Famous Navy Seal calls for veterans to defend Trump now

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I'm a 20 year veteran from the U.S. Navy, and I wouldn't piss up Trump's ass if his guts were on fire.

yea but you were a faggot ass PN......a womans rate

And you served where?

Yanno Winterborn, with the pay error rate that I had while I was in, most commands would have LOVED to have had me in their office. Outstanding for a personnel office was to have a 5 percent or less error rate for their payroll. When I was stationed with the USNS CONCORD (a MSC vessel where I was the only PN), my error rate was less than TWO percent. Whenever a new PN checked onboard a MSC vessel, if my ship was inport, MSC required them to come see me and get a copy of the programs I was using to keep my error rate so low.

One of the reasons I was awarded 3 flag level Navy Achievement medals.

Nothing anyone says about my service bothers me, I have the retirement check, retired ID, and all the benefits that go with it, and my 214 and shadowbox tells you how I did.

That's a really interesting story because PNs had nothing to do with payroll when I served. That was a DKs job!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No. No manliness issues here. There are some outstanding admin types in the Navy. I just bet the aforementioned individuali falls into that category due to his rampant liberal agenda.

Some of the best officers I ever met were women. But that was many years later when the Navy became more gender neutral. I never served on a ship with woman with the exception of a few weeks when we were assigned our first female crewmember who was our doctor.

So...you automatically classify a shipmate with different political views than you as somehow less?

No, but this individual has proven himself worthy of my scorn and ridicule.

On an anonymous message board? Admit it's just because he has different political opinions than you.

No. He cannot even adequately defend his positions with any semblance of intelligence. Plus, he over-dramatizes his military service when the most stressful thing he likely endured was a paper cut.

"likely"? So you are working off of "likely"?

Oh, get off it! You are a becoming a massive bore.

 

[BoSoxGal]

I'd give up my life to keep this country from going the way turkey has been going...You fascist pieces of shit will have a war on your hands.

I will too - and we'll see how those redneck couch potatoes do against a woman with military training and a US Army sharpshooter rating.

 

[BoSoxGal]

Tell him to fuck off for me please. I wont ever support that clown and i will laugh if someone euthanizes him.

And you were never a SEAL either.

Were you?

No, but 5 have been close friends.
2 are still alive.

I have lost several friends who were SEALs. The first was in Genada.

I will defend Trump when he is right. I will condemn him when he is wrong. To do anything else is traitorous and dishonorable.

Good man, you are!

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I'd give up my life to keep this country from going the way turkey has been going...You fascist pieces of shit will have a war on your hands.

I will too - and we'll see how those redneck couch potatoes do against a woman with military training and a US Army sharpshooter rating.

Couldn't get expert, eh?

 

[BoSoxGal]

You don't think "...He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.” is disrespectful of every POW?

Especially coming from someone who thinks his time is some rich private school is the same as military service?

He was criticizing the gas bag, not all POWs. When did he say his school was like military service?

Didn't he say "I always felt I was in the military" referring to his attending a private school?

And then some nonsense about him getting more training, militarily, than guys who go into the military.

Yes, he was making the remarks towards McCain. But why would they not be about any POW? The "I like people who weren't captured"? So he dislikes POWs.

I didn't take his words that way. Neither do most vets so....

You have talked to "most vets"? Or POWs?

I am not fan of McCain. But he is a hero for what he did, not for any failure by getting caught.

He was on the USS Forrestal as a pilot. The Forrestal was famous for the fires that almost destroyed her. McCain got out of his own jet, and rather than run for cover, he ran to another jet to help a pilot get out. He was hit by shrapnel when a nearby bomb exploded.

When he was in the quaint little place known as "The Hanoi Hilton", he was offered a chance to go home. It was a PR move by the North Vietnamese. McCain refused. He would only accept their "mercy" if every man who was captured before him was released with him. He stayed in that hellhole for another 4 years.

I've been to military communities, nothing but Trump signs then. Everyone across the country said the same.

