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Good to see that I've made you retract the suggestion that it is the Right that uses vast amounts of money.....so we agree it is the Left!
Don't ever lie about it again.
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From Rags To Riches.....Or Not
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Good to see that I've made you retract the suggestion that it is the Right that uses vast amounts of money.....so we agree it is the Left!
Don't ever lie about it again.
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Yup, a great man, dupe.And the Kochs were going to give a billion to the GOP...until Trump. The whole GOP depends on big money. That's how they keep their bought off politicians in line...Soros gives most of his money outside the country. DUH.1. As of 2009, the financial assets of the 115 major tax-exempt foundations of the Left add up to $104.56 billlion. Not only is this total not less than the financial assets of the 75 foundations of the Right, it was more than ten times greater! [p. 8]
a. Bradley, Olin, Scaife, the “Big Three” conservative foundations, not one has assets exceeding $1 billion. (Olin has been defunct since 2005).
i. Scaife Foundation has assets totaling $244 million.
ii. Bradley Foundation, $623 million.
b. Fourteen progressive foundations do, including Gates, Ford, Robert Wood Johnson, Hewlett, Kellogg, Packard, MacArthur, Mellon, Rockefeller, Casey, Carnegie, Simons, Heinz, and the Open Society Institute.
i. Ford alone has 16 times what Bradley has.
ii. Soros has claimed that he has donated over $7 billion to his Open Society organizations.
iii. The leading Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, $33 billion.
2. With over $100 billion in tax-exempt assets at their disposal, left-wing foundations have been able to invest massively greater amounts in their beneficiary groups. Ford gave more in one year than Scaife in 40!
a. “By compiling a computerized record of nearly all his contributions over the last four decades, The Washington Post found that Scaife and his family's charitable entities have given at least $340 million to conservative causes and institutions… The Ford Foundation gave away $491 million in 1998 alone.” Washingtonpost.com: Scaife: Funding Father of the Right
Check out “The New Leviathan,” David Horowitz and Jacob Laksin
Koch Brothers????
Really?
3. " The brothers that liberals like to hate are often trotted out as prime examples of why campaign finance reform is necessary. They are often portrayed as one of the biggest contributors to political candidates, their evil money financing evil Republicans...... OpenSecrets.org tallied the top donors in federal elections between 1989 and 2014. Koch Industries ;;;; doesn't appear until the 59th slot,...
a. Six ofthe top 10 are ... wait for it ... unions. They gave more than $278 million, with most of it going to Democrats. These are familiar names: AFSCME ($60.6 million), NEA ($53.5 million), IBEW ($44.4 million), UAW ($41.6 million), Carpenters & Joiners ($39.2 million) and SEIU ($38.3 million).
4. ....the Koch brothers also contribute tens of millions of dolalrs to the GOP cause indirectly through their indpendent committees Americans for Prosperity and others. Also to be fair, I should point out that unions spent a half a billion dollars in such indirect spending in the 2012 election cycle.
5. So, if money is the measure of evil in American politics and the Evil Koch Bros only come in 59th, who is really the most evil donor ever?
Turns out it's Act Blue, with just short of $100 million in contributions during its lifetime, which only started in 2004, 15 years after the Evil Koch Bros in the OpenSecrets.org compilation." Blog: 'Evil' Koch brothers just 59th on top political donation list
The Kochs announced early last year that they had $889,000,000 between the two of them, two individuals, to play with for this election. Why don't you state ALL the facts?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/u...-spend-900-million-on-2016-campaign.html?_r=0
- David and Charles Koch each own 42 percent of closely held Wichita, Kansas-based Koch Industries, have a combined net worth of $70.8 billion, and are the seventh and eighth richest people in the world, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires index.
- The Koch brothers have become synonymous with outside spending in politics in part becauseDavid Koch is head of Americans for Prosperity, which has helped fuel the Tea Party movement that seeks smaller government. Americans for Prosperity is a nonprofit group that isn’t required to disclose its donors and legally can’t spend more than 50 percent of its budget on elections. It has spent more than $6 million on television ads attacking Obama, and recently announced a $9 million ad campaign against the president’s health-care law.
1. http://newyork.newsday.com/news/nat...iser-for-romney-draws-protest-in-ny-1.3826383
- Soros has given away over $7 billion to “support human rights, freedom of expression, and access to public health and education in 70 countries.”
- Up to $425 million donated annually
In your face....again...dunce.
You need to see this AGAIN????
- Soros has given away over $7 billion to “support human rights, freedom of expression, and access to public health and education in 70 countries.”
Soros..."a great man..."
In his essay, Soros champions the collective over the individual and the end of national sovereignty
Here.
Philanthropy
Soooo....your position, too, comrade?
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Jesus told us that the poor would always be with us. Looks like He was right. There is no cure.1. In this thread, an exemplar of the indoctrination that is central to the ascendancy of 'Liberalism, Incorporated.'
Why in 'Politics'? For this For this reason....every political endeavor in our society recognizes, and attempts to confront, poverty.
Some actually desire ending it.
The defining characteristic that divides conservatism and Modern Liberalism is the role played by government in attempting to end poverty.
Two quotes which set the stage:
a. The nine most terrifying words in the English language are "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan
b. "You do not take a man who for years has been hobbled by chains, liberate him, bring him to the starting line of a race, saying, "you are free to compete with all the others," and still justly believe you have been completely fair... This is the next and more profound stage of the battle for civil rights. We seek not just freedom but opportunity—not just legal equity but human ability—not just equality as a right and a theory, but equality as a fact and as a result. "LBJ in the Commencement Address at Howard University on June 4, 1965 on affirmative action
Of course, the difference between the two views is stark...but I contend that a look at the results of the two views makes it impossible not to see the former as the correct one.
2. The impetus for this thread is a new series on NPR radio, "Busted: America's Poverty Myths." Based on the perspective one has come to expect from NPR, and the fact that it dines at the government trough, one would expect a one-sided support for the Liberal perspective.
Nay, nay! An excellent, professional job....sloped toward the Left, but, still, quite even-handed. Listen here: Busted: America's Poverty Myths | WNYC
3. NPR gets right to it; "The upward mobility myth....where everyone has an equal chance to surmount any obstacle..." Well...they may label it a 'myth'...because they have slanted the language to prove their contention. Only a fool expects the CEO position to be given out randomly, sort of like the Dalai Lama position is.
In fact, upward mobility is a attainable.... for all... if one places the goal within a real-world framework that includes hard work, the proper discipline in the choices one makes, and rational expectations. That means, do the right things.
4. The show starts by....'blaming' Ben Franklin for the 'myth.'
I said 'even-handed'....and quote is provided: "... the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.” Ben Franklin
Now...they do point out how exceptional Ben Franklin was....but it's hard to find any errors in that quote.
How does NPR soften the blow to the Liberal perspective?
Next.
The need is to define the term
The Left, Liberals/Democrats use the term as though anyone with a smaller tv screen you do is 'poor.'
Correctly used, it means "no home, no heat, no food."
Based on that, there are virtually no poor in this nation.
Rustic
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No doubt a civilian federal government job has zero bang for the buck to the public... but they keep on hiring. As they have always said of a civilian federal government job - you never have to work for money its given to you, and no chance of getting fired for not working for life and Having a Conscience is strongly discouraged... lol5. According to his autobiography, Ben Franklin gives himself total credit for his success, and as for any who helped him, or on whom he depended, he erases them from the picture. And that becomes the 'lyric' or the American poverty myth.
You can hear the same in Barack Obama dumping on that view, here: “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
If you stand behind that view, well,
either you believe it aids those not successful to tear down the accomplishments of those who have achieved upward mobility...
