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How are two disturbed teen kids, motivated by anger over bullying, equivalent to a shooter shooting up a church full of black people in order to start a race war, or a man shooting up a Synagogue full of Jews because he hates Jews. It is all tragic. But the motivations behind the acts somewhat different.
So?
So why was it such a big deal to note it was Right-Wingers involved when Bowers killed Jews, or Roof killed Blacks?
Now, when it comes to Leftist massacres, then it's just "So".
Abortion should be an states issue... And none of the federal government business.I was referring to abortion. A private decision, by a woman, and what is essentially a healthcare choice between her and her doctor, not the government.Yes, No one should have socialized medicine/healthcare forced on them… It’s a living hell for conservativesLolJudges are the point. They allow unConstitutional laws to stand, including bans on rifles, pistols and magazines....any law is going to the court....so they stack the court, get universal background checks, get universal gun registration....then ban guns....
So universal background checks now equal gun confiscation. That is kind of like saying restricting late term abortions will lead to forced breeding programs.
Firearm ownership is only the individuals business and certainly not the federal governments business.
So is one’s healthcare decisions.
LolYes, No one should have socialized medicine/healthcare forced on them… It’s a living hell for conservativesLolSo universal background checks now equal gun confiscation. That is kind of like saying restricting late term abortions will lead to forced breeding programs.
Firearm ownership is only the individuals business and certainly not the federal governments business.
So is one’s healthcare decisions.
The Living hell are not those having healthcare forced upon them, but those who literally die because of lack of healthcare for treatable illnesses.
Even more sad, is for the family who lose the loved ones.
The people that have to pay for it can’t afford it, do not want it and cannot benefit from it... It’s only worth a shit if it’s 100% voluntary
People need to pay for their own shit...
LolLolYes, No one should have socialized medicine/healthcare forced on them… It’s a living hell for conservativesLol
Firearm ownership is only the individuals business and certainly not the federal governments business.
So is one’s healthcare decisions.
The Living hell are not those having healthcare forced upon them, but those who literally die because of lack of healthcare for treatable illnesses.
Even more sad, is for the family who lose the loved ones.
The people that have to pay for it can’t afford it, do not want it and cannot benefit from it... It’s only worth a shit if it’s 100% voluntary
People need to pay for their own shit...
The average cost of healthcare spending in the USA, approaches 10K a year for out of pocket + government spending, this is not just the highest in the World, it's the highest by far.
Yet, we don't live the longest, so it just shows are system is kind of garbage.
Our system is broken, in fact I can't think of a heck of a lot of things not broken in the USA.
The USA is becoming more, and more like a Third-World nation by each year passing by.
I was referring to abortion. A private decision, by a woman, and what is essentially a healthcare choice between her and her doctor, not the government.Yes, No one should have socialized medicine/healthcare forced on them… It’s a living hell for conservativesLolJudges are the point. They allow unConstitutional laws to stand, including bans on rifles, pistols and magazines....any law is going to the court....so they stack the court, get universal background checks, get universal gun registration....then ban guns....
So universal background checks now equal gun confiscation. That is kind of like saying restricting late term abortions will lead to forced breeding programs.
Firearm ownership is only the individuals business and certainly not the federal governments business.
So is one’s healthcare decisions.
The entire leadership of the Democratic party isn't saying that, and has never said they want to confiscate all guns. Where did you hear that? I know it's hard for you to separate real voices from the voices that are just in your head, but you really should try.
Hmmm...you mean like this guy?
“I don’t believe people should be able to own guns.”
President Barack Obama, during conversation with economist and author John Lott Jr. at the University of Chicago Law School in the 1990s
“If I could have gotten...an outright ban – ‘Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns’ – I would have!”
Senator Diane Feinstein, author of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban
“We’re bending the law as far as we can to ban an entirely new class of guns.”
Rahm Emmanuel, President Obama's former Chief of Staff and a senior advisor to President Bill Clinton
“Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe.”
Sen. Dianne Feinstein
Talk about deception....quotes from the 90’s....no context....even Rahm’s quote is talking about banning a particular class of guns. Not all guns.
You think obama changed his mind? Or Feinstein?
Obama was president for 8 years. Please point out the laws he enacted that would confiscate all guns.
He cared more about getting obama care first passed, then kept......to do that he needed to control congress, and didn't want to lose members to anti-gun votes the way bill clinton did. He put his efforts into stacking the lower courts and the Supreme Court with anti-gun judges....as we see in the people he put on the 9th, 4th, and 2nd Courts of appeals and the other federal benches.....they have ignored the rulings in Heller, and MacDonald over and over again.....knowing that the Supreme Court was divided 4-4 on gun issues.....they would have fixed that if hilary had won...
