Giuliani Says Trump Repaid Lawyer For $130,000 Payment To Stormy Daniels

[NotfooledbyW]

longknife, post: 19851828

Trump paid a monthly retainer to Cohen to represent his personal and business interested WITH NONE OF THEM DIRECTED TO THE CAMPAIGN.

Well that could have been believable if Cohen billed for services and billable hours rendered that added up to that kind of money and kept dated files all above board.

Rudy, RUDY ROOOOODY, took that storyline away.


Rudy said on National TV that Cohen was paid a lot of money for doing no work.

My guess is Trumpo and Rudy recently realized Federal Prosecutors know about the payment.

It's better hearing about Trumpo being a liar on Fox News than hearing it on CNN.

Fox watchers don't care how much Trumpo lies. This way they can gloat that Trumpo's lawyer let it out - so it shows Trumpo is honest as Abe.

Nice try.

 

[WEATHER53]

There is no problem there. The time frame of payment is irrelevant. Trump had no legal or moral obligation to disregard Stormy blackmail and allow her statements to become public.

We know it caters to you liberal fantasies of fairness and your delusion that if the info had gotten out then Hillary would have won

Of course he had no legal or moral obligations... what he did have was the desire to win an election. Couldn’t have no stinkin’ porn stars yappin’ about him cheating on his wife with them. Not with an election just weeks away.

Makes sense to me and entirely appropriate. Glad you agree. He did not have to voluntarily vomit on himself either just so Libbies could see it and know about it

Glad we agree that he hushed up a porn star to win an election.

Utter total and complete fly shit in a cattle pasture

WTF?

That’s what I said and then you agreed with me.

Who knows then what explanation you have for hushing up a porn star about an affair just weeks before an election?

The explanation is that it's perfectly legal. Trump, and anyone else on the planet has the full legal and moral right to not let blackmail ruin their efforts
It's called freedom in America, something that sentimentalist liberals want to do away with

 

[Witchit]

Of course he had no legal or moral obligations... what he did have was the desire to win an election. Couldn’t have no stinkin’ porn stars yappin’ about him cheating on his wife with them. Not with an election just weeks away.

Makes sense to me and entirely appropriate. Glad you agree. He did not have to voluntarily vomit on himself either just so Libbies could see it and know about it

Glad we agree that he hushed up a porn star to win an election.

Utter total and complete fly shit in a cattle pasture

WTF?

That’s what I said and then you agreed with me.

Who knows then what explanation you have for hushing up a porn star about an affair just weeks before an election?

The explanation is that it's perfectly legal. Trump, and anyone else on the planet has the full legal and moral right to not let blackmail ruin their efforts
It's called freedom in America, something that sentimentalist liberals want to do away with

I find it fascinating that he lied and lied and lied, and then Rudy told the truth and you're like meh. No big. Who cares, it happens.

The fact that you are absolutely FINE with this latest speed bump says an awful lot about you. Not sure you realize that.

P.S.: It wasn't blackmail. There was an NDA. Cohen broke it. Trump never signed off on it.

Happy National Day of Prayer, by the way.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Of course he had no legal or moral obligations... what he did have was the desire to win an election. Couldn’t have no stinkin’ porn stars yappin’ about him cheating on his wife with them. Not with an election just weeks away.

Makes sense to me and entirely appropriate. Glad you agree. He did not have to voluntarily vomit on himself either just so Libbies could see it and know about it

Glad we agree that he hushed up a porn star to win an election.

Utter total and complete fly shit in a cattle pasture

WTF?

That’s what I said and then you agreed with me.

Who knows then what explanation you have for hushing up a porn star about an affair just weeks before an election?

The explanation is that it's perfectly legal. Trump, and anyone else on the planet has the full legal and moral right to not let blackmail ruin their efforts
It's called freedom in America, something that sentimentalist liberals want to do away with

I read your post and scratched my head. Unspoken is your admission that Trump in an immoral POS. Now..it remains to be seen if Daniels was attempting blackmail..I doubt it..but who knows? I think Trump was just routinely tying up loose ends. The way he often does, with a NDA and some cash. Legal? Quite possibly--but it's pretty sad that the bar for the leader of the free world is so very low.

