Debunking White Racist Opinions

[Turtlesoup]

All Rise!

This Evenings lesson:

The White Race Card.

“I conservatively estimate that tens of millions of people have been exposed to ‘Irish slaves’ disinformation in one form or another on social media.”

Liam Hogan​

From 2015 until 2019, Liam Hogan compiled some 52 different articles debunking the tale of Irish slavery. The intent here is not to denigrate nonracist Irish citizens of this country, but to destroy a popular white supremacist meme that has plagued social media and American culture for years. According to Hogan and other Irish historians in his compilation, the Irish were indentured servants and not slaves. The fallacy in the white supremacist argument lies in the fact that indentured servitude was a contractual agreement made between 2 or more parties. One party agreed that for payment of passage to America, the individual(s) would work for a specified term to repay the cost of passage. To say it was not much better than slavery is simply a lie. Slavery was permanent. Slavery was also generational. If you we born into a slave family, you were a slave. When you had children, they were slaves. There was no 7 years and a headright.

“The tale of the Irish slaves is rooted in a false conflation of indentured servitude and chattel slavery. These are not the same. Indentured servitude was a form of bonded labour, whereby a migrant agreed to work for a set period of time (between two and seven years) and in return the cost of the voyage across the Atlantic was covered. Indentured servitude was a colonial innovation that enabled many to emigrate to the New World while providing a cheap and white labour force for planters and merchants to exploit. Those who completed their term of service were awarded ‘freedom dues’ and were free. The vast majority of labourers who agreed to this system did so voluntarily, but there were many who were forcibly transplanted from the British Isles to the colonies and sold into indentured service against their will. While these forced deportees would have included political prisoners and serious felons, it is believed that the majority came from the poor and vulnerable. This forced labour was in essence an extension of the English Poor Laws, e.g. in 1697. John Locke recommended the whipping of those who ‘refused to work’ and the herding of beggars into workhouses. Indeed this criminalisation of the poor continues into the 21st century. In any case, all bar the serious felons were freed once the term of their contract expired.”

Liam Hogan​

Certainly, the Irish did endure difficulties. TSo yes, the Europeans that chose to come here with little or nothing did struggle. But the various European ethnic groups had one thing they used to lift themselves up. And they used it to step on others- the race card.

“Whiteness is a social construct, and one with concrete benefits. Being white in the U.S. has long meant better jobs and opportunities, and an escape from persecution based on appearance and culture. Although these structural advantages remain, the meaning of whiteness is still hotly debated.”

Sarah Kendzior, How do you become “white” in America?​

Those who claim today to have suffered like blacks did not. I will cite 2 groups, the Irish and the Polish. Upon coming to this country both groups were considered lesser and inferior. In the north, Irish and blacks competed for the same jobs, or should I say, were relegated to low wage, menial labor. Irish and blacks in the north lived in the same communities. Both groups mixed socially, intermarried and had biracial children. The green was the black when and where no blacks existed.

“In the early years of immigration the poor Irish and blacks were thrown together, very much part of the same class competing for the same jobs. In the census of 1850, the term mulatto appears for the first time due primarily to inter-marriage between Irish and African Americans. The Irish were often referred to as Negroes turned inside out and Negroes as smoked Irish. A famous quip of the time attributed to a black man went something like this: "My master is a great tyrant, he treats me like a common Irishman." Free blacks and Irish were viewed by the Nativists as related, somehow similar, performing the same tasks in society. It was felt that if amalgamation between the races was to happen, it would happen between Irish and blacks. But, ultimately, the Irish made the decision to embrace whiteness, thus becoming part of the system which dominated and oppressed blacks. Although it contradicted their experience back home, it meant freedom here since blackness meant slavery.

An article by a black writer in an 1860 edition of the Liberator explained how the Irish ultimately attained their objectives: "Fifteen or twenty years ago, a Catholic priest in Philadelphia said to the Irish people in that city, 'You are all poor, and chiefly laborers, the blacks are poor laborers; many of the native whites are laborers; now, if you wish to succeed, you must do everything that they do, no matter how degrading, and do it for less than they can afford to do it for.' The Irish adopted this plan; they lived on less than the Americans could live upon, and worked for less, and the result is, that nearly all the menial employments are monopolized by the Irish, who now get as good prices as anybody. There were other avenues open to American white men, and though they have suffered much, the chief support of the Irish has come from the places from which we have been crowded."

Once the Irish secured themselves in those jobs, they made sure blacks were kept out. They realized that as long as they continued to work alongside blacks, they would be considered no different. Later, as Irish became prominent in the labor movement, African Americans were excluded from participation. In fact, one of the primary themes of How the Irish Became White is the way in which left labor historians, such as the highly acclaimed Herbert Gutman, have not paid sufficient attention to the problem of race in the development of the labor movement.

