Erasing Southern Pride: U.S. Army War College Removing Confederate Generals Portraits

[bigrebnc1775]

Conservative estimate = over 100,000 White Southerners left the CSA to fight for the Union.

Every Southern state except South Carolina raised at least a battalion of Southern Unionists.

[Lincoln's Loyalists: Union Soldiers from the Confederacy]

[Also: "...some 100,000 white southerners (along with 150,000 blacks) — at least one battalion of white troops from every Confederate state except South Carolina — served in Union armies during the course of the war. " ]
Mackubin Thomas Owens on Cold Mountain on National Review Online

Other estimates place it well over a quarter million.

When I see someone use the phrase "lost cause" I see a skewed view. From my research I can't see any where near 100,000 leaving their home and country to fight for another country.

er, the phrase "Lost Cause" originated from a Confederate writer, just a year after the war ended.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/The-Lost-Cause-Southern-Confederates/dp/1410215660]The Lost Cause: A New Southern History of the War of the Confederates: Edward A. Pollard: 9781410215666: Amazon.com: Books[/ame]

The term "Lost Cause" is not a product of today's historians; rather, it appears to have been coined by Edward A. Pollard, an influential wartime editor of the Richmond Examiner. In 1866 Pollard published The Lost Cause: A New Southern History of the War of the Confederates, a justification of the Confederate war effort, prompting the popular use of the term.

Encyclopedia Virginia: Lost Cause, The

It's not what the word means but the intent of it's use by the user. It's a bit of an insult, as in lost causer.

 

[Asclepias]

When I see someone use the phrase "lost cause" I see a skewed view. From my research I can't see any where near 100,000 leaving their home and country to fight for another country.

er, the phrase "Lost Cause" originated from a Confederate writer, just a year after the war ended.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/The-Lost-Cause-Southern-Confederates/dp/1410215660]The Lost Cause: A New Southern History of the War of the Confederates: Edward A. Pollard: 9781410215666: Amazon.com: Books[/ame]

The term "Lost Cause" is not a product of today's historians; rather, it appears to have been coined by Edward A. Pollard, an influential wartime editor of the Richmond Examiner. In 1866 Pollard published The Lost Cause: A New Southern History of the War of the Confederates, a justification of the Confederate war effort, prompting the popular use of the term.

Encyclopedia Virginia: Lost Cause, The

It's not what the word means but the intent of it's use by the user. It's a bit of an insult, as in lost causer.

You continually get your ass handed to you. You need to use permanent glue this time so it wont fall off again.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

er, the phrase "Lost Cause" originated from a Confederate writer, just a year after the war ended.

The Lost Cause: A New Southern History of the War of the Confederates: Edward A. Pollard: 9781410215666: Amazon.com: Books

The term "Lost Cause" is not a product of today's historians; rather, it appears to have been coined by Edward A. Pollard, an influential wartime editor of the Richmond Examiner. In 1866 Pollard published The Lost Cause: A New Southern History of the War of the Confederates, a justification of the Confederate war effort, prompting the popular use of the term.

Encyclopedia Virginia: Lost Cause, The

It's not what the word means but the intent of it's use by the user. It's a bit of an insult, as in lost causer.

You continually get your ass handed to you. You need to use permanent glue this time so it wont fall off again.

You continue to keep putting your head up your ass. You most of all have yet to do anything.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Asclepias why do you continue to fail why do you look so fucking foolish?

 

[Dot Com]

I know right? he's got an excuse for everything BUT, no sources to back up his zany claims

er, the phrase "Lost Cause" originated from a Confederate writer, just a year after the war ended.

The Lost Cause: A New Southern History of the War of the Confederates: Edward A. Pollard: 9781410215666: Amazon.com: Books

The term "Lost Cause" is not a product of today's historians; rather, it appears to have been coined by Edward A. Pollard, an influential wartime editor of the Richmond Examiner. In 1866 Pollard published The Lost Cause: A New Southern History of the War of the Confederates, a justification of the Confederate war effort, prompting the popular use of the term.

Encyclopedia Virginia: Lost Cause, The

It's not what the word means but the intent of it's use by the user. It's a bit of an insult, as in lost causer.

You continually get your ass handed to you. You need to use permanent glue this time so it wont fall off again.

 

[Unkotare]

I am through being nice you fucking piece of shit, what the fuck is wrong with you? You make a god damn wide ass claim and when asked to support it you dance spin and run.
Only large number of troops formed in the south for the north were contraband troops. Now shut the fuck up you lying piece of shit.

I answered your damn question over and over and over, you stupid fuck. What the hell do you want, idiot?

You left out this part
Only large number of troops formed in the south for the north were contraband troops. .

NO, you idiot, NO.

 

[Unkotare]

Conservative estimate = over 100,000 White Southerners left the CSA to fight for the Union.

Every Southern state except South Carolina raised at least a battalion of Southern Unionists.

