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Let them pay the difference out of their own pockets just like we have to.
Its easy to love something when someone elses money is paying your way.
According to what I've read Congress itself isn't exempted but you can bet your ass every one of those Clowns will get the cadillac hc plan at our expense.
You do know congress is already compensated at our expense , don't you?
Yup. I sure do.
But I also thought they would have to buy into the exchanges just like others do since they aren't exempted.
You do know that Congress voted themselves and staffers a 72% subsidy to take care of their costs??
Apparantly the law doesn't apply to everyone equally.
You do know congress is already compensated at our expense , don't you?
Yup. I sure do.
But I also thought they would have to buy into the exchanges just like others do since they aren't exempted.
You do know that Congress voted themselves and staffers a 72% subsidy to take care of their costs??
Apparantly the law doesn't apply to everyone equally.
You still do not understand the situation.
Anyone in America who has a qualifying ( meaning worth a shit ) health care plan through their place of employment is exempt from having to go on the exchange...BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE INSURANCE.
The members of Congress and their staffers are actually being forced to use the exchange even though they already have a qualifying plan. That is because a nutter dropped an amendment in the bill saying that they had to.
What that nutter did not do is provide a mechanism for paying for it. So it was going to amount to a pay cut for all of these workers. The subsidy is simply restoring the terms of their employment contract to the way it was before they were forced to change their plan.
Do you get it? Please say you get it.
When you hear about a congressional exemption from Obamacare, this refers to the fact that the Office of Personnel Management, part of the executive branch, has chosen to make up for this differential treatment by paying part of congressional employees health-care premiums on the new exchanges. They havent been exempted from the amendment that forces them onto the exchanges, in a way no other American is.
OPM decided to contribute the same amount to these exchanges that the government now spends on congressional employees health benefits ($5,000 for individuals, $11,000 for families). This decision was probably illegal, since Congress didnt authorize funds for the plan, as Catos Michael Cannon explains.
Congressmen and their staff, then, are getting a questionable workaround from the law but its from a provision of the law that treated them particularly badly rather than neutrally. The net result of the law and the workaround isnt a special handout for congressional employees.
Yup. I sure do.
But I also thought they would have to buy into the exchanges just like others do since they aren't exempted.
You do know that Congress voted themselves and staffers a 72% subsidy to take care of their costs??
Apparantly the law doesn't apply to everyone equally.
You still do not understand the situation.
Anyone in America who has a qualifying ( meaning worth a shit ) health care plan through their place of employment is exempt from having to go on the exchange...BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE INSURANCE.
The members of Congress and their staffers are actually being forced to use the exchange even though they already have a qualifying plan. That is because a nutter dropped an amendment in the bill saying that they had to.
What that nutter did not do is provide a mechanism for paying for it. So it was going to amount to a pay cut for all of these workers. The subsidy is simply restoring the terms of their employment contract to the way it was before they were forced to change their plan.
Do you get it? Please say you get it.
Look, uber-douche. Not one 'nutter' voted for that piece of fucking shit legislation while every dimocrap scumbag DID.
If they didn't want it in there, they should have voted it out. But hubris wouldn't allow that.
If you want a fair and accurate explanation of what happened.... Try a fair and accurate source:
The Obamacare Non-Exemption | National Review Online
When you hear about a congressional exemption from Obamacare, this refers to the fact that the Office of Personnel Management, part of the executive branch, has chosen to make up for this differential treatment by paying part of congressional employees health-care premiums on the new exchanges. They havent been exempted from the amendment that forces them onto the exchanges, in a way no other American is.
OPM decided to contribute the same amount to these exchanges that the government now spends on congressional employees health benefits ($5,000 for individuals, $11,000 for families). This decision was probably illegal, since Congress didnt authorize funds for the plan, as Catos Michael Cannon explains.
Congressmen and their staff, then, are getting a questionable workaround from the law but its from a provision of the law that treated them particularly badly rather than neutrally. The net result of the law and the workaround isnt a special handout for congressional employees.
Saying what??
Congress isn't exempt but they did put the fix in so they and staffers don't have to buy out of the exchanges.