....or you have the need to claim that the bigger government is, the better it is for all Americans.
Sort of like this: Every liberal gets up in the morning saying "The answer is bigger government. Now....what is your question."
6. Let's take a quick look at the folks who did build that successful business...and why they deserve all the credit, and a better shake from their President:
Entrepreneurs of all types rate their well-being higher than any other professional group in America.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/the-self-employed-are-the-happiest/
Think it’s because they’re making beaucoup bucks? Wrong. Small business owners make 19% less than government managers.
http://www.cbsalary.com/calculators/
Comparing Federal and Private Sector Compensation
http://www.aei.org/papers/economics/fiscal-policy/labor/comparing-federal-and-private
sector-compensation/
“WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Nearly half of self-employed Americans (49%) report working
more than 44 hours in a typical work week, compared to 39% of American workers overall
38% in government and in private business, …”
Self-Employed Workers Clock the Most Hours Each Week
The average small-business owner earns $44,576 per year.
http://www.cbsalary.com/national-salary chart.aspx?specialty=Small+Business+Owner&cty=&sid=&kw=Business+Development&jn=jn037&edu=&tid=105988
How'd that happen, NPR????
Liberalism gave them their success?????
Hardly.
It all shows on the bottom line the federal government is always in the red…
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No doubt a civilian federal government job has zero bang for the buck to the public... but they keep on hiring. As they have always said of a civilian federal government job - you never have to work for money its given to you, and no chance of getting fired for not working for life and Having a Conscience is strongly discouraged... lol5. According to his autobiography, Ben Franklin gives himself total credit for his success, and as for any who helped him, or on whom he depended, he erases them from the picture. And that becomes the 'lyric' or the American poverty myth.
You can hear the same in Barack Obama dumping on that view, here: “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
If you stand behind that view, well,
either you believe it aids those not successful to tear down the accomplishments of those who have achieved upward mobility...
....or you have the need to claim that the bigger government is, the better it is for all Americans.
Sort of like this: Every liberal gets up in the morning saying "The answer is bigger government. Now....what is your question."
6. Let's take a quick look at the folks who did build that successful business...and why they deserve all the credit, and a better shake from their President:
Entrepreneurs of all types rate their well-being higher than any other professional group in America.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/the-self-employed-are-the-happiest/
Think it’s because they’re making beaucoup bucks? Wrong. Small business owners make 19% less than government managers.
http://www.cbsalary.com/calculators/
Comparing Federal and Private Sector Compensation
http://www.aei.org/papers/economics/fiscal-policy/labor/comparing-federal-and-private
sector-compensation/
“WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Nearly half of self-employed Americans (49%) report working
more than 44 hours in a typical work week, compared to 39% of American workers overall
38% in government and in private business, …”
Self-Employed Workers Clock the Most Hours Each Week
The average small-business owner earns $44,576 per year.
http://www.cbsalary.com/national-salary chart.aspx?specialty=Small+Business+Owner&cty=&sid=&kw=Business+Development&jn=jn037&edu=&tid=105988
How'd that happen, NPR????
Liberalism gave them their success?????
Hardly.
It all shows on the bottom line the federal government is always in the red…
You've got a point there, Rustic...
The government sort of admitted it here: The fake Department of Education, formed by Carter to get the votes of the NEA
Department of Education is, of course, unconstitutional. The Constitution clearly states that powers not granted to the federal government belong to the states. So where is the impetus for its creation? Unions. The National Education Association (NEA) “In 1972, the massive union formed a political action committee…released ‘Needed: A Cabinet Department of Education’ in 1975, but its most significant step was to endorse a presidential candidate- Jimmy Carter- for the first time in the history of the organization.”
D.T. Stallngs, “A Brief History of the Department of Education: 1979-2002,” p. 3.
When formed, its budget was $13.1 billion (in 2007 dollars) and it employed 450 people. In 2010, the estimated budget is $107 billion, and there are 4,800 employees.
http://crunchycon.nationalreview.co...-department-education-not-radical/mona-charen
Now...get this:
“In November 1995, when the federal government shut down over a budget crisis, 89.4 percent of the department’s employees were deemed ‘nonessential’ and sent home.”
Beck and Balfe, “Broke,” p.304
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89.4%… a very modest number.No doubt a civilian federal government job has zero bang for the buck to the public... but they keep on hiring. As they have always said of a civilian federal government job - you never have to work for money its given to you, and no chance of getting fired for not working for life and Having a Conscience is strongly discouraged... lol5. According to his autobiography, Ben Franklin gives himself total credit for his success, and as for any who helped him, or on whom he depended, he erases them from the picture. And that becomes the 'lyric' or the American poverty myth.
You can hear the same in Barack Obama dumping on that view, here: “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
If you stand behind that view, well,
either you believe it aids those not successful to tear down the accomplishments of those who have achieved upward mobility...
....or you have the need to claim that the bigger government is, the better it is for all Americans.
Sort of like this: Every liberal gets up in the morning saying "The answer is bigger government. Now....what is your question."
6. Let's take a quick look at the folks who did build that successful business...and why they deserve all the credit, and a better shake from their President:
Entrepreneurs of all types rate their well-being higher than any other professional group in America.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/the-self-employed-are-the-happiest/
Think it’s because they’re making beaucoup bucks? Wrong. Small business owners make 19% less than government managers.
http://www.cbsalary.com/calculators/
Comparing Federal and Private Sector Compensation
http://www.aei.org/papers/economics/fiscal-policy/labor/comparing-federal-and-private
sector-compensation/
“WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Nearly half of self-employed Americans (49%) report working
more than 44 hours in a typical work week, compared to 39% of American workers overall
38% in government and in private business, …”
Self-Employed Workers Clock the Most Hours Each Week
The average small-business owner earns $44,576 per year.
http://www.cbsalary.com/national-salary chart.aspx?specialty=Small+Business+Owner&cty=&sid=&kw=Business+Development&jn=jn037&edu=&tid=105988
How'd that happen, NPR????
Liberalism gave them their success?????
Hardly.
It all shows on the bottom line the federal government is always in the red…
You've got a point there, Rustic...
The government sort of admitted it here: The fake Department of Education, formed by Carter to get the votes of the NEA
Department of Education is, of course, unconstitutional. The Constitution clearly states that powers not granted to the federal government belong to the states. So where is the impetus for its creation? Unions. The National Education Association (NEA) “In 1972, the massive union formed a political action committee…released ‘Needed: A Cabinet Department of Education’ in 1975, but its most significant step was to endorse a presidential candidate- Jimmy Carter- for the first time in the history of the organization.”
D.T. Stallngs, “A Brief History of the Department of Education: 1979-2002,” p. 3.
When formed, its budget was $13.1 billion (in 2007 dollars) and it employed 450 people. In 2010, the estimated budget is $107 billion, and there are 4,800 employees.
http://crunchycon.nationalreview.co...-department-education-not-radical/mona-charen
Now...get this:
“In November 1995, when the federal government shut down over a budget crisis, 89.4 percent of the department’s employees were deemed ‘nonessential’ and sent home.”
Beck and Balfe, “Broke,” p.304
On top of that who pays for the civilian federal government "job" if you can call it that... the top 10% earners.
