"Government" is Not the Problem.

[P@triot]

And in your house - do your tools control you or do you control the tools? That is the problem we have in this country. You liberals believe the government owns us and we are lucky and blessed for anything they permit us to do. Government is a tool. We are the owners of the tools.

That is false. It is conservatives who consistently try to tell people how to live their lives. They oppose abortion, and birth control, and women's right to choose. Conservatives want people to be free to live as they do. They want you to be Christian, women to be subserviant to their men, and employees to be grateful they have work. All power to the oligarchs!

Typical false narrative of a typical blind and obedient liberal. Lets talk some facts for a moment here:

• Conservatives do not "oppose" birth control. They oppose being forced to pay for it - especially for someone else (like Sandra Fluke who wants to sleep around but doesn't want to have to pay for or be responsible for, her actions).

• Of course conservatives oppose abortion. It's murder. I also oppose anyone raping or murdering you. Gasp! What an outrage!

• Of course conservatives do not support a woman's "right" to choose to kill someone. Just like I don't support a woman's "right" to kill you.

What does it say about you that you have to resort to straw man arguments to debate? Nothing you said about conservatives was even remotely true. Let me know when you want to have a real discussion.

 

[P@triot]

I have guns in my house to use to fight off the Abrams tanks that the paranoids are going to send through my front door.

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." - Robert Heinlein

 

[bripat9643]

And in your house - do your tools control you or do you control the tools? That is the problem we have in this country. You liberals believe the government owns us and we are lucky and blessed for anything they permit us to do. Government is a tool. We are the owners of the tools.

That is false. It is conservatives who consistently try to tell people how to live their lives. They oppose abortion, and birth control, and women's right to choose. Conservatives want people to be free to live as they do. They want you to be Christian, women to be subserviant to their men, and employees to be grateful they have work. All power to the oligarchs!

The abortion issue is all you've got. The rest is just leftwing bullshit. On the other hand, leftwingers want to tell us what kind of health insurance we can buy, what kind of light bulbs we can buy, what kind of toilets and shower heads we can buy, water heaters, appliances, cars, houses, gasoline, food, drugs, medical services, yada, yada, yada. Leftwingers have made a thousands rules about just about any product you can name. You can even buy a gas can that actually works anymore because of the left. From the time you get up until the time you go to bed everything you touch or look at that's man made is subject to government regulations.

 

[bripat9643]

And in your house - do your tools control you or do you control the tools? That is the problem we have in this country. You liberals believe the government owns us and we are lucky and blessed for anything they permit us to do. Government is a tool. We are the owners of the tools.

That is false. It is conservatives who consistently try to tell people how to live their lives. They oppose abortion, and birth control, and women's right to choose. Conservatives want people to be free to live as they do. They want you to be Christian, women to be subserviant to their men, and employees to be grateful they have work. All power to the oligarchs!

Typical false narrative of a typical blind and obedient liberal. Lets talk some facts for a moment here:

• Conservatives do not "oppose" birth control. They oppose being forced to pay for it - especially for someone else (like Sandra Fluke who wants to sleep around but doesn't want to have to pay for or be responsible for, her actions).

• Of course conservatives oppose abortion. It's murder. I also oppose anyone raping or murdering you. Gasp! What an outrage!

• Of course conservatives do not support a woman's "right" to choose to kill someone. Just like I don't support a woman's "right" to kill you.

What does it say about you that you have to resort to straw man arguments to debate? Nothing you said about conservatives was even remotely true. Let me know when you want to have a real discussion.

The only freedom left wingers care about is the freedom to get an abortion. They could be lining us all up before the gas ovens and they wouldn't care so long as they can get an abortion.

 

[Slade3200]

And in your house - do your tools control you or do you control the tools? That is the problem we have in this country. You liberals believe the government owns us and we are lucky and blessed for anything they permit us to do. Government is a tool. We are the owners of the tools.

That is false. It is conservatives who consistently try to tell people how to live their lives. They oppose abortion, and birth control, and women's right to choose. Conservatives want people to be free to live as they do. They want you to be Christian, women to be subserviant to their men, and employees to be grateful they have work. All power to the oligarchs!

