DACA

[Coyote]

While I don't agree...thank you for providing a decent, thought out argument

De nada, Senor.

And now I have to ask: Why do you still disagree?

Because, the President's EO was legal - it has, to this point, withstood the test of law. If it is overturned in the courts, I'll go along with that also. And because Congress refused to act on any sort of comprehensive immigration reform (which we need). And because these children should not be punished for the actions of their parents.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Why do you want to punish children for the sins of their parents?

Which is the worst punishment? The children living in ignorance of the law? Having them face an uncertain future with their parents always on the run? Or sending them home with their parents and teaching them a valuable life lesson? Those children are the responsibility of the parent. It is not the government's responsibility.

Do you understand the scope of DACA as it was written by the Obama Admin? From Wiki:

Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) is an American immigration policy founded by the Obama administration in June 2012. DACA allows certain illegal immigrants who entered the country as minors, to receive a renewable two-year period of deferred action from deportation and eligibility for a work permit.

The policy was created after acknowledgment that these illegal students had been largely raised in the United States, and was seen as a way to remove immigration enforcement attention from "low priority" individuals with good behavior.[1] The illegal immigrant student population was rapidly increasing; approximately 65,000 illegal immigrant students graduate from U.S. high schools on a yearly basis.[2]

Oh boy. Like I said, this is nothing more than a reward, a complete and total disregard for the law as it stands apart from DACA. A scapegoat.

You have no respect for the law, and neither did Obama.

 

[Coyote]

Answer my question twit. I answered yours in my very first post in this thread yet you've spent pages avoiding mine.

If you're all about "protecting children" who got here because of their parents why do you support the systemic slaughter of millions of babies via abortion?

You won't answer the question because it blows your "for the children" emotional bullshit out the door.
You're a hypocrite using illegal children to push your agenda.

Oh...I didn't answer quick enough gramps? I'm one and responding to many here.

Abortion is a different argument. Like I said - start a thread on it.

If you oppose abortion then....that would make you a hypocrite here wouldn't it?

Answer the question.

Sure. I'll answer it. There is a difference between born and unborn.

Now. YOU answer.

Your right. Liberals can farm body parts for profit off the unborn and votes off the illegals.

That is a big difference.

It would be a difference if it were true.

 

[Little-Acorn]

This is when I have to ask...where is your heart?

Actually, you have to ask, Where is the law?

If your heart says you should violate the law, does that make it OK to do it?

Generations ago, Congress passed our immigration laws, and the President at the time signed them into law. They said that any foreign national who comes into the country without a visa, should be deported. The law made no exception for very young children.

DACA is a program created by Executive Order by Barack Obama. In doing so, he simply ignored the law. And then violated it. Is this what Presidents should do?

If Obama's heart told him it was bad to deport someone who had been brought into the country illegally by his parents when he was maybe 1 or two years old... why didn't Obama go to Congress (then fully controlled by Democrats), get them to pass a bill changing the immigration laws to allow grown adults who were brought in as young children to stay? Why did he take it upon himself to violate his own oath of office and break the laws passed by Congress instead? If this idea was as popular as the liberals say it is, there should have been no problem getting Congress to change the law... should there?

The reason is, because most Americans didn't want the law changed. And the Congressmen knew they might lose their next election if they changed the law that way, that's why.

Congress has had plenty of time - decades - to change the law. And they have deliberately kept it unchanged.

If your heart says that's not right... have YOU tried to get Congress to change the law? Or are you pretty sure you'd never succeed... because most American people don't want the law changed?

The American way is to have laws passed by our Representatives and signed by the President... and to have them changed by those representatives and signed into different form by the President. And to OBEY them until they are changed.

People who don't want to follow that pattern, should maybe find a different country where they don't do that. Until they do, no, they shouldn't just start letting illegal aliens who were brought here as kids, stay. That would violate the law - a law that America clearly doesn't want changed. Only a small but vocal minority want it differently.

Some anti-Americans would love to see our highest elected officials violate refuse to do their jobs and start violating American law instead. It would be the first step toward tearing down any American law they feel like, and transforming the country into something the American people don't want.

