Gosnell... Abortion Atrocities

[TemplarKormac]

You can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.

Frankly, I can think of people who need to be prosecuted a lot more seriously than Gosnell providing medical services that women wanted him to peform.

Why aren't we indicting the mothers of those fetuses for murder? Why doesn't he have four co-conspirators up there with him?

Because you'd have a riot if you did.

You're desperate, Joe. You are being overwhelmed with information you cannot counter. Admit it, you don't care about the health of the mother nor the child. Abortion should be given by anyone at any cost, so long as they get it.

People like you make me physically ill.

Nice attempt to distract.

Gosnell is what abortion looks like in a place like the Philippines where Religious Assholes like you get their way.

The best course would be government paid for abortions freely available in the first trimester in a clean, govenrment run clinic.

But the thing is,you guys are all for making a big deal out of Gosnell because it lets you show Fetus Porn pictures and try to paint all abortion with that broad brush.

Gosnell is a quack. But you know what, because we don't have universal health coverage, poor people have to deal with quacks all the time.

I don't see you getting upset about the dentist who gave three of his patients AIDS because he ran a dirty clinic.

Oh just grow a pair, Joe. Dentists are irrelevant. Stop trying to justify his behavior. You are a sick individual.

 

[TemplarKormac]

And as if you didn't want to see any more:

Kermit Gosnell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again, Gosnell is the result of the kind of world you religious whacks want.

If we had medicare in PA paying for abortions and clinics available to poor people, he wouldn't have existed.

Thing is, there were. Taking life is expensive you know, for a reason.

On the other hand, how could they not afford these?

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&biw=1...qf.&bvm=bv.45921128,d.eWU&fp=a1053594b2a81dec

 

[JoeB131]

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I don't see you getting upset about the dentist who gave three of his patients AIDS because he ran a dirty clinic.

Oh just grow a pair, Joe. Dentists are irrelevant. Stop trying to justify his behavior. You are a sick individual.

It's completely relevent, guy.

No one justified his behavior.

Pointing out that you are trying to bootstrap your religious agenda onto a case of negligent homicide is not "justifying". It's just pointing out your agenda.

96,000 Americans are killed every year by incompetent doctors.

If Gosnell had been competent, these fetuses would be just as dead.

If these women had access to a competent doctor, at a clinic early in their pregnancies, these fetuses would be just as dead.

This is about you guys and your whacky religious agenda, not about the quality of care poor people get.

Because frankly, you've opposed poor people getting good medical care at every oppurtunity.

 

[JoeB131]

And as if you didn't want to see any more:

Kermit Gosnell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again, Gosnell is the result of the kind of world you religious whacks want.

If we had medicare in PA paying for abortions and clinics available to poor people, he wouldn't have existed.

Thing is, there were. Taking life is expensive you know, for a reason.

On the other hand, how could they not afford these?

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An "affordable" first trimester abortion still costs about $300.00. If you are below the poverty line, that's still hard to come by.

Ending pregnancies should be a lot cheaper.

But who opposed getting RU-486 on the market?
Who sponsored the Hyde Amendment to keep MedicAid from paying for abortions.

That would be you guys.

You gu ys created Gosnell and people like him. Own him.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Again, Gosnell is the result of the kind of world you religious whacks want.

If we had medicare in PA paying for abortions and clinics available to poor people, he wouldn't have existed.

Thing is, there were. Taking life is expensive you know, for a reason.

On the other hand, how could they not afford these?

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An "affordable" first trimester abortion still costs about $300.00. If you are below the poverty line, that's still hard to come by.

Ending pregnancies should be a lot cheaper.

But who opposed getting RU-486 on the market?
Who sponsored the Hyde Amendment to keep MedicAid from paying for abortions.

That would be you guys.

You gu ys created Gosnell and people like him. Own him.

Uhh. No. We didn't do a damned thing. Gosnell is neither yours, nor mine. He is a demon. He killed his patients and alive children. For you to politicize this issue is beyond disgusting.

