Democrats...please explain how you think you can “have it all”?

[sealybobo]

All these things, like public health care, free tuition, etc., greatly increased productivity and greatly reduces over all cost.
So every one benefits, and no one actually has to pay more for it.
Everyone ends up with a net gain.

Huh?

With health insurance you essentially are prepaying. That means you lose all control over costs or quality. So you get the worst health care, at the highest possible prices. Every look into prepaid legal services? They essentially are con.
Anything you prepay is never any good and is always way more expensive. Being third party payer, actually the insurance companies encourage providers to raise prices because that only forces customers to need insurance even more.
So in all cases, in all other countries, public health care costs individuals less because it is only a slight increase in their taxes, which are offset by the huge savings of not having to pay the monthly health insurance bill. And if you think you don't pay because the employer sends in the check, you are totally wrong on that. It is still coming out of your pay.

With free tuition, it has been shown repeatedly, such as in CA in the past, that it increases employee productivity by over a factor of 4. And that means not only more employer income, but more buying power to boost the economy. And does not even include the other benefits, like less emergency medical costs for indigents, as well as much lower crime rates.

I remember years ago when I went to electronics school for work. The first day the teacher drew a 12 volt battery on the chalkboard and two resisters. He explained that each resister absorbed 6 volts of power. He asked if there were any questions, and most of the class laughed. That was until one black guy raised his hand.

He had no idea that 6+6=12, and he kept asking the teacher the stupidest questions. Many of us looked at each other rolling our eyes. I leaned over to my new classmate next to me and whispered "I don't think this guy is going to make it!" He whispered back "I know he isn't going to make it. This is his third time taking this class."

My classmate took the class the previous semester but left due to illness. On break, I asked him about the guy who raised his hand. He explained to me he was on some sort of government program, and no matter how many times he fails, they will continue to pay for his education.

People who graduate college earn more than those who didn't attend. Therefore advanced education is an investment. An investment is when you spend YOUR OWN money with a return plus a profit.

I see no reason why taxpayers should fund investments for other people. Don't ask me to pay for your education to be a doctor or a lawyer, and when I need your services, charge me $400.00 to check my heart and take my blood pressure.

charge me $400.00 to check my heart and take my blood pressure.

This would mean that a lot of people would not be able to see a doctor. That's kind of the point isn't it? By saying a person is only allowed the services he or she is able to afford you create a class of people that will never, no matter how hard they work will get ahead in life. It's basically a society akin to the hunger games. One were those that have will keep on having and those who haven't are shit out of luck.

When you create a class of people who spend whatever they want without regard to the cost, you create the system we have in which there is no accountability for cost and they are exploding. Just like you leftists are doing to the cost of education in this country

Cuts are going to hurt

 

[sealybobo]

1

Brutalist

See the wall? Tear it down Nancy.

Trump lives in a gold house

 

[kaz]

You want free health care...right?
You want free college...right?
You want ‘welfare’ increased...right?
You want higher minimum wage...right?
You want more spent on ‘science’...right?
AND you want to extend all of what you want to 12-50 million illegal aliens...right?

Soooo, how do you think this all happens and why do you think our most productive, positive contributors should happily embrace the idea of funding it all?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I want to give billions of dollars to billionaires!

It's the only thing that makes sense!

It's funny how even when you think you're joking, you betray that you're a socialist by stating the view that not taking someone's money is giving them money because of course all money is the people's money, Comrade

You guys are more passionate about cutting programs than people are about preserving these programs. You won so cut away. See how unpopular your decisions are. People don’t like austerity cuts

I won? You think Trump is a libertarian?

Just FYI, he's not cutting shit. I'd cut the shit out of those programs for real, I wouldn't just talk about it, like the Republicans

 

[sealybobo]

What we have done is relieved the rich of the responsibility of contributing to the society they benefit so much from

How do we justify cutting corporate rates by 50 percent while allowing them to keep all their deductions and subsidies?