You call those who look askance at this 'sentimental liberals'---I'm neither..but I do call myself moral and ethical.

You got a laugh out of me with the 'moral right' to pay off a hooker and lie about it--in the furtherance of political ambition.

Perhaps you'd like to expound on that a bit further?

 

[Aba Incieni]

I prayed the Russian collusion machine, running furiously for over a year, would gut Democrats and they would turn to some story about Trump when he was a Democrat himself.

 

[MarcATL]

Trump tweeted to Rudy - "dont mention the 130k payoff"

but he made a typo and it came out

"mention the 130k payoff" -

so he did, and two fools collided head on

SUCKERS

LoLing! Only a damn fool would hire a notorious blabber mouth like Ghoulie-yani and think they're doing something special.

#LOLGOP

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[MarcATL]

Where's the russia collusion connection?

Who is lying...Rudy or trump?

What trump did 12 years ago with some whore is irrelevant. Where is the russia collusion connection?

B!tch, it's not about trumps whoring 12 years ago. it's about his LYING 2 years ago during the campaign...and bribery.

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[Aba Incieni]

Where's the russia collusion connection?

Who is lying...Rudy or trump?

What trump did 12 years ago with some whore is irrelevant. Where is the russia collusion connection?

B!tch, it's not about trumps whoring 12 years ago. it's about his LYING 2 years ago during the campaign...and bribery.

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Not a crime.

Anything else?

 

[MarcATL]

Okay, still awake, people? @chrisgeidner just finished an interview w/Giuliani that includes this: Giuliani says Trump repaid Cohen for the $130K at a rate of $35K a month for a year: $420K! Why? Per Giuliani, to repay the $130K with enough left over for Cohen to profit in 2017.

Elizabeth de la Vega on Twitter




They know their base are morons. Will even the morons buy this?

Yes. The answer is yes, they will.

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[NotfooledbyW]

The explanation is that it's perfectly legal. Trump, and anyone else on the planet has the full legal and moral right to not let blackmail ruin their efforts

If Trumpo really did not have the extra-marital affair with a porn star while his wife was caring for his new born son, it would seem a porn stars credibility would be nonexistent. We know. Trumpo was never above demeaning women. Trumpo's base would never believe her. Some would be impressed with their orange buffoon being s stud.

So why pay? TRUMPO's legal and moral right to stifle blackmail goes better with refusal to pay and cutting her down before running for the highest office in the land, Trumpo advocates for immorality by paying in secretive financial maneuvering through a shady lawyer.

And why was Cohen so negligent to not get Trumpo to sign the NDA if hushing Stormy up was so important?

It's looking most plausible that Trumpo boinked a porn star while his wife nursed a newborn. Let's not feign sympathy for Trumpo, the self confessed pussy grabber's moral right.

 

[JimH52]

Where's the russia collusion connection?

Who is lying...Rudy or trump?

What trump did 12 years ago with some whore is irrelevant. Where is the russia collusion connection?

B!tch, it's not about trumps whoring 12 years ago. it's about his LYING 2 years ago during the campaign...and bribery.

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Not a crime.

Anything else?

MY PRESIDENT IS A SERIAL LIAR AND THAT MAKES ME PROUD AND says the RW nutjobs....

 

[Aba Incieni]

Where's the russia collusion connection?

Who is lying...Rudy or trump?

What trump did 12 years ago with some whore is irrelevant. Where is the russia collusion connection?

B!tch, it's not about trumps whoring 12 years ago. it's about his LYING 2 years ago during the campaign...and bribery.

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Not a crime.

Anything else?

MY PRESIDENT IS A SERIAL LIAR AND THAT MAKES ME PROUD AND says the RW nutjobs....