Typical of socialism - punishment of the successful... lol
Why would anyone wonder why the federal government is always in the red…
RWNJ
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Then I'm guessing you have never visited a homeless shelter in a major city. In Las Vegas, there were thousands of them, waiting in the chow line. waiting for a chance to get out of the cold. There were never enough beds. Between 2.3 and 3.5 million people are homeless in America . Those are 2008 figures. It's undoubtedly worse today. I would hardly call that an insignificant number. And it's much worse in other countries.Jesus told us that the poor would always be with us. Looks like He was right. There is no cure.1. In this thread, an exemplar of the indoctrination that is central to the ascendancy of 'Liberalism, Incorporated.'
Why in 'Politics'? For this For this reason....every political endeavor in our society recognizes, and attempts to confront, poverty.
Some actually desire ending it.
The defining characteristic that divides conservatism and Modern Liberalism is the role played by government in attempting to end poverty.
Two quotes which set the stage:
a. The nine most terrifying words in the English language are "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan
b. "You do not take a man who for years has been hobbled by chains, liberate him, bring him to the starting line of a race, saying, "you are free to compete with all the others," and still justly believe you have been completely fair... This is the next and more profound stage of the battle for civil rights. We seek not just freedom but opportunity—not just legal equity but human ability—not just equality as a right and a theory, but equality as a fact and as a result. "LBJ in the Commencement Address at Howard University on June 4, 1965 on affirmative action
Of course, the difference between the two views is stark...but I contend that a look at the results of the two views makes it impossible not to see the former as the correct one.
2. The impetus for this thread is a new series on NPR radio, "Busted: America's Poverty Myths." Based on the perspective one has come to expect from NPR, and the fact that it dines at the government trough, one would expect a one-sided support for the Liberal perspective.
Nay, nay! An excellent, professional job....sloped toward the Left, but, still, quite even-handed. Listen here: Busted: America's Poverty Myths | WNYC
3. NPR gets right to it; "The upward mobility myth....where everyone has an equal chance to surmount any obstacle..." Well...they may label it a 'myth'...because they have slanted the language to prove their contention. Only a fool expects the CEO position to be given out randomly, sort of like the Dalai Lama position is.
In fact, upward mobility is a attainable.... for all... if one places the goal within a real-world framework that includes hard work, the proper discipline in the choices one makes, and rational expectations. That means, do the right things.
4. The show starts by....'blaming' Ben Franklin for the 'myth.'
I said 'even-handed'....and quote is provided: "... the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.” Ben Franklin
Now...they do point out how exceptional Ben Franklin was....but it's hard to find any errors in that quote.
How does NPR soften the blow to the Liberal perspective?
Next.
The need is to define the term
The Left, Liberals/Democrats use the term as though anyone with a smaller tv screen you do is 'poor.'
Correctly used, it means "no home, no heat, no food."
Based on that, there are virtually no poor in this nation.
RWNJ
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WOW! Where is all that money going?No doubt a civilian federal government job has zero bang for the buck to the public... but they keep on hiring. As they have always said of a civilian federal government job - you never have to work for money its given to you, and no chance of getting fired for not working for life and Having a Conscience is strongly discouraged... lol5. According to his autobiography, Ben Franklin gives himself total credit for his success, and as for any who helped him, or on whom he depended, he erases them from the picture. And that becomes the 'lyric' or the American poverty myth.
You can hear the same in Barack Obama dumping on that view, here: “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
If you stand behind that view, well,
either you believe it aids those not successful to tear down the accomplishments of those who have achieved upward mobility...
....or you have the need to claim that the bigger government is, the better it is for all Americans.
Sort of like this: Every liberal gets up in the morning saying "The answer is bigger government. Now....what is your question."
6. Let's take a quick look at the folks who did build that successful business...and why they deserve all the credit, and a better shake from their President:
Entrepreneurs of all types rate their well-being higher than any other professional group in America.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/the-self-employed-are-the-happiest/
Think it’s because they’re making beaucoup bucks? Wrong. Small business owners make 19% less than government managers.
http://www.cbsalary.com/calculators/
Comparing Federal and Private Sector Compensation
http://www.aei.org/papers/economics/fiscal-policy/labor/comparing-federal-and-private
sector-compensation/
“WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Nearly half of self-employed Americans (49%) report working
more than 44 hours in a typical work week, compared to 39% of American workers overall
38% in government and in private business, …”
Self-Employed Workers Clock the Most Hours Each Week
The average small-business owner earns $44,576 per year.
http://www.cbsalary.com/national-salary chart.aspx?specialty=Small+Business+Owner&cty=&sid=&kw=Business+Development&jn=jn037&edu=&tid=105988
How'd that happen, NPR????
Liberalism gave them their success?????
Hardly.
It all shows on the bottom line the federal government is always in the red…
You've got a point there, Rustic...
The government sort of admitted it here: The fake Department of Education, formed by Carter to get the votes of the NEA
Department of Education is, of course, unconstitutional. The Constitution clearly states that powers not granted to the federal government belong to the states. So where is the impetus for its creation? Unions. The National Education Association (NEA) “In 1972, the massive union formed a political action committee…released ‘Needed: A Cabinet Department of Education’ in 1975, but its most significant step was to endorse a presidential candidate- Jimmy Carter- for the first time in the history of the organization.”
D.T. Stallngs, “A Brief History of the Department of Education: 1979-2002,” p. 3.
When formed, its budget was $13.1 billion (in 2007 dollars) and it employed 450 people. In 2010, the estimated budget is $107 billion, and there are 4,800 employees.
http://crunchycon.nationalreview.co...-department-education-not-radical/mona-charen
Now...get this:
“In November 1995, when the federal government shut down over a budget crisis, 89.4 percent of the department’s employees were deemed ‘nonessential’ and sent home.”
Beck and Balfe, “Broke,” p.304
Rustic
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Then I'm guessing you have never visited a homeless shelter in a major city. In Las Vegas, there were thousands of them, waiting in the chow line. waiting for a chance to get out of the cold. There were never enough beds. Between 2.3 and 3.5 million people are homeless in America . Those are 2008 figures. It's undoubtedly worse today. I would hardly call that an insignificant number. And it's much worse in other countries.Jesus told us that the poor would always be with us. Looks like He was right. There is no cure.1. In this thread, an exemplar of the indoctrination that is central to the ascendancy of 'Liberalism, Incorporated.'
Why in 'Politics'? For this For this reason....every political endeavor in our society recognizes, and attempts to confront, poverty.
Some actually desire ending it.
The defining characteristic that divides conservatism and Modern Liberalism is the role played by government in attempting to end poverty.
Two quotes which set the stage:
a. The nine most terrifying words in the English language are "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan
b. "You do not take a man who for years has been hobbled by chains, liberate him, bring him to the starting line of a race, saying, "you are free to compete with all the others," and still justly believe you have been completely fair... This is the next and more profound stage of the battle for civil rights. We seek not just freedom but opportunity—not just legal equity but human ability—not just equality as a right and a theory, but equality as a fact and as a result. "LBJ in the Commencement Address at Howard University on June 4, 1965 on affirmative action
Of course, the difference between the two views is stark...but I contend that a look at the results of the two views makes it impossible not to see the former as the correct one.
2. The impetus for this thread is a new series on NPR radio, "Busted: America's Poverty Myths." Based on the perspective one has come to expect from NPR, and the fact that it dines at the government trough, one would expect a one-sided support for the Liberal perspective.
Nay, nay! An excellent, professional job....sloped toward the Left, but, still, quite even-handed. Listen here: Busted: America's Poverty Myths | WNYC
3. NPR gets right to it; "The upward mobility myth....where everyone has an equal chance to surmount any obstacle..." Well...they may label it a 'myth'...because they have slanted the language to prove their contention. Only a fool expects the CEO position to be given out randomly, sort of like the Dalai Lama position is.
