DeVos to end federal common core

[Disir]

One reason other countries may have higher scores in education is that they go to school, then go to tutoring classes after school. Many also weed out poorer students and divert them to trade programs. All excellent ideas, when will the US start?

You don't want that. The testing that is done to make the comparison is using about 1400 15 year olds from the US. More importantly what they are finding is that those students that go to hagwons are memorizing facts but aren't retaining information.

Many are, and much of the work there has kids learning and practicing techniques and strategies proven to boost scores. Most importantly, kids and their families are not afraid of hard work.

Temporarily boosting scores is not the same as retaining information.

 

[saveliberty]

Education is about raising all kids upon so they go onto post high school education. That leads to higher wages for all. We don't need more blue collar workers.

I sure hope you said that sarcastically, since not all kids are equipped for higher education. While we may not need them, some people are going to be blue collar workers because that is how they are equipped and sometimes what they prefer. There is nothing wrong with manual labor or a "menial" job like janitor or trash collector. Try living in a society without them. Work needs to be respected as honest work, and NOT everyone is capable of college level work. A lot of people aren't. The colleges have constantly had to dumb down their content and offer a full range of remedial courses for freshman. It's ridiculous. Focus on raising standards in HIGH SCHOOL education, including more trade options, and leave the poor kids alone!

Very well said, thank you.

 

[Unkotare]

One reason other countries may have higher scores in education is that they go to school, then go to tutoring classes after school. Many also weed out poorer students and divert them to trade programs. All excellent ideas, when will the US start?

You don't want that. The testing that is done to make the comparison is using about 1400 15 year olds from the US. More importantly what they are finding is that those students that go to hagwons are memorizing facts but aren't retaining information.

Many are, and much of the work there has kids learning and practicing techniques and strategies proven to boost scores. Most importantly, kids and their families are not afraid of hard work.

Temporarily boosting scores is not the same as retaining information.

Not necessarily, but a great many retain a great deal.

 

[Disir]

One reason other countries may have higher scores in education is that they go to school, then go to tutoring classes after school. Many also weed out poorer students and divert them to trade programs. All excellent ideas, when will the US start?

You don't want that. The testing that is done to make the comparison is using about 1400 15 year olds from the US. More importantly what they are finding is that those students that go to hagwons are memorizing facts but aren't retaining information.

Many are, and much of the work there has kids learning and practicing techniques and strategies proven to boost scores. Most importantly, kids and their families are not afraid of hard work.

Temporarily boosting scores is not the same as retaining information.

Not necessarily, but a great many retain a great deal.

Back up your claim. Cite your sources.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Fact: The Common Core is a state‐led effort that is not part of No Child Left Behind or any other federal initiative. The federal government played no role in the development of the Common Core. State adoption of the standards is in no way mandatory. States began the work to create clear, consistent standards before the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, which provided funding for the Race to the Top grant program. It also began before the Elementary and Secondary Education Act blueprint was released, because this work is being driven by the needs of the states, not the federal government.

Myths vs. Facts | Common Core State Standards Initiative

 

[OldLady]

A lot of you are equating Common Core with the whole standardized test nightmare. We have to give them in Adult Ed, to please the Feds, since the Feds give us a lot of our money. Now, as tax payers, it is reasonable to want some evidence that we are actually teaching people something, so it seems reasonable to give the tests measuring performance (and hopefully improvement). BUT it becomes a game and a lot of pressure to see the scores go up, regardless what the student is here for or wants to achieve. Scores equal $$$ from the government.
So I get that. In high school, some students have to take three standardized test batteries in one year. That's way too much. And school board members are salivating to get the results, to put their own political spin on them.
We all want accountability but how do you measure student competency without them?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Federal government required states to adopt Common Core school standards, congressional hopeful says

 

[Unkotare]

One reason other countries may have higher scores in education is that they go to school, then go to tutoring classes after school. Many also weed out poorer students and divert them to trade programs. All excellent ideas, when will the US start?

You don't want that. The testing that is done to make the comparison is using about 1400 15 year olds from the US. More importantly what they are finding is that those students that go to hagwons are memorizing facts but aren't retaining information.

Many are, and much of the work there has kids learning and practicing techniques and strategies proven to boost scores. Most importantly, kids and their families are not afraid of hard work.

Temporarily boosting scores is not the same as retaining information.

Not necessarily, but a great many retain a great deal.

Back up your claim. Cite your sources.

