Electoral College

[BuckToothMoron]

The debate has started again as to whether the US Constitution should be amended in order to change the presidential election process. Some promote
eliminating the Electoral College in favor of a direct popular vote for president while others believe the Electoral College should remain unchanged. Just as compromise solved the initial problems of the framers so it is that compromise can solve this problem. The solution is to change the electoral votes to electoral points and reward each candidate a percentage of points based on the percentage of popular votes received in each state.

This would eliminate the "winner take all" system thus allowing for all the votes to count. A voter is more apt to believe their vote counted when a percentage of popular votes are taken into account rather than the "all or nothing" system currently in existence. Further, this new system would integrate the desire for a popular vote for president with the need for the individual states to determine who actually gets elected.

As for political primaries the number of delegates awarded in each state should be determined by the percentage of votes won by each candidate.

For 2016 multiplying the percentage of votes each candidate received {in each state} times the number of electoral votes {in each state} results in the following: Clinton 256.985 and Trump 253.482.

The solution is to change the electoral votes to electoral points and reward each candidate a percentage of points based on the percentage of popular votes received in each state.

Every liberal state that wants to do that.....should.

According to the U.S. Constitution, the President is to be selected by the States, not the general public. The Electoral College was simply the means of apportioning this voting power between large and small states, and certifying these votes to the national government.

The Founders were well aware of how the rabble could be roused. That is why they limited direct popular elections to the House of Representatives. The ill-conceived 17th Amendment (1913), which extended this procedure to the election of U.S. Senators, has unfortunately caused these elections to now be dominated by out-of-state money and special interests (especially in smaller states).

Direct popular election of the President would be the final step in converting our representative form of government into a mobocracy.

Like the rest of the world that elects their heads of state have?

Oh wait, not all of them. Besides us there's ................... Pakistan.

The world should be emulating us, not the other way around. Why would we want to be like nations that ARENT the greatest nation on earth?

Why are you being such a dick and pointing out the obvious? If POGO "stick up his ass" wants to think we should emulate North Korea with free popular vote elections then let him have is well thought out expert opinion.

 

[Claudette]

According to the U.S. Constitution, the President is to be selected by the States, not the general public. The Electoral College was simply the means of apportioning this voting power between large and small states, and certifying these votes to the national government.

The Founders were well aware of how the rabble could be roused. That is why they limited direct popular elections to the House of Representatives. The ill-conceived 17th Amendment (1913), which extended this procedure to the election of U.S. Senators, has unfortunately caused these elections to now be dominated by out-of-state money and special interests (especially in smaller states).

Direct popular election of the President would be the final step in converting our representative form of government into a mobocracy.

Yup. If not for the EC Cali, NY and a few other States would decide each and every election.

The FF were wise. Indeed they were.

 

[Flash]

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The world should be emulating us, not the other way around. Why would we want to be like nations that ARENT the greatest nation on earth?

Excellent point. We are not 'the rest of the world".

The only reason these Moon Bats are bitching about the EC is because their corrupt little bitch lost the EC. They don't give a crap about the "will of the people" or anything else.

If Trump had lost the EC and won the popular vote these Moon Bats would be telling us that if we didn't like the Constitution then we should move to Cuba or someplace.

Trump didn't run a campaign to win the popular vote. He wrote off states like California and New York. He concentrated on the swing states and he was successful. It was a brilliant campaign. Had the popular vote been the rule then he would have campaigned much differently and there is no guarantee that Crooked Hillary would have won.

 

[CowboyTed]

Hillary lost by 3 to 4 million votes, why cant the Dem's just shut up and go home for another 8 years !!!

Actually she won the PV by, last I looked, around 2.9 million. Which gives the Democrat six of the last seven elections.

Yeah, take that PV with $7.00 and you might get a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

i deducted the illegal alien and dead people votes

What's scary is you idiots actually believe him....

Here is a lesson,
There is no proof "What trump says" is actually true...

I think you are going to have a rude awakening coming up...