In fact, upward mobility is a attainable.... for all... if one places the goal within a real-world framework that includes hard work, the proper discipline in the choices one makes, and rational expectations. That means, do the right things.
4. The show starts by....'blaming' Ben Franklin for the 'myth.'
I said 'even-handed'....and quote is provided: "... the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.” Ben Franklin
Now...they do point out how exceptional Ben Franklin was....but it's hard to find any errors in that quote.
How does NPR soften the blow to the Liberal perspective?
Next.
The need is to define the term
The Left, Liberals/Democrats use the term as though anyone with a smaller tv screen you do is 'poor.'
Correctly used, it means "no home, no heat, no food."
Based on that, there are virtually no poor in this nation.
Homeless in Las Vegas... The vast majority of them have themselves to blame on that one. I don't think it even gets cold there. Lol
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Then I'm guessing you have never visited a homeless shelter in a major city. In Las Vegas, there were thousands of them, waiting in the chow line. waiting for a chance to get out of the cold. There were never enough beds. Between 2.3 and 3.5 million people are homeless in America . Those are 2008 figures. It's undoubtedly worse today. I would hardly call that an insignificant number. And it's much worse in other countries.Jesus told us that the poor would always be with us. Looks like He was right. There is no cure.1. In this thread, an exemplar of the indoctrination that is central to the ascendancy of 'Liberalism, Incorporated.'
Why in 'Politics'? For this For this reason....every political endeavor in our society recognizes, and attempts to confront, poverty.
Some actually desire ending it.
The defining characteristic that divides conservatism and Modern Liberalism is the role played by government in attempting to end poverty.
Two quotes which set the stage:
a. The nine most terrifying words in the English language are "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan
b. "You do not take a man who for years has been hobbled by chains, liberate him, bring him to the starting line of a race, saying, "you are free to compete with all the others," and still justly believe you have been completely fair... This is the next and more profound stage of the battle for civil rights. We seek not just freedom but opportunity—not just legal equity but human ability—not just equality as a right and a theory, but equality as a fact and as a result. "LBJ in the Commencement Address at Howard University on June 4, 1965 on affirmative action
Of course, the difference between the two views is stark...but I contend that a look at the results of the two views makes it impossible not to see the former as the correct one.
2. The impetus for this thread is a new series on NPR radio, "Busted: America's Poverty Myths." Based on the perspective one has come to expect from NPR, and the fact that it dines at the government trough, one would expect a one-sided support for the Liberal perspective.
Nay, nay! An excellent, professional job....sloped toward the Left, but, still, quite even-handed. Listen here: Busted: America's Poverty Myths | WNYC
3. NPR gets right to it; "The upward mobility myth....where everyone has an equal chance to surmount any obstacle..." Well...they may label it a 'myth'...because they have slanted the language to prove their contention. Only a fool expects the CEO position to be given out randomly, sort of like the Dalai Lama position is.
In fact, upward mobility is a attainable.... for all... if one places the goal within a real-world framework that includes hard work, the proper discipline in the choices one makes, and rational expectations. That means, do the right things.
4. The show starts by....'blaming' Ben Franklin for the 'myth.'
I said 'even-handed'....and quote is provided: "... the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.” Ben Franklin
Now...they do point out how exceptional Ben Franklin was....but it's hard to find any errors in that quote.
How does NPR soften the blow to the Liberal perspective?
Next.
The need is to define the term
The Left, Liberals/Democrats use the term as though anyone with a smaller tv screen you do is 'poor.'
Correctly used, it means "no home, no heat, no food."
Based on that, there are virtually no poor in this nation.
How about you do the math, and notice how you've been swindled.
The nation has spent $22 trillion on the behalf of the imaginary 'poor.'
As per your example, that would be over $7 million per 'homeless person' by your figures.
BTW.....Reuters puts the figure at about a half million.
More than 500,000 people homeless in the United States: report
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WOW! Where is all that money going?No doubt a civilian federal government job has zero bang for the buck to the public... but they keep on hiring. As they have always said of a civilian federal government job - you never have to work for money its given to you, and no chance of getting fired for not working for life and Having a Conscience is strongly discouraged... lol5. According to his autobiography, Ben Franklin gives himself total credit for his success, and as for any who helped him, or on whom he depended, he erases them from the picture. And that becomes the 'lyric' or the American poverty myth.
You can hear the same in Barack Obama dumping on that view, here: “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
If you stand behind that view, well,
either you believe it aids those not successful to tear down the accomplishments of those who have achieved upward mobility...
....or you have the need to claim that the bigger government is, the better it is for all Americans.
Sort of like this: Every liberal gets up in the morning saying "The answer is bigger government. Now....what is your question."
6. Let's take a quick look at the folks who did build that successful business...and why they deserve all the credit, and a better shake from their President:
Entrepreneurs of all types rate their well-being higher than any other professional group in America.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/the-self-employed-are-the-happiest/
Think it’s because they’re making beaucoup bucks? Wrong. Small business owners make 19% less than government managers.
http://www.cbsalary.com/calculators/
Comparing Federal and Private Sector Compensation
http://www.aei.org/papers/economics/fiscal-policy/labor/comparing-federal-and-private
sector-compensation/
“WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Nearly half of self-employed Americans (49%) report working
more than 44 hours in a typical work week, compared to 39% of American workers overall
38% in government and in private business, …”
Self-Employed Workers Clock the Most Hours Each Week
The average small-business owner earns $44,576 per year.
http://www.cbsalary.com/national-salary chart.aspx?specialty=Small+Business+Owner&cty=&sid=&kw=Business+Development&jn=jn037&edu=&tid=105988
How'd that happen, NPR????
Liberalism gave them their success?????
Hardly.
It all shows on the bottom line the federal government is always in the red…
You've got a point there, Rustic...
The government sort of admitted it here: The fake Department of Education, formed by Carter to get the votes of the NEA
Department of Education is, of course, unconstitutional. The Constitution clearly states that powers not granted to the federal government belong to the states. So where is the impetus for its creation? Unions. The National Education Association (NEA) “In 1972, the massive union formed a political action committee…released ‘Needed: A Cabinet Department of Education’ in 1975, but its most significant step was to endorse a presidential candidate- Jimmy Carter- for the first time in the history of the organization.”
D.T. Stallngs, “A Brief History of the Department of Education: 1979-2002,” p. 3.
When formed, its budget was $13.1 billion (in 2007 dollars) and it employed 450 people. In 2010, the estimated budget is $107 billion, and there are 4,800 employees.
http://crunchycon.nationalreview.co...-department-education-not-radical/mona-charen
Now...get this:
“In November 1995, when the federal government shut down over a budget crisis, 89.4 percent of the department’s employees were deemed ‘nonessential’ and sent home.”
Beck and Balfe, “Broke,” p.304
Thinking isn't your strong suit, is it.
The post you've linked to proves that it is wasted.
Sooo.....you're a reliable Democrat voter?
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Then I'm guessing you have never visited a homeless shelter in a major city. In Las Vegas, there were thousands of them, waiting in the chow line. waiting for a chance to get out of the cold. There were never enough beds. Between 2.3 and 3.5 million people are homeless in America . Those are 2008 figures. It's undoubtedly worse today. I would hardly call that an insignificant number. And it's much worse in other countries.Jesus told us that the poor would always be with us. Looks like He was right. There is no cure.1. In this thread, an exemplar of the indoctrination that is central to the ascendancy of 'Liberalism, Incorporated.'
Why in 'Politics'? For this For this reason....every political endeavor in our society recognizes, and attempts to confront, poverty.
