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the Constitution is a limitation on the federal government
it does not "give' rights to anyone
Of course it gives rights. It takes opinions and turns them into legal facts.
what the fuck are you talking about
--LOL
If your opinion is that you have the right to own guns, implicitly without fear of the law, you can do that if the government gives you that right,
via something like the 2nd Amendment.
Your opinion about gun rights becomes a fact thanks to the Government.
We had right to bear arms and to defend our lives BEFORE the Constitution and the second Amendment were adopted and a government created.
Homosexuals had the right to have sex with each other before the government was created .
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Their right to marry is an unalienable right unless you can prove God says otherwise.
You should too:Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness?
How then can marriage not be a right?
Don't confuse the issue.
You have a right to pursue happiness.
If being a homosexual is your cup of tea then more power to you, your right is covered by the US Constitution and the Ninth Amendment.
But I do not understand why a homosexual wants the government to find that his relation is moral and for it to recognize it and give it validity .
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The Founders, in the Declaration of Independence, also said that Governments were formed to secure those rights.
So if our Government does not secure gay rights, then government must have decided that there is no right of a homosexual to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Thus the burden is on you to either admit that you believe Governments give us our rights, or else prove that God declared that gays do not have rights.
you should go back and read the Declaration of Independence
http://www.constitution.org/us_doi.pdf
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."
consent of the governed =the people not the government --LOL
So the Right to bear arms, the right to petition, the right to a speedy trial...are not "Natural Rights"What other parts of the Constitution as written and ratified in 1788 are not considered "Natural Rights?"You mean the people who signed the Constitution that protected and preserved slavery?
Was slavery a "Natural Right"
Was slavery a "Natural Right"
no
the Constitution is a limitation on the federal government
it does not "give' rights to anyone
Or are they?
Yes, they are natural rights.
Look... this is all extremely basic Americanism here. Its just that it appears to be beyond the means of your profound intellectual limitations.
Perhaps you should consider heading on back down to the "FIRE HOT!" discussion. Word is that you were doing great down there... .
So the Right to bear arms, the right to petition, the right to a speedy trial...are not "Natural Rights"the Constitution is a limitation on the federal government
it does not "give' rights to anyone
Or are they?
regardless if they are wrote on a piece of paper or not
they are natural rights
the 2nd amendment makes me and others aware of that fact
But Governments of Men secure that right.
In the process Men have to decide whether or not to give you that security.
you really do not have a clue do you --LOL
You're not refuting anything I say.
Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness?
How then can marriage not be a right?
Don't confuse the issue.
You have a right to pursue happiness.
If being a homosexual is your cup of tea then more power to you, your right is covered by the US Constitution and the Ninth Amendment.
But I do not understand why a homosexual wants the government to find that his relation is moral and for it to recognize it and give it validity .
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That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
It is the responsibility of Government to either
1) secure the rights of homosexuals
DONE! Homosexuals have the same rights are everyone else.... that was covered in the "ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL" thing.
Meaning, that there are NO RIGHTS which anyone else has and can readily exercise, that the sexually abnormal cannot.
Where you're getting bogged down, is in the correlating responsibilities intrinsic to rights, wherein one cannot exercise a right to the detriment of another's means to exercise their own.
And where a homosexual demands not to just get married, but to marry outside of the natural standards that define marriage, where they fail to bear their responsibilities to not allow their shortcomings to affect the means of others to exercise their right to not have the sexually abnormal redefine standards critical to the viability of their culture.
You feel strongly about this, I feel strongly about this and where we cannot come to a compromise; and make no mistake, there is no potential for compromise here, we will simply have to destroy you and your cult, as we would any other virus... .
And you should know, that I am perfectly fine with that. All I am waiting on is for the moral justification which requires such action.
You're going to be really pissed come June when SCOTUS rules the Right to same sex marriage legal in every state.Of course it gives rights. It takes opinions and turns them into legal facts.
what the fuck are you talking about
--LOL
If your opinion is that you have the right to own guns, implicitly without fear of the law, you can do that if the government gives you that right,
via something like the 2nd Amendment.
Your opinion about gun rights becomes a fact thanks to the Government.
We had right to bear arms and to defend our lives BEFORE the Constitution and the second Amendment were adopted and a government created.
Homosexuals had the right to have sex with each other before the government was created .
.
Their right to marry is an unalienable right unless you can prove God says otherwise.
No one has ever denied anyone the means to marry, where the applicants have met the standards which define marriage.
What you're demanding is the RIGHT to reject the responsibility that sustains the right... and we're simply not going to allow that. But, you feel free to keep pushing... .
Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness?
How then can marriage not be a right?
Don't confuse the issue.
You have a right to pursue happiness.
If being a homosexual is your cup of tea then more power to you, your right is covered by the US Constitution and the Ninth Amendment.
But I do not understand why a homosexual wants the government to find that his relation is moral and for it to recognize it and give it validity .
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That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
It is the responsibility of Government to either
1) secure the rights of homosexuals, or,
2) declare that no such rights exist.
...same as for every right.