Typical false narrative of a typical blind and obedient liberal. Lets talk some facts for a moment here:

• Conservatives do not "oppose" birth control. They oppose being forced to pay for it - especially for someone else (like Sandra Fluke who wants to sleep around but doesn't want to have to pay for or be responsible for, her actions).

• Of course conservatives oppose abortion. It's murder. I also oppose anyone raping or murdering you. Gasp! What an outrage!

• Of course conservatives do not support a woman's "right" to choose to kill someone. Just like I don't support a woman's "right" to kill you.

What does it say about you that you have to resort to straw man arguments to debate? Nothing you said about conservatives was even remotely true. Let me know when you want to have a real discussion.

So trivially this one claims that an abortion is same as raping and killing a person. Your swimming in the grey area buddy and both sides have a respectible arguement... Gotta let this one go the the women though, there is no denying that it is part of her body, feeding and growing until it is able to survive on its own. I bet you thought you were really sticking it to her with your little bullet points. Ha

 

[Slade3200]

And in your house - do your tools control you or do you control the tools? That is the problem we have in this country. You liberals believe the government owns us and we are lucky and blessed for anything they permit us to do. Government is a tool. We are the owners of the tools.

That is false. It is conservatives who consistently try to tell people how to live their lives. They oppose abortion, and birth control, and women's right to choose. Conservatives want people to be free to live as they do. They want you to be Christian, women to be subserviant to their men, and employees to be grateful they have work. All power to the oligarchs!

The abortion issue is all you've got. The rest is just leftwing bullshit. On the other hand, leftwingers want to tell us what kind of health insurance we can buy, what kind of light bulbs we can buy, what kind of toilets and shower heads we can buy, water heaters, appliances, cars, houses, gasoline, food, drugs, medical services, yada, yada, yada. Leftwingers have made a thousands rules about just about any product you can name. You can even buy a gas can that actually works anymore because of the left. From the time you get up until the time you go to bed everything you touch or look at that's man made is subject to government regulations.

It's called progression, we build, we use, we learn, and we improve... What a concept! The result, a safer, more inclusive society progressing towards fair practice, equal opportunity and a cleaner environment. The horror!!!!!!

 

[bripat9643]

And in your house - do your tools control you or do you control the tools? That is the problem we have in this country. You liberals believe the government owns us and we are lucky and blessed for anything they permit us to do. Government is a tool. We are the owners of the tools.

That is false. It is conservatives who consistently try to tell people how to live their lives. They oppose abortion, and birth control, and women's right to choose. Conservatives want people to be free to live as they do. They want you to be Christian, women to be subserviant to their men, and employees to be grateful they have work. All power to the oligarchs!

The abortion issue is all you've got. The rest is just leftwing bullshit. On the other hand, leftwingers want to tell us what kind of health insurance we can buy, what kind of light bulbs we can buy, what kind of toilets and shower heads we can buy, water heaters, appliances, cars, houses, gasoline, food, drugs, medical services, yada, yada, yada. Leftwingers have made a thousands rules about just about any product you can name. You can even buy a gas can that actually works anymore because of the left. From the time you get up until the time you go to bed everything you touch or look at that's man made is subject to government regulations.

It's called progression, we build, we use, we learn, and we improve... What a concept! The result, a safer, more inclusive society progressing towards fair practice, equal opportunity and a cleaner environment. The horror!!!!!!

Your belief that it's an improvement is where you made your mistake. Furthermore, you didn't contradict my point that the left tells people how to live, not the right.

 

[Slade3200]

And in your house - do your tools control you or do you control the tools? That is the problem we have in this country. You liberals believe the government owns us and we are lucky and blessed for anything they permit us to do. Government is a tool. We are the owners of the tools.

That is false. It is conservatives who consistently try to tell people how to live their lives. They oppose abortion, and birth control, and women's right to choose. Conservatives want people to be free to live as they do. They want you to be Christian, women to be subserviant to their men, and employees to be grateful they have work. All power to the oligarchs!

The abortion issue is all you've got. The rest is just leftwing bullshit. On the other hand, leftwingers want to tell us what kind of