And those anti-Americans know that their best chance of success is to get Americans to say, "Where is your heart?" ....and carefully ignore the more important question, "Do we want our elected officials to obey and enforce the law we made our representatives pass... or not?"

 

[Coyote]

Are you an American citizen and do you financially support and give shelter to illegal aliens in your home?

Illegal Aliens should be forced to have abortions if they are caught in the US.

Are you an American citizen and do you financially support and give shelter to illegal aliens in your home?

You have no courage. NONE

It's "For the children" until they are a factor in opposition to your party platform.

Pathetic hypocrite

I don't have a party. I happen to think DACA is a good idea. WHY punish those children? We aren't talking about all illegals. We're talking about a select group brought to the US through no choice of their own. Does that logic escape you?

Answer my question twit. I answered yours in my very first post in this thread yet you've spent pages avoiding mine.

If you're all about "protecting children" who got here because of their parents why do you support the systemic slaughter of millions of babies via abortion?

You won't answer the question because it blows your "for the children" emotional bullshit out the door.
You're a hypocrite using illegal children to push your agenda.

Oh...I didn't answer quick enough gramps? I'm one and responding to many here.

Abortion is a different argument. Like I said - start a thread on it.

If you oppose abortion then....that would make you a hypocrite here wouldn't it?

Do you house homeless veterans in your home?
Do you house unwanted children or offer to provide a womb for aborted fetus'?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Oh...I didn't answer quick enough gramps? I'm one and responding to many here.

Abortion is a different argument. Like I said - start a thread on it.

If you oppose abortion then....that would make you a hypocrite here wouldn't it?

Answer the question.

Sure. I'll answer it. There is a difference between born and unborn.

Now. YOU answer.

Your right. Liberals can farm body parts for profit off the unborn and votes off the illegals.

That is a big difference.

It would be a difference if it were true.

It's as true as you thinking they have a right to be here.

Ultimately it matters not because according to all reports Trump will scrap the Obama EO so fuck them, this topic & you.

Good night

 

[The Original Tree]

Fuck The Law!

Clinton, Comey & Obama did and are Now Millionaires for it.

 

[Gracie]

I wish I could join the convo...but unfortunately, I am biased due to recent events in my life.

That might be what this conversation needs. A fresh perspective. If you have experienced this in any way, your judgement is more valuable than mine or Coyote's or anyone else's.

Share, or don't. It's your choice, by all means.

Yes, I know from experience. But it is not a story for here at USMB.

Suffice it to say, I am not very tolerant of single parents here illegally with a kid or two or three that gets a roof over their head before I will at 65 years of age with a husband that is 70 and are citizens from birth. I'll be lucky to get a place before I die of older age because there are a LOT of single mothers out there..legal and illegal...that are always pushed to the front of the list just behind veterans. I don't mind being second place to vets. I do mind being second place to some illegal skank and her heathens.

See? My anger just showed. I don't want to go there. So..I'll just read and shake my head.

 

[The Original Tree]

I have done both of those things.

Are you an American citizen and do you financially support and give shelter to illegal aliens in your home?

Are you an American citizen and do you financially support and give shelter to illegal aliens in your home?

Illegal Aliens should be forced to have abortions if they are caught in the US.

Are you an American citizen and do you financially support and give shelter to illegal aliens in your home?

I don't have a party. I happen to think DACA is a good idea. WHY punish those children? We aren't talking about all illegals. We're talking about a select group brought to the US through no choice of their own. Does that logic escape you?

Answer my question twit. I answered yours in my very first post in this thread yet you've spent pages avoiding mine.

If you're all about "protecting children" who got here because of their parents why do you support the systemic slaughter of millions of babies via abortion?

You won't answer the question because it blows your "for the children" emotional bullshit out the door.
You're a hypocrite using illegal children to push your agenda.

Oh...I didn't answer quick enough gramps? I'm one and responding to many here.

Abortion is a different argument. Like I said - start a thread on it.

If you oppose abortion then....that would make you a hypocrite here wouldn't it?

Do you house homeless veterans in your home?
Do you house unwanted children or offer to provide a womb for aborted fetus'?

 

[Coyote]

Oh...I didn't answer quick enough gramps? I'm one and responding to many here.