There may be more to McCain's history though:

USS Forrestal, July 29, 1967 - The worst accident aboard a US Navy surface vessel since WWII | Sonoran News
The Navy released John McCain’s military record after a Freedom of Information Act request from the Associated Press. The record is packed with information on McCain’s medals and commendations but little else. The one thing that the McCain campaign does not want to see released is the record of McCain’s antics on board the USS Forestal in 1967.

McCain was personally responsible for the deadliest fire in the history of the US Navy. That catastrophe, with 27 dead and over 100 wounded trumps McCain’s record as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam.

WMR has learned additional details regarding the deadly fire aboard the Navy aircraft carrier, the USS Forrestal, on July 19, 1967 in the Gulf of Tonkin. The additional details point to then-Lt. Commander John McCain playing more of a role in triggering the fire and explosions than previously reported.

On January 16, 2006, WMR reported that according to a US Navy sailor who was aboard the Forrestal on the fateful day of the fire, “McCain and the Forrestal’s skipper, Capt. John K. Beling, were warned about the danger of using M-65 1000-lb. bombs manufactured in 1935, which were deemed too dangerous to use during World War II and, later, on B-52 bombers. The fire from the Zuni missle misfire resulted in the heavy 1000 pound bombs being knocked loose from the pylons of McCain’s A-4 aircraft, which were only designed to hold 500-pound bombs.”

WMR further reported, “The unstable bombs had a 60-second cook-off threshold in a fire situation and this warning was known to both Beling and McCain prior to the disaster.” WMR also cited the potential that McCain’s Navy records were used against him by the neo-cons in control of the Pentagon, “The neo-cons, who have had five years to examine every file within the Department of Defense, have likely accessed documents that could prove embarrassing to McCain, who was on board the USS Forrestal on July 29, 1967, and whose A-4 Skyhawk was struck by an air-toground Zuni missile that had misfired from an F-4 Phantom.”

WMR has been informed that crewmen aboard the Forrestal have provided additional information about the Forrestal incident. It is believed by many crewmen and those who have investigated the case that McCain deliberately “wet-started” his A-4E to shake up the guy in the plane behind his A-4. “Wet-starts”, done either deliberately or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.

In McCain’s case, the “wet-start” apparently “cooked off” and launched the Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that touched off the explosions and massive fire. The F-4 pilot was reportedly killed in the conflagration. “Wet starting” was apparently a common practice among young “hot-dog” pilots.

McCain was quickly transferred to the USS Oriskany (the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred). Three months later, McCain was shot down over North Vietnam on October 26, 1967.

As WMR previously reported, at the time of the Forrestal disaster, McCain’s father, Admiral John McCain, Jr., was Commander-in-Chief of US Naval Forces Europe (CINCUSNAVEUR) and was busy covering up the details of the deadly and pre-meditated June 8, 1967, Israeli attack on the NSA spy ship, the USS Liberty.

The fact that both McCains were involved in two incidents just weeks apart that resulted in a total death count of 168 on the Forrestal and the Liberty, with an additional injury count of 234 on both ships (with a number of them later dying from their wounds) with an accompanying classified paper trail inside the Pentagon, may be all that was needed to hold a Sword of Damocles over the head of the “family honor”-oriented McCain by the neo-cons.

WMR has also been informed by knowledgeable sources, including an ex-Navy A-4 pilot, the “wet-start game” was a common occurrence. However, it is between “very unlikely” and “impossible” for the Forrestal “wet start” to have been accidental. “Wet starts” were later rendered impossible by automated engine controls.

Disgusting garbage. You're a POS.

 

[BoSoxGal]

I'd give up my life to keep this country from going the way turkey has been going...You fascist pieces of shit will have a war on your hands.

I will too - and we'll see how those redneck couch potatoes do against a woman with military training and a US Army sharpshooter rating.

Couldn't get expert, eh?

Yes, but only wearing corrective lenses.

Stuff that up your skanky ****. And BLESS YOUR HEART!

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I'd give up my life to keep this country from going the way turkey has been going...You fascist pieces of shit will have a war on your hands.

I will too - and we'll see how those redneck couch potatoes do against a woman with military training and a US Army sharpshooter rating.

Couldn't get expert, eh?