And so, we have the tragic story of how one oppressed "race," Irish Catholics, learned how to collaborate in the oppression of another "race," Africans in America, in order to secure their place in the white republic. Becoming white meant losing their greenness, i.e., their Irish cultural heritage and the legacy of oppression and discrimination back home.”

Art McDonald, Ph.D., “How the Irish Became White”​

The Polish had a similar experience. As you read the next few paragraphs, you will see a pattern that has been used in modern America against another group of immigrants. “The more things change, the more they remain the same.”

“Here it is important to understand how, exactly, Americans ‘become white’. The history of Polish-Americans is an illuminating example. Upon arriving in the U.S. en masse in the late 19th and early 20th century, Poles endured discrimination based on their appearance, religion and culture. In 1903, the New England Magazine decried the Poles’ “expressionless Slavic faces” and “stunted figures” as well as their inherent “ignorance” and “propensity to violence”. Working for terrible wages, Polish workers were renamed things like “Thomas Jefferson” by their bigoted Anglo-Saxon bosses who refused to utter Polish names.

The Poles, in other words, were not considered white. Far from it: they were considered a mysterious menace that should be expelled. When Polish-American Leon Czolgosz killed President William McKinley in 1901, all Poles were deemed potential violent anarchists. “All people are mourning, and it is caused by a maniac who is of our nationality,” a Polish-American newspaper wrote, pressured to apologize for their own people. The collective blame of Poles for terrorism bears great similarity to how Muslims (both in the U.S. and Europe) are collectively blamed today.

But then something changed. In 1919, Irish gangs in blackface attacked Polish neighborhoods in Chicago in an attempt to convince Poles, and other Eastern European groups, that they, too, were “white” and should join them in the fight against blacks. As historian David R. Roediger recalls, “Poles argued that the riot was a conflict between blacks and whites, with Poles abstaining because they belonged to neither group.” But the Irish gangs considered whiteness, as is often the case in America, as anti-blackness. And as in the early 20th century Chicago experienced an influx not only of white immigrants from Europe, but blacks from the South, white groups who felt threatened by black arrivals decided that it would be politically advantageous if the Poles were considered white as well.

With that new white identity came the ability to practice the discrimination they had once endured.

Over time, the strategy of positioning Poles as “white” against a dark-skinned “other” was successful. Poles came to consider themselves white, and more importantly, they came to be considered white by their fellow Americans, as did Italians, Greeks, Jews, Russians, and others from Southern and Eastern Europe, all of whom held an ambivalent racial status in U.S. society. Also, intermarriage between white ethnic groups led some to embrace a broader white identity.”

Sarah Kendzior, How do you become “white” in America?​

In both instances these groups of whites stepped on blacks when they had the chance to unify with blacks to end the oppression of both sides in order to advance themselves. Not one of these groups can honestly make the claims of how they have had it just as bad as blacks therefore blacks just need to stop complaining and pull themselves up by the bootstraps like the Irish, Italians, Polish, etc.

Liam Hogan, All of my work on the “Irish slaves” meme (2015–’19),

Liam Hogan, Irish slaves’: the convenient myth, ‘Irish slaves’: the convenient myth

Eoin O'Carroll, No, the Irish were not slaves in the Americas, Christian Science Monitor, March 16, 2018, No, the Irish were not slaves in the Americas

Art McDonald, Ph.D., How the Irish Became White,

How the Irish Became White

Sarah Kendzior, How do you become “white” in America? How do you become “white” in America?

Geeze, you are an idiot and still know nothing. Indentured servants were often forced to become them. It is also known from comparing the graves of indentured servants and slaves that indentured servants were often worked to death that showed on their remains while slaves in the same area were often treated better as evidence by their graves dug up and examined just a few years ago. The theory is that yes indentured servants were only enslaved for a set number of years, but as such it did not matter if their lives were cut short while slaves had more long term value giving their owners a reason to take care of them better.

 

[AZrailwhale]

AZrailwhale
Your answers reveal your bullshit. Give it up, you don't want equality, I don't know what the hell you want, but it isn't equality.

OK

AZrailwhale
You see racism and white supremacy everywhere.

beacuse it is everywere

AZrailwhale
It doesn't exist to the extent you imagine.

Says the white supremacist

AZrailwhale
All I did was show what I did and what I was expected to do and ask why black mothers don't expect the same from their kids and you see it as white supremacy.

All you did was make a racial stereotype of black women and then expect me to respond to your racial stereotype

AZrailwhale
You're hopeless. Black education results show that black mothers AREN'T demanding their kids get educated, that's a fact, not opinion or anything subject to interpretation.

Nothing to do with black mothers.

How do you explain the recent scandal were affluent white and non black individuals, including television actors, corporate executives and bankers bribed and frauded their way to get admission for their children into America's most prestigious universities ?