 

[Rexx Taylor]

too bad we will never know how bad Trump beat Hillary that night being we have no idea how many illegal ballots were counted in all 57 states. My guess is still around 4 to 5 million votes. The sheer stupidity of some of the liberal members here who actually think that no illegal aliens voted in Manhattan/LA? arent illegals pretty much the make up of those enormous towns?

 

[CowboyTed]

The debate has started again as to whether the US Constitution should be amended in order to change the presidential election process. Some promote
eliminating the Electoral College in favor of a direct popular vote for president while others believe the Electoral College should remain unchanged. Just as compromise solved the initial problems of the framers so it is that compromise can solve this problem. The solution is to change the electoral votes to electoral points and reward each candidate a percentage of points based on the percentage of popular votes received in each state.

This would eliminate the "winner take all" system thus allowing for all the votes to count. A voter is more apt to believe their vote counted when a percentage of popular votes are taken into account rather than the "all or nothing" system currently in existence. Further, this new system would integrate the desire for a popular vote for president with the need for the individual states to determine who actually gets elected.

As for political primaries the number of delegates awarded in each state should be determined by the percentage of votes won by each candidate.

For 2016 multiplying the percentage of votes each candidate received {in each state} times the number of electoral votes {in each state} results in the following: Clinton 256.985 and Trump 253.482.

Well the DEM's are "debating" this again, sure.

The GOP is not.

I do not want NYS and Calif dictating to the rest of the nation.

It is easy for 2 states to go Commie (like they have).

It is not so easy for the whole Nation to.

The Electoral College is working just fine. So since it is not broke don't try to fix it.

This is the bit I don't get... Are 'All men(and Women) created equal...'?

If so then there votes should be equal too, Why should Wyoming have 2.5 times the representation than California?
And using the answer 'Because that is the only way we win' is not what the was intended...

The facts are 19.8% of Americans voted for Trump, more voted for someone else... That is far from a mandate...

Even the NAZI party got 25% in 1933....

The think is the AltRight guys want voter suppression, Gerrymandering, unrepresentative elections...

Cause that is the only way they win...

 

[Pop23]

According to the U.S. Constitution, the President is to be selected by the States, not the general public. The Electoral College was simply the means of apportioning this voting power between large and small states, and certifying these votes to the national government.

The Founders were well aware of how the rabble could be roused. That is why they limited direct popular elections to the House of Representatives. The ill-conceived 17th Amendment (1913), which extended this procedure to the election of U.S. Senators, has unfortunately caused these elections to now be dominated by out-of-state money and special interests (especially in smaller states).

Direct popular election of the President would be the final step in converting our representative form of government into a mobocracy.

Like the rest of the world that elects their heads of state have?

Oh wait, not all of them. Besides us there's ................... Pakistan.

That's funny. Germany, England? How bout that? Countries with parliaments? They do?

Civics class would do you some good

 

[Pop23]

The debate has started again

Among whom? No one is seriously debating this. But ... if YOU want to change the Constitution, just get 2/3rds of the states to come on board and you'll get your wish.

So 14 million can stop the wishes of 350 million... Great point...

We have 9 individuals in the Supreme Court that stop the wishes of the people on a regular basis.

You want a democracy or not?

 

[Rexx Taylor]

The debate has started again as to whether the US Constitution should be amended in order to change the presidential election process. Some promote
eliminating the Electoral College in favor of a direct popular vote for president while others believe the Electoral College should remain unchanged. Just as compromise solved the initial problems of the framers so it is that compromise can solve this problem. The solution is to change the electoral votes to electoral points and reward each candidate a percentage of points based on the percentage of popular votes received in each state.

This would eliminate the "winner take all" system thus allowing for all the votes to count. A voter is more apt to believe their vote counted when a percentage of popular votes are taken into account rather than the "all or nothing" system currently in existence. Further, this new system would integrate the desire for a popular vote for president with the need for the individual states to determine who actually gets elected.

As for political primaries the number of delegates awarded in each state should be determined by the percentage of votes won by each candidate.

For 2016 multiplying the percentage of votes each candidate received {in each state} times the number of electoral votes {in each state} results in the following: Clinton 256.985 and Trump 253.482.

Well the DEM's are "debating" this again, sure.

The GOP is not.

I do not want NYS and Calif dictating to the rest of the nation.