Abortion is a different argument. Like I said - start a thread on it.

If you oppose abortion then....that would make you a hypocrite here wouldn't it?

Answer the question.

Sure. I'll answer it. There is a difference between born and unborn.

Now. YOU answer.

Your right. Liberals can farm body parts for profit off the unborn and votes off the illegals.

That is a big difference.

It would be a difference if it were true.

It's as true as you thinking they have a right to be here.

Ultimately it matters not because according to all reports Trump will scrap the Obama EO so fuck them, this topic & you.

Good night

SO....you oppose abortion....but support punishing the children of illegal immigrants? Kinda makes you a hypocrite too doesn't it?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Urgh...

I'm going to bed now. Too many emotions flying around... I have a fantasy football draft and a football game to prepare for.

Later.

 

[Coyote]

Urgh...

I'm going to bed now. Too many emotions flying around... I have a fantasy football draft and a football game to prepare for.

Later.

Draft me

 

[Kosh]

This is when I have to ask...where is your heart?

These are people who were brought to the US as CHILDREN. Not their choice. For many - America is the only culture they know. They are as American as you or I...just don't have the right papers.

This is not a huge group of people - and they are people who are in school or employed or in the military - people making a go of it. The kind of people who define what it is to be American. They are working at or being educated for feilds such as teaching, nursing, law, medicine...kind of what we need.

We have low unemployment. They aren't taking jobs from anyone.

So why such vitriole towards them and the program?

I commend Paul Ryan for speaking up here.

And...I hesitantly commend Trump for at least finding it a STRUGGLE between his heart and his campaign promise.

I hope his heart wins.

Congress MUST address comprehensive immigration reform. The only reason Obama ordered DACA was because Congress WOULD NOT DO IT.

So do it damn it! Don't destroy these young and VERY AMERICAN lives!

More far left drone tripe based on support of the worst president ever, Obama!

Never vote far left as that is never the answer.

Congress has a lot to do and Obama should have gone to Congress in the first place..

 

[Coyote]

I have done both of those things.

Are you an American citizen and do you financially support and give shelter to illegal aliens in your home?

Are you an American citizen and do you financially support and give shelter to illegal aliens in your home?

Illegal Aliens should be forced to have abortions if they are caught in the US.

Are you an American citizen and do you financially support and give shelter to illegal aliens in your home?

Answer my question twit. I answered yours in my very first post in this thread yet you've spent pages avoiding mine.

If you're all about "protecting children" who got here because of their parents why do you support the systemic slaughter of millions of babies via abortion?

You won't answer the question because it blows your "for the children" emotional bullshit out the door.
You're a hypocrite using illegal children to push your agenda.

Oh...I didn't answer quick enough gramps? I'm one and responding to many here.

Abortion is a different argument. Like I said - start a thread on it.

If you oppose abortion then....that would make you a hypocrite here wouldn't it?

Do you house homeless veterans in your home?
Do you house unwanted children or offer to provide a womb for aborted fetus'?

In your home?

 

[The Original Tree]

Yes Foreigner Fuck Face. I have taken all kinds of people in to my home and sheltered them over the years.

Drug addicts and alcoholics are the worst. I gave up on them. Never again.

I doubt you have ever made a serious sacrifice to help anyone in your life that would personally cost you something, but you'll gladly teach in to my wallet to ask me to pay for YOUR bleeding heart.

Fuck that and Fuck you thief!

Are you an American citizen and do you financially support and give shelter to illegal aliens in your home?

I have done both of those things.

Are you an American citizen and do you financially support and give shelter to illegal aliens in your home?

Are you an American citizen and do you financially support and give shelter to illegal aliens in your home?

Illegal Aliens should be forced to have abortions if they are caught in the US.

Are you an American citizen and do you financially support and give shelter to illegal aliens in your home?

Oh...I didn't answer quick enough gramps? I'm one and responding to many here.

Abortion is a different argument. Like I said - start a thread on it.

If you oppose abortion then....that would make you a hypocrite here wouldn't it?

Do you house homeless veterans in your home?
Do you house unwanted children or offer to provide a womb for aborted fetus'?

In your home?