The worst thing about this cheating scandal is that the system is already set up for whites to achieve in education.

Thats why you have the get University of Michigan (And many uni's in America) who give out 16 points to kids from certain lily-white Upper Peninsulas.

And 4 points for children of overwhelmingly white alumni ?

And 10 points for students who went to the state’s “top” schools ?

And 8 points for those who took a full slate of Advanced Placement classes in high schools (which classes are far less available in schools serving students blk students)

They're letting dumb-ass white students in there all day because of their fathers or uncles. Most blacks applying could run circles around them academically but they would never ever be admitted.

College admissions is nothing but game.

They can and do say anything to black students "your application was late" “it got lost” "We don’t like your essay"............. ANYTHING.

They reserve over 60% of seats for white students at most schools, graduate and undergraduate and then about 10-20% for asians and Indians.

But despite all that advantage white ppl still feel the need to rig the system even more as this case has shown.

AZrailwhale
If your schools aren't educating your kids, why aren't you electing school board members who promise to fix things and then holding their feet to the fire so they follow through with their promises. Schools are controlled at the local level, any parent can attend school board meetings and demand answers and change. DO IT. Demand the school boards do their jobs, if they refuse to, vote them out and elect new people until you find ones that WILL educate your kids. Don't expect me to change things for you, I don't live in your neighborhood.

Why do whites make sure predominantly Black school districts are under-funded ? under-staffed with inexperienced teachers ? denied books ? microscopes ? and other lab equipment ? and put hazardous waste near black schools ? cut art and music classes ? sports teams and sometimes hot meals in a cafeteria ?

And guess what ? Despite all that black people still thrive.
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White people know that Black people can be great scientists, economists, attorneys and anything else.

Whites want a social system were black people are handicapped by lack of education and opportunity that their only options are flipping burgers or in prison and then white and non black people try to ‘scientifically’ prove that the effects of their own racism are actually due to innate deficiencies of those they’ve practicing there racism on.

Local school boards determine spending levels per school and local elected officials determine tax rates. YOU control both in most cities. Don’t blame white people for the conduct of officials that black people elect. The schools I went to were at least as bad as any black school in LAUSD. The school was ninety percent minority and very underfunded. For the years I went to High we didn’t even have a gym because the old one was being torn down because it had been condemned as unsafe.
As for your assertion that too few seats are reserved for blacks, by your figures eighty percent are reserved for non-blacks. That leaves twenty percent for black people who are only THIRTEEN percent of the population. You have more than your fair share of seats.
As for the “scandal” the rich have always bought their way into school, for many decades the only way you could get into sone prestigious schools was to either be a legacy or buy your way in.

 

[Paul Essien]

Turtlesoup -
there were blacks all over who owned slaves and blacks who became wealthy in America. Being black did not stop them even during slavery, and whites did not stop them from making money

But they are still unde the system of white supremacy

Turtlesoup -
......many of them worked hard and developed SKILLS which allowed them to profit often within the black community itself. Whether it was running speak easies, selling makeup targeted for black women, or owning a shop that sold merchandise to blacks---many blacks did quit well.

And they were still under the system of white supremacy. And bear in mind most of people who got lynched and hung were black business owners. Black people who were see as too "uppity" "not knowing their place"

Madame C.J. Walker was the first black millionaire in 1911 making money from black beauty products. So it was all good for black people in 1911 ? Right ? Black achieve in spite of the system, not because of the system.

Turtlesoup -
You have failed....because you still can't get it through you thick skull, that successful people tend to take responsibility for themselves and families. Criminals, welfare hos, street people whine like you do

Rich blk ppl speak against racism.

LeBron James speaks up about raceism. Muhammad Ali spoke about racism. Chris Rock speaks up about racism and it takes balls to attack a system that you depends but they just thought "You know what ? Some things are more important than money"

 

[John T. Ford]

Turtlesoup -
there were blacks all over who owned slaves and blacks who became wealthy in America. Being black did not stop them even during slavery, and whites did not stop them from making money

But they still unde the system of white supre,acy

Turtlesoup -
......many of them worked hard and developed SKILLS which allowed them to profit often within the black community itself. Whether it was running speak easies, selling makeup targeted for black women, or owning a shop that sold merchandise to blacks---many blacks did quit well.

And they were still under the system of white supremacy. And bear in mind most of people who got lynched and hung were black business owners. Black people who were see as too "uppity" "not know their place"

Madame C.J. Walker was the first black millionaire in 1911 making money from black beauty products. So it was all good for black people in 1911 ? Right ? Black achieve in spite of the system, not because of the system.

Turtlesoup -
You have failed....because you still can't get it through you thick skull, that successful people tend to take responsibility for themselves and families. Criminals, welfare hos, street people whine like you do

Rich blk ppl speak against racism.