Hillary lost. Her husband fits the description, though. So does Obama.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Giuliani Says Trump Repaid Lawyer For $130,000 Payment To Stormy Daniels

Lol. Thank you Uncle Rudy!

I thought Trump didn't know about the payment?

Expect Rudy to be fired soon.

Another in the endless stream of Trump lies.

 

[JimH52]

Who is lying...Rudy or trump?

What trump did 12 years ago with some whore is irrelevant. Where is the russia collusion connection?

B!tch, it's not about trumps whoring 12 years ago. it's about his LYING 2 years ago during the campaign...and bribery.

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Not a crime.

Anything else?

MY PRESIDENT IS A SERIAL LIAR AND THAT MAKES ME PROUD AND says the RW nutjobs....

Hillary lost. Her husband fits the description, though. So does Obama.

Mueller is in the trail of your orange king....be very afraid....

 

[Aba Incieni]

What trump did 12 years ago with some whore is irrelevant. Where is the russia collusion connection?

B!tch, it's not about trumps whoring 12 years ago. it's about his LYING 2 years ago during the campaign...and bribery.

Sent from my SM-J710F using Tapatalk

Not a crime.

Anything else?

MY PRESIDENT IS A SERIAL LIAR AND THAT MAKES ME PROUD AND says the RW nutjobs....

Hillary lost. Her husband fits the description, though. So does Obama.

Mueller is in the trail of your orange king....be very afraid....

President Pence works for me.

You?

 

[Synthaholic]

Donnie 'Two Scoops'

 

[Synthaholic]

'An MO For Other More Serious Crimes'


I know everyone has a take on this Rudy/Cohen shit-show, but I thought I would give you some perspective from someone steeped in anti-corruption enforcement (both domestic and foreign) on the prosecution and defense side.

As we already know, Michael Cohen is the prototypical fixer or bagman. In Mexico, as discussed in glorious detail in this NY Times expose on Wal-Mart’s massive corruption scandal in Mexico , a lawyer-fixer like Cohen would be known as a “gestore.” The bagman’s job is to get bribe money to people while insulating and giving deniability to the ultimate payor of the bribe. Having a dirty lawyer as a bagman provides a number of advantages.

First, bribe money can be laundered from the “client” through the lawyer as fictitious legal services. The lawyer can issue bogus invoices to the client in amounts sufficient to cover bribe payments, a commission to the lawyer, and a gross-up for any taxes the lawyer would have to pay on the fee income (bagmen, after all, don’t want to be stuck paying taxes on amounts they pay out as bribes). Sound familiar?

Second, by disguising the bribes as payments for legal fees, businesses can try to write them off as expenses (bribes are not deductible). This is tax evasion, of course, but it is common practice for the corrupt. Third, the lawyer-client relationship can be an impediment to law enforcement. It can be very difficult for prosecutors to pierce what appears on the surface to be a legitimate attorney-client relationship.

So now we have Giuliani confirming that this is exactly how Trump and Cohen operated. Hush money to Stormy Daniels is one thing and certainly raises potential serious campaign finance violations, but she is not a public official. What I find most significant about Rudy’s admission is what it says about the nature of the relationship between Trump and Cohen and how it suggests an M.O. for other more serious crimes.

Trump is a major real estate developer in NY who has openly bragged about his ability to cut through red tape and get politicians in his pocket. We now have serious SDNY public corruption prosecutors and FBI agents in possession of a massive amount of electronic data from his bagman. They likely already have all of his financial records as well. And Rudy has now given them the roadmap for how Trump may have laundered bribes through Cohen as purported legal fees or retainer payments. Every invoice Cohen has ever issued to Trump is suspect. Every corrupt payment Cohen has ever made or facilitated to building inspectors, councilmen, pornstars, or whomever can potentially be tied back to Trump. In addition, I suspect Trump and his kids had a false sense of comfort that their communications with Cohen would be privileged. I am convinced this is why Trump and his family are freaking out about the Cohen raid and the possibility he could flip. The SDNY is sitting on the mother lode of evidence and Rudy has given them the connection between purported legal fees and payments by Cohen to third parties.