 

[TemplarKormac]

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I don't see you getting upset about the dentist who gave three of his patients AIDS because he ran a dirty clinic.

Oh just grow a pair, Joe. Dentists are irrelevant. Stop trying to justify his behavior. You are a sick individual.

1. It's completely relevent, guy.

2. No one justified his behavior.

3. Pointing out that you are trying to bootstrap your religious agenda onto a case of negligent homicide is not "justifying". It's just pointing out your agenda.

4. 96,000 Americans are killed every year by incompetent doctors.

5. If Gosnell had been competent, these fetuses would be just as dead.

6. If these women had access to a competent doctor, at a clinic early in their pregnancies, these fetuses would be just as dead.

7. This is about you guys and your whacky religious agenda, not about the quality of care poor people get.

8. Because frankly, you've opposed poor people getting good medical care at every oppurtunity.

First, lets break down your absurd post.

1. It's not relevant, pure and simple.

2. You were. Sitting there suggesting that if there were access to a competent doctor, Gosnell wouldn't have happened. That's like saying "if I weren't standing in front of your gun when you fired it, I wouldn't have been shot" fact is I still shot you and I would still need to be punished.

3. I don't have a religious agenda pertaining matters like this. Murder is murder. Politicization is foolish.

4. So? There are 1 million+ abortions per year in America.

5. He was, he had a license. He used his abilities for profit. He ran a racket. Threw the Hippocratic oath in the trash (no pun intended)

6. Hey, if women were apprised of the alternative, there would be no need for people as heinous as Gosnell.

https://www.generess.com/emarketing...n=Savings-Card&utm_term=Generess-savings-card

7. Whats with the class warfare argument? What does it even matter to you? You aren't even a woman!

8. That's a prevaricated lie. How dare you insinuate such? I may not support abortion, but hey, I support responsibility too. You don't want a child? Wear a condom. If you don't wear a condom, get contraceptives. It shouldn't have to get to the point of performing a dangerous procedure on a woman, or killing a human child in the womb.

You are sad, really sad. You must have had something really bad to happen to you in your past to even contend such things. That's the only explanation I can come up with. Your hatred of religion is pervasive, you blood thirst for dead babies is clearly evident. Your partisanship is.. beyond the "neo" nomenclature. Your ideas and beliefs make a neo-liberal look like Mahatma Gandhi.

 

[BlueGin]

Oh just grow a pair, Joe. Dentists are irrelevant. Stop trying to justify his behavior. You are a sick individual.

1. It's completely relevent, guy.

2. No one justified his behavior.

3. Pointing out that you are trying to bootstrap your religious agenda onto a case of negligent homicide is not "justifying". It's just pointing out your agenda.

4. 96,000 Americans are killed every year by incompetent doctors.

5. If Gosnell had been competent, these fetuses would be just as dead.

6. If these women had access to a competent doctor, at a clinic early in their pregnancies, these fetuses would be just as dead.

7. This is about you guys and your whacky religious agenda, not about the quality of care poor people get.

8. Because frankly, you've opposed poor people getting good medical care at every oppurtunity.

First, lets break down your absurd post.

1. It's not relevant, pure and simple.

2. You were. Sitting there suggesting that if there were access to a competent doctor, Gosnell wouldn't have happened. That's like saying "if I weren't standing in front of your gun when you fired it, I wouldn't have been shot" fact is I still shot you and I would still need to be punished.

3. I don't have a religious agenda pertaining matters like this. Murder is murder. Politicization is foolish.

4. So? There are 1 million+ abortions per year in America.

5. He was, he had a license. He used his abilities for profit. He ran a racket. Threw the Hippocratic oath in the trash (no pun intended)

6. Hey, if women were apprised of the alternative, there would be no need for people as heinous as Gosnell.

https://www.generess.com/emarketing...n=Savings-Card&utm_term=Generess-savings-card

7. Whats with the class warfare argument? What does it even matter to you? You aren't even a woman!

8. That's a prevaricated lie. How dare you insinuate such? I may not support abortion, but hey, I support responsibility too. You don't want a child? Wear a condom. If you don't wear a condom, get contraceptives. It shouldn't have to get to the point of performing a dangerous procedure on a woman, or killing a human child in the womb.