LeBron James speaks up about raceism. Muhammad Ali spoke about racism. Chris Rock speaks up about racism and it takes balls to attack a system that you depends but they just thought "You know what ? Some things are more important than money"

You are one sick RACIST FUCK ....

If there was any question about Leftism being a MENTAL DISORDER .... you certainly clarified that it is ....

 

[Paul Essien]

AZrailwhale
Local school boards determine spending levels per school and local elected officials determine tax rates. YOU control both in most cities. Don’t blame white people for the conduct of officials that black people elect.

You're just repeating what you have already wrote. You know this is bullshit

AZrailwhale
The schools I went to were at least as bad as any black school in LAUSD.

You miss the point.

Things like

1. Police harassment or brutality
2. Going to bad school
3. Assumptions of incompetence
4. Assumptions that you are prone to rape
5. Less chances of employment, higher education, or the most current health treatment, from the get go
6. Rejected for a loan

All of the above things can happen to you (or any person), but they won’t happen to you backed by the institutional power of Whiteness.

Any [insert negative action] can happen to anybody.

The difference between it happening to someone who is white and someone who is black is that the issue of whether it happens solely because of skin color (on a systemic level) does not have to be taken into account by a White person.

AZrailwhale
The school was ninety percent minority and very underfunded.

But the school was still white.

AZrailwhale
For the years I went to High we didn’t even have a gym because the old one was being torn down because it had been condemned as unsafe.

But the school was still white

AZrailwhale
As for your assertion that too few seats are reserved for blacks, by your figures eighty percent are reserved for non-blacks. That leaves twenty percent for black people who are only THIRTEEN percent of the population. You have more than your fair share of seats. As for the “scandal” the rich have always bought their way into school, for many decades the only way you could get into sone prestigious schools was to either be a legacy or buy your way in.

Even the over 100 Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) dedicated to the advancement of education for blacks. However of course white supremacy affects them due to allocation of funding and resources that generally favor historically white universities like the Ivy League.

Not to mention that blk Americans tend to be in the poorest areas of America were resources, teachers and local area are usually substandard. But then whites supremacists say blacks are stupid. Well why go to such efforts to fk shit up ? I mean were just gonna mess up everything. Right ?

White social domination makes sure white schools out compete with black schools.

And even if black people do get the qualification. You really think that those white owned corps in silicon valley and Wall Street would gladly allow truck loads of black people in ?

Happen. Not. Gonna.

The lesson to take away from American education is that if you are white, you will get your due reward, and then some. If you are nonwhite, plan on working harder to get the same reward, if any at all.

 

[mga138]

mga138
In some ways Asians are superior to Whites. Asians have higher IQ. do better in schools, and are less prone to crime than White people are. Am I supposed to lie about reality because I'm White and would rather whites were better than Asians in this way? Being a man is seeing reality and accepting facts and truth, not trying to concoct elaborate conspiracy theories in a pathetic attempt to cover unpleasant reality

So you would agree that

1. Asians should be the norm against which everyone else is judged. We should all want to be like Asians and copy them.

2. Hollywood films should have mostly Asian heroes. They should be Asian even in cases where the original character was non-Asian. They should make feel-good Asian Saviour films where a nice Asian person saves helpless White people

3. World history and news should be mainly Asian history and Asian news. Others need appear only as tokens or contributors to Asians

4. Asian governments should overthrow the governments of non-Asian countries for their own good, carpet-bombing them or sending in drones if necessary. Asians know best.

5. Asian Americans should hold most of the top positions in US society: business, banking, government, media, education. IQ data shows they are the smartest.

6. Asian couples should be portrayed as the most socially desirable couples everywhere.

7. We should get all of our ideas about other races and the world in general from Asian media.

8. Fashion models should be mainly Asians

9. Asian” nations should colonize by European nations, like Germany, UK, Italy, Spain

Absolutely Ridiculous statements with no logic. You think that because Asians have a slightly higher I.Q. and a lower crime rate, that means all other races should be abolished and everything should be given to Asians? Where do you get your absurd logic from?
This country is an outpost of Europe, not an outpost of China and this country ought to reflect that.
The Western world has its own virtues, culture, and brand of excellence that works better for us.

I think the US (and the rest of the Western World) ought to be more like Asian societies in the ways in which were once were more like them but are currently not. We should shun racial and religious diversity, as the Asians do, including curbing Asian migration.
And as far as having Asians holding top positions, they are already overrepresented in many of top fields and industries in the US, now, and many top schools are starting to discriminate against Asians (not just Whites) in admissions. Their high average intelligence sees them rise to the top naturally. Intelligent people do not need to be given anything; they achieve on their own and a healthy society gets out of their way.
A healthy society give all of it's resources to the achievers, not to the ignorant people at the bottom, as teh US society has been doing for far too long, to obviously terrible consequences.