I've been trying to tell the damn fool this for several pages now. He's too stupid to process new information.

 

[Unkotare]

Conservative estimate = over 100,000 White Southerners left the CSA to fight for the Union.

Every Southern state except South Carolina raised at least a battalion of Southern Unionists.

[Lincoln's Loyalists: Union Soldiers from the Confederacy]

[Also: "...some 100,000 white southerners (along with 150,000 blacks) — at least one battalion of white troops from every Confederate state except South Carolina — served in Union armies during the course of the war. " ]
Mackubin Thomas Owens on Cold Mountain on National Review Online

Other estimates place it well over a quarter million.

Wow, the goddess of hystery got one right.

Yes, a lot of Southerners were against secession and did things to oppose it personally, politically and combatively.

Try telling that to bigLARPer, or better yet a brick wall. Same thing.

 

[Asclepias]

Asclepias why do you continue to fail why do you look so fucking foolish?

To someone getting their ass handed to them constantly its an automatic survival reflex. You start protecting your sanity by imagining other people look foolish. Don't worry though I heard eventually you will realize that you are just a loser and your illusions will dissipate.

 

[Unkotare]

When I see someone use the phrase "lost cause" I see a skewed view. From my research I can't see any where near 100,000 leaving their home and country to fight for another country.

They weren't, they were fighting for their own country. Maybe your "research" should include less playing dress-up and more actual history texts, LARPer.

 

[Kondor3]

Stone Mountain Confederate War Memorial, a few miles east-northeast of Atlanta...

"...The largest bas relief sculpture in the world, the Confederate Memorial Carving depicts three Confederate leaders of the Civil War, President Jefferson Davis and Generals Robert E. Lee and Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson (and their favorite horses, "Blackjack", "Traveller", and "Little Sorrel", respectively). The entire carved surface measures 3 acres (12,000 m2), about the size of two and a quarter football fields. The carving of the three men towers 400 feet (120 m) above the ground, measures 90 by 190 feet (58 m), and is recessed 42 feet (13 m) into the mountain. The deepest point of the carving is at Lee's elbow, which is 12 feet (3.7 m) to the mountain's surface. The carving was conceived by Mrs. C. Helen Plane, a charter member of the United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC). The Venable Brothers, owners of the mountain, deeded the north face of the mountain to the UDC in 1916. The UDC was given 12 years to complete a sizable Civil War monument. Gutzon Borglum was commissioned to do the carving. Borglum abandoned the project in 1925 (and later went on to begin Mount Rushmore). American sculptor Augustus Lukeman continued until 1928, when further work stopped for thirty years. In 1958, at the urging of Governor Marvin Griffin, the Georgia legislature approved a measure to purchase Stone Mountain for $1,125,000. In 1963, Walker Hancock was selected to complete the carving, and work began in 1964. The carving was completed by Roy Faulkner, who later operated a museum (now closed) on nearby Memorial Drive commemorating the carving's history. The carving was considered complete on March 3, 1972..."

Stone Mountain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

L. to R. - Confederate President Jefferson Davis, General Robert E. Lee, and General Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson.

Somehow, I don't think the folks Down South have forgotten their heritage, nor do they appear to be overly-shy about celebrating it, as good and true and loyal Americans...

 

[Baruch Menachem]

[What I was calling bull shit on was the good portion of the south part. it's bull shit and you know it is.

Well, I am sure 99% of the blacks in the South then would think you are full of shit. 4.5 million

Probably a quarter of whites were against secession, so that would equal another 1.25 million

So 5.75 million of 9 million opposed secession.

Yup, probably a slight majority of southerners opposed secession and the CSA.

you said a good portion hated the Confederacy
Jake the south only had 5,447,220 whites in 1860

whites were not the only ones there. the opinion of the slaves have to be included in any censes of opinion

 

[Geaux4it]

Stone Mountain Confederate War Memorial, a few miles east-northeast of Atlanta...

"...The largest bas relief sculpture in the world, the Confederate Memorial Carving depicts three Confederate leaders of the Civil War, President Jefferson Davis and Generals Robert E. Lee and Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson (and their favorite horses, "Blackjack", "Traveller", and "Little Sorrel", respectively). The entire carved surface measures 3 acres (12,000 m2), about the size of two and a quarter football fields. The carving of the three men towers 400 feet (120 m) above the ground, measures 90 by 190 feet (58 m), and is recessed 42 feet (13 m) into the mountain. The deepest point of the carving is at Lee's elbow, which is 12 feet (3.7 m) to the mountain's surface. The carving was conceived by Mrs. C. Helen Plane, a charter member of the United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC). The Venable Brothers, owners of the mountain, deeded the north face of the mountain to the UDC in 1916. The UDC was given 12 years to complete a sizable Civil War monument. Gutzon Borglum was commissioned to do the carving. Borglum abandoned the project in 1925 (and later went on to begin Mount Rushmore). American sculptor Augustus Lukeman continued until 1928, when further work stopped for thirty years. In 1958, at the urging of Governor Marvin Griffin, the Georgia legislature approved a measure to purchase Stone Mountain for $1,125,000. In 1963, Walker Hancock was selected to complete the carving, and work began in 1964. The carving was completed by Roy Faulkner, who later operated a museum (now closed) on nearby Memorial Drive commemorating the carving's history. The carving was considered complete on March 3, 1972..."