It is easy for 2 states to go Commie (like they have).

It is not so easy for the whole Nation to.

The Electoral College is working just fine. So since it is not broke don't try to fix it.

This is the bit I don't get... Are 'All men(and Women) created equal...'?

If so then there votes should be equal too, Why should Wyoming have 2.5 times the representation than California?
And using the answer 'Because that is the only way we win' is not what the was intended...

The facts are 19.8% of Americans voted for Trump, more voted for someone else... That is far from a mandate...

Even the NAZI party got 25% in 1933....

The think is the AltRight guys want voter suppression, Gerrymandering, unrepresentative elections...

Cause that is the only way they win...

How come Democrats werent complaining about the failure of the electoral college in 2008 and 2012? but now they bring it up?

 

[OKTexas]

Hillary lost by 3 to 4 million votes, why cant the Dem's just shut up and go home for another 8 years !!!

Actually she won the PV by, last I looked, around 2.9 million. Which gives the Democrat six of the last seven elections.

Yeah, take that PV with $7.00 and you might get a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

Try reading the post I replied to, moronic person.

I did, and it doesn't alter the FACT that the PV is worthless/meaningless.

 

[OKTexas]

The debate has started again as to whether the US Constitution should be amended in order to change the presidential election process. Some promote
eliminating the Electoral College in favor of a direct popular vote for president while others believe the Electoral College should remain unchanged. Just as compromise solved the initial problems of the framers so it is that compromise can solve this problem. The solution is to change the electoral votes to electoral points and reward each candidate a percentage of points based on the percentage of popular votes received in each state.

This would eliminate the "winner take all" system thus allowing for all the votes to count. A voter is more apt to believe their vote counted when a percentage of popular votes are taken into account rather than the "all or nothing" system currently in existence. Further, this new system would integrate the desire for a popular vote for president with the need for the individual states to determine who actually gets elected.

As for political primaries the number of delegates awarded in each state should be determined by the percentage of votes won by each candidate.

For 2016 multiplying the percentage of votes each candidate received {in each state} times the number of electoral votes {in each state} results in the following: Clinton 256.985 and Trump 253.482.

Well the DEM's are "debating" this again, sure.

The GOP is not.

I do not want NYS and Calif dictating to the rest of the nation.

It is easy for 2 states to go Commie (like they have).

It is not so easy for the whole Nation to.

The Electoral College is working just fine. So since it is not broke don't try to fix it.

This is the bit I don't get... Are 'All men(and Women) created equal...'?

If so then there votes should be equal too, Why should Wyoming have 2.5 times the representation than California?
And using the answer 'Because that is the only way we win' is not what the was intended...

The facts are 19.8% of Americans voted for Trump, more voted for someone else... That is far from a mandate...

Even the NAZI party got 25% in 1933....

The think is the AltRight guys want voter suppression, Gerrymandering, unrepresentative elections...

Cause that is the only way they win...

Note to the clueless, more people voted against the hildabitch than voted for her also. The fact is Trump took the most votes in 67% of the States and prevailed, deal with it.

 

[Claudette]

Hillary lost by 3 to 4 million votes, why cant the Dem's just shut up and go home for another 8 years !!!

Actually she won the PV by, last I looked, around 2.9 million. Which gives the Democrat six of the last seven elections.

Yeah, take that PV with $7.00 and you might get a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

i deducted the illegal alien and dead people votes

What's scary is you idiots actually believe him....

Here is a lesson,
There is no proof "What trump says" is actually true...

I think you are going to have a rude awakening coming up...

Nah. I think you are the one who's in for a rude awakening.

Get ready dumbass. LOL

 

[Cecilie1200]

The debate has started again as to whether the US Constitution should be amended in order to change the presidential election process. Some promote
eliminating the Electoral College in favor of a direct popular vote for president while others believe the Electoral College should remain unchanged. Just as compromise solved the initial problems of the framers so it is that compromise can solve this problem. The solution is to change the electoral votes to electoral points and reward each candidate a percentage of points based on the percentage of popular votes received in each state.

