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Doing the same thing when the next debt ceiling comes due early next year.
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The Republicans orchestrated the Citizens United bullshit and looked at it as a means to destroy the Democratic Party. Imagine having unlimited corporate donations from anonymous sources to steamroll your political opponents?
Instead, these political donations are lining up to set one side of the Republican Party against the other. TeaTards have money and they use it against Republicans not Democrats
Oh yeah. Citizens United is an abomination. It is one the worst pieces of legislation that has ever been introduced in this country.
You saw it in the 2012 election when candidates in the GOP Clown Car had unlimited funds to run futile campaigns. The eventual GOP candidate burnt himself out before he even got to the convention
Now anonymous contributors are lining up on both sides of a GOP Civil War. The TeaTards lack the numbers but have the political clout to bully moderate Republicans into submission
Nobody else is acting like terrorists, wife beaters, Confederates, arsonists or psychopaths
Republicans need to man up and acknowledge that their antics are damaging the country. This is not a case of both sides being equally guilty. The Republicans orchestrated this crisis and deserve any names they are being called
"It's Obama's fault because he won't pretend that he lost those ObamaCare votes (and SCOTUS ruling)."
Please - are they really counting on people being THAT stupid?
The Tea Party is succeeding in one thing and one thing only: Making Themselves and Republicans (by association) look stupid.
You wanna fight overspending? I'm with you 100%.
You wanna destroy my country by picking incredibly stupid fights? Count me out.
deep gop made mess of this shutdown and debt fight. But that does not mean they won,t do well in midterms next year. A year a long time in politics. Obama knows this as in 2011 he looked finished and year later he won reelection.
Where does the GOP go from here?
The GOP has taken a blood bath in this debacle. The GOP brand has taken some serious damage for no practical gain. They have been weakened politically and embarassed on an international stage
What do they do?
The GOP needs to address their TeaTard problem head on. They need to treat them like the cancer that they are and stop accomodating them. They need to make it clear that "We tried it your way and had our asses handed to us."
They need to abandon the Hastert Rule which forbids bipartisanship. It may have made sense in a kinder, gentler time....but to allow a small minority of your party to abandon common sense in an attempt to bring down the hated Government is political lunacy
The TeaTards need to be placed in a box and ignored by both parties. That will allow the adults in the room to go about their business of running the country
But what is tragic is that they won't. The Tea Party is here to stay. Why? Because the Tea Party operates on emotion. They are an emotionally charged movement. People would prefer to think on emotion rather than on facts and critical thinking. See when a person learns enough facts on an issue, it challenges their perspective. Teabaggers would rather avoid that cognitive dissonance.
if abiding by the Constitution, eliminating deficit spending, etc., is governance by emotion, than what do you consider rational governance...
Doing the same thing when the next debt ceiling comes due early next year.
Nobody else is acting like terrorists, wife beaters, Confederates, arsonists or psychopaths
Republicans need to man up and acknowledge that their antics are damaging the country. This is not a case of both sides being equally guilty. The Republicans orchestrated this crisis and deserve any names they are being called
Man up? Stop calling names first. How does that promote progress?
Liberal name-calling | Government shutdown | Democrat Lawmakers
please try to keep up.
Say aloud five times, "Sticks and Stones can break my bones, but names will never hurt me."
Feel better now?![]()
Oh yeah. Citizens United is an abomination. It is one the worst pieces of legislation that has ever been introduced in this country.
You saw it in the 2012 election when candidates in the GOP Clown Car had unlimited funds to run futile campaigns. The eventual GOP candidate burnt himself out before he even got to the convention
Now anonymous contributors are lining up on both sides of a GOP Civil War. The TeaTards lack the numbers but have the political clout to bully moderate Republicans into submission
I won't call them names, but really would it be terrible if the TPM primaried out a bunch of establishment house members and then had to run in general elections?
Doing the same thing when the next debt ceiling comes due early next year.
yeah, I fully expect the TPM to try and hold the nation hostage over Obamacare. But, the rest of Wash may figure that out too, and that would be a reason to actually reach a bipartisan deal to reduce entitlement outlays and raise some revenue for deficit reduction ... you know .. actually REACH A COMPROMISE.
If the TPM stood in the way of that, imo there'd be some actual real fallout on them.