And if the funds are cut off then principles and mayors have to make tough decisions. What cuts to make and what local taxes to raise.

Next thing you know you have toll roads

Privately run roads is a major part of Trumps infrastructure plan

If the 'rich' build a private road and charge you a toll to drive on it will you be upset?

The rich will control everything

Did you flunk history? Many of the main roads in NY today were private roads built by private citizens.

I wonder what it’s going to be like for Americans 50 years from today. Will they have it as good as our parents have it? Social security Medicare savings and pensions at 65

What do you see American retirees looking like in 50 years? 70 years old, can’t afford to give up healthcare because no Medicare and no social security

 

[kaz]

And if the funds are cut off then principles and mayors have to make tough decisions. What cuts to make and what local taxes to raise.

Next thing you know you have toll roads

Privately run roads is a major part of Trumps infrastructure plan

If the 'rich' build a private road and charge you a toll to drive on it will you be upset?

The rich will control everything

So you prefer that the government take it over, the politicians get rich, and then the rich control everything ...

Hmm ... you seeing any downside there?

We need to take back our government from the rich that control it now. Drain the swamp

And you think the DC Democrats aren't the rich? OMG, you're an intellectual child.

So you want to take government out of the hands of the rich and give it to the Democrat multi-millionaires who got rich selling influence to corporations.

You're naive as a lamb ... and dumb as a door nail ...

 

[kaz]

And if the funds are cut off then principles and mayors have to make tough decisions. What cuts to make and what local taxes to raise.

Next thing you know you have toll roads

Privately run roads is a major part of Trumps infrastructure plan

If the 'rich' build a private road and charge you a toll to drive on it will you be upset?

The rich will control everything

Did you flunk history? Many of the main roads in NY today were private roads built by private citizens.

I wonder what it’s going to be like for Americans 50 years from today. Will they have it as good as our parents have it? Social security Medicare savings and pensions at 65

What do you see American retirees looking like in 50 years? 70 years old, can’t afford to give up healthcare because no Medicare and no social security

No money is ever saved by social security. It's spent as soon as it comes in like every other tax

 

[Lastamender]

1

Brutalist

See the wall? Tear it down Nancy.

Trump lives in a gold house

And that has what to do with Nancy's wall?

 

[kaz]

Huh?

With health insurance you essentially are prepaying. That means you lose all control over costs or quality. So you get the worst health care, at the highest possible prices. Every look into prepaid legal services? They essentially are con.
Anything you prepay is never any good and is always way more expensive. Being third party payer, actually the insurance companies encourage providers to raise prices because that only forces customers to need insurance even more.
So in all cases, in all other countries, public health care costs individuals less because it is only a slight increase in their taxes, which are offset by the huge savings of not having to pay the monthly health insurance bill. And if you think you don't pay because the employer sends in the check, you are totally wrong on that. It is still coming out of your pay.

With free tuition, it has been shown repeatedly, such as in CA in the past, that it increases employee productivity by over a factor of 4. And that means not only more employer income, but more buying power to boost the economy. And does not even include the other benefits, like less emergency medical costs for indigents, as well as much lower crime rates.

I remember years ago when I went to electronics school for work. The first day the teacher drew a 12 volt battery on the chalkboard and two resisters. He explained that each resister absorbed 6 volts of power. He asked if there were any questions, and most of the class laughed. That was until one black guy raised his hand.

He had no idea that 6+6=12, and he kept asking the teacher the stupidest questions. Many of us looked at each other rolling our eyes. I leaned over to my new classmate next to me and whispered "I don't think this guy is going to make it!" He whispered back "I know he isn't going to make it. This is his third time taking this class."

My classmate took the class the previous semester but left due to illness. On break, I asked him about the guy who raised his hand. He explained to me he was on some sort of government program, and no matter how many times he fails, they will continue to pay for his education.

People who graduate college earn more than those who didn't attend. Therefore advanced education is an investment. An investment is when you spend YOUR OWN money with a return plus a profit.