Hundreds and hundreds of students who are or have studied in hagwan, and at least as many adults who did years ago.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Current Law:

(a) In General.--No officer or employee of the Federal Government
shall, through grants, contracts, or other cooperative agreements,
mandate, direct, or control a State, local educational agency, or
school's specific instructional content, academic standards and
assessments, curricula, or program of instruction developed and
implemented to meet the requirements of this Act (including any
requirement, direction, or mandate to adopt the Common Core State
Standards developed under the Common Core State Standards Initiative,
any other academic standards common to a significant number of States,
or any assessment, instructional content, or curriculum aligned to such
standards), nor shall anything in this Act be construed to authorize
such officer or employee to do so.
``(b) Financial Support.--No officer or employee of the Federal
Government shall condition or incentivize the receipt of any grant,
contract, or cooperative agreement, the receipt of any priority or
preference under such grant, contract, or cooperative agreement, or the
receipt of a waiver under section 8401 upon a State, local educational
agency, or school's adoption or implementation of specific
instructional content, academic standards and assessments, curricula,
or program of instruction developed and implemented to meet the
requirements of this Act (including any condition, priority, or
preference to adopt the Common Core State Standards developed under the
Common Core State Standards Initiative, any other academic standards
common to a significant number of States, or any assessment,
instructional content, or curriculum aligned to such standards).''.
SEC. 8024. PROHIBITIONS ON FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND USE OF FEDERAL FUNDS.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-114s1177enr/html/BILLS-114s1177enr.htm

 

[Disir]

Current Law:

(a) In General.--No officer or employee of the Federal Government
shall, through grants, contracts, or other cooperative agreements,
mandate, direct, or control a State, local educational agency, or
school's specific instructional content, academic standards and
assessments, curricula, or program of instruction developed and
implemented to meet the requirements of this Act (including any
requirement, direction, or mandate to adopt the Common Core State
Standards developed under the Common Core State Standards Initiative,
any other academic standards common to a significant number of States,
or any assessment, instructional content, or curriculum aligned to such
standards), nor shall anything in this Act be construed to authorize
such officer or employee to do so.
``(b) Financial Support.--No officer or employee of the Federal
Government shall condition or incentivize the receipt of any grant,
contract, or cooperative agreement, the receipt of any priority or
preference under such grant, contract, or cooperative agreement, or the
receipt of a waiver under section 8401 upon a State, local educational
agency, or school's adoption or implementation of specific
instructional content, academic standards and assessments, curricula,
or program of instruction developed and implemented to meet the
requirements of this Act (including any condition, priority, or
preference to adopt the Common Core State Standards developed under the
Common Core State Standards Initiative, any other academic standards
common to a significant number of States, or any assessment,
instructional content, or curriculum aligned to such standards).''.
SEC. 8024. PROHIBITIONS ON FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND USE OF FEDERAL FUNDS.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-114s1177enr/html/BILLS-114s1177enr.htm

Everything you need to know about Common Core — Ravitch

 

[Disir]

You don't want that. The testing that is done to make the comparison is using about 1400 15 year olds from the US. More importantly what they are finding is that those students that go to hagwons are memorizing facts but aren't retaining information.

Many are, and much of the work there has kids learning and practicing techniques and strategies proven to boost scores. Most importantly, kids and their families are not afraid of hard work.

Temporarily boosting scores is not the same as retaining information.

Not necessarily, but a great many retain a great deal.

Back up your claim. Cite your sources.

Hundreds and hundreds of students who are or have studied in hagwan, and at least as many adults who did years ago.

So...........nothing.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Current Law:

(a) In General.--No officer or employee of the Federal Government
shall, through grants, contracts, or other cooperative agreements,
mandate, direct, or control a State, local educational agency, or
school's specific instructional content, academic standards and
assessments, curricula, or program of instruction developed and
implemented to meet the requirements of this Act (including any
requirement, direction, or mandate to adopt the Common Core State
Standards developed under the Common Core State Standards Initiative,
any other academic standards common to a significant number of States,
or any assessment, instructional content, or curriculum aligned to such
standards), nor shall anything in this Act be construed to authorize
such officer or employee to do so.
``(b) Financial Support.--No officer or employee of the Federal
Government shall condition or incentivize the receipt of any grant,
contract, or cooperative agreement, the receipt of any priority or
preference under such grant, contract, or cooperative agreement, or the
receipt of a waiver under section 8401 upon a State, local educational
agency, or school's adoption or implementation of specific
instructional content, academic standards and assessments, curricula,
or program of instruction developed and implemented to meet the
requirements of this Act (including any condition, priority, or
preference to adopt the Common Core State Standards developed under the
Common Core State Standards Initiative, any other academic standards
common to a significant number of States, or any assessment,
instructional content, or curriculum aligned to such standards).''.
SEC. 8024. PROHIBITIONS ON FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND USE OF FEDERAL FUNDS.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-114s1177enr/html/BILLS-114s1177enr.htm

Everything you need to know about Common Core — Ravitch

And is that going to refute the actual law I posted?

