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The universe came to be, and earth is a random orb of primordial microbes that evolved into what we humans are today. Yet we have devolved into a slough of mindless paranoid idiots who cling to a notion, rendering us incapable of forming our own thought for our own benefit.
Those evolving primordial microbes sure made you an idiot. Our Creator made me as His voice where He spoke His thoughts into wavelengths of stored energy, waiting to be used to give us a visible world of illusions that appear very believable to man. Scientists still believe that atomic elements are real. LOL
I believe that only in death will we come to know the real truth of things.
In the meantime, keep deluding yourself.
Christians who try their best not to sin and walk with God, will be able to hear the trumpet and Jesus shout. They will be changed in an instant and taken out of the tribulation.
Christians who believe in Jesus but still continually sin, like drinking, sexual misconducts, thieving things like that and those who don't believe will not hear the trumpet or his shout. They will have to go through the 7 trumpets judgements. These Christians will be hunted down and killed for their believe.
They will be killed because they refuse to have the number 666 in their hand or forehead, in order to buy or sell or trade anything.
Christians who try their best not to sin and walk with God, will be able to hear the trumpet and Jesus shout. They will be changed in an instant and taken out of the tribulation.
Christians who believe in Jesus but still continually sin, like drinking, sexual misconducts, thieving things like that and those who don't believe will not hear the trumpet or his shout. They will have to go through the 7 trumpets judgements. These Christians will be hunted down and killed for their believe.
They will be killed because they refuse to have the number 666 in their hand or forehead, in order to buy or sell or trade anything.
In scripture, a trumpet of God is figurative for a prophet of God. If you are expecting some kind of musical sound from the sky you are sure to miss the boat. If the trumpet of God sounded 50 years ago you would have been left behind and even if Jesus descended from heaven in full view of everybody, you would have seen and heard nothing if you are expecting him to float down from the sky.
The number 666 mentioned in Revelation is found in only one other place in the entire Bible when describing Solomon's yearly stipend from the Temple treasury of six hundred and sixty six talents of Gold.
The 'beast' is a man usurping a place of religious authority and the mark of the beast is gold on forefront of the mind of such a deceptive and pretentious man..
know anyone like that?
I am an evangelical Christian and I have been to many, many meetings where someone tries to teach the meaning of Revelations. I must be thicker than a curb, because it all seems very complicated to me. I believe that Revelations IS the word of God as given to James, but I really don't comprehend the symbolism and all of the meanings. And I have to ask, are we able to clearly understand all the meanings? I don't know.
How will I know that Christ has come? If I am still alive I hope that I can treat each man I meet as if I had just met Him. That is our greatest charge. If I am not, I will know when I walk from the haze to see my lovely wife standing in front of me again, her body healed. Either way, I will try to do my best to follow His words. I will fail, but I will put my trust in Him.
Where was Jesus between the ages or 12 and 30 (the lost years))? There is no mention of his activities in the New Testament. It is suggested Jesus may have traveled to Egypt or India where he may have studied Buddhism.
Gee...I never heard this story. You are joking?Where was Jesus between the ages or 12 and 30 (the lost years))? There is no mention of his activities in the New Testament. It is suggested Jesus may have traveled to Egypt or India where he may have studied Buddhism.
the scripture themselves tell where Jesus was during those years.
He was tempted by the devil, in the wilderness, and lived among the wild beasts.
That means he was living in non Jewish towns and villages, the wilderness, living among the Romans doing what Romans do, the wild beasts being a well known metaphor for the brutish and violent people who were ruling Judea at the time...
If the wilderness and wild beasts actually does represent him being in egypt or india and studying Buddhism among Buddhists then you now know how Jesus and his disciples felt about that.
I do not believe Judaism believes in the trinity or a mortal being the son of God and dying for our sins and the second coming, etc. These may have been Babylonian, Egyption, and Canaan mythology but not Judaist. Correct me if I'm wrong.The concept of messiah, or "conquering king" was firmly established in babylonian, egytptian and canaan religious mythology long before the hebrews were a homogenous tribe. The three religions on which judaism stole it's basic doctrine.