 

[Kosh]

Yes Foreigner Fuck Face. I have taken all kinds of people in to my home and sheltered them over the years.

Drug addicts and alcoholics are the worst. I gave up on them. Never again.

I doubt you have ever made a serious sacrifice to help anyone in your life that would personally cost you something, but you'll gladly teach in to my wallet to ask me to pay for YOUR bleeding heart.

Fuck that and Fuck you thief!

Are you an American citizen and do you financially support and give shelter to illegal aliens in your home?

I have done both of those things.

Are you an American citizen and do you financially support and give shelter to illegal aliens in your home?

Are you an American citizen and do you financially support and give shelter to illegal aliens in your home?

Illegal Aliens should be forced to have abortions if they are caught in the US.

Are you an American citizen and do you financially support and give shelter to illegal aliens in your home?

Oh...I didn't answer quick enough gramps? I'm one and responding to many here.

Abortion is a different argument. Like I said - start a thread on it.

If you oppose abortion then....that would make you a hypocrite here wouldn't it?

Do you house homeless veterans in your home?
Do you house unwanted children or offer to provide a womb for aborted fetus'?

In your home?

It is a far left drone, they believe that others should do what they are supposed to do, but since they belong to the far left religion. They never have to practice what they want others to do!

 

[Coyote]

Yes Foreigner Fuck Face. I have taken all kinds of people in to my home and sheltered them over the years.

Drug addicts and alcoholics are the worst. I gave up on them. Never again.

I doubt you have ever made a serious sacrifice to help anyone in your life that would personally cost you something, but you'll gladly teach in to my wallet to ask me to pay for YOUR bleeding heart.

Fuck that and Fuck you thief!

Are you an American citizen and do you financially support and give shelter to illegal aliens in your home?

I have done both of those things.

Are you an American citizen and do you financially support and give shelter to illegal aliens in your home?

Are you an American citizen and do you financially support and give shelter to illegal aliens in your home?

Illegal Aliens should be forced to have abortions if they are caught in the US.

Are you an American citizen and do you financially support and give shelter to illegal aliens in your home?

Oh...I didn't answer quick enough gramps? I'm one and responding to many here.

Abortion is a different argument. Like I said - start a thread on it.

If you oppose abortion then....that would make you a hypocrite here wouldn't it?

Do you house homeless veterans in your home?
Do you house unwanted children or offer to provide a womb for aborted fetus'?

In your home?

And you are wrong.

But fuck you too

 

[Kosh]

Although once again someone beat you to the posting of such a subject:

Yet another "scary" promise made by Trump....DACA

nat4900, Today at 9:11 PM

Coyote, Today at 9:26 PM


Once again it is all about the OP!

 

[Coyote]

Have you tried to stop The Nazi Eugenics of Planned Parenthood? You know.. For The Unborn Children?

I dream that these 3rd world countries will have their own schools

Many do. Do you support them...or just dream?

They can't do it themselves?

When you're in a country where the Taliban destroys schools and murders schoogirls for having the audacity to want an education...or a country over run by gang and drug violence to the point where law is meaningless...maybe not.

Have you tried? I mean..it's simple right?

Try to stick to facts rather than conspiracy theory. Ok?

 

[Rustic]

This is when I have to ask...where is your heart?

These are people who were brought to the US as CHILDREN. Not their choice. For many - America is the only culture they know. They are as American as you or I...just don't have the right papers.

This is not a huge group of people - and they are people who are in school or employed or in the military - people making a go of it. The kind of people who define what it is to be American. They are working at or being educated for feilds such as teaching, nursing, law, medicine...kind of what we need.

We have low unemployment. They aren't taking jobs from anyone.

So why such vitriole towards them and the program?

I commend Paul Ryan for speaking up here.

And...I hesitantly commend Trump for at least finding it a STRUGGLE between his heart and his campaign promise.

I hope his heart wins.

Congress MUST address comprehensive immigration reform. The only reason Obama ordered DACA was because Congress WOULD NOT DO IT.

So do it damn it! Don't destroy these young and VERY AMERICAN lives!

Fuck DACA... you progressives want DACA… Fucking pay for it yourselves... assholes