I see no reason why taxpayers should fund investments for other people. Don't ask me to pay for your education to be a doctor or a lawyer, and when I need your services, charge me $400.00 to check my heart and take my blood pressure.

charge me $400.00 to check my heart and take my blood pressure.

This would mean that a lot of people would not be able to see a doctor. That's kind of the point isn't it? By saying a person is only allowed the services he or she is able to afford you create a class of people that will never, no matter how hard they work will get ahead in life. It's basically a society akin to the hunger games. One were those that have will keep on having and those who haven't are shit out of luck.

When you create a class of people who spend whatever they want without regard to the cost, you create the system we have in which there is no accountability for cost and they are exploding. Just like you leftists are doing to the cost of education in this country

Cuts are going to hurt

Only for people who want to vote themselves a living. Forced redistribution at gunpoint has a name. It's called armed robbery

 

[sealybobo]

Privately run roads is a major part of Trumps infrastructure plan

If the 'rich' build a private road and charge you a toll to drive on it will you be upset?

The rich will control everything

So you prefer that the government take it over, the politicians get rich, and then the rich control everything ...

Hmm ... you seeing any downside there?

We need to take back our government from the rich that control it now. Drain the swamp

And you think the DC Democrats aren't the rich? OMG, you're an intellectual child.

So you want to take government out of the hands of the rich and give it to the Democrat multi-millionaires who got rich selling influence to corporations.

You're naive as a lamb ... and dumb as a door nail ...

No I want 80% of the people to vote. Then and only then will democrats and republicans stop working for the rich.

And every 2 years.

That’s 80% voting every 2 years.

 

[kaz]

If the 'rich' build a private road and charge you a toll to drive on it will you be upset?

The rich will control everything

So you prefer that the government take it over, the politicians get rich, and then the rich control everything ...

Hmm ... you seeing any downside there?

We need to take back our government from the rich that control it now. Drain the swamp

And you think the DC Democrats aren't the rich? OMG, you're an intellectual child.

So you want to take government out of the hands of the rich and give it to the Democrat multi-millionaires who got rich selling influence to corporations.

You're naive as a lamb ... and dumb as a door nail ...

No I want 80% of the people to vote. Then and only then will democrats and republicans stop working for the rich.

And every 2 years.

That’s 80% voting every 2 years.

Ah, class warfare. How'd that work out for Hugo and Fidel, comrade?

 

[BluesLegend]

Privately run roads is a major part of Trumps infrastructure plan

If the 'rich' build a private road and charge you a toll to drive on it will you be upset?

The rich will control everything

Did you flunk history? Many of the main roads in NY today were private roads built by private citizens.

I wonder what it’s going to be like for Americans 50 years from today. Will they have it as good as our parents have it? Social security Medicare savings and pensions at 65

What do you see American retirees looking like in 50 years? 70 years old, can’t afford to give up healthcare because no Medicare and no social security

No money is ever saved by social security. It's spent as soon as it comes in like every other tax

If there is any money left over government steals it and spends it and gives us a worthless IOU they have no way of paying back.

 

[rightwinger]

1

Brutalist

See the wall? Tear it down Nancy.

What is your point?

Nancy voted against tax cuts for the wealthy
Crooked Donnie approved tax cuts that will save his family a billion dollars

 

[rightwinger]

The rich will control everything

So you prefer that the government take it over, the politicians get rich, and then the rich control everything ...

Hmm ... you seeing any downside there?

We need to take back our government from the rich that control it now. Drain the swamp

And you think the DC Democrats aren't the rich? OMG, you're an intellectual child.

So you want to take government out of the hands of the rich and give it to the Democrat multi-millionaires who got rich selling influence to corporations.

You're naive as a lamb ... and dumb as a door nail ...

No I want 80% of the people to vote. Then and only then will democrats and republicans stop working for the rich.

And every 2 years.