CHRISTIAN REBUTTAL
In order to deal with Jesus failure to fulfill the Biblical messianic prophecies, missionaries argue that he will accomplish them when he returns in the future.
It's important to understand that this second coming doctrine is an admission that Jesus didn't fulfill the Messianic criteria. This rationalization for his failure certainly provides no reason to accept him as the Messiah today.
Furthermore, the Jewish Bible does not have a Messianic "installment plan" where Messiah comes, fails in his mission, and then returns thousands of years later to finally succeed.
Missionaries will claim that because Jesus performed miracles, he must be the Messiah. However, we have no real evidence that Jesus actually performed any miracles. More significantly, even if Jesus did perform miracles, they would not prove that he was the Messiah.
Our Bible never says that we will be able to recognize the Messiah through the miracles that he will do. The Torah actually teaches that even false prophets can have the ability to perform supernatural miracles (Deut. 13:2-6).
Disregard my previous post, Alfalfa. I misinterpreted your comment. I believe you may be correct regarding the concept of a messiah predating Judaism.I do not believe Judaism believes in the trinity or a mortal being the son of God and dying for our sins and the second coming, etc. These may have been Babylonian, Egyption, and Canaan mythology but not Judaist. Correct me if I'm wrong.The concept of messiah, or "conquering king" was firmly established in babylonian, egytptian and canaan religious mythology long before the hebrews were a homogenous tribe. The three religions on which judaism stole it's basic doctrine.
Disregard my previous post, Alfalfa. I misinterpreted your comment. I believe you may be correct regarding the concept of a messiah predating Judaism.I do not believe Judaism believes in the trinity or a mortal being the son of God and dying for our sins and the second coming, etc. These may have been Babylonian, Egyption, and Canaan mythology but not Judaist. Correct me if I'm wrong.The concept of messiah, or "conquering king" was firmly established in babylonian, egytptian and canaan religious mythology long before the hebrews were a homogenous tribe. The three religions on which judaism stole it's basic doctrine.
Don't be silly...they are quoting the usual arguments Christians introduce to rationalize Jesus failure for fulfilling the Biblical prophecies.CHRISTIAN REBUTTAL
In order to deal with Jesus failure to fulfill the Biblical messianic prophecies, missionaries argue that he will accomplish them when he returns in the future.
It's important to understand that this second coming doctrine is an admission that Jesus didn't fulfill the Messianic criteria. This rationalization for his failure certainly provides no reason to accept him as the Messiah today.
Furthermore, the Jewish Bible does not have a Messianic "installment plan" where Messiah comes, fails in his mission, and then returns thousands of years later to finally succeed.
Missionaries will claim that because Jesus performed miracles, he must be the Messiah. However, we have no real evidence that Jesus actually performed any miracles. More significantly, even if Jesus did perform miracles, they would not prove that he was the Messiah.
Our Bible never says that we will be able to recognize the Messiah through the miracles that he will do. The Torah actually teaches that even false prophets can have the ability to perform supernatural miracles (Deut. 13:2-6).
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A rebuttal is where we speak. Where did we speak in that rebuttal? It was them speaking and not us.
Gee...I never heard this story. You are joking?Where was Jesus between the ages or 12 and 30 (the lost years))? There is no mention of his activities in the New Testament. It is suggested Jesus may have traveled to Egypt or India where he may have studied Buddhism.
the scripture themselves tell where Jesus was during those years.
He was tempted by the devil, in the wilderness, and lived among the wild beasts.
That means he was living in non Jewish towns and villages, the wilderness, living among the Romans doing what Romans do, the wild beasts being a well known metaphor for the brutish and violent people who were ruling Judea at the time...
If the wilderness and wild beasts actually does represent him being in egypt or india and studying Buddhism among Buddhists then you now know how Jesus and his disciples felt about that.