 

[Aba Incieni]

'An MO For Other More Serious Crimes'


I know everyone has a take on this Rudy/Cohen shit-show, but I thought I would give you some perspective from someone steeped in anti-corruption enforcement (both domestic and foreign) on the prosecution and defense side.

As we already know, Michael Cohen is the prototypical fixer or bagman. In Mexico, as discussed in glorious detail in this NY Times expose on Wal-Mart’s massive corruption scandal in Mexico , a lawyer-fixer like Cohen would be known as a “gestore.” The bagman’s job is to get bribe money to people while insulating and giving deniability to the ultimate payor of the bribe. Having a dirty lawyer as a bagman provides a number of advantages.

First, bribe money can be laundered from the “client” through the lawyer as fictitious legal services. The lawyer can issue bogus invoices to the client in amounts sufficient to cover bribe payments, a commission to the lawyer, and a gross-up for any taxes the lawyer would have to pay on the fee income (bagmen, after all, don’t want to be stuck paying taxes on amounts they pay out as bribes). Sound familiar?

Second, by disguising the bribes as payments for legal fees, businesses can try to write them off as expenses (bribes are not deductible). This is tax evasion, of course, but it is common practice for the corrupt. Third, the lawyer-client relationship can be an impediment to law enforcement. It can be very difficult for prosecutors to pierce what appears on the surface to be a legitimate attorney-client relationship.

So now we have Giuliani confirming that this is exactly how Trump and Cohen operated. Hush money to Stormy Daniels is one thing and certainly raises potential serious campaign finance violations, but she is not a public official. What I find most significant about Rudy’s admission is what it says about the nature of the relationship between Trump and Cohen and how it suggests an M.O. for other more serious crimes.

Trump is a major real estate developer in NY who has openly bragged about his ability to cut through red tape and get politicians in his pocket. We now have serious SDNY public corruption prosecutors and FBI agents in possession of a massive amount of electronic data from his bagman. They likely already have all of his financial records as well. And Rudy has now given them the roadmap for how Trump may have laundered bribes through Cohen as purported legal fees or retainer payments. Every invoice Cohen has ever issued to Trump is suspect. Every corrupt payment Cohen has ever made or facilitated to building inspectors, councilmen, pornstars, or whomever can potentially be tied back to Trump. In addition, I suspect Trump and his kids had a false sense of comfort that their communications with Cohen would be privileged. I am convinced this is why Trump and his family are freaking out about the Cohen raid and the possibility he could flip. The SDNY is sitting on the mother lode of evidence and Rudy has given them the connection between purported legal fees and payments by Cohen to third parties.

How does President Pence sound to you?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Meanwhile Democrats are obsessing over a hooker, Trump has achieved 3%+ economic growth for some time n ow, and anything under that seems like weakness in the economy, the Norks are dismantling the nuke program, and ICE is deporting tens of thousands of criminal douchebacks each month.

 

[Faun]

Of course he had no legal or moral obligations... what he did have was the desire to win an election. Couldn’t have no stinkin’ porn stars yappin’ about him cheating on his wife with them. Not with an election just weeks away.

Makes sense to me and entirely appropriate. Glad you agree. He did not have to voluntarily vomit on himself either just so Libbies could see it and know about it

Glad we agree that he hushed up a porn star to win an election.

Utter total and complete fly shit in a cattle pasture

WTF?

That’s what I said and then you agreed with me.

Who knows then what explanation you have for hushing up a porn star about an affair just weeks before an election?

The explanation is that it's perfectly legal. Trump, and anyone else on the planet has the full legal and moral right to not let blackmail ruin their efforts
It's called freedom in America, something that sentimentalist liberals want to do away with

That's not the only explanation. The other explanation is that Trump's payments represent an in-kind contribution which went unreported. That is not legal.