This would eliminate the "winner take all" system thus allowing for all the votes to count. A voter is more apt to believe their vote counted when a percentage of popular votes are taken into account rather than the "all or nothing" system currently in existence. Further, this new system would integrate the desire for a popular vote for president with the need for the individual states to determine who actually gets elected.

As for political primaries the number of delegates awarded in each state should be determined by the percentage of votes won by each candidate.

For 2016 multiplying the percentage of votes each candidate received {in each state} times the number of electoral votes {in each state} results in the following: Clinton 256.985 and Trump 253.482.

A couple of things.

First of all, you seem to think making "a voter believe their vote counted" on a national level is the primary goal here. It's not, and never has been, and I for one can't see any particular benefit to the nation as a whole in making it so.

Second of all, we do not have an "all or nothing system", nor is a nationwide decision to be made, or ever intended to be. Each state decides individually how its electors are awarded, and while many have decided to employ an "all or nothing" strategy for their own reasons, some award them proportionately according to the popular vote in that state. The operative point is that this decision, and the power to make it, belongs to the individual states and their people, and to overrule that with an omnipotent federal government enacting the personal agendas of people who've never even VISITED that state would be to disempower and disenfranchise the individuals of those states, which is the exact opposite of your stated goal.

A much better solution for the overall well-being of the country would be to reject the urge to cater to whims and "feelz" based on ignorance, and actually educate our people as to how our government works, WHY it works that way, what the Electoral College does and for what reasons, and our history in general, so that they can make informed decisions as to what is best.

 

[Cecilie1200]

According to the U.S. Constitution, the President is to be selected by the States, not the general public. The Electoral College was simply the means of apportioning this voting power between large and small states, and certifying these votes to the national government.

The Founders were well aware of how the rabble could be roused. That is why they limited direct popular elections to the House of Representatives. The ill-conceived 17th Amendment (1913), which extended this procedure to the election of U.S. Senators, has unfortunately caused these elections to now be dominated by out-of-state money and special interests (especially in smaller states).

Direct popular election of the President would be the final step in converting our representative form of government into a mobocracy.

Like the rest of the world that elects their heads of state have?

Oh wait, not all of them. Besides us there's ................... Pakistan.

Is that supposed to imply that somehow, the rest of the world is better and should be emulated? Because if so . . . No. Uh-uh. Nope. No, thank you.

 

[Cecilie1200]

According to the U.S. Constitution, the President is to be selected by the States, not the general public. The Electoral College was simply the means of apportioning this voting power between large and small states, and certifying these votes to the national government.

The Founders were well aware of how the rabble could be roused. That is why they limited direct popular elections to the House of Representatives. The ill-conceived 17th Amendment (1913), which extended this procedure to the election of U.S. Senators, has unfortunately caused these elections to now be dominated by out-of-state money and special interests (especially in smaller states).

Direct popular election of the President would be the final step in converting our representative form of government into a mobocracy.

Like the rest of the world that elects their heads of state have?

Oh wait, not all of them. Besides us there's ................... Pakistan.

The world should be emulating us, not the other way around. Why would we want to be like nations that ARENT the greatest nation on earth?

There's no such thing. Put the comic book down....... nice and slow....

And we want to take instructions and advice about running the nation from someone who thinks every other nation on Earth is better . . . because why?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Hillary lost by 3 to 4 million votes, why cant the Dem's just shut up and go home for another 8 years !!!

Actually she won the PV by, last I looked, around 2.9 million. Which gives the Democrat six of the last seven elections.

Too bad for you we don't tabulate "wins" according to whatever apocryphal vote-counting method you prefer at the moment. Otherwise, we could just poll the voices in your head and call it a day.

You're impressed that Democrats are able to carry New York and California and think those two areas should rule the nation. I'm impressed that the Electoral College continues to do its job and PREVENT those two areas from ruling the nation. So basically, you're left to sit in the corner and mutter to yourself about your fantasies of entitlement and victimhood, and I'm left to enjoy reality. As usual.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The debate has started again

Among whom? No one is seriously debating this. But ... if YOU want to change the Constitution, just get 2/3rds of the states to come on board and you'll get your wish.