Yes, but only wearing corrective lenses.

Stuff that up your skanky ****. And BLESS YOUR HEART!

I doubt you knew there was an expert. Skank

 

[BoSoxGal]

I'd give up my life to keep this country from going the way turkey has been going...You fascist pieces of shit will have a war on your hands.

I will too - and we'll see how those redneck couch potatoes do against a woman with military training and a US Army sharpshooter rating.

Couldn't get expert, eh?

Yes, but only wearing corrective lenses.

Stuff that up your skanky ****. And BLESS YOUR HEART!

I doubt you knew there was an expert. Skank

What's your military experience, skanky ****?

Someone who is willing to admit not being the most perfect at something is probably telling the truth. There is plenty I'm most perfect at, but I do wear corrective lenses so I don't count my expert rating earned with them because I won't be wearing them when I shoot you between the eyes should you follow your fascist President into battle to try to destroy this country.

M'kay? Bless your heart.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I'd give up my life to keep this country from going the way turkey has been going...You fascist pieces of shit will have a war on your hands.

I will too - and we'll see how those redneck couch potatoes do against a woman with military training and a US Army sharpshooter rating.

Couldn't get expert, eh?

Yes, but only wearing corrective lenses.

Stuff that up your skanky ****. And BLESS YOUR HEART!

I doubt you knew there was an expert. Skank

What's your military experience, skanky ****?

Someone who is willing to admit not being the most perfect at something is probably telling the truth. There is plenty I'm most perfect at, but I do wear corrective lenses so I don't count my expert rating earned with them because I won't be wearing them when I shoot you between the eyes should you follow your fascist President into battle to try to destroy this country.

M'kay? Bless your heart.

Shoot me between the eyes? You're certifiable, ya fucking fruitcake

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You don't think "...He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.” is disrespectful of every POW?

Especially coming from someone who thinks his time is some rich private school is the same as military service?

He was criticizing the gas bag, not all POWs. When did he say his school was like military service?

Didn't he say "I always felt I was in the military" referring to his attending a private school?

And then some nonsense about him getting more training, militarily, than guys who go into the military.

Yes, he was making the remarks towards McCain. But why would they not be about any POW? The "I like people who weren't captured"? So he dislikes POWs.

I didn't take his words that way. Neither do most vets so....

You have talked to "most vets"? Or POWs?

I am not fan of McCain. But he is a hero for what he did, not for any failure by getting caught.

He was on the USS Forrestal as a pilot. The Forrestal was famous for the fires that almost destroyed her. McCain got out of his own jet, and rather than run for cover, he ran to another jet to help a pilot get out. He was hit by shrapnel when a nearby bomb exploded.

When he was in the quaint little place known as "The Hanoi Hilton", he was offered a chance to go home. It was a PR move by the North Vietnamese. McCain refused. He would only accept their "mercy" if every man who was captured before him was released with him. He stayed in that hellhole for another 4 years.

I've been to military communities, nothing but Trump signs then. Everyone across the country said the same.

There may be more to McCain's history though:

USS Forrestal, July 29, 1967 - The worst accident aboard a US Navy surface vessel since WWII | Sonoran News
The Navy released John McCain’s military record after a Freedom of Information Act request from the Associated Press. The record is packed with information on McCain’s medals and commendations but little else. The one thing that the McCain campaign does not want to see released is the record of McCain’s antics on board the USS Forestal in 1967.

McCain was personally responsible for the deadliest fire in the history of the US Navy. That catastrophe, with 27 dead and over 100 wounded trumps McCain’s record as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam.

WMR has learned additional details regarding the deadly fire aboard the Navy aircraft carrier, the USS Forrestal, on July 19, 1967 in the Gulf of Tonkin. The additional details point to then-Lt. Commander John McCain playing more of a role in triggering the fire and explosions than previously reported.