 

[MizMolly]

THIS, is what systemic racism looks like.

Over past 10 years, 25 of 50 States have implemented voting restrictions which disproportionately affect Black voters.

Of the 3.1 million American adults estimated as banned from voting, 2.2 million are Black Americans.

The gap between white and Black home ownership remains wide with discriminatory practices still an issue.

Blacks are 5x as likely to be incarcerated vs. whites and make up an oversized percent of the U.S. prison population — 33% vs. 12% of total U.S. population.

Annually whites make up @70 percent of all arrests and 60 percent of the arrests for violent crime. There is no excuse for this.

Unless you believe you are entitled.

Peak income occurs sooner and is lower for Black males (age 45-49, $43,859) vs. white males (age 50-54, $66,250). White families have 8x as much wealth as Black families and lower debt-to-asset ratios (~10% vs. ~30%).
CLOSING THE RACIAL INEQUALITY GAPS
The Economic Cost of Black Inequality in the U.S
Citigroup

Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States 2013, Table 43

Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States 2014, Table 43

Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States 2014, Table 61

Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States 2014, Table 55

Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States 2014, Table 49

Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States 2014, Table 43

Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States 2014, https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-49our p

Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States 2014, Table 55

Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States 2015, Table 43

Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States 2016, Table 21

Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States 2017, https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43

Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States 2017, Table 43

Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States 2018, Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States 2018, ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-43

Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States 2019, Property Crime

Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States 2019, Violent Crime

Federal Bureau of Investigation, Murder, Race, Sex, and Ethnicity of Victim by Race, Sex, and Ethnicity of Offender, 2019, Expanded Homicide Table 6, Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

Federal Bureau of Investigation, Murder, Race, Sex, and Ethnicity of Victim by Race, Sex, and Ethnicity of Offender, 2019, Expanded Homicide Table 6, Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

What voting restrictions ban blacks?

 

[MizMolly]

AZrailwhale
Local school boards determine spending levels per school and local elected officials determine tax rates. YOU control both in most cities. Don’t blame white people for the conduct of officials that black people elect.

You're just repeating what you have already wrote. You know this is bullshit

AZrailwhale
The schools I went to were at least as bad as any black school in LAUSD.

You miss the point.

Things like

1. Police harassment or brutality
2. Going to bad school
3. Assumptions of incompetence
4. Assumptions that you are prone to rape
5. Less chances of employment, higher education, or the most current health treatment, from the get go
6. Rejected for a loan

All of the above things can happen to you (or any person), but they won’t happen to you backed by the institutional power of Whiteness.

Any [insert negative action] can happen to anybody.

The difference between it happening to someone who is white and someone who is black is that the issue of whether it happens solely because of skin color (on a systemic level) does not have to be taken into account by a White person.

AZrailwhale
The school was ninety percent minority and very underfunded.

But the school was still white.

AZrailwhale
For the years I went to High we didn’t even have a gym because the old one was being torn down because it had been condemned as unsafe.

But the school was still white

AZrailwhale
As for your assertion that too few seats are reserved for blacks, by your figures eighty percent are reserved for non-blacks. That leaves twenty percent for black people who are only THIRTEEN percent of the population. You have more than your fair share of seats. As for the “scandal” the rich have always bought their way into school, for many decades the only way you could get into sone prestigious schools was to either be a legacy or buy your way in.

Even the over 100 Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) dedicated to the advancement of education for blacks. However of course white supremacy affects them due to allocation of funding and resources that generally favor historically white universities like the Ivy League.

Not to mention that blk Americans tend to be in the poorest areas of America were resources, teachers and local area are usually substandard. But then whites supremacists say blacks are stupid. Well why go to such efforts to fk shit up ? I mean were just gonna mess up everything. Right ?

White social domination makes sure white schools out compete with black schools.

And even if black people do get the qualification. You really think that those white owned corps in silicon valley and Wall Street would gladly allow truck loads of black people in ?

Happen. Not. Gonna.

The lesson to take away from American education is that if you are white, you will get your due reward, and then some. If you are nonwhite, plan on working harder to get the same reward, if any at all.

Although I believe it happens, too many blacks think it is always and only because of race. A lot of whites face the same issues.

 

[mga138]

@mga138
You could leave a truck full of anything in a White neighborhoods, and the chances that anything would happen/

Whites people would probably be too busy sexually molesting their daughters.

All those white neighbourhood peadophile heaven. You have all these freaks walking through your white society and that's because the sexual abuse of minor is tolerated in white society

Wrong again, Negroid.
Statistics on sex abuse of children is hard to come by because children are protected and not releasing statistics on this topic is the general rule, now. However, there have been studies in the past.