Some actually desire ending it.
The defining characteristic that divides conservatism and Modern Liberalism is the role played by government in attempting to end poverty.
Two quotes which set the stage:
a. The nine most terrifying words in the English language are "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan
b. "You do not take a man who for years has been hobbled by chains, liberate him, bring him to the starting line of a race, saying, "you are free to compete with all the others," and still justly believe you have been completely fair... This is the next and more profound stage of the battle for civil rights. We seek not just freedom but opportunity—not just legal equity but human ability—not just equality as a right and a theory, but equality as a fact and as a result. "LBJ in the Commencement Address at Howard University on June 4, 1965 on affirmative action
Of course, the difference between the two views is stark...but I contend that a look at the results of the two views makes it impossible not to see the former as the correct one.
2. The impetus for this thread is a new series on NPR radio, "Busted: America's Poverty Myths." Based on the perspective one has come to expect from NPR, and the fact that it dines at the government trough, one would expect a one-sided support for the Liberal perspective.
Nay, nay! An excellent, professional job....sloped toward the Left, but, still, quite even-handed. Listen here: Busted: America's Poverty Myths | WNYC
3. NPR gets right to it; "The upward mobility myth....where everyone has an equal chance to surmount any obstacle..." Well...they may label it a 'myth'...because they have slanted the language to prove their contention. Only a fool expects the CEO position to be given out randomly, sort of like the Dalai Lama position is.
In fact, upward mobility is a attainable.... for all... if one places the goal within a real-world framework that includes hard work, the proper discipline in the choices one makes, and rational expectations. That means, do the right things.
4. The show starts by....'blaming' Ben Franklin for the 'myth.'
I said 'even-handed'....and quote is provided: "... the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.” Ben Franklin
Now...they do point out how exceptional Ben Franklin was....but it's hard to find any errors in that quote.
How does NPR soften the blow to the Liberal perspective?
Next.
The need is to define the term
The Left, Liberals/Democrats use the term as though anyone with a smaller tv screen you do is 'poor.'
Correctly used, it means "no home, no heat, no food."
Based on that, there are virtually no poor in this nation.
Homeless in Las Vegas... The vast majority of them have themselves to blame on that one. I don't think it even gets cold there. Lol
There are plenty of malleable dunces who can't learn from Benjamin Franklin:
"... the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”
RWNJ
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It's a desert. Yeah, it gets real cold. Nevada is a land of extremes. Extreme heat. Extreme cold. It's not uncommon for the temperature to drop into the teens during the winter. And if you are implying that it's their fault for gambling, you would be mistaken. Do a little research on the causes of homeless.Then I'm guessing you have never visited a homeless shelter in a major city. In Las Vegas, there were thousands of them, waiting in the chow line. waiting for a chance to get out of the cold. There were never enough beds. Between 2.3 and 3.5 million people are homeless in America . Those are 2008 figures. It's undoubtedly worse today. I would hardly call that an insignificant number. And it's much worse in other countries.Jesus told us that the poor would always be with us. Looks like He was right. There is no cure.1. In this thread, an exemplar of the indoctrination that is central to the ascendancy of 'Liberalism, Incorporated.'
Why in 'Politics'? For this For this reason....every political endeavor in our society recognizes, and attempts to confront, poverty.
Some actually desire ending it.
The defining characteristic that divides conservatism and Modern Liberalism is the role played by government in attempting to end poverty.
Two quotes which set the stage:
a. The nine most terrifying words in the English language are "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan
b. "You do not take a man who for years has been hobbled by chains, liberate him, bring him to the starting line of a race, saying, "you are free to compete with all the others," and still justly believe you have been completely fair... This is the next and more profound stage of the battle for civil rights. We seek not just freedom but opportunity—not just legal equity but human ability—not just equality as a right and a theory, but equality as a fact and as a result. "LBJ in the Commencement Address at Howard University on June 4, 1965 on affirmative action
Of course, the difference between the two views is stark...but I contend that a look at the results of the two views makes it impossible not to see the former as the correct one.
2. The impetus for this thread is a new series on NPR radio, "Busted: America's Poverty Myths." Based on the perspective one has come to expect from NPR, and the fact that it dines at the government trough, one would expect a one-sided support for the Liberal perspective.
Nay, nay! An excellent, professional job....sloped toward the Left, but, still, quite even-handed. Listen here: Busted: America's Poverty Myths | WNYC
3. NPR gets right to it; "The upward mobility myth....where everyone has an equal chance to surmount any obstacle..." Well...they may label it a 'myth'...because they have slanted the language to prove their contention. Only a fool expects the CEO position to be given out randomly, sort of like the Dalai Lama position is.
In fact, upward mobility is a attainable.... for all... if one places the goal within a real-world framework that includes hard work, the proper discipline in the choices one makes, and rational expectations. That means, do the right things.
4. The show starts by....'blaming' Ben Franklin for the 'myth.'
I said 'even-handed'....and quote is provided: "... the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.” Ben Franklin
Now...they do point out how exceptional Ben Franklin was....but it's hard to find any errors in that quote.
How does NPR soften the blow to the Liberal perspective?
Next.
The need is to define the term
The Left, Liberals/Democrats use the term as though anyone with a smaller tv screen you do is 'poor.'
Correctly used, it means "no home, no heat, no food."
Based on that, there are virtually no poor in this nation.
Homeless in Las Vegas... The vast majority of them have themselves to blame on that one. I don't think it even gets cold there. Lol
What are the greatest causes of homelessness?
For persons in families, the three most commonly cited causes, according to a2008 U.S. Conference of Mayors study (pdf) are:
- Lack of affordable housing
- Poverty
- Unemployment
- Substance abuse
- Lack of affordable housing
- Mental illness
RWNJ
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What link? I didn't post a link. You must be thinking of someone else? And my comment was sarcasm. I know where the money went, being a good Conservative.WOW! Where is all that money going?No doubt a civilian federal government job has zero bang for the buck to the public... but they keep on hiring. As they have always said of a civilian federal government job - you never have to work for money its given to you, and no chance of getting fired for not working for life and Having a Conscience is strongly discouraged... lol5. According to his autobiography, Ben Franklin gives himself total credit for his success, and as for any who helped him, or on whom he depended, he erases them from the picture. And that becomes the 'lyric' or the American poverty myth.
You can hear the same in Barack Obama dumping on that view, here: “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
If you stand behind that view, well,
either you believe it aids those not successful to tear down the accomplishments of those who have achieved upward mobility...
....or you have the need to claim that the bigger government is, the better it is for all Americans.
Sort of like this: Every liberal gets up in the morning saying "The answer is bigger government. Now....what is your question."
6. Let's take a quick look at the folks who did build that successful business...and why they deserve all the credit, and a better shake from their President:
Entrepreneurs of all types rate their well-being higher than any other professional group in America.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/the-self-employed-are-the-happiest/
Think it’s because they’re making beaucoup bucks? Wrong. Small business owners make 19% less than government managers.
http://www.cbsalary.com/calculators/
Comparing Federal and Private Sector Compensation
http://www.aei.org/papers/economics/fiscal-policy/labor/comparing-federal-and-private
sector-compensation/
“WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Nearly half of self-employed Americans (49%) report working
more than 44 hours in a typical work week, compared to 39% of American workers overall
38% in government and in private business, …”
Self-Employed Workers Clock the Most Hours Each Week
The average small-business owner earns $44,576 per year.
http://www.cbsalary.com/national-salary chart.aspx?specialty=Small+Business+Owner&cty=&sid=&kw=Business+Development&jn=jn037&edu=&tid=105988
How'd that happen, NPR????