You are sad, really sad. You must have had something really bad to happen to you in your past to even contend such things. That's the only explanation I can come up with. Your hatred of religion is pervasive, you blood thirst for dead babies is clearly evident. Your partisanship is.. beyond the "neo" nomenclature. Your ideas and beliefs make a neo-liberal look like Mahatma Gandhi.

And to add to number 8. If you don't want any more children after having your personal quota...you can always have your tubes tied before leaving the hospital.

 

[JustSomeGuy]

You can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.

Frankly, I can think of people who need to be prosecuted a lot more seriously than Gosnell providing medical services that women wanted him to peform.

Why aren't we indicting the mothers of those fetuses for murder? Why doesn't he have four co-conspirators up there with him?

Because you'd have a riot if you did.

You're desperate, Joe. You are being overwhelmed with information you cannot counter. Admit it, you don't care about the health of the mother nor the child. Abortion should be given by anyone at any cost, so long as they get it.

People like you make me physically ill.

Nice attempt to distract.

Gosnell is what abortion looks like in a place like the Philippines where Religious Assholes like you get their way.

The best course would be government paid for abortions freely available in the first trimester in a clean, govenrment run clinic.

But the thing is,you guys are all for making a big deal out of Gosnell because it lets you show Fetus Porn pictures and try to paint all abortion with that broad brush.

Gosnell is a quack. But you know what, because we don't have universal health coverage, poor people have to deal with quacks all the time.

I don't see you getting upset about the dentist who gave three of his patients AIDS because he ran a dirty clinic.

Your logic is highly flawed. Abortion is illegal in the Philippines; it's legal in the U.S.

 

[koshergrl]

Are you kidding me? That was the report of the Grand Jury that investigated the case! You're defending a murderer Joe! Can you not read? You're just about as sick as Gosnell is.

You're hopeless.

You can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.

Frankly, I can think of people who need to be prosecuted a lot more seriously than Gosnell providing medical services that women wanted him to peform.

Why aren't we indicting the mothers of those fetuses for murder? Why doesn't he have four co-conspirators up there with him?

Because you'd have a riot if you did.

You're desperate, Joe. You are being overwhelmed with information you cannot counter. Admit it, you don't care about the health of the mother nor the child. Abortion should be given by anyone at any cost, so long as they get it.

People like you make me physically ill.

Me too. And I know the reality behind the rhetoric...men like joe are without value, they have no redeeming qualities aside from whatever physical prowess they have. If they have none, then they are totally worthless. Their lack of concern for the well being of others means typically, they're physically dangerous to be around. They don't mind taking chances with other people's lives, and they have no qualms about hurting others.

 

[Cecilie1200]

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Interesting how you think witness testimony should be confined to a bare, dry recitation of material fact, with no inclusion of emotion allowed. Or, for that matter, how you appear to think that the jury's job is merely collation and deliberation of dry, material fact. One wonders if that alleged opinion would be equally applied to a court case you agreed with.

Assuming that you aren't lying and are merely speaking from a lack of information and thinking-it-through, let me ask you something: Why do you suppose the US - and, indeed, most if not all first-tier nations - is so insistent on "a jury of his peers", if cold, emotionless calculation of material facts and statistics was all that is, or should be, allowed in a trial?

Jury of our Peers is old English concept that Noblemen couldn't be tried by a jury of peasents, which is one of the things the barons were whining about King John's doings in the Magna Carta.

Since there were fetuses falling from the skies, the kind of hyperbole from someone who is only testifying because the feds threatened them with heavier charges should be treated as suspect at best.

What I cannot get past, is the fact you are defending him, Joe. Four of the charges were substantiated by witness testimony. I hope Mr. Gosnell is executed for his heinous actions.

Let me just say that there's a reason why I have this worthless sack of festering dog feces on ignore. Beyond that, I truly believe no other acknowledgement of or response to his posts - or his existence - is necessary.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Jury of our Peers is old English concept that Noblemen couldn't be tried by a jury of peasents, which is one of the things the barons were whining about King John's doings in the Magna Carta.