(PDF) Racial, ethnic, and cultural factors of childhood sexual abuse: A selected review of the literature (researchgate.net)

In the Los Angeles area, known for its cultural diversity, revealed that when comparing ethnic group distribution of reported cases of sexual abuse to the groups’ representation in the county, whites and Hispanics were underreported whereas blacks were overreported (Lindholm & Willey, 1986)

AND

The National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect’s (NCCAN) yearly incidence report on documented cases of child

maltreatment reports that in 1996, there were 119, 397 victims of sexual abuse (U.S.

Department of Health and Human Services, National Center on Child Abuse and Ne-

glect, 1998). Whites constituted the largest group of abused children (53%) (A HUGE UNDERREPRESENTATION), African

American children represented the second largest group (27%), and Hispanics com-

prised 11% of the maltreated children (U.S. Department of Health and Human Ser-

vices, National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect, 1998). These rates are unsettling

when one considers that Blacks and Hispanics comprise approximately 11% and 8%

of the total U.S. population, respectively (U.S. Bureau of the Census, Department of

Commerce, 1993).


Anecdotally, my ex girlfriend worked at the rape hotline for Safe Horizon here in NYC for 7 years, and she also was charged with keeping the statistics on the issues and she said that in 7 years of working there, she couldn't recall one incident involving white people--not one. She said about 90 percent of all the calls came from Black women screaming that their Black boyfriend raped one of their daughters (sometimes even infant babies). That was by far the most common call and story she would get at Safe Horizon.

 

[mga138]

Although I believe it happens, too many blacks think it is always and only because of race. A lot of whites face the same issues.

Voter ID laws, and literacy tests and Poll taxes are not race-specific and never were. They were all good and logical programs (which we need today) that affected all people who didn't meet the qualifications.

 

[mga138]

The lesson to take away from American education is that if you are white, you will get your due reward, and then some. If you are nonwhite, plan on working harder to get the same reward, if any at all

Reality is the complete opposite of your delusional conjecture. Blacks get into schools with much lower SAT scores and get into special jobs programs and law and medical schools with much lower GPA and tests scores than Whites or Asians.

This is quantifiable fact.

And the I.Q. differential between Blacks professions and White professionals is stark.

Average IQ differences this great inevitably mean large differences in ability, which are reflected in job-performance evaluations. The IQ gaps for nurses and K-12 teachers are stark, too. Schools and hospitals would surely prefer to hire only the best candidates, but they would end up with so few “underrepresented minorities” they would be sued.

Giving Blacks undeserved schooling and professions for the sake of "Equity," has real-world consequences and most people would do far better to avoid Blacks when they need something done correctly.

 

[AZrailwhale]

AZrailwhale
Local school boards determine spending levels per school and local elected officials determine tax rates. YOU control both in most cities. Don’t blame white people for the conduct of officials that black people elect.

You're just repeating what you have already wrote. You know this is bullshit

AZrailwhale
The schools I went to were at least as bad as any black school in LAUSD.

You miss the point.

Things like

1. Police harassment or brutality
2. Going to bad school
3. Assumptions of incompetence
4. Assumptions that you are prone to rape
5. Less chances of employment, higher education, or the most current health treatment, from the get go
6. Rejected for a loan

All of the above things can happen to you (or any person), but they won’t happen to you backed by the institutional power of Whiteness.

Any [insert negative action] can happen to anybody.

The difference between it happening to someone who is white and someone who is black is that the issue of whether it happens solely because of skin color (on a systemic level) does not have to be taken into account by a White person.

AZrailwhale
The school was ninety percent minority and very underfunded.

But the school was still white.

AZrailwhale
For the years I went to High we didn’t even have a gym because the old one was being torn down because it had been condemned as unsafe.

But the school was still white

AZrailwhale
As for your assertion that too few seats are reserved for blacks, by your figures eighty percent are reserved for non-blacks. That leaves twenty percent for black people who are only THIRTEEN percent of the population. You have more than your fair share of seats. As for the “scandal” the rich have always bought their way into school, for many decades the only way you could get into sone prestigious schools was to either be a legacy or buy your way in.

Even the over 100 Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) dedicated to the advancement of education for blacks. However of course white supremacy affects them due to allocation of funding and resources that generally favor historically white universities like the Ivy League.

Not to mention that blk Americans tend to be in the poorest areas of America were resources, teachers and local area are usually substandard. But then whites supremacists say blacks are stupid. Well why go to such efforts to fk shit up ? I mean were just gonna mess up everything. Right ?

White social domination makes sure white schools out compete with black schools.

And even if black people do get the qualification. You really think that those white owned corps in silicon valley and Wall Street would gladly allow truck loads of black people in ?

Happen. Not. Gonna.

The lesson to take away from American education is that if you are white, you will get your due reward, and then some. If you are nonwhite, plan on working harder to get the same reward, if any at all.

You’re an idiot and not worth wasting any more time on. Grow up.

 

[Trickster]

IQ is psedo-science used as a foil for racism.