Liberalism gave them their success?????
Hardly.
It all shows on the bottom line the federal government is always in the red…
You've got a point there, Rustic...
The government sort of admitted it here: The fake Department of Education, formed by Carter to get the votes of the NEA
Department of Education is, of course, unconstitutional. The Constitution clearly states that powers not granted to the federal government belong to the states. So where is the impetus for its creation? Unions. The National Education Association (NEA) “In 1972, the massive union formed a political action committee…released ‘Needed: A Cabinet Department of Education’ in 1975, but its most significant step was to endorse a presidential candidate- Jimmy Carter- for the first time in the history of the organization.”
D.T. Stallngs, “A Brief History of the Department of Education: 1979-2002,” p. 3.
When formed, its budget was $13.1 billion (in 2007 dollars) and it employed 450 people. In 2010, the estimated budget is $107 billion, and there are 4,800 employees.
http://crunchycon.nationalreview.co...-department-education-not-radical/mona-charen
Now...get this:
“In November 1995, when the federal government shut down over a budget crisis, 89.4 percent of the department’s employees were deemed ‘nonessential’ and sent home.”
Beck and Balfe, “Broke,” p.304
Thinking isn't your strong suit, is it.
The post you've linked to proves that it is wasted.
Sooo.....you're a reliable Democrat voter?
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It's a desert. Yeah, it gets real cold. Nevada is a land of extremes. Extreme heat. Extreme cold. It's not uncommon for the temperature to drop into the teens during the winter. And if you are implying that it's their fault for gambling, you would be mistaken. Do a little research on the causes of homeless.Then I'm guessing you have never visited a homeless shelter in a major city. In Las Vegas, there were thousands of them, waiting in the chow line. waiting for a chance to get out of the cold. There were never enough beds. Between 2.3 and 3.5 million people are homeless in America . Those are 2008 figures. It's undoubtedly worse today. I would hardly call that an insignificant number. And it's much worse in other countries.Jesus told us that the poor would always be with us. Looks like He was right. There is no cure.1. In this thread, an exemplar of the indoctrination that is central to the ascendancy of 'Liberalism, Incorporated.'
Why in 'Politics'? For this For this reason....every political endeavor in our society recognizes, and attempts to confront, poverty.
Some actually desire ending it.
The defining characteristic that divides conservatism and Modern Liberalism is the role played by government in attempting to end poverty.
Two quotes which set the stage:
a. The nine most terrifying words in the English language are "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan
b. "You do not take a man who for years has been hobbled by chains, liberate him, bring him to the starting line of a race, saying, "you are free to compete with all the others," and still justly believe you have been completely fair... This is the next and more profound stage of the battle for civil rights. We seek not just freedom but opportunity—not just legal equity but human ability—not just equality as a right and a theory, but equality as a fact and as a result. "LBJ in the Commencement Address at Howard University on June 4, 1965 on affirmative action
Of course, the difference between the two views is stark...but I contend that a look at the results of the two views makes it impossible not to see the former as the correct one.
2. The impetus for this thread is a new series on NPR radio, "Busted: America's Poverty Myths." Based on the perspective one has come to expect from NPR, and the fact that it dines at the government trough, one would expect a one-sided support for the Liberal perspective.
Nay, nay! An excellent, professional job....sloped toward the Left, but, still, quite even-handed. Listen here: Busted: America's Poverty Myths | WNYC
3. NPR gets right to it; "The upward mobility myth....where everyone has an equal chance to surmount any obstacle..." Well...they may label it a 'myth'...because they have slanted the language to prove their contention. Only a fool expects the CEO position to be given out randomly, sort of like the Dalai Lama position is.
In fact, upward mobility is a attainable.... for all... if one places the goal within a real-world framework that includes hard work, the proper discipline in the choices one makes, and rational expectations. That means, do the right things.
4. The show starts by....'blaming' Ben Franklin for the 'myth.'
I said 'even-handed'....and quote is provided: "... the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.” Ben Franklin
Now...they do point out how exceptional Ben Franklin was....but it's hard to find any errors in that quote.
How does NPR soften the blow to the Liberal perspective?
Next.
The need is to define the term
The Left, Liberals/Democrats use the term as though anyone with a smaller tv screen you do is 'poor.'
Correctly used, it means "no home, no heat, no food."
Based on that, there are virtually no poor in this nation.
Homeless in Las Vegas... The vast majority of them have themselves to blame on that one. I don't think it even gets cold there. Lol
What are the greatest causes of homelessness?
For persons in families, the three most commonly cited causes, according to a2008 U.S. Conference of Mayors study (pdf) are:
For singles, the three most commonly cited causes of homelessness are:
- Lack of affordable housing
- Poverty
- Unemployment
Hmm. I don't see gambling on that list. Do you?
- Substance abuse
- Lack of affordable housing
- Mental illness
Gads, what a dope.
The 'homeless' make up 0.0001562% of the population.
How about you Liberals reach into your pockets and support 'em.....?
Rustic
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Gambling in a Las Vegas casino = Mental illnessIt's a desert. Yeah, it gets real cold. Nevada is a land of extremes. Extreme heat. Extreme cold. It's not uncommon for the temperature to drop into the teens during the winter. And if you are implying that it's their fault for gambling, you would be mistaken. Do a little research on the causes of homeless.Then I'm guessing you have never visited a homeless shelter in a major city. In Las Vegas, there were thousands of them, waiting in the chow line. waiting for a chance to get out of the cold. There were never enough beds. Between 2.3 and 3.5 million people are homeless in America . Those are 2008 figures. It's undoubtedly worse today. I would hardly call that an insignificant number. And it's much worse in other countries.Jesus told us that the poor would always be with us. Looks like He was right. There is no cure.1. In this thread, an exemplar of the indoctrination that is central to the ascendancy of 'Liberalism, Incorporated.'
Why in 'Politics'? For this For this reason....every political endeavor in our society recognizes, and attempts to confront, poverty.
Some actually desire ending it.
The defining characteristic that divides conservatism and Modern Liberalism is the role played by government in attempting to end poverty.
Two quotes which set the stage:
a. The nine most terrifying words in the English language are "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan
b. "You do not take a man who for years has been hobbled by chains, liberate him, bring him to the starting line of a race, saying, "you are free to compete with all the others," and still justly believe you have been completely fair... This is the next and more profound stage of the battle for civil rights. We seek not just freedom but opportunity—not just legal equity but human ability—not just equality as a right and a theory, but equality as a fact and as a result. "LBJ in the Commencement Address at Howard University on June 4, 1965 on affirmative action
Of course, the difference between the two views is stark...but I contend that a look at the results of the two views makes it impossible not to see the former as the correct one.
2. The impetus for this thread is a new series on NPR radio, "Busted: America's Poverty Myths." Based on the perspective one has come to expect from NPR, and the fact that it dines at the government trough, one would expect a one-sided support for the Liberal perspective.
Nay, nay! An excellent, professional job....sloped toward the Left, but, still, quite even-handed. Listen here: Busted: America's Poverty Myths | WNYC
3. NPR gets right to it; "The upward mobility myth....where everyone has an equal chance to surmount any obstacle..." Well...they may label it a 'myth'...because they have slanted the language to prove their contention. Only a fool expects the CEO position to be given out randomly, sort of like the Dalai Lama position is.
In fact, upward mobility is a attainable.... for all... if one places the goal within a real-world framework that includes hard work, the proper discipline in the choices one makes, and rational expectations. That means, do the right things.