Since there were fetuses falling from the skies, the kind of hyperbole from someone who is only testifying because the feds threatened them with heavier charges should be treated as suspect at best.

What I cannot get past, is the fact you are defending him, Joe. Four of the charges were substantiated by witness testimony. I hope Mr. Gosnell is executed for his heinous actions.

Let me just say that there's a reason why I have this worthless sack of festering dog feces on ignore. Beyond that, I truly believe no other acknowledgement of or response to his posts - or his existence - is necessary.

Perhaps I should take this into consideration.

 

[April]

And as if you didn't want to see any more:

Kermit Gosnell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again, Gosnell is the result of the kind of world you religious whacks want.

If we had medicare in PA paying for abortions and clinics available to poor people, he wouldn't have existed.

Really? Sooo...only those who are 'religious' want Gosnell and his ilk to stop running abortion mills and sickening late term abortions? Really? So, this isn't about right or wrong?
wow...I must have missed something here...because I am not particularly religious and I would like to see the sick fuck burn along with the others who seem to have no regard for human life.

 

[Ravi]

I just can't wait for the liberal Democrat excuses for this, also, I can't help but wonder just how rampant this is in liberal Democrat controlled districts in America..

Liberal backed abortion clinics are killing off our children..where's Obama now?

--------------------------wow

News outlets fall all over themselves to cover horrific crimes because, frankly, there's a big audience for sensational stories. So naturally, abortion foes have been wondering why the national media -- this newspaper included -- haven't jumped all over the indictment and trial of Dr. Kermit B. Gosnell in Philadelphia.

Gosnell, 72, is being tried on seven counts of murder for the deaths of seven infants at the abortion clinic he ran in West Philadelphia, along with the death of a pregnant woman awaiting an abortion there. A grand jury's report on the clinic paints a sickening picture of craven indifference, describing it as a squalid chamber of horrors where patients were given dangerous anesthetics by unqualified technicians, doctors and nurses used rusty and unsanitized equipment, and the staff's procedures were so crude that some patients left the clinic seriously injured or, in one case, brain dead.

The most serious of the allegations is that Gosnell and his staff -- in the process of performing abortions on women more than 24 weeks pregnant, the legal limit in Pennsylvania -- induced seven women to give birth prematurely to live babies who were then killed by having their spinal cords cut at the neck.

A jury will decide whether Gosnell is guilty of the charges; his lawyers argue that the seven alleged murder victims weren't viable outside the womb because of the lethal drugs used to induce their delivery. The question raised by readers is whether this story got less attention from the national media than it would have if the setting weren't an abortion clinic.

Dr. Kermit Gosnell abortion case: Why no national media spotlight? - latimes.com

Kermit, what a stupid name. That said, killing someone born alive is a crime and if he's guilty he should spend the remainder of his life in prison.

 

[koshergrl]

I find it hard to understand...we have legal abortion...and a variety of professionals were aware of the conditions that Gosnell operated under, but didn't report...

I'm not sure how that translates to "that's how you want all clinics to operate". Looks to me like it's the baby killers who are supporting this mess.

 

[JoeB131]

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Uhh. No. We didn't do a damned thing. Gosnell is neither yours, nor mine. He is a demon. He killed his patients and alive children. For you to politicize this issue is beyond disgusting.

the only ones politicizing this issue are you nuts.

If the discussion was, is he an inept doctor who committed gross malpractice, there wouldn't be an issue.

You clowns want to use him to attack the entire right to choose.

Gosnell is what existed for women before Roe v. Wade. Inept shady back ally abortionists who were out to make a quick buck. He existed because you guys restricted abortion for the poor as much as you could in one state.

 

[JoeB131]

And as if you didn't want to see any more:

Kermit Gosnell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again, Gosnell is the result of the kind of world you religious whacks want.

If we had medicare in PA paying for abortions and clinics available to poor people, he wouldn't have existed.