Plant your head in the sand all you like but I've got sixty polls taken over the years that ALL say the People, in every state, agree it needs to be fixed.

pogo still believes in polls

You all need to get over losing badly and try to regroup for 2020, you're going to need it. Life under Trump will last a GOOD (literally) 8 years...believe me

Yyyyeah umm..... I said SIXTY polls. And that's not an exaggeration, it may be more. Sixty-plus over several decades, that all agree with each other. Not a consensus--- unanimous.

And oh yeah also sixty-plus polls that don't contain an answer anybody would be embarrassed to be honest about.

Polls . . . polls . . . I'm checking my list of "Things I Give A Rat's Ass About" . . . Nope, don't see polls on there anywhere.

 

[mattyp]

I've got sixty polls taken over the years that ALL say the People, in every state, agree it needs to be fixed

And we ALL know how good the polls are

The sad part about all this is the fact that lefties are the ones starting this argument again. It happens every time they don't get their way. They act like cry babies and say that everything is not fair. Its not really an argument on weather or not to fix it, its more of an argument or an excuse to say that the electoral system is too outdated or that It doesn't work anymore. This is all because their beloved Hitlery lost the election that everyone said she was going to win without a doubt.

 

[Pogo]

I've got sixty polls taken over the years that ALL say the People, in every state, agree it needs to be fixed

And we ALL know how good the polls are

The sad part about all this is the fact that lefties are the ones starting this argument again. It happens every time they don't get their way. They act like cry babies and say that everything is not fair. Its not really an argument on weather or not to fix it, its more of an argument or an excuse to say that the electoral system is too outdated or that It doesn't work anymore. This is all because their beloved Hitlery lost the election that everyone said she was going to win without a doubt.

Once again for the slow kids ----- the Electoral College comes up exactly every four years, like clockwork. And it does so because every four years we have a Presidential election ---- WHICH IS WHEN THE EC GOES TO WORK. It wouldn't be expected to come up as a topic on the 2 year/7month point of a term because IT'S NOT IN PLAY THEN.

Ain't exactly rocket surgery. It was here four years ago. It was here eight years ago. It was here twelve years ago. It was here sixteen years ago. Etc etc etc. And unless it gets fixed it will be here in four years minus six weeks. And four years from that. And four more after that.

That's what happens when you have a wacko system that nullifies millions of votes, keeps turnout abysmally low, restricts candidates to a few "battleground" states, creates artificial wall-divisions (that Mexico does not pay for) of "red" and "blue" states, perpetuates the same-old-thing Duopoly while shutting out any chance of a third party alternative, and makes voters dependent on polls just to find out whether it's even worth getting out of bed on Election Day in their particular state.

 

[Cellblock2429]

I've got sixty polls taken over the years that ALL say the People, in every state, agree it needs to be fixed

And we ALL know how good the polls are

The sad part about all this is the fact that lefties are the ones starting this argument again. It happens every time they don't get their way. They act like cry babies and say that everything is not fair. Its not really an argument on weather or not to fix it, its more of an argument or an excuse to say that the electoral system is too outdated or that It doesn't work anymore. This is all because their beloved Hitlery lost the election that everyone said she was going to win without a doubt.

Once again for the slow kids ----- the Electoral College comes up exactly every four years, like clockwork. And it does so because every four years we have a Presidential election ---- WHICH IS WHEN THE EC GOES TO WORK. It wouldn't be expected to come up as a topic on the 2 year/7month point of a term because IT'S NOT IN PLAY THEN.

Ain't exactly rocket surgery. It was here four years ago. It was here eight years ago. It was here twelve years ago. It was here sixteen years ago. Etc etc etc. And unless it gets fixed it will be here in four years minus six weeks. And four years from that. And four more after that.

That's what happens when you have a wacko system that nullifies millions of votes, keeps turnout abysmally low, restricts candidates to a few "battleground" states, creates artificial wall-divisions (that Mexico does not pay for) of "red" and "blue" states, and makes voters dependent on polls just to find out whether it's even worth getting out of bed on Election Day in their particular state.

-----All elections nullify votes you blithering idiot. Someone has to lose, no one gets 100% of the vote. Geeeze