4. The show starts by....'blaming' Ben Franklin for the 'myth.'
I said 'even-handed'....and quote is provided: "... the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.” Ben Franklin
Now...they do point out how exceptional Ben Franklin was....but it's hard to find any errors in that quote.
How does NPR soften the blow to the Liberal perspective?
Next.
The need is to define the term
The Left, Liberals/Democrats use the term as though anyone with a smaller tv screen you do is 'poor.'
Correctly used, it means "no home, no heat, no food."
Based on that, there are virtually no poor in this nation.
Homeless in Las Vegas... The vast majority of them have themselves to blame on that one. I don't think it even gets cold there. Lol
What are the greatest causes of homelessness?
For persons in families, the three most commonly cited causes, according to a2008 U.S. Conference of Mayors study (pdf) are:
For singles, the three most commonly cited causes of homelessness are:
- Lack of affordable housing
- Poverty
- Unemployment
Hmm. I don't see gambling on that list. Do you?
- Substance abuse
- Lack of affordable housing
- Mental illness
Rustic
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That would take other peoples money to do that, they are already using other peoples money for themselves. LOLIt's a desert. Yeah, it gets real cold. Nevada is a land of extremes. Extreme heat. Extreme cold. It's not uncommon for the temperature to drop into the teens during the winter. And if you are implying that it's their fault for gambling, you would be mistaken. Do a little research on the causes of homeless.Then I'm guessing you have never visited a homeless shelter in a major city. In Las Vegas, there were thousands of them, waiting in the chow line. waiting for a chance to get out of the cold. There were never enough beds. Between 2.3 and 3.5 million people are homeless in America . Those are 2008 figures. It's undoubtedly worse today. I would hardly call that an insignificant number. And it's much worse in other countries.Jesus told us that the poor would always be with us. Looks like He was right. There is no cure.
The need is to define the term
The Left, Liberals/Democrats use the term as though anyone with a smaller tv screen you do is 'poor.'
Correctly used, it means "no home, no heat, no food."
Based on that, there are virtually no poor in this nation.
Homeless in Las Vegas... The vast majority of them have themselves to blame on that one. I don't think it even gets cold there. Lol
What are the greatest causes of homelessness?
For persons in families, the three most commonly cited causes, according to a2008 U.S. Conference of Mayors study (pdf) are:
For singles, the three most commonly cited causes of homelessness are:
- Lack of affordable housing
- Poverty
- Unemployment
Hmm. I don't see gambling on that list. Do you?
- Substance abuse
- Lack of affordable housing
- Mental illness
Gads, what a dope.
The 'homeless' make up 0.0001562% of the population.
How about you Liberals reach into your pockets and support 'em.....?
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- #78
What link? I didn't post a link. You must be thinking of someone else? And my comment was sarcasm. I know where the money went, being a good Conservative.WOW! Where is all that money going?No doubt a civilian federal government job has zero bang for the buck to the public... but they keep on hiring. As they have always said of a civilian federal government job - you never have to work for money its given to you, and no chance of getting fired for not working for life and Having a Conscience is strongly discouraged... lol5. According to his autobiography, Ben Franklin gives himself total credit for his success, and as for any who helped him, or on whom he depended, he erases them from the picture. And that becomes the 'lyric' or the American poverty myth.
You can hear the same in Barack Obama dumping on that view, here: “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
If you stand behind that view, well,
either you believe it aids those not successful to tear down the accomplishments of those who have achieved upward mobility...
....or you have the need to claim that the bigger government is, the better it is for all Americans.
Sort of like this: Every liberal gets up in the morning saying "The answer is bigger government. Now....what is your question."
6. Let's take a quick look at the folks who did build that successful business...and why they deserve all the credit, and a better shake from their President:
Entrepreneurs of all types rate their well-being higher than any other professional group in America.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/the-self-employed-are-the-happiest/
Think it’s because they’re making beaucoup bucks? Wrong. Small business owners make 19% less than government managers.
http://www.cbsalary.com/calculators/
Comparing Federal and Private Sector Compensation
http://www.aei.org/papers/economics/fiscal-policy/labor/comparing-federal-and-private
sector-compensation/
“WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Nearly half of self-employed Americans (49%) report working
more than 44 hours in a typical work week, compared to 39% of American workers overall
38% in government and in private business, …”
Self-Employed Workers Clock the Most Hours Each Week
The average small-business owner earns $44,576 per year.
http://www.cbsalary.com/national-salary chart.aspx?specialty=Small+Business+Owner&cty=&sid=&kw=Business+Development&jn=jn037&edu=&tid=105988
How'd that happen, NPR????
Liberalism gave them their success?????
Hardly.
It all shows on the bottom line the federal government is always in the red…
You've got a point there, Rustic...
The government sort of admitted it here: The fake Department of Education, formed by Carter to get the votes of the NEA
Department of Education is, of course, unconstitutional. The Constitution clearly states that powers not granted to the federal government belong to the states. So where is the impetus for its creation? Unions. The National Education Association (NEA) “In 1972, the massive union formed a political action committee…released ‘Needed: A Cabinet Department of Education’ in 1975, but its most significant step was to endorse a presidential candidate- Jimmy Carter- for the first time in the history of the organization.”
D.T. Stallngs, “A Brief History of the Department of Education: 1979-2002,” p. 3.
When formed, its budget was $13.1 billion (in 2007 dollars) and it employed 450 people. In 2010, the estimated budget is $107 billion, and there are 4,800 employees.
http://crunchycon.nationalreview.co...-department-education-not-radical/mona-charen
Now...get this:
“In November 1995, when the federal government shut down over a budget crisis, 89.4 percent of the department’s employees were deemed ‘nonessential’ and sent home.”
Beck and Balfe, “Broke,” p.304
Thinking isn't your strong suit, is it.
The post you've linked to proves that it is wasted.
Sooo.....you're a reliable Democrat voter?
You linked to this:
“In November 1995, when the federal government shut down over a budget crisis, 89.4 percent of the department’s employees were deemed ‘nonessential’ and sent home.”
Beck and Balfe, “Broke,” p.304
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Then I'm guessing you have never visited a homeless shelter in a major city. In Las Vegas, there were thousands of them, waiting in the chow line. waiting for a chance to get out of the cold. There were never enough beds. Between 2.3 and 3.5 million people are homeless in America . Those are 2008 figures. It's undoubtedly worse today. I would hardly call that an insignificant number. And it's much worse in other countries.Jesus told us that the poor would always be with us. Looks like He was right. There is no cure.1. In this thread, an exemplar of the indoctrination that is central to the ascendancy of 'Liberalism, Incorporated.'
Why in 'Politics'? For this For this reason....every political endeavor in our society recognizes, and attempts to confront, poverty.
Some actually desire ending it.
The defining characteristic that divides conservatism and Modern Liberalism is the role played by government in attempting to end poverty.
Two quotes which set the stage:
a. The nine most terrifying words in the English language are "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan
b. "You do not take a man who for years has been hobbled by chains, liberate him, bring him to the starting line of a race, saying, "you are free to compete with all the others," and still justly believe you have been completely fair... This is the next and more profound stage of the battle for civil rights. We seek not just freedom but opportunity—not just legal equity but human ability—not just equality as a right and a theory, but equality as a fact and as a result. "LBJ in the Commencement Address at Howard University on June 4, 1965 on affirmative action
Of course, the difference between the two views is stark...but I contend that a look at the results of the two views makes it impossible not to see the former as the correct one.
2. The impetus for this thread is a new series on NPR radio, "Busted: America's Poverty Myths." Based on the perspective one has come to expect from NPR, and the fact that it dines at the government trough, one would expect a one-sided support for the Liberal perspective.