You honestly have not heard what the top democrats running for President have said about firearms? Do you sleep all day and only check this site once in a while? Or are you, like usual, lying through your teeth?Shall we bookmark this comment for the next mass shooting where you and your ilk all claim the entire right is to blame for one shooter?Maybe because this is one faith hating looney. Maybe because Christians happen to be around 75% of our population, representing a significant majority...enough to effect changes in our laws and rights as we speak. I found it hard to regard Christians as a victim class in this country with that large of a majority and that much political power.
One clearly mentally deranged person does not a movement make.
Or all guns must be banned because one was used illegally?
You poor guy. Your fear that all guns will be confiscated reminds me of a kid who is convinced there is a monster under his bed. It doesn't matter how many times his parents tell him there is no monster, that poor kid is still afraid. Kids usually outgrow such irrational fears, but it looks like you have some sort of flaw that prevents you from doing that.
You know, if the entire leadership of the democrat party wasn't saying they want to confiscate guns....you might have a point.....you might want to tell them to stop saying they want to confiscate guns....and make them stop using the courts and the law to keep banning guns, magazines, and pieces of equipment....
The entire leadership of the Democratic party isn't saying that, and has never said they want to confiscate all guns. Where did you hear that? I know it's hard for you to separate real voices from the voices that are just in your head, but you really should try.
LolLolYes, No one should have socialized medicine/healthcare forced on them… It’s a living hell for conservativesSo is one’s healthcare decisions.
The Living hell are not those having healthcare forced upon them, but those who literally die because of lack of healthcare for treatable illnesses.
Even more sad, is for the family who lose the loved ones.
The people that have to pay for it can’t afford it, do not want it and cannot benefit from it... It’s only worth a shit if it’s 100% voluntary
People need to pay for their own shit...
The average cost of healthcare spending in the USA, approaches 10K a year for out of pocket + government spending, this is not just the highest in the World, it's the highest by far.
Yet, we don't live the longest, so it just shows are system is kind of garbage.
Our system is broken, in fact I can't think of a heck of a lot of things not broken in the USA.
The USA is becoming more, and more like a Third-World nation by each year passing by.
Socialized medicine/healthcare certainly is not the answer, forcing that shit on people destroys people
Talk about deception....quotes from the 90’s....no context....even Rahm’s quote is talking about banning a particular class of guns. Not all guns.
You think obama changed his mind? Or Feinstein?
Have they banned all guns or proposed legislation to do so?
They take steps.....they learned the hard way in the 90s that being open about gun confiscation loses seats in congress.....that is why they went to local jurisdictions to ban guns, then use the courts at the appeals level to make those bans stick....knowing in the past that the 4-4 split on the Supreme Court would allow them to get away with ignoring Heller and the other Supreme Court rulings.
Then you have hilary....she wanted to use the Department of Justice, and law suits against gun makers to pass the gun control they were afraid of openly promoting...
Hillary: Impose Gun Control by Judicial Fiat
Hillary’s focus on repealing the PLCAA seems strange: it’s been on the books for eleven years, it was passed by 2-1 bipartisan majorities (65-31 Senate, 283-144 House), and every suit it has blocked is one that should never have been filed. Yet oppose it Hillary does. Her campaign webpage proposes to “Take on the gun lobby by removing the industry’s sweeping legal protection for illegal and irresponsible actions (which makes it almost impossible for people to hold them accountable), and revoking licenses from dealers who break the law.” She told the Bridgeport News that “as president, I would lead the charge to repeal this law.” In Iowa, she called the PLCAA “one of the most egregious, wrong, pieces of legislation that ever passed the Congress.”
But, even given her anti-gun beliefs, why does Hillary place so high a priority on repealing some eleven-year-old statute?
The papers found in her husband’s presidential archives in Little Rock show why the lawsuits that the PLCAA stopped were so important to his anti-gun plans. A January 2000 question and answer document, probably meant to prepare Bill Clinton for a press conference, asks about his involvement in the lawsuits against the gun industry. It suggests as an answer that he “intends to engage the gun industry in negotiations” to “achieve meaningful reforms to the way the gun industry does business.” The memo suggests he close with “We want real reforms that will improve the public safety and save lives.”
This is noteworthy: the Clinton White House did not see the lawsuits’ purpose as winning money, but as a means to pressure the gun industry into adopting the Clinton “reforms.” What might those reforms have been?