Rule finalizes ObamaCare 'fix' for lawmakers, staff members - The Hill's Healthwatch
You do know congress is already compensated at our expense , don't you?
Yup. I sure do.
But I also thought they would have to buy into the exchanges just like others do since they aren't exempted.
You do know that Congress voted themselves and staffers a 72% subsidy to take care of their costs??
Apparantly the law doesn't apply to everyone equally.
You still do not understand the situation.
Anyone in America who has a qualifying ( meaning worth a shit ) health care plan through their place of employment is exempt from having to go on the exchange...BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE INSURANCE.
The members of Congress and their staffers are actually being forced to use the exchange even though they already have a qualifying plan. That is because a nutter dropped an amendment in the bill saying that they had to.
What that nutter did not do is provide a mechanism for paying for it. So it was going to amount to a pay cut for all of these workers. The subsidy is simply restoring the terms of their employment contract to the way it was before they were forced to change their plan.
Do you get it? Please say you get it.[/QUOTE
Of course I get it.
Saying what??
Congress isn't exempt but they did put the fix in so they and staffers don't have to buy out of the exchanges.
Rule finalizes ObamaCare 'fix' for lawmakers, staff members - The Hill's Healthwatch
Saying what??
Congress isn't exempt but they did put the fix in so they and staffers don't have to buy out of the exchanges.
Rule finalizes ObamaCare 'fix' for lawmakers, staff members - The Hill's Healthwatch
You failed to comprehend the information in the cited link. The staffers must buy insurance on the exchange.
Man.....what is with you people? This is like a fucking bad dream.
You still do not understand the situation.
Anyone in America who has a qualifying ( meaning worth a shit ) health care plan through their place of employment is exempt from having to go on the exchange...BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE INSURANCE.
The members of Congress and their staffers are actually being forced to use the exchange even though they already have a qualifying plan. That is because a nutter dropped an amendment in the bill saying that they had to.
What that nutter did not do is provide a mechanism for paying for it. So it was going to amount to a pay cut for all of these workers. The subsidy is simply restoring the terms of their employment contract to the way it was before they were forced to change their plan.
Do you get it? Please say you get it.
Look, uber-douche. Not one 'nutter' voted for that piece of fucking shit legislation while every dimocrap scumbag DID.
If they didn't want it in there, they should have voted it out. But hubris wouldn't allow that.
If you want a fair and accurate explanation of what happened.... Try a fair and accurate source:
The Obamacare Non-Exemption | National Review Online
When you hear about a “congressional exemption” from Obamacare, this refers to the fact that the Office of Personnel Management, part of the executive branch, has chosen to make up for this differential treatment by paying part of congressional employees’ health-care premiums on the new exchanges. They haven’t been “exempted” from the amendment that forces them onto the exchanges, in a way no other American is.
OPM decided to contribute the same amount to these exchanges that the government now spends on congressional employees’ health benefits ($5,000 for individuals, $11,000 for families). This decision was probably illegal, since Congress didn’t authorize funds for the plan, as Cato’s Michael Cannon explains.
Congressmen and their staff, then, are getting a questionable workaround from the law — but it’s from a provision of the law that treated them particularly badly rather than neutrally. The net result of the law and the workaround isn’t a “special handout” for congressional employees.
He doesn't get it
Saying what??
Congress isn't exempt but they did put the fix in so they and staffers don't have to buy out of the exchanges.
Rule finalizes ObamaCare 'fix' for lawmakers, staff members - The Hill's Healthwatch
You failed to comprehend the information in the cited link. The staffers must buy insurance on the exchange.
Man.....what is with you people? This is like a fucking bad dream.
Of course they do.
I just wonder why we taxpayers have to subsidize them. Shouldn't they have to pay just like the rest of us?
After all the ACA is the new face of HC
Saying what??
Congress isn't exempt but they did put the fix in so they and staffers don't have to buy out of the exchanges.
Rule finalizes ObamaCare 'fix' for lawmakers, staff members - The Hill's Healthwatch
You failed to comprehend the information in the cited link. The staffers must buy insurance on the exchange.
Man.....what is with you people? This is like a fucking bad dream.
Of course they do.
I just wonder why we taxpayers have to subsidize them. Shouldn't they have to pay just like the rest of us?