Really? Sooo...only those who are 'religious' want Gosnell and his ilk to stop running abortion mills and sickening late term abortions? Really? So, this isn't about right or wrong?
wow...I must have missed something here...because I am not particularly religious and I would like to see the sick fuck burn along with the others who seem to have no regard for human life.

Well, I'll agree, you did miss something.

The religious whacks are the ones that passed laws that kept RU-486 off the market for years.

The religous whacks are the ones who prevented Medicaid from paying for abortions. (The Hyde Amdendment, passed by my former congressman, Henry Hypocrite Hyde. )

The religious whacks are the ones who passed ridiculous laws trying to limit when an abortion could be provided in PA. (See Planned Parenthood v. Casey.)

Did they stop abortions from happening at Gosnell's? NOPE.

They just prevented safe ones from occurring.

 

[TemplarKormac]

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Uhh. No. We didn't do a damned thing. Gosnell is neither yours, nor mine. He is a demon. He killed his patients and alive children. For you to politicize this issue is beyond disgusting.

the only ones politicizing this issue are you nuts.

If the discussion was, is he an inept doctor who committed gross malpractice, there wouldn't be an issue.

You clowns want to use him to attack the entire right to choose.

Gosnell is what existed for women before Roe v. Wade. Inept shady back ally abortionists who were out to make a quick buck. He existed because you guys restricted abortion for the poor as much as you could in one state.

You have nothing left to throw at me, sicko. Crawl back into that hole of yours and rethink your definitions of right and wrong. How are we restricting abortion to the poor? They have the same ability to reason as you and I do. If they would make better choices regarding their libido, maybe they would have no need for an abortion. If the condom is not an acceptable means of birth prevention, there are tons of affordable contraceptives out there on the market via prescription. And when I say affordable, I mean as low as 10 bucks.

What you want is to subsidize irresponsibility, and have zero concern for the poor or their safety. You'd rather there not be laws on abortion period, and that there would be more Gosnells out there that would not be bound by something as piddly as the law. That is the worst line of reasoning I have ever heard.

If you think this is because of Republicans, you are sorely mistaken, Joe. You can't just assign Gosnell to one side or the other. You are the most irrational human being I have ever come across.

 

[JoeB131]

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First, lets break down your absurd post.

1. It's not relevant, pure and simple.

2. You were. Sitting there suggesting that if there were access to a competent doctor, Gosnell wouldn't have happened. That's like saying "if I weren't standing in front of your gun when you fired it, I wouldn't have been shot" fact is I still shot you and I would still need to be punished.

3. I don't have a religious agenda pertaining matters like this. Murder is murder. Politicization is foolish.

4. So? There are 1 million+ abortions per year in America.

5. He was, he had a license. He used his abilities for profit. He ran a racket. Threw the Hippocratic oath in the trash (no pun intended)

6. Hey, if women were apprised of the alternative, there would be no need for people as heinous as Gosnell.

7. Whats with the class warfare argument? What does it even matter to you? You aren't even a woman!

8. That's a prevaricated lie. How dare you insinuate such? I may not support abortion, but hey, I support responsibility too. You don't want a child? Wear a condom. If you don't wear a condom, get contraceptives. It shouldn't have to get to the point of performing a dangerous procedure on a woman, or killing a human child in the womb.

You are sad, really sad. You must have had something really bad to happen to you in your past to even contend such things. That's the only explanation I can come up with. Your hatred of religion is pervasive, you blood thirst for dead babies is clearly evident. Your partisanship is.. beyond the "neo" nomenclature. Your ideas and beliefs make a neo-liberal look like Mahatma Gandhi.

Guy, the only thing that happened to me is that rich people screwed me over professionally because you RELIGIOUS WHACKS voted them into power on the hope that they would impose your superstitions on the rest of us. Didn't happen, abortion is still legal, but you fuckwads did allow them to dismantle the middle class.

But to break it down.

1. - 96,000 Americans die EVERY YEAR because their careproviders are incompetant, drunk, lazy, or stupid. And guess what, you guys don't insist they all be prosecuted. In fact, quite the reverse, the plutocrats you guys put into power want to change the law so that those maimed by the boobs can't sue.