 

[Turtlesoup]

Turtlesoup -
there were blacks all over who owned slaves and blacks who became wealthy in America. Being black did not stop them even during slavery, and whites did not stop them from making money

But they are still unde the system of white supremacy

Turtlesoup -
......many of them worked hard and developed SKILLS which allowed them to profit often within the black community itself. Whether it was running speak easies, selling makeup targeted for black women, or owning a shop that sold merchandise to blacks---many blacks did quit well.

And they were still under the system of white supremacy. And bear in mind most of people who got lynched and hung were black business owners. Black people who were see as too "uppity" "not knowing their place"

Madame C.J. Walker was the first black millionaire in 1911 making money from black beauty products. So it was all good for black people in 1911 ? Right ? Black achieve in spite of the system, not because of the system.

Turtlesoup -
You have failed....because you still can't get it through you thick skull, that successful people tend to take responsibility for themselves and families. Criminals, welfare hos, street people whine like you do

Rich blk ppl speak against racism.

LeBron James speaks up about raceism. Muhammad Ali spoke about racism. Chris Rock speaks up about racism and it takes balls to attack a system that you depends but they just thought "You know what ? Some things are more important than money"

I've already explained this you as well.....blacks owned slaves here... Difference is that whites owned slaves and justify most of it by SAVING the heathens from their primitive religions while black owners didn't want to save them at all from anything and thusly often wound up being the most notoriously brutal of all slave owners.

It's a myth---well flat out lie---that Madame Walker was the first successful black. Think this myth was spread by the liberals hoping to make blacks and other suckers think that blacks were incapable of being successful under slavery as they wish to push the myth that all blacks were slaves and thusly not slave masters. There were many rich blacks before her.

Most of the black people lynched were criminals who did violent crimes usually against women or children. Each time someone mentions a supposed black victim of lynching, I've gone back and researched---time after time after time again, the supposedly wittle victim had it coming. Don't know why you love violent criminals so much or want to be considered a victim so much...but it is well past time to grow up and stop trying to manipulate people with the guilt card.

 

[Paul Essien]

mga138
Absolutely Ridiculous statements with no logic. You think that because Asians have a slightly higher I.Q. and a lower crime rate, that means all other races should be abolished and everything should be given to Asians? Where do you get your absurd logic from?

You're the person who believes you and white men are inferior to Asian men. Right ? So they should be put in charge of everything. You are the one who think Asian men are superior to you.

mga138
This country is an outpost of Europe, not an outpost of China and this country ought to reflect that.

No this is a black man country. We built it and we were the first here.

mga138
The Western world has its own virtues, culture, and brand of excellence that works better for us.

But you are saying you are inferior to Asian men. So why wouldn't you wanr the western world to be run by superior Asian men

mga138
I think the US (and the rest of the Western World) ought to be more like Asian societies in the ways in which were once were more like them

So why not campaign for Asian men to e put in charge of everything ?

mga138
And as far as having Asians holding top positions, they are already overrepresented in many of top fields and industries in the US, now, and many top schools are starting to discriminate against Asians (not just Whites) in admissions.

So they should because you are inferior to Asian men. Right ?

mga138
Their high average intelligence sees them rise to the top naturally. Intelligent people do not need to be given anything; they achieve on their own and a healthy society gets out of their way. A healthy society give all of it's resources to the achievers, not to the ignorant people at the bottom, as teh US society has been doing for far too long, to obviously terrible consequences.

Exactly. So put them in charge of everything ?

 

[mga138]

IQ is psedo-science used as a foil for racism.

Funny how a "psedo-science" has the power to predict success and failure better than any other means and every meter of success and failure comport with the racial I.Q. hierarchy.

 

[mga138]

mga138
Absolutely Ridiculous statements with no logic. You think that because Asians have a slightly higher I.Q. and a lower crime rate, that means all other races should be abolished and everything should be given to Asians? Where do you get your absurd logic from?

You're the person who believes you and white men are inferior to Asian men. Right ? So they should be put in charge of everything. You are the one who think Asian men are superior to you.

mga138
This country is an outpost of Europe, not an outpost of China and this country ought to reflect that.

No this is a black man country. We built it and we were the first here.

mga138
The Western world has its own virtues, culture, and brand of excellence that works better for us.

But you are saying you are inferior to Asian men. So why wouldn't you wanr the western world to be run by superior Asian men

mga138
I think the US (and the rest of the Western World) ought to be more like Asian societies in the ways in which were once were more like them

So why not campaign for Asian men to e put in charge of everything ?

mga138
And as far as having Asians holding top positions, they are already overrepresented in many of top fields and industries in the US, now, and many top schools are starting to discriminate against Asians (not just Whites) in admissions.