Gee...I never heard this story. You are joking?Where was Jesus between the ages or 12 and 30 (the lost years))? There is no mention of his activities in the New Testament. It is suggested Jesus may have traveled to Egypt or India where he may have studied Buddhism.
the scripture themselves tell where Jesus was during those years.
He was tempted by the devil, in the wilderness, and lived among the wild beasts.
That means he was living in non Jewish towns and villages, the wilderness, living among the Romans doing what Romans do, the wild beasts being a well known metaphor for the brutish and violent people who were ruling Judea at the time...
If the wilderness and wild beasts actually does represent him being in egypt or india and studying Buddhism among Buddhists then you now know how Jesus and his disciples felt about that.
By all accounts, Jesus may have travelled to India or Egypt and then on to Tibet and Kashmir, where he supposedly studied Buddhism. Some speculate he went by the name Issa. He came back a well educated refined young man ministering to the people and preaching the gospel and speaking in parables, etc. He could not have learned that living amongst wolves for 18 years. Perhaps you can provide Bible references wherein Jesus became a vagabond.Gee...I never heard this story. You are joking?the scripture themselves tell where Jesus was during those years.
He was tempted by the devil, in the wilderness, and lived among the wild beasts.
That means he was living in non Jewish towns and villages, the wilderness, living among the Romans doing what Romans do, the wild beasts being a well known metaphor for the brutish and violent people who were ruling Judea at the time...
If the wilderness and wild beasts actually does represent him being in egypt or india and studying Buddhism among Buddhists then you now know how Jesus and his disciples felt about that.
No, its exactly like the missing 18 minutes of the Nixon tapes. It just takes a little intelligence to understand why those years went missing.
The devil tempting Jesus in the wilderness was probably just some 'enlightened' guy in robes with a box or something strapped to his head saying, "Jesus, you are such a nice guy, you make such beautiful furniture and everyone likes you. You could make a lot of money and have it all - the world at your command - if you would just quit all that crazy talk about right and wrong."
Aside from that the fact that Jesus submitted to the baptism of John shows that Jesus was repentant for some sort of sin. "Living among the wild beasts' implies it all to even the least intelligent.
I wonder how you missed that?
Where was Jesus between the ages or 12 and 30 (the lost years))? There is no mention of his activities in the New Testament. It is suggested Jesus may have traveled to Egypt or India where he may have studied Buddhism.
the scripture themselves tell where Jesus was during those years.
He was tempted by the devil, in the wilderness, and lived among the wild beasts.
That means he was living in non Jewish towns and villages, the wilderness, living among the Romans doing what Romans do, the wild beasts being a well known metaphor for the brutish and violent people who were ruling Judea at the time...
If the wilderness and wild beasts actually does represent him being in egypt or india and studying Buddhism among Buddhists then you now know how Jesus and his disciples felt about that.
Why has Judaism rejected this assertion for 2,000 years?
The concept of the Messiah has its foundation in our Jewish Bible, the Tanach, which teaches that all of the following criteria must be fulfilled before any person can be acknowledged as the Messiah:
● Messiah must be from the Tribe of Judah and a Descendant of King David and King Solomon
The Messiah must be a member of the tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:10) and a direct descendant of King David & King Solomon (2 Samuel 7:12-14; 1 Chronicles 22:9-10). Genealogy in the Bible is only passed down from father to son (Numbers 1:1-18).
There is no evidence that Jesus really had this pedigree, and the Christian Bible actually claims that he did not have a "birth-father" from the tribe of Judah descending from David and Solomon (Matt. 1:18-20).
● Ingathering of the Jewish Exiles
When the Messiah is reigning as King of Israel, the Jews will be ingathered from their exile and will return to Israel, their homeland (Deut. 30:3; Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 30:3, 32:37; Ezekiel 11:17, 36:24).
This has clearly not yet happened and we still await its fulfillment.
● Rebuilding of the Holy Temple
The Temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt (Isaiah 2:2-3, 56:6-7, 60:7, 66:20; Ezekiel 37:2627; Malachi 3:4; Zech. 14:20-21).