If God wants a say in the matter, He should speak up.
deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
yeah so the people have the right of say not the government
That's gibberish. A representative government is delegated the authority to have that say. And if the People say they're not going to give you right to bear arms, or the right to an abortion,
you won't have that right, except as the intangible of being your opinion that you have it.
it is not gibberish it is a fact
do you have or not have a say in how your government operates
You're going to be really pissed come June when SCOTUS rules the Right to same sex marriage legal in every state.what the fuck are you talking about
--LOL
If your opinion is that you have the right to own guns, implicitly without fear of the law, you can do that if the government gives you that right,
via something like the 2nd Amendment.
Your opinion about gun rights becomes a fact thanks to the Government.
We had right to bear arms and to defend our lives BEFORE the Constitution and the second Amendment were adopted and a government created.
Homosexuals had the right to have sex with each other before the government was created .
.
Their right to marry is an unalienable right unless you can prove God says otherwise.
No one has ever denied anyone the means to marry, where the applicants have met the standards which define marriage.
What you're demanding is the RIGHT to reject the responsibility that sustains the right... and we're simply not going to allow that. But, you feel free to keep pushing... .
the Constitution is a limitation on the federal government
it does not "give' rights to anyone
Of course it gives rights. It takes opinions and turns them into legal facts.
what the fuck are you talking about
--LOL
If your opinion is that you have the right to own guns, implicitly without fear of the law, you can do that if the government gives you that right,
via something like the 2nd Amendment.
Your opinion about gun rights becomes a fact thanks to the Government.
We had right to bear arms and to defend our lives BEFORE the Constitution and the second Amendment were adopted and a government created.
Homosexuals had the right to have sex with each other before the government was created .
.
Their right to marry is an unalienable right unless you can prove God says otherwise.
The Right of slaveholders to have their slaves returned to them was written in the Constitution.
Not a "Natural Right?"
Perhaps you should consider heading on back down to the "FIRE HOT!" discussion. Word is that you were doing great down there... .
What the hell does this even mean?
What other parts of the Constitution as written and ratified in 1788 are not considered "Natural Rights?"
the Constitution is a limitation on the federal government
it does not "give' rights to anyone
Of course it gives rights. It takes opinions and turns them into legal facts.
what the fuck are you talking about
--LOL
If your opinion is that you have the right to own guns, implicitly without fear of the law, you can do that if the government gives you that right,
via something like the 2nd Amendment.
Your opinion about gun rights becomes a fact thanks to the Government.
the government did not give me the right to own firearms
You're going to be really pissed come June when SCOTUS rules the Right to same sex marriage legal in every state.what the fuck are you talking about
--LOL
If your opinion is that you have the right to own guns, implicitly without fear of the law, you can do that if the government gives you that right,
via something like the 2nd Amendment.
Your opinion about gun rights becomes a fact thanks to the Government.
We had right to bear arms and to defend our lives BEFORE the Constitution and the second Amendment were adopted and a government created.
Homosexuals had the right to have sex with each other before the government was created .
.
Their right to marry is an unalienable right unless you can prove God says otherwise.
No one has ever denied anyone the means to marry, where the applicants have met the standards which define marriage.
What you're demanding is the RIGHT to reject the responsibility that sustains the right... and we're simply not going to allow that. But, you feel free to keep pushing... .
They'll just reject the constitutional authority of the Courts.
The people who signed that document didn't think all men were created equal.DONE! Homosexuals have the same rights are everyone else.... that was covered in the "ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL" thing.
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The Right of slaveholders to have their slaves returned to them was written in the Constitution.
Not a "Natural Right?"
Well, it literally is, as Slaves were property. And there is no question that where a right is recognized in writing that this in no way results in the right becoming anything else than natural.
But how cool would it be for you, IF it did?
Perhaps you should consider heading on back down to the "FIRE HOT!" discussion. Word is that you were doing great down there... .
What the hell does this even mean?
They'll just reject the constitutional authority of the Courts.
Yes... we will. Because the constitution does not grant such authority. But you're invited to cite where it does. And when you fail to do so, rest assured that I will be here to recognize and accept your looming concession.
the Constitution is a limitation on the federal government
it does not "give' rights to anyone
Of course it gives rights. It takes opinions and turns them into legal facts.
what the fuck are you talking about
--LOL
If your opinion is that you have the right to own guns, implicitly without fear of the law, you can do that if the government gives you that right,
via something like the 2nd Amendment.
Your opinion about gun rights becomes a fact thanks to the Government.
the government did not give me the right to own firearms
The government did, if you had any idea of what 'rights' mean in this context.
They'll just reject the constitutional authority of the Courts.
Yes... we will. Because the constitution does not grant such authority. But you're invited to cite where it does. And when you fail to do so, rest assured that I will be here to recognize and accept your looming concession.
They'll just reject the constitutional authority of the Courts.
Yes... we will. Because the constitution does not grant such authority. But you're invited to cite where it does. And when you fail to do so, rest assured that I will be here to recognize and accept your looming concession.
Then you don't believe the Supreme Court has the right to strike down gun bans, or to declare Obamacare unconstitutional in any aspect?
They'll just reject the constitutional authority of the Courts.
Yes... we will. Because the constitution does not grant such authority. But you're invited to cite where it does. And when you fail to do so, rest assured that I will be here to recognize and accept your looming concession.
HUH?
The Constitution does NOT grant THE PEOPLE authority. The People have all - 100% - of the rights except for those which were specifically granted to the government. None of the powers granted to the government allows them to prevent homosexuals from living together.
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