So they should because you are inferior to Asian men. Right ?

mga138
Their high average intelligence sees them rise to the top naturally. Intelligent people do not need to be given anything; they achieve on their own and a healthy society gets out of their way. A healthy society give all of it's resources to the achievers, not to the ignorant people at the bottom, as teh US society has been doing for far too long, to obviously terrible consequences.

Exactly. So put them in charge of everything ?

You're the person who believes you and white men are inferior to Asian men. Right ? So they should be put in charge of everything.

Talking about groups of people as being superior or inferior is YOUR bag, not mine. Groups of people are different from each other. Their different characteristics lead to success (or failure) in specific areas of life. I prefer the society that White people make, with its different texture, mores, creativity, imagination, systems of government, philosophy, etc….I don’t hate Asian culture (I'm a fan of Kurosawa films and I like reading Japanese History) but their cultures tends to work better for them than for me (and other white people). White societies are more individualistic, for instance, less conformist. Different—you call it superior or inferior if you wish, but that is a childish way of seeing things. I prefer Paris, London, Berlin. the windmills of Holland, the fjords of Norway, and Rome to Tokyo, Beijing, or Seoul.

You wrote-- This country is an outpost of Europe, not an outpost of China and this country ought to reflect that.

Hilarious and so delusions that I feel a little bad for you. Blacks are destroyers, not builders. Blacks have built NOTHING in this world They hadn’t even discovered the wheel, domesticated animals, or learned how to control fire by the time Europeans encountered them.

 

[Paul Essien]

mga138
Reality is the complete opposite of your delusional conjecture. Blacks get into schools with much lower SAT scores and get into special jobs programs and law and medical schools with much lower GPA and tests scores than Whites or Asians.

You are just repeating what you have already wrote.

It get's answered and you repeat it again.

mga138
Average IQ differences this great inevitably mean large differences in ability, which are reflected in job-performance evaluations. The IQ gaps for nurses and K-12 teachers are stark, too. Schools and hospitals would surely prefer to hire only the best candidates, but they would end up with so few “underrepresented minorities” they would be sued.

OK. You have not come with this argument before.

When you look at the different rates of educational success between different European subgroups, you see a wide variety of accomplishment.

The reason that I want to point this out is that it goes to the heart of this argument that white IQ or that white intelligence is somehow hard-wired.

So for example, if you look at Census data, the completion rates, college completion rates, for various white groups, range from a low end of 21.3% of Irish-Americans with college degrees up to 51% of Russian Americans with college degrees. In between that you’ve got Swedes at 27.5, English at 28.6, Scottish at 33.4, Germans at 22.1.

In other words you have a pretty broad spread of difference. The reason I bring that out is that, why is it that people who claim that race is some biologically hard-wired thing and that success is related to IQ which is related to biology and race: if that’s true, then I guess one would have to conclude that based on the rank ordering of Europeans that Russian-Americans are the most intelligent and biologically superior, followed by Scots, followed by English, followed by Swedes, followed by Poles, followed by Germans, followed by the Irish, who would be sort of the bottom-feeders of the European community.

And of course guys like you never make this argument. They do like to compare the educational success rates of whites, with blacks, with Latinos, with Asians writ large. They never want to disaggregate the white totals because that would demonstrate a wide variety, and that might call into question their racial taxonomy which is so rigid.

 

[Paul Essien]

mga138
Talking about groups of people as being superior or inferior is YOUR bag, not mine.

You just said you just that Asian men are superior to white men.

mga138
Groups of people are different from each other. Their different characteristics lead to success (or failure) in specific areas of life.

Nope. Living in system of white supremacy does that.

All these white billioniares needed a system of white supreamcy. Without a system of white supremacy guys like you are nothing.

Donald Trump inherited a couple hundred million dollars worth of assets from his daddy.

Mark Zuckerberg attended two of the most expensive and prestigious schools in the USA (Harvard, Phillips Exeter Academy).

If Steve Jobs (Founder Of Apple) was not put up for adoption and his father returned with him back to Syria, then it is highly unlikely he would founded one of the world’s top computer companies.

Their success was due to his parents bank account and a bit a luck.

That's how it works.

Everyone from Bill Gates to Warren Buffett to Jeff Bezos needed a substantial amount of money to start up their companies.

Take the average drug dealer born in the ghetto. The same type of person that has the personality and skills to run a criminal entrepreneurship can easily run a legal one, but many will never have the opportunity that will allow them to earn the credentials necessary to do so

.@mga138
I don’t hate Asian culture (I'm a fan of Kurosawa films and I like reading Japanese History) but their cultures tends to work better for them than for me (and other white people). White societies are more individualistic, for instance, less conformist.

OK. Your babbling now.

 

[MarathonMike]

Hmmm I'm not seeing any "debunking" going on this thread. Just more Black fantasy land where Whitey causes all the problems and Black people are perpetual victims of phantom "Systemic Racism".