2. If these women got free abortions paid for by the state in the first trimester, we wouldn't have an issue. Period. Gosnell is the result of what happens when you guys get your way.

3. Do all those other posts when you post bible verses... yeah, you don't have a religous agenda at all.

4. Yes, there are. And there will be no matter what the law is. There are half a million abortion a year in the Philippines, a country where abortion is ILLEGAL. Women are going to get abortions no matter what the law is. Period.

5. Again- 96,000 Americans die due to medical negligence every year. They all had licenses, too. But they weren't performing procedures that makes Jesus cry, so you don't care about them.

6- This is almost a good point. If women got decent sex education, got decent access to contraception, and got access to easy abortions in the first trimester... you're right, Gosnell never would have happened.

7- The Class Warfare is that the rich women will still get abortions, and the poor will get victimized by the Gosnell's of the world.

8- Spoken like a 40 year old virign. If you aren't getting laid, why should anyone else be enjoying herself. I mean, really, I read a statement like that, and I just have to assume you've never had sex, have never been in that moment.

You are kind of sad because you are the kind of whipped dog that religion produces. It's why Religion has been the friend of every dictator in history.

 

[JoeB131]

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You have nothing left to throw at me, sicko. Crawl back into that hole of yours and rethink your definitions of right and wrong. How are we restricting abortion to the poor? They have the same ability to reason as you and I do. If they would make better choices regarding their libido, maybe they would have no need for an abortion. If the condom is not an acceptable means of birth prevention, there are tons of affordable contraceptives out there on the market via prescription. And when I say affordable, I mean as low as 10 bucks.

What you want is to subsidize irresponsibility, and have zero concern for the poor or their safety. You'd rather there not be laws on abortion period, and that there would be more Gosnells out there that would not be bound by something as piddly as the law. That is the worst line of reasoning I have ever heard.

If you think this is because of Republicans, you are sorely mistaken, Joe. You can't just assign Gosnell to one side or the other. You are the most irrational human being I have ever come across.

Guy, guy, guy.

The poor do not have the same access to family planning the rich have, that's the point.

I have no problem with the regulation of abortion clinics to make them safe. But you guys pass laws that have nothing to do with safety to try to put them out of business.

Real world. Women are going to have abortions - NO MATTER WHAT THE LAW IS.

I simply want them to be safe, and fuck the religous nuts, because honestly, just fuck them.

 

[JustSomeGuy]

Again, Gosnell is the result of the kind of world you religious whacks want.

If we had medicare in PA paying for abortions and clinics available to poor people, he wouldn't have existed.

Really? Sooo...only those who are 'religious' want Gosnell and his ilk to stop running abortion mills and sickening late term abortions? Really? So, this isn't about right or wrong?
wow...I must have missed something here...because I am not particularly religious and I would like to see the sick fuck burn along with the others who seem to have no regard for human life.

Well, I'll agree, you did miss something.

The religious whacks are the ones that passed laws that kept RU-486 off the market for years.

The religous whacks are the ones who prevented Medicaid from paying for abortions. (The Hyde Amdendment, passed by my former congressman, Henry Hypocrite Hyde. )

The religious whacks are the ones who passed ridiculous laws trying to limit when an abortion could be provided in PA. (See Planned Parenthood v. Casey.)

Did they stop abortions from happening at Gosnell's? NOPE.

They just prevented safe ones from occurring.

Did you even read the grand jury report? That's a rhetorical question, of course, because it's evident that you did not. On the whole, your arguments are nonsensical. Instead of blaming the fact that Gosnell could operate because of pro-choicers not wanting to cause, as the Grand Jury report noted, an "undue burden to women" seeking to obtain an abortion (see: PPvC), you blame the fact that Gosnell could operate for years on the fact that abortions aren't free. Sorry, but that's extremely idiotic.

I'm going to save your posts as proof that pro-choicers, in general, don't just want abortions to be legal; they want them to be free and paid for by someone else.