 

[Disir]

Current Law:

(a) In General.--No officer or employee of the Federal Government
shall, through grants, contracts, or other cooperative agreements,
mandate, direct, or control a State, local educational agency, or
school's specific instructional content, academic standards and
assessments, curricula, or program of instruction developed and
implemented to meet the requirements of this Act (including any
requirement, direction, or mandate to adopt the Common Core State
Standards developed under the Common Core State Standards Initiative,
any other academic standards common to a significant number of States,
or any assessment, instructional content, or curriculum aligned to such
standards), nor shall anything in this Act be construed to authorize
such officer or employee to do so.
``(b) Financial Support.--No officer or employee of the Federal
Government shall condition or incentivize the receipt of any grant,
contract, or cooperative agreement, the receipt of any priority or
preference under such grant, contract, or cooperative agreement, or the
receipt of a waiver under section 8401 upon a State, local educational
agency, or school's adoption or implementation of specific
instructional content, academic standards and assessments, curricula,
or program of instruction developed and implemented to meet the
requirements of this Act (including any condition, priority, or
preference to adopt the Common Core State Standards developed under the
Common Core State Standards Initiative, any other academic standards
common to a significant number of States, or any assessment,
instructional content, or curriculum aligned to such standards).''.
SEC. 8024. PROHIBITIONS ON FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND USE OF FEDERAL FUNDS.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-114s1177enr/html/BILLS-114s1177enr.htm

Everything you need to know about Common Core — Ravitch

And is that going to refute the actual law I posted?

It will damn sure prove you're a pretend liberal.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Isn't one of the key tenets of the United States is to allow great state powers? This would seem to be a no-brainer to me.

 

[OldLady]

Federal government required states to adopt Common Core school standards, congressional hopeful says

As long as the government isn't putting on strings on that decision, fine. Like money or grants or other goodies if the states play along.
Every study area--Science, History, English Language Arts, etc. -- has a national association that promotes good practices and cutting edge teaching methods. They might be a more comfortable choice for people to look to for guidance, if they really cared that their kids were getting the best quality education. Politicians really screw stuff up when they get involved (including at the local level sometimes) so I can understand the resistance on a philosophical level.

 

[Unkotare]

Many are, and much of the work there has kids learning and practicing techniques and strategies proven to boost scores. Most importantly, kids and their families are not afraid of hard work.

Temporarily boosting scores is not the same as retaining information.

Not necessarily, but a great many retain a great deal.

Back up your claim. Cite your sources.

Hundreds and hundreds of students who are or have studied in hagwan, and at least as many adults who did years ago.

So...........nothing.

So, a much larger sample size than any study you can Google.

 

[Disir]

Temporarily boosting scores is not the same as retaining information.

Not necessarily, but a great many retain a great deal.

Back up your claim. Cite your sources.

Hundreds and hundreds of students who are or have studied in hagwan, and at least as many adults who did years ago.

So...........nothing.

So, a much larger sample size than any study you can Google.

Unkotare................you are an educator. You wouldn't accept that from your own students. You can't ask me to.

I mean you can ask but I can't accept that.

 

[Unkotare]

Not necessarily, but a great many retain a great deal.

Back up your claim. Cite your sources.

Hundreds and hundreds of students who are or have studied in hagwan, and at least as many adults who did years ago.

So...........nothing.

So, a much larger sample size than any study you can Google.

Unkotare................you are an educator. You wouldn't accept that from your own students. You can't ask me to.

I mean you can ask but I can't accept that.

If you can't accept reality, I'll have to assume you are a liberal.

 

[Disir]

Back up your claim. Cite your sources.

Hundreds and hundreds of students who are or have studied in hagwan, and at least as many adults who did years ago.

So...........nothing.

So, a much larger sample size than any study you can Google.

Unkotare................you are an educator. You wouldn't accept that from your own students. You can't ask me to.

I mean you can ask but I can't accept that.

If you can't accept reality, I'll have to assume you are a liberal.

If you are attempting to use "personal experience" as a legitimate source in debate, I'll have to assume you aren't an educator.


And that's how that works.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

You're an imbecile......you will persist in this fantasy about the superiority of local school boards, as US educational achievement continues to fall behind the rest of the industrialized world....

Yes, because until 1980 when the federal Department of Education was created in D.C. our school system was in complete shambles, right? Oh, no, wait. Actually, it was quite the opposite. We had one of those most successful public education systems in the world where kids actually learned something. Now, 30 something years later, not only are we spending three times as much money on public education, the results have declined drastically and we rank almost dead last among the First World.

But hey, you're right, clown, let's keep the status quo in place. The dumber the populace, the more dependency they'll need on the elites. You really shouldn't be calling anybody else an imbecile.