The Clinton Presidential Archives answered that question, too. In December 1999, the “Office of the Deputy Secretary” (presumably of Treasury) had sent a fax to the fax line for Clinton’s White House Domestic Policy Council. The fax laid out a proposed settlement of the legal cases. The terms were very well designed.
They would have given the antigun movements all the victories that it had been unable to win in Congress over the past twenty years!
Moreover, the terms would be imposed by a court order, not by a statute. That meant that any violation could be prosecuted as a contempt of court, by the parties to the lawsuit rather than by the government. A future Congress could not repeal the judgment, and a future White House could not block its enforcement. The settlement would have a permanent existence outside the democratic process.
The terms were extensive and drastic:
Gun manufacturers must stop producing firearms (rifle, pistol, or shotguns) that could accept detachable magazines holding more than ten rounds. In practice, since there is no way to design a detachable-magazine firearm that cannot take larger magazines, this would mean ceasing production of all firearms with detachable magazines. No more semiauto handguns.
The manufacturers would be required to stop production of magazines holding more than ten rounds.
Manufacturers must also stop production of firearms with polymer frames. All handguns made must meet importation standards (long barrels, target sights, etc.).
After five years, manufacturers must produce nothing but “smart guns” (that is, using “authorized user technology”).
But those conditions were just the beginning. The next requirement was the key to regulating all licensed firearms dealers, as well. The manufacturers must agree to sell only to distributors and dealers who agreed to comply with the standards set for distributors and dealers. Thus dealers would were not parties to the lawsuits would be forced to comply, upon pain of being unable to buy inventory.
The dealers in turn must agree:
They’d make no sales at gun shows, and no sales over internet.
They’d hold their customers to one-gun-a-month, for all types of guns, not just handguns.
They would not sell used or new magazines holding more than ten rounds.
They would not sell any firearm that fell within the definitions of the 1994 “assault weapon ban,” even if the ban expired.
They must prove they have a minimum inventory of each manufacturers’ product, and that they derive a majority of their revenue from firearms or sporting equipment sales. No more small town hardware store dealers, and no more WalMarts with gun sections.
The manufacturers would be required to pay for a “monitor,” a person to make sure the settlement was enforced. The monitor would create a “sales data clearinghouse,” to which the manufacturers, distributors, and dealers must report each gun sale, thus creating a registration system, outside of the government and thus not covered by the Privacy Act.
The monitor would have the authority to hire investigators, inspect dealer records without notice, and to “conduct undercover sting operations.” The monitor would thus serve as a private BATFE, without the legal restrictions that bind that agency, and paid for by the gun industry itself.
The manufacturers must cut off any dealer who failed to comply, and whenever BATFE traced a gun to a dealer, the dealer would be presumed guilty unless he could prove himself innocent. (BATFE encourages police departments to trace every firearm that comes into their hands, including firearms turned in, lost and found, and recovered from thieves. As a result, it performs over 300,000 traces a year. Thus, this term would lead to many dealers being cut off and forced to prove their innocence on a regular basis).
Gun registration, one gun a month, magazines limited to ten rounds, no Glocks, no guns with detachable magazines (in effect, no semiauto handguns), no dealers at gun shows, an “assault weapon ban” in perpetuity, no internet sales. In short, the movement to restrict gun owners would have achieved, in one stroke, every objective it had labored for over the years -- indeed, it would have achieved some that (a ban on semiauto handguns) that were so bold it had never dared to propose them. All this would be achieved without the messy necessity of winning a majority vote in Congress.
What part of that included the gun confiscation you claim?
They need gun registration before they can confiscate guns....
First comes banning creation of new guns, then comes the confiscation. Left wingers take the long view......which is why they push for universal background checks, knowing that they don't stop criminals or mass shooters......they need universal background checks implemented so that, when criminals and mass shooters still get guns....they can come back and demand universal gun registration, which they need before they start banning guns, so law abiding gun owners can't hide their guns....
I Guess all the people on the left running for President that have said they want to ban all firearms are not Democrats and ,leaders of the party right MORON?Or all guns must be banned because one was used illegally?
You poor guy. Your fear that all guns will be confiscated reminds me of a kid who is convinced there is a monster under his bed. It doesn't matter how many times his parents tell him there is no monster, that poor kid is still afraid. Kids usually outgrow such irrational fears, but it looks like you have some sort of flaw that prevents you from doing that.
You know, if the entire leadership of the democrat party wasn't saying they want to confiscate guns....you might have a point.....you might want to tell them to stop saying they want to confiscate guns....and make them stop using the courts and the law to keep banning guns, magazines, and pieces of equipment....