On January 16, 2006, WMR reported that according to a US Navy sailor who was aboard the Forrestal on the fateful day of the fire, “McCain and the Forrestal’s skipper, Capt. John K. Beling, were warned about the danger of using M-65 1000-lb. bombs manufactured in 1935, which were deemed too dangerous to use during World War II and, later, on B-52 bombers. The fire from the Zuni missle misfire resulted in the heavy 1000 pound bombs being knocked loose from the pylons of McCain’s A-4 aircraft, which were only designed to hold 500-pound bombs.”

WMR further reported, “The unstable bombs had a 60-second cook-off threshold in a fire situation and this warning was known to both Beling and McCain prior to the disaster.” WMR also cited the potential that McCain’s Navy records were used against him by the neo-cons in control of the Pentagon, “The neo-cons, who have had five years to examine every file within the Department of Defense, have likely accessed documents that could prove embarrassing to McCain, who was on board the USS Forrestal on July 29, 1967, and whose A-4 Skyhawk was struck by an air-toground Zuni missile that had misfired from an F-4 Phantom.”

WMR has been informed that crewmen aboard the Forrestal have provided additional information about the Forrestal incident. It is believed by many crewmen and those who have investigated the case that McCain deliberately “wet-started” his A-4E to shake up the guy in the plane behind his A-4. “Wet-starts”, done either deliberately or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.

In McCain’s case, the “wet-start” apparently “cooked off” and launched the Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that touched off the explosions and massive fire. The F-4 pilot was reportedly killed in the conflagration. “Wet starting” was apparently a common practice among young “hot-dog” pilots.

McCain was quickly transferred to the USS Oriskany (the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred). Three months later, McCain was shot down over North Vietnam on October 26, 1967.

As WMR previously reported, at the time of the Forrestal disaster, McCain’s father, Admiral John McCain, Jr., was Commander-in-Chief of US Naval Forces Europe (CINCUSNAVEUR) and was busy covering up the details of the deadly and pre-meditated June 8, 1967, Israeli attack on the NSA spy ship, the USS Liberty.

The fact that both McCains were involved in two incidents just weeks apart that resulted in a total death count of 168 on the Forrestal and the Liberty, with an additional injury count of 234 on both ships (with a number of them later dying from their wounds) with an accompanying classified paper trail inside the Pentagon, may be all that was needed to hold a Sword of Damocles over the head of the “family honor”-oriented McCain by the neo-cons.

WMR has also been informed by knowledgeable sources, including an ex-Navy A-4 pilot, the “wet-start game” was a common occurrence. However, it is between “very unlikely” and “impossible” for the Forrestal “wet start” to have been accidental. “Wet starts” were later rendered impossible by automated engine controls.

That "story" about the fire on the Forrestal is a pure piece of fiction.

I was an electronics technician while I was enlisted and learned that certain munitions, i.e. the Zuni rocket (not missile) are susceptible to induced voltages caused by electromagnetic interference. That was determined as the cause of the rocket being fired.

Also, the aircraft that fired that Zuni flew down the deck and struck the A-4 Skyhawks on the area near the waist catapult where McCain's plane was parked. There was no aircraft behind him as his plane was backed in on the port side.

 

[WinterBorn]

w
I know perfectly well what your derogatory term mean. Sounds like you've got some manliness issues that you have to put down an Admin rate like that. You must have been a Black Shoe.

No. No manliness issues here. There are some outstanding admin types in the Navy. I just bet the aforementioned individuali falls into that category due to his rampant liberal agenda.

Some of the best officers I ever met were women. But that was many years later when the Navy became more gender neutral. I never served on a ship with woman with the exception of a few weeks when we were assigned our first female crewmember who was our doctor.

So...you automatically classify a shipmate with different political views than you as somehow less?

No, but this individual has proven himself worthy of my scorn and ridicule.

On an anonymous message board? Admit it's just because he has different political opinions than you.

No. He cannot even adequately defend his positions with any semblance of intelligence. Plus, he over-dramatizes his military service when the most stressful thing he likely endured was a paper cut.

Any man who was in the military could have been sent into a war zone at any time. If he had a contract guaranteeing him a school, the only actual legal requirement was that he be able to go to that school before he was discharged. So every guy who signed up was eligible.