After all the ACA is the new face of HC
what you ain't getting is that the rider for this was put in by Grassley, a republican.
3. Coverage subsidy. On the crucial question of whether Members of Congress and their staff will continue to receive the employer contribution toward the cost of their coverage provided to other federal government employees, S. 1796 and the Grassley amendments are clear that they wouldwhile the enacted language makes no such provision.
Again we see how the Right constructs a lie by giving the most misleading incomplete information. Remember a half-truth is a whole lie.Look, stoopid.
Congress and their Staffers are not exempt. Nobody ever said they were.
What we said was that they got an 'exemption' A special waiver that will allow them to get 75% of their Health Care Costs paid for by the Federal Government.
Nobody else can. Nobody in that Income bracket. No way.
You try to get a Federal subsidy while making $174,000 a year and see where it gets you.
Nobody else can get it.
Unless they get a special exemption directly from the Stuttering Clusterfuck.
yer an idiot
what you ain't getting is that the rider for this was put in by Grassley, a republican.
Really?
Obamacare?s Impact: Congress to Lose their Employer-Sponsored Health Insurance
Four Key Points of Legal Ambiguity
3. Coverage subsidy. On the crucial question of whether Members of Congress and their staff will continue to receive the employer contribution toward the cost of their coverage provided to other federal government employees, S. 1796 and the Grassley amendments are clear that they wouldwhile the enacted language makes no such provision.
Congress Exempt from Obamacare: The Latest Lie That Won't Die | New Republic
Just about every conservative on this board has vomited up the Fox News Lie that Congress and their staffers are somehow exempt from the Affordable Care Act.
In fact the opposite is true.
They were forced to go on health care exchanges even though THEY ALREADY GET HEALTH CARE INSURANCE AS A PART OF THEIR COMPENSATION.
So to avoid losing a benefit (and thereby taking a pay cut) the Obama administration is trying to federal workers reimbursed to pay for the insurance they choose on the health care exchange. Many federal workers will quit and find jobs in the private sector, if they are forced to take a pay cut.
Quit and find jobs in the private sector with 7% unemployment? Yeah right.
In case you haven't noticed, private sector employees are being forced onto the exchanges too and they don't get the increased costs paid for by their employers. So by your logic they are going to quit and find jobs in the public sector right?
Math is a basic skill taught in elementary school. You should go back and give it another shot.
Qualified workers are not having a hard time finding employment. The most talented workers in the federal government would not have a problem finding a job.
Private sector employees are not being forced into exchanges. That is just a falsehood.
What's wrong with my math? There was no math in my post. What are you talking about?
You failed to comprehend the information in the cited link. The staffers must buy insurance on the exchange.
Man.....what is with you people? This is like a fucking bad dream.
Of course they do.
I just wonder why we taxpayers have to subsidize them. Shouldn't they have to pay just like the rest of us?
After all the ACA is the new face of HC
You aren't being intentionally dense? You are asking that question in a serious manner?
And there you have it! Even after the Democrats added amendments that the Right wanted, the Right STILL refused to vote for the bill, and then lied that they were locked out of the process as their excuse for not voting for the bill.Yup. I sure do.
But I also thought they would have to buy into the exchanges just like others do since they aren't exempted.
You do know that Congress voted themselves and staffers a 72% subsidy to take care of their costs??
Apparantly the law doesn't apply to everyone equally.
You still do not understand the situation.
Anyone in America who has a qualifying ( meaning worth a shit ) health care plan through their place of employment is exempt from having to go on the exchange...BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE INSURANCE.
The members of Congress and their staffers are actually being forced to use the exchange even though they already have a qualifying plan. That is because a nutter dropped an amendment in the bill saying that they had to.
What that nutter did not do is provide a mechanism for paying for it. So it was going to amount to a pay cut for all of these workers. The subsidy is simply restoring the terms of their employment contract to the way it was before they were forced to change their plan.
Do you get it? Please say you get it.
Look, uber-douche. Not one 'nutter' voted for that piece of fucking shit legislation while every dimocrap scumbag DID.
If they didn't want it in there, they should have voted it out. But hubris wouldn't allow that.