That’s 80% voting every 2 years.

Ah, class warfare. How'd that work out for Hugo and Fidel, comrade?

Are you saying our poor and working poor have had enough?

 

[Lastamender]

1

Brutalist

See the wall? Tear it down Nancy.

What is your point?

Nancy voted against tax cuts for the wealthy
Crooked Donnie approved tax cuts that will save his family a billion dollars

A wall keeps people out, some of those are people you would never let in. See where this is going?

An afterthought, Nancy can pay more money to the IRS, if she thinks her taxes are to low. Has she done that?

 

[kaz]

If the 'rich' build a private road and charge you a toll to drive on it will you be upset?

The rich will control everything

Did you flunk history? Many of the main roads in NY today were private roads built by private citizens.

I wonder what it’s going to be like for Americans 50 years from today. Will they have it as good as our parents have it? Social security Medicare savings and pensions at 65

What do you see American retirees looking like in 50 years? 70 years old, can’t afford to give up healthcare because no Medicare and no social security

No money is ever saved by social security. It's spent as soon as it comes in like every other tax

If there is any money left over government steals it and spends it and gives us a worthless IOU they have no way of paying back.

Keep in mind that the IOU they give us is for us to pay it back, not the government. Government produces no economic value.

Social security taxes go into the general fund, social security checks come out of the general fund, income and other taxes go into the government fund, money paid out for bonds goes out of the government fund.

No money is ever saved. People on social security are getting paid by today's taxpayers just like any other welfare recipient. Not one penny of their check is their own money, it's their childrens'

 

[rightwinger]

1

Brutalist

See the wall? Tear it down Nancy.

What is your point?

Nancy voted against tax cuts for the wealthy
Crooked Donnie approved tax cuts that will save his family a billion dollars

A wall keeps people out, some of those are people you would never let in. See where this is going?

An afterthought, Nancy can pay more money to the IRS, if she thinks her taxes are to low. Has she done that?

Did Mexico pay for that wall?

 

[rightwinger]

The rich will control everything

Did you flunk history? Many of the main roads in NY today were private roads built by private citizens.

I wonder what it’s going to be like for Americans 50 years from today. Will they have it as good as our parents have it? Social security Medicare savings and pensions at 65

What do you see American retirees looking like in 50 years? 70 years old, can’t afford to give up healthcare because no Medicare and no social security

No money is ever saved by social security. It's spent as soon as it comes in like every other tax

If there is any money left over government steals it and spends it and gives us a worthless IOU they have no way of paying back.

Keep in mind that the IOU they give us is for us to pay it back, not the government. Government produces no economic value.

Social security taxes go into the general fund, social security checks come out of the general fund, income and other taxes go into the government fund, money paid out for bonds goes out of the government fund.

No money is ever saved. People on social security are getting paid by today's taxpayers just like any other welfare recipient. Not one penny of their check is their own money, it's their childrens'

That is the way Social Security has always been paid

 

[BrokeLoser]

1

Brutalist

See the wall? Tear it down Nancy.

What is your point?

Nancy voted against tax cuts for the wealthy
Crooked Donnie approved tax cuts that will save his family a billion dollars

Real Americans never thought we’d see the day where are fellow countrymen would be disappointed if the government let us keep a little more of our OWN cash.
Do you people ever listen to yourselves?

 

[Lastamender]

1

Brutalist

See the wall? Tear it down Nancy.

What is your point?

Nancy voted against tax cuts for the wealthy
Crooked Donnie approved tax cuts that will save his family a billion dollars

A wall keeps people out, some of those are people you would never let in. See where this is going?

An afterthought, Nancy can pay more money to the IRS, if she thinks her taxes are to low. Has she done that?

Did Mexico pay for that wall?

So she has not kicked back any money to our government, I didn't think so.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

I'll go with what the Southern Poverty and Law Center says about FAIR.

And that is all that any sane person needs top know, in order to know how little credibility to give you.