The entire leadership of the Democratic party isn't saying that, and has never said they want to confiscate all guns. Where did you hear that? I know it's hard for you to separate real voices from the voices that are just in your head, but you really should try.
Hmmm...you mean like this guy?
“I don’t believe people should be able to own guns.”
President Barack Obama, during conversation with economist and author John Lott Jr. at the University of Chicago Law School in the 1990s
“If I could have gotten...an outright ban – ‘Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns’ – I would have!”
Senator Diane Feinstein, author of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban
“We’re bending the law as far as we can to ban an entirely new class of guns.”
Rahm Emmanuel, President Obama's former Chief of Staff and a senior advisor to President Bill Clinton
“Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe.”
Sen. Dianne Feinstein
Talk about deception....quotes from the 90’s....no context....even Rahm’s quote is talking about banning a particular class of guns. Not all guns.
LolLolLolYes, No one should have socialized medicine/healthcare forced on them… It’s a living hell for conservatives
The Living hell are not those having healthcare forced upon them, but those who literally die because of lack of healthcare for treatable illnesses.
Even more sad, is for the family who lose the loved ones.
The people that have to pay for it can’t afford it, do not want it and cannot benefit from it... It’s only worth a shit if it’s 100% voluntary
People need to pay for their own shit...
The average cost of healthcare spending in the USA, approaches 10K a year for out of pocket + government spending, this is not just the highest in the World, it's the highest by far.
Yet, we don't live the longest, so it just shows are system is kind of garbage.
Our system is broken, in fact I can't think of a heck of a lot of things not broken in the USA.
The USA is becoming more, and more like a Third-World nation by each year passing by.
Socialized medicine/healthcare certainly is not the answer, forcing that shit on people destroys people
Germany pays about half of what the USA spends on healthcare, and yet they live longer.
Something's not quite right with the Republican perspective on Healthcare.
LolLolLolThe Living hell are not those having healthcare forced upon them, but those who literally die because of lack of healthcare for treatable illnesses.
Even more sad, is for the family who lose the loved ones.
The people that have to pay for it can’t afford it, do not want it and cannot benefit from it... It’s only worth a shit if it’s 100% voluntary
People need to pay for their own shit...
The average cost of healthcare spending in the USA, approaches 10K a year for out of pocket + government spending, this is not just the highest in the World, it's the highest by far.
Yet, we don't live the longest, so it just shows are system is kind of garbage.
Our system is broken, in fact I can't think of a heck of a lot of things not broken in the USA.
The USA is becoming more, and more like a Third-World nation by each year passing by.
Socialized medicine/healthcare certainly is not the answer, forcing that shit on people destroys people
Germany pays about half of what the USA spends on healthcare, and yet they live longer.
Something's not quite right with the Republican perspective on Healthcare.
Socialized medicine/healthcare should be 100% voluntary, it does not require everyone’s participation. Millions of Americans would not benefit from socialize medicine, do not want anything to do with it and cannot afford it.
More frivolous gun control laws....Hmmm...you mean like this guy?
“I don’t believe people should be able to own guns.”
President Barack Obama, during conversation with economist and author John Lott Jr. at the University of Chicago Law School in the 1990s
“If I could have gotten...an outright ban – ‘Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns’ – I would have!”
Senator Diane Feinstein, author of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban
“We’re bending the law as far as we can to ban an entirely new class of guns.”
Rahm Emmanuel, President Obama's former Chief of Staff and a senior advisor to President Bill Clinton
“Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe.”
Sen. Dianne Feinstein
Talk about deception....quotes from the 90’s....no context....even Rahm’s quote is talking about banning a particular class of guns. Not all guns.
You think obama changed his mind? Or Feinstein?
Obama was president for 8 years. Please point out the laws he enacted that would confiscate all guns.
He cared more about getting obama care first passed, then kept......to do that he needed to control congress, and didn't want to lose members to anti-gun votes the way bill clinton did. He put his efforts into stacking the lower courts and the Supreme Court with anti-gun judges....as we see in the people he put on the 9th, 4th, and 2nd Courts of appeals and the other federal benches.....they have ignored the rulings in Heller, and MacDonald over and over again.....knowing that the Supreme Court was divided 4-4 on gun issues.....they would have fixed that if hilary had won...
You conspiracy theory gun nuts will will stretch credibility all out of shape to match your silly claims, won't you? Your attempt at an explanation is absurd on several levels.
LolLolLolLol
The people that have to pay for it can’t afford it, do not want it and cannot benefit from it... It’s only worth a shit if it’s 100% voluntary
People need to pay for their own shit...
