened to take his kids."Moore was not arrested or charged.A Dept. of Children and Familiesspokesperson told Fox News they could not confirm or deny an investigation or raid had taken place due to government regulations."The department has a child abuse hotline for the state of New Jersey and anybody can make a call to that hotline," spokesperson Kristen Brown said. "We are required to follow up on every single allegation that comes into the central registry."Moore, of Carneys Point, is a certified firearms instructor for the National Rifle Association, an NRA range safety officer and a New Jersey hunter education instructor.He recently posted a photograph of his son wearing camouflage and holding his new .22 rifle. The child has a New Jersey hunting license and recently passed the state's hunter safety course."If you look at the picture, his finger isn't even on the trigger - which is proper," Nappen told Fox News.

Considering that the only people who should have been able to see his facebook page are people he knows, someone he knows dimed him out.

So they must know things we don't.

You don't know how Facebook works, do you. (That's not a question.)

Yeah, actually, I do...

The only people who seem my page are friends and family. Now if this guy was nuts enough to put his kid out where ANYONE could see it, that's anotehr issue...

But like I said. More likely explanation- One of his friends who knows he's nuts reported him.

 

[Obamanation]

Considering that the only people who should have been able to see his facebook page are people he knows, someone he knows dimed him out.

So they must know things we don't.

You don't know how Facebook works, do you. (That's not a question.)

Yeah, actually, I do...

The only people who seem my page are friends and family. Now if this guy was nuts enough to put his kid out where ANYONE could see it, that's anotehr issue...

But like I said. More likely explanation- One of his friends who knows he's nuts reported him.

So, you are saying that you have things to hide, but this guy doesn't --- so HE is the bad guy??? hahaha!!

 

[JoeB131]

You don't know how Facebook works, do you. (That's not a question.)

Yeah, actually, I do...

The only people who seem my page are friends and family. Now if this guy was nuts enough to put his kid out where ANYONE could see it, that's anotehr issue...

But like I said. More likely explanation- One of his friends who knows he's nuts reported him.

So, you are saying that you have things to hide, but this guy doesn't --- so HE is the bad guy??? hahaha!!

No, frankly, I just don't see what all the fuss is about with facebook and never will.

But I find it hard to believe that someone he didn't know just HAPPENED upon his facebook page where he posted his kid doing NRA stuff.

What sounds more likely to me is that he posts this kind of disturbing stuff all the time, and someone he knows dropped a dime on him this time.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Considering that the only people who should have been able to see his facebook page are people he knows, someone he knows dimed him out.

So they must know things we don't.

You don't know how Facebook works, do you. (That's not a question.)

Yeah, actually, I do...

The only people who seem my page are friends and family. Now if this guy was nuts enough to put his kid out where ANYONE could see it, that's anotehr issue...

But like I said. More likely explanation- One of his friends who knows he's nuts reported him.

I already posted a link that showed you how to get past your security settings. If you don't believe it works feel free to tell me you real name and I will post a screenshot of your Facebook page.

 

[JoeB131]

[

I already posted a link that showed you how to get past your security settings. If you don't believe it works feel free to tell me you real name and I will post a screenshot of your Facebook page.

Again, why would anyone want to do that.

Occam's razor.

If he got outed on Facebook, it was probably by someone he "Friended".

(Incidently, I'd have to be nuts to tell a psycho like you my real name.)

 

[Obamanation]

Yeah, actually, I do...

The only people who seem my page are friends and family. Now if this guy was nuts enough to put his kid out where ANYONE could see it, that's anotehr issue...

But like I said. More likely explanation- One of his friends who knows he's nuts reported him.

So, you are saying that you have things to hide, but this guy doesn't --- so HE is the bad guy??? hahaha!!

No, frankly, I just don't see what all the fuss is about with facebook and never will.

But I find it hard to believe that someone he didn't know just HAPPENED upon his facebook page where he posted his kid doing NRA stuff.

What sounds more likely to me is that he posts this kind of disturbing stuff all the time, and someone he knows dropped a dime on him this time.

Disturbing stuff??? Oh em gee - hahahahaha!

So you are convicting this guy of all kinds of evil, huh? NRA stuff? oh no!!! Call the authorities at once - this guy is obviously a mad man!!! his Kid looks happy!! must be up to no good huh?

You are so retarded!

 

[Ernie S.]

Sigh

By definition, police are force. That actually means, for the less informed among us, the CPS used force to investigate an anonymous complaint based on a Facebook photo.

2 a : military strength
b (1) : a body (as of troops or ships) assigned to a military purpose (2) plural : the whole military strength (as of a nation)
c : a body of persons or things available for a particular end <a labor force> <the missile force>
d : an individual or group having the power of effective action <join forces to prevent violence> <a force in politics>
e often capitalized : police force —usually used with the

This is a non story and faux 'police state' outrage. Typical right wing butt hurt 'victim-hood'

The anonymous complaints were made to child services, NOT the police department.