Stone Mountain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

L. to R. - Confederate President Jefferson Davis, General Robert E. Lee, and General Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson.

Somehow, I don't think the folks Down South have forgotten their heritage, nor do they appear to be overly-shy about celebrating it, as good and true and loyal Americans...

 

[Unkotare]

There were obvious portions of the South like northern Alabama, Eastern Tennessee, and West Virginia that did not want to leave the union.

Even more, West Virginia became a state in large part out of pro-union sentiment in the western part of the then larger state of Virginia.

 

[JakeStarkey]

you said a good portion hated the Confederacy
Jake the south only had 5,447,220 whites in 1860

Son, the 4.5 million blacks were part of the south, so, yes, on number a small majority hated the CSA.

Do you see how your racialism skews your thinking, my boy?

Why would slaves care about secession one way or the other? stay in the union the federal government protected slavery
Yes I see how racism skews your thinking.

Your racism is so obvious: blacks could care less about their freedom the CSA was dedicated to keep from them is your reason from counting them?

They were every bit American as you or I.

 

[Unkotare]

When I see someone use the phrase "lost cause" I see a skewed view. From my research I can't see any where near 100,000 leaving their home and country to fight for another country.

er, the phrase "Lost Cause" originated from a Confederate writer, just a year after the war ended.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/The-Lost-Cause-Southern-Confederates/dp/1410215660]The Lost Cause: A New Southern History of the War of the Confederates: Edward A. Pollard: 9781410215666: Amazon.com: Books[/ame]

The term "Lost Cause" is not a product of today's historians; rather, it appears to have been coined by Edward A. Pollard, an influential wartime editor of the Richmond Examiner. In 1866 Pollard published The Lost Cause: A New Southern History of the War of the Confederates, a justification of the Confederate war effort, prompting the popular use of the term.

Encyclopedia Virginia: Lost Cause, The

It's not what the word means but the intent of it's use by the user. It's a bit of an insult, as in lost causer.

It should be an insult, as well as an accurate descriptor.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Well, I am sure 99% of the blacks in the South then would think you are full of shit. 4.5 million

Probably a quarter of whites were against secession, so that would equal another 1.25 million

So 5.75 million of 9 million opposed secession.

Yup, probably a slight majority of southerners opposed secession and the CSA.

you said a good portion hated the Confederacy
Jake the south only had 5,447,220 whites in 1860

whites were not the only ones there. the opinion of the slaves have to be included in any censes of opinion

OH DEAR GOD. Did you mess my reply ?
Why would slaves care about secession one way or the other? stay in the union the federal government protected slavery

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Son, the 4.5 million blacks were part of the south, so, yes, on number a small majority hated the CSA.

Do you see how your racialism skews your thinking, my boy?

Why would slaves care about secession one way or the other? stay in the union the federal government protected slavery
Yes I see how racism skews your thinking.

Your racism is so obvious: blacks could care less about their freedom the CSA was dedicated to keep from them is your reason from counting them?

They were every bit American as you or I.

Your racism is your own fault, stop using it and I'll stop calling you a racist

However
dumb ass we're talking about the 19th century. Slaves didn't care about secession one way or the other. They were kept under slavery when in the union so again why would they care?
Stop using racism to advance your misinformation,

 

[bigrebnc1775]

er, the phrase "Lost Cause" originated from a Confederate writer, just a year after the war ended.

The Lost Cause: A New Southern History of the War of the Confederates: Edward A. Pollard: 9781410215666: Amazon.com: Books

The term "Lost Cause" is not a product of today's historians; rather, it appears to have been coined by Edward A. Pollard, an influential wartime editor of the Richmond Examiner. In 1866 Pollard published The Lost Cause: A New Southern History of the War of the Confederates, a justification of the Confederate war effort, prompting the popular use of the term.

Encyclopedia Virginia: Lost Cause, The

It's not what the word means but the intent of it's use by the user. It's a bit of an insult, as in lost causer.

It should be an insult, as well as an accurate descriptor.

Well here we go thanks for the example. I can feel your hate.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I know right? he's got an excuse for everything BUT, no sources to back up his zany claims

It's not what the word means but the intent of it's use by the user. It's a bit of an insult, as in lost causer.

You continually get your ass handed to you. You need to use permanent glue this time so it wont fall off again.

[/QUOT] well sunshine step up to the plate