You saw it in the 2012 election when candidates in the GOP Clown Car had unlimited funds to run futile campaigns. The eventual GOP candidate burnt himself out before he even got to the convention
Now anonymous contributors are lining up on both sides of a GOP Civil War. The TeaTards lack the numbers but have the political clout to bully moderate Republicans into submission
I won't call them names, but really would it be terrible if the TPM primaried out a bunch of establishment house members and then had to run in general elections?
Wouldn't be bad for Democrats.
It's how the GOP lost the Senate.
But I'm not a fan of "establishment" candidates. I favor moderate candidates who want to reduce spending. I believe their is a big difference.
Our Republic wasn't meant to operate efficiently or by a majority. That is why we have a House of Representatives & Electoral College. The Founding Fathers feared mob rule mentality just for this very reason.
Thanks for your concern Chav chops!!"It's Obama's fault because he won't pretend that he lost those ObamaCare votes (and SCOTUS ruling)."
Please - are they really counting on people being THAT stupid?
The Tea Party is succeeding in one thing and one thing only: Making Themselves and Republicans (by association) look stupid.
You wanna fight overspending? I'm with you 100%.
You wanna destroy my country by picking incredibly stupid fights? Count me out.
And really, would it be such a terrible thing, even if we had to keep the individual mandate, which there would be ways around, but even if we had to keep WOULD IT BE THE END OF THE FREAKIGN FREE WORLD
to have a healthcare scheme where taxing insurors and doctors raised money that we used to pay for other people to have insurance for their kids.
I mean are they seriously thinking we're going Cuba here? Well they are, and THIS IS THE CRAZY coming out.
Deep down america will remain a great country whoever in charge of it. It people are strong and i think it always will carry on whoever leading it. whether thats gop or dems
that's all well and good, but don't sell a bunch of voters on the notion that 50 house members can derail a law.
I won't call them names, but really would it be terrible if the TPM primaried out a bunch of establishment house members and then had to run in general elections?
Wouldn't be bad for Democrats.
It's how the GOP lost the Senate.
But I'm not a fan of "establishment" candidates. I favor moderate candidates who want to reduce spending. I believe their is a big difference.
I won't disagree. But what I meant is sort of what happened with Lugar's senate seat. The gop ran a nut and Donnelly won. He's left leaning, but wants lower deficits. There are worse things.
"It's Obama's fault because he won't pretend that he lost those ObamaCare votes (and SCOTUS ruling)."
Please - are they really counting on people being THAT stupid?
The Tea Party is succeeding in one thing and one thing only: Making Themselves and Republicans (by association) look stupid.
You wanna fight overspending? I'm with you 100%.
You wanna destroy my country by picking incredibly stupid fights? Count me out.
And really, would it be such a terrible thing, even if we had to keep the individual mandate, which there would be ways around, but even if we had to keep WOULD IT BE THE END OF THE FREAKIGN FREE WORLD
to have a healthcare scheme where taxing insurors and doctors raised money that we used to pay for other people to have insurance for their kids.
I mean are they seriously thinking we're going Cuba here? Well they are, and THIS IS THE CRAZY coming out.
Deep down america will remain a great country whoever in charge of it. It people are strong and i think it always will carry on whoever leading it. whether thats gop or dems
And really, would it be such a terrible thing, even if we had to keep the individual mandate, which there would be ways around, but even if we had to keep WOULD IT BE THE END OF THE FREAKIGN FREE WORLD
to have a healthcare scheme where taxing insurors and doctors raised money that we used to pay for other people to have insurance for their kids.
I mean are they seriously thinking we're going Cuba here? Well they are, and THIS IS THE CRAZY coming out.
And really, would it be such a terrible thing, even if we had to keep the individual mandate, which there would be ways around, but even if we had to keep WOULD IT BE THE END OF THE FREAKIGN FREE WORLD
to have a healthcare scheme where taxing insurors and doctors raised money that we used to pay for other people to have insurance for their kids.
I mean are they seriously thinking we're going Cuba here? Well they are, and THIS IS THE CRAZY coming out.
That's not even my biggest concern right now.
If you don't like the law - get the votes to repeal it. If you can't get enough votes to repeal it, then use your clout to improve it. And if you don't even have the clout to improve it, then make your case to the people and GET the clout/votes you need.
But these scorched earth tactics are LOSING them support. So it's stupid.
And I just HATE stupid. Especially when stupid is hell bent on dragging everyone else down to their level.
Sure, rewrite mandatory spending. It's what you do. don't have the votes; no problemo, just change the rules.