State child welfare spokeswoman Kristine Brown said that when it receives a report of suspected abuse or neglect, it assigns a caseworker to follow up. She said law enforcement officers are asked to accompany caseworkers only if the caseworkers feel their safety could be compromised.

"It's the caseworker's call," she said. "It is important to note the way an investigation begins is through the child abuse hotline. Someone has to call to let us know there is a concern."

N.J. family: Facebook photo of boy holding gun brought social workers to home | NJ.com

Interpretation:

Bfgrn has absolutely no argument that can possibly justify the actions taken by the people representing the state, but is required by his inability to not defend the government in all instances to try to make it look like the other side is completely wacko, which is why he insisted earlier that this was all a part of a plot by the father to make the government look bad by posting the picture in the first place.

Side note, the fact of the matter is that no one ever disputed the call went to CPS, or that they brought the police into it. I won't speak for anyone else, but my position is that CPS should have called first, and should not now be trying to pretend that they couldn't of handled this differently. As for the police, they should have got a warrant, period. If CPS calls asking for an escort on a Friday night they should determining if there is probable cause to believe their is an imminent threat, and get a warrant.

While you are technically correct, they couldn't have obtained a warrant based on an anonymous tip or a face book posting of a kid with a gun that LOOKS like a scary, black assault weapon. Someone at CPS should have gotten an expert to identify the weapon and a judge should have decided if CPS should pursue the matter. Your typical CPS case worker is barely qualified to tie her own shoes, much less make a unilateral decision that a child holding a weapon in a safe and proper manner, is in danger.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

[

I already posted a link that showed you how to get past your security settings. If you don't believe it works feel free to tell me you real name and I will post a screenshot of your Facebook page.

Again, why would anyone want to do that.

Occam's razor.

If he got outed on Facebook, it was probably by someone he "Friended".


(Incidently, I'd have to be nuts to tell a psycho like you my real name.)

Or, like most people, he posted publicly because he didn't do anything illegal, immoral, or even wrong.

XXXXXXX It is against the Rules to Post Personal Information of Members that they themselves have not first posted here. That is a serious issue here. -Intense.

Seriously, unless you know what you are doing, it is impossible to be anonymous on the Internet.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

This is a non story and faux 'police state' outrage. Typical right wing butt hurt 'victim-hood'

The anonymous complaints were made to child services, NOT the police department.

State child welfare spokeswoman Kristine Brown said that when it receives a report of suspected abuse or neglect, it assigns a caseworker to follow up. She said law enforcement officers are asked to accompany caseworkers only if the caseworkers feel their safety could be compromised.

"It's the caseworker's call," she said. "It is important to note the way an investigation begins is through the child abuse hotline. Someone has to call to let us know there is a concern."

N.J. family: Facebook photo of boy holding gun brought social workers to home | NJ.com

Interpretation:

Bfgrn has absolutely no argument that can possibly justify the actions taken by the people representing the state, but is required by his inability to not defend the government in all instances to try to make it look like the other side is completely wacko, which is why he insisted earlier that this was all a part of a plot by the father to make the government look bad by posting the picture in the first place.

Side note, the fact of the matter is that no one ever disputed the call went to CPS, or that they brought the police into it. I won't speak for anyone else, but my position is that CPS should have called first, and should not now be trying to pretend that they couldn't of handled this differently. As for the police, they should have got a warrant, period. If CPS calls asking for an escort on a Friday night they should determining if there is probable cause to believe their is an imminent threat, and get a warrant.

While you are technically correct, they couldn't have obtained a warrant based on an anonymous tip or a face book posting of a kid with a gun that LOOKS like a scary, black assault weapon. Someone at CPS should have gotten an expert to identify the weapon and a judge should have decided if CPS should pursue the matter. Your typical CPS case worker is barely qualified to tie her own shoes, much less make a unilateral decision that a child holding a weapon in a safe and proper manner, is in danger.

Exactly, go to a judge and see if it warrants a nighttime visit, or wait until regular business hours.

 

[francoHFW]

I left a message with a Secret Service office about a guy on FB who said he was dying of cancer and was going to kill Obama. There are definitely limits...

 

[MikeK]

I believe the bottom line in this discussion is the Child Protective Services people acted on a premature and purely subjective impulse. There is absolutely nothing illegal about the photograph of a young boy dressed in camouflage clothing and holding what appears to be a so-called assault rifle.

Motivation for the visit by police and CPS officials was a manifest example of hysteria born of fear of the unknown. The image of a young boy with a firearm occurs to some as a kind of metaphorical child pornography. The most that should have been done by Child Protective Services is initiate a telephone inquiry and feel the situation out from there.

To show up on someone's doorstep with four cops over such flimsy and questionable cause is looking for trouble or embarrassment. They are lucky the situation concluded as peacefully as it did.