The average cost of healthcare spending in the USA, approaches 10K a year for out of pocket + government spending, this is not just the highest in the World, it's the highest by far.
Yet, we don't live the longest, so it just shows are system is kind of garbage.
Our system is broken, in fact I can't think of a heck of a lot of things not broken in the USA.
The USA is becoming more, and more like a Third-World nation by each year passing by.
Socialized medicine/healthcare certainly is not the answer, forcing that shit on people destroys people
Germany pays about half of what the USA spends on healthcare, and yet they live longer.
Something's not quite right with the Republican perspective on Healthcare.
Socialized medicine/healthcare should be 100% voluntary, it does not require everyone’s participation. Millions of Americans would not benefit from socialize medicine, do not want anything to do with it and cannot afford it.
Correction, Americans can't afford to have the healthcare system they have now.
Provide some quotes then.You honestly have not heard what the top democrats running for President have said about firearms? Do you sleep all day and only check this site once in a while? Or are you, like usual, lying through your teeth?Shall we bookmark this comment for the next mass shooting where you and your ilk all claim the entire right is to blame for one shooter?
Or all guns must be banned because one was used illegally?
You poor guy. Your fear that all guns will be confiscated reminds me of a kid who is convinced there is a monster under his bed. It doesn't matter how many times his parents tell him there is no monster, that poor kid is still afraid. Kids usually outgrow such irrational fears, but it looks like you have some sort of flaw that prevents you from doing that.
You know, if the entire leadership of the democrat party wasn't saying they want to confiscate guns....you might have a point.....you might want to tell them to stop saying they want to confiscate guns....and make them stop using the courts and the law to keep banning guns, magazines, and pieces of equipment....
The entire leadership of the Democratic party isn't saying that, and has never said they want to confiscate all guns. Where did you hear that? I know it's hard for you to separate real voices from the voices that are just in your head, but you really should try.
LolLolLolThe average cost of healthcare spending in the USA, approaches 10K a year for out of pocket + government spending, this is not just the highest in the World, it's the highest by far.
Yet, we don't live the longest, so it just shows are system is kind of garbage.
Our system is broken, in fact I can't think of a heck of a lot of things not broken in the USA.
The USA is becoming more, and more like a Third-World nation by each year passing by.
Socialized medicine/healthcare certainly is not the answer, forcing that shit on people destroys people
Germany pays about half of what the USA spends on healthcare, and yet they live longer.
Something's not quite right with the Republican perspective on Healthcare.
Socialized medicine/healthcare should be 100% voluntary, it does not require everyone’s participation. Millions of Americans would not benefit from socialize medicine, do not want anything to do with it and cannot afford it.
Correction, Americans can't afford to have the healthcare system they have now.
What about the ones that want nothing to do with socialize medicine/health care? Millions of conservatives fit that bill… They cannot benefit from it, they want nothing to do with it and they cannot afford it
And there you go DEFENDING the left when it makes broad general claims about local nut cases as if it were the whole right wing all the while claiming when ever a left wing nut does something it was just ONE nut.How are two disturbed teen kids, motivated by anger over bullying, equivalent to a shooter shooting up a church full of black people in order to start a race war, or a man shooting up a Synagogue full of Jews because he hates Jews. It is all tragic. But the motivations behind the acts somewhat different.
So?
So why was it such a big deal to note it was Right-Wingers involved when Bowers killed Jews, or Roof killed Blacks?
Now, when it comes to Leftist massacres, then it's just "So".
I guess Cory Booker just didn't say he would ban all firearms if he could or the Lady from California that slept her way to top did not say she wanted to ban firearms either? Right? That never happened and you never heard it right you dumb fucking MORON.Provide some quotes then.You honestly have not heard what the top democrats running for President have said about firearms? Do you sleep all day and only check this site once in a while? Or are you, like usual, lying through your teeth?Or all guns must be banned because one was used illegally?
You poor guy. Your fear that all guns will be confiscated reminds me of a kid who is convinced there is a monster under his bed. It doesn't matter how many times his parents tell him there is no monster, that poor kid is still afraid. Kids usually outgrow such irrational fears, but it looks like you have some sort of flaw that prevents you from doing that.
You know, if the entire leadership of the democrat party wasn't saying they want to confiscate guns....you might have a point.....you might want to tell them to stop saying they want to confiscate guns....and make them stop using the courts and the law to keep banning guns, magazines, and pieces of equipment....
The entire leadership of the Democratic party isn't saying that, and has never said they want to confiscate all guns. Where did you hear that? I know it's hard for you to separate real voices from the voices that are just in your head, but you really should try.