The Temple was still standing in Jesus day. It was destroyed 38 years after Jesus crucifixion and it has not yet been rebuilt.
● Worldwide Reign of Peace
There will be universal disarmament and worldwide peace with a complete end to war (Micah 4:1-4; Hoseah 2:20; Isaiah 2:1-4, 60:18).
Wars have increased dramatically in the world since the advent of Christianity.
● Embracing of Torah Observance by All Jews
The Messiah will reign as King at a time when all the Jewish people will observe Gods commandments (Ezekiel 37:24; Deut. 30:8,10; Jeremiah 31:32; Ezekiel 11:19-20, 36:26-27).
Jesus never ruled as King, nor have all Jews embraced the commandments of
Gods Torah.
● Universal Knowledge of God
The Messiah will rule at a time when all the people of the world will come to acknowledge and serve the one true God (Zechariah 3:9, 8:23,14:9,16; Isaiah 45:23, 66:23; Jeremiah 31:33; Ezekiel 38:23; Psalm 86:9; Zeph. 3:9).
This, as well, has not yet taken place and we await its fulfillment.
● A Biblical Portrait of the Messiah
All of these criteria for the Messiah are found in numerous places in the Jewish Bible. One foundational example is in the book of Ezekiel, Chapter 37:24-28:
24 And My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd, and they will walk in My ordinances, and keep My statutes, and observe them
25 and they shall live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant, in which your fathers have lived; and they shall live there, they, and their children, and their childrens children for ever; and My servant David will be their prince for ever.
26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant, which I will give them; and I will multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in their midst forever
27 and My tabernacle shall be with them, and I will be their God and they will be My people.
28 And the nations will know that I am the Lord who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forever.
Anyone can claim to be the Messiah or a group of people can claim that someone is the Messiah. However, if that person fails to fulfill all the criteria found in the Jewish Bible, he cannot be the Messiah.
According to the Christian scriptures, Jesus seems to have understood this. As he was being crucified by the Romans, he cried out "My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?" (Matthew 27:46).
CHRISTIAN REBUTTAL
In order to deal with Jesus failure to fulfill the Biblical messianic prophecies, missionaries argue that he will accomplish them when he returns in the future.
It's important to understand that this second coming doctrine is an admission that Jesus didn't fulfill the Messianic criteria. This rationalization for his failure certainly provides no reason to accept him as the Messiah today.
Furthermore, the Jewish Bible does not have a Messianic "installment plan" where Messiah comes, fails in his mission, and then returns thousands of years later to finally succeed.
Missionaries will claim that because Jesus performed miracles, he must be the Messiah. However, we have no real evidence that Jesus actually performed any miracles. More significantly, even if Jesus did perform miracles, they would not prove that he was the Messiah.
Our Bible never says that we will be able to recognize the Messiah through the miracles that he will do. The Torah actually teaches that even false prophets can have the ability to perform supernatural miracles (Deut. 13:2-6).
REAL MESSIAH
As Jews, we prefer to wait for the "real thing" according to Gods promises and guidelines. The Jewish Bible provides a clear and consistent description of what the world will look like when the Messiah comes and this has clearly not yet transpired. So, we still await the coming of the true Messiah, may he and a utopian world come soon!
THE JEWISH MESSIAH... AND WHY HE IS NOT JESUS - Jews for Judaism Canada
Disregard my previous post, Alfalfa. I misinterpreted your comment. I believe you may be correct regarding the concept of a messiah predating Judaism.I do not believe Judaism believes in the trinity or a mortal being the son of God and dying for our sins and the second coming, etc. These may have been Babylonian, Egyption, and Canaan mythology but not Judaist. Correct me if I'm wrong.
No harm no foul.
And BTW, the concept of a virgin deity birth was firmly established in the egyptian myth of Osiris, Isis and Horus.
How long did the habiru. the precursors of the hebrews, spend in Egypt as the "foreign conquerors"?