And, as I said before, he is a veteran.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No. No manliness issues here. There are some outstanding admin types in the Navy. I just bet the aforementioned individuali falls into that category due to his rampant liberal agenda.

Some of the best officers I ever met were women. But that was many years later when the Navy became more gender neutral. I never served on a ship with woman with the exception of a few weeks when we were assigned our first female crewmember who was our doctor.

So...you automatically classify a shipmate with different political views than you as somehow less?

No, but this individual has proven himself worthy of my scorn and ridicule.

On an anonymous message board? Admit it's just because he has different political opinions than you.

No. He cannot even adequately defend his positions with any semblance of intelligence. Plus, he over-dramatizes his military service when the most stressful thing he likely endured was a paper cut.

Any man who was in the military could have been sent into a war zone at any time. If he had a contract guaranteeing him a school, the only actual legal requirement was that he be able to go to that school before he was discharged. So every guy who signed up was eligible.

And, as I said before, he is a veteran.

Yeah, those PNs were always on the front lines of every battle, right in front of the Yeomen, Disbursing Clerks and Postal Clerks!

 

[JimBowie1958]

Whether someone served for 4 years or 30 years, as long as they served they are veterans.

But in McCain's case he is a collaborator and a traitor.

 

[BoSoxGal]

Whether someone served for 4 years or 30 years, as long as they served they are veterans.

But in McCain's case he is a collaborator and a traitor.

You are scum.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Not a chance in hell I would serve Israel's overseas territory aka the USA. My father and grandfather and uncle did unfortunately.I serve my race not a government that hates my race.

Then shut the fuck up about what US veterans should or shouldn't do.

Odium has to prove his name sake on occasion, and it looks like this is such an occasion.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Whether someone served for 4 years or 30 years, as long as they served they are veterans.

But in McCain's case he is a collaborator and a traitor.

You are scum.

I am telling FACTS.

You can go piss on yourself for all I care, idiot.

 

[Preacher]

Not a chance in hell I would serve Israel's overseas territory aka the USA. My father and grandfather and uncle did unfortunately.I serve my race not a government that hates my race.

Then shut the fuck up about what US veterans should or shouldn't do.

Odium has to prove his name sake on occasion, and it looks like this is such an occasion.

I don't need to prove it. I am PURE HATRED.....it keeps me warm.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Didn't he say "I always felt I was in the military" referring to his attending a private school?

And then some nonsense about him getting more training, militarily, than guys who go into the military.

Yes, he was making the remarks towards McCain. But why would they not be about any POW? The "I like people who weren't captured"? So he dislikes POWs.

Winterbrosky, some MOS get barely any military training at all, 8 weeks when I was in back in the 70's. Trump had years of paramilitary training as a cadet in a military school, so yeah, he could justifiably say he *felt* like he was int he military, IMNSHO.

As far as McCain goes, I respect POWS, but I REFUSE to respect collaborators like that PoS. We had good men still being tortured while McCain was walking around in fresh clean civilian clothes drinking Coka Colas because he gave up everything the commies asked him to, so much they nicknamed him the Songbird.

Fuck John McCain, the fucking collaborating traitor.

 

[bodecea]

I'm a 20 year veteran from the U.S. Navy, and I wouldn't piss up Trump's ass if his guts were on fire.

yea but you were a faggot ass PN......a womans rate

And you served where?

Yanno Winterborn, with the pay error rate that I had while I was in, most commands would have LOVED to have had me in their office. Outstanding for a personnel office was to have a 5 percent or less error rate for their payroll. When I was stationed with the USNS CONCORD (a MSC vessel where I was the only PN), my error rate was less than TWO percent. Whenever a new PN checked onboard a MSC vessel, if my ship was inport, MSC required them to come see me and get a copy of the programs I was using to keep my error rate so low.

One of the reasons I was awarded 3 flag level Navy Achievement medals.

Nothing anyone says about my service bothers me, I have the retirement check, retired ID, and all the benefits that go with it, and my 214 and shadowbox tells you how I did.

That's a really interesting story because PNs had nothing to do with payroll when I served. That was a DKs job!

It's all in PSD now. You wouldn't believe how they've centralized everything.