Nay, nay! An excellent, professional job....sloped toward the Left, but, still, quite even-handed. Listen here: Busted: America's Poverty Myths | WNYC
3. NPR gets right to it; "The upward mobility myth....where everyone has an equal chance to surmount any obstacle..." Well...they may label it a 'myth'...because they have slanted the language to prove their contention. Only a fool expects the CEO position to be given out randomly, sort of like the Dalai Lama position is.
In fact, upward mobility is a attainable.... for all... if one places the goal within a real-world framework that includes hard work, the proper discipline in the choices one makes, and rational expectations. That means, do the right things.
4. The show starts by....'blaming' Ben Franklin for the 'myth.'
I said 'even-handed'....and quote is provided: "... the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.” Ben Franklin
Now...they do point out how exceptional Ben Franklin was....but it's hard to find any errors in that quote.
How does NPR soften the blow to the Liberal perspective?
Next.
The need is to define the term
The Left, Liberals/Democrats use the term as though anyone with a smaller tv screen you do is 'poor.'
Correctly used, it means "no home, no heat, no food."
Based on that, there are virtually no poor in this nation.
Homeless in Las Vegas... The vast majority of them have themselves to blame on that one. I don't think it even gets cold there. Lol
There are plenty of malleable dunces who can't learn from Benjamin Franklin:
"... the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”
That is one source. Check this out. It contains some pretty interesting information, from multiple sources.Then I'm guessing you have never visited a homeless shelter in a major city. In Las Vegas, there were thousands of them, waiting in the chow line. waiting for a chance to get out of the cold. There were never enough beds. Between 2.3 and 3.5 million people are homeless in America . Those are 2008 figures. It's undoubtedly worse today. I would hardly call that an insignificant number. And it's much worse in other countries.Jesus told us that the poor would always be with us. Looks like He was right. There is no cure.1. In this thread, an exemplar of the indoctrination that is central to the ascendancy of 'Liberalism, Incorporated.'
Why in 'Politics'? For this For this reason....every political endeavor in our society recognizes, and attempts to confront, poverty.
Some actually desire ending it.
The defining characteristic that divides conservatism and Modern Liberalism is the role played by government in attempting to end poverty.
Two quotes which set the stage:
a. The nine most terrifying words in the English language are "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan
b. "You do not take a man who for years has been hobbled by chains, liberate him, bring him to the starting line of a race, saying, "you are free to compete with all the others," and still justly believe you have been completely fair... This is the next and more profound stage of the battle for civil rights. We seek not just freedom but opportunity—not just legal equity but human ability—not just equality as a right and a theory, but equality as a fact and as a result. "LBJ in the Commencement Address at Howard University on June 4, 1965 on affirmative action
Of course, the difference between the two views is stark...but I contend that a look at the results of the two views makes it impossible not to see the former as the correct one.
2. The impetus for this thread is a new series on NPR radio, "Busted: America's Poverty Myths." Based on the perspective one has come to expect from NPR, and the fact that it dines at the government trough, one would expect a one-sided support for the Liberal perspective.
Nay, nay! An excellent, professional job....sloped toward the Left, but, still, quite even-handed. Listen here: Busted: America's Poverty Myths | WNYC
3. NPR gets right to it; "The upward mobility myth....where everyone has an equal chance to surmount any obstacle..." Well...they may label it a 'myth'...because they have slanted the language to prove their contention. Only a fool expects the CEO position to be given out randomly, sort of like the Dalai Lama position is.
In fact, upward mobility is a attainable.... for all... if one places the goal within a real-world framework that includes hard work, the proper discipline in the choices one makes, and rational expectations. That means, do the right things.
4. The show starts by....'blaming' Ben Franklin for the 'myth.'
I said 'even-handed'....and quote is provided: "... the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.” Ben Franklin
Now...they do point out how exceptional Ben Franklin was....but it's hard to find any errors in that quote.
How does NPR soften the blow to the Liberal perspective?
Next.
The need is to define the term
The Left, Liberals/Democrats use the term as though anyone with a smaller tv screen you do is 'poor.'
Correctly used, it means "no home, no heat, no food."
Based on that, there are virtually no poor in this nation.
How about you do the math, and notice how you've been swindled.
The nation has spent $22 trillion on the behalf of the imaginary 'poor.'
As per your example, that would be over $7 million per 'homeless person' by your figures.
BTW.....Reuters puts the figure at about a half million.
More than 500,000 people homeless in the United States: report
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forgot the link Facts and Figures: The Homeless . NOW on PBSThen I'm guessing you have never visited a homeless shelter in a major city. In Las Vegas, there were thousands of them, waiting in the chow line. waiting for a chance to get out of the cold. There were never enough beds. Between 2.3 and 3.5 million people are homeless in America . Those are 2008 figures. It's undoubtedly worse today. I would hardly call that an insignificant number. And it's much worse in other countries.Jesus told us that the poor would always be with us. Looks like He was right. There is no cure.1. In this thread, an exemplar of the indoctrination that is central to the ascendancy of 'Liberalism, Incorporated.'
Why in 'Politics'? For this For this reason....every political endeavor in our society recognizes, and attempts to confront, poverty.
Some actually desire ending it.
The defining characteristic that divides conservatism and Modern Liberalism is the role played by government in attempting to end poverty.
Two quotes which set the stage:
a. The nine most terrifying words in the English language are "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan
b. "You do not take a man who for years has been hobbled by chains, liberate him, bring him to the starting line of a race, saying, "you are free to compete with all the others," and still justly believe you have been completely fair... This is the next and more profound stage of the battle for civil rights. We seek not just freedom but opportunity—not just legal equity but human ability—not just equality as a right and a theory, but equality as a fact and as a result. "LBJ in the Commencement Address at Howard University on June 4, 1965 on affirmative action
Of course, the difference between the two views is stark...but I contend that a look at the results of the two views makes it impossible not to see the former as the correct one.
2. The impetus for this thread is a new series on NPR radio, "Busted: America's Poverty Myths." Based on the perspective one has come to expect from NPR, and the fact that it dines at the government trough, one would expect a one-sided support for the Liberal perspective.
Nay, nay! An excellent, professional job....sloped toward the Left, but, still, quite even-handed. Listen here: Busted: America's Poverty Myths | WNYC
3. NPR gets right to it; "The upward mobility myth....where everyone has an equal chance to surmount any obstacle..." Well...they may label it a 'myth'...because they have slanted the language to prove their contention. Only a fool expects the CEO position to be given out randomly, sort of like the Dalai Lama position is.
In fact, upward mobility is a attainable.... for all... if one places the goal within a real-world framework that includes hard work, the proper discipline in the choices one makes, and rational expectations. That means, do the right things.
4. The show starts by....'blaming' Ben Franklin for the 'myth.'
I said 'even-handed'....and quote is provided: "... the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.” Ben Franklin
Now...they do point out how exceptional Ben Franklin was....but it's hard to find any errors in that quote.
How does NPR soften the blow to the Liberal perspective?
Next.
The need is to define the term
The Left, Liberals/Democrats use the term as though anyone with a smaller tv screen you do is 'poor.'
Correctly used, it means "no home, no heat, no food."
Based on that, there are virtually no poor in this nation.
How about you do the math, and notice how you've been swindled.
The nation has spent $22 trillion on the behalf of the imaginary 'poor.'
As per your example, that would be over $7 million per 'homeless person' by your figures.
BTW.....Reuters puts the figure at about a half million.
More than 500,000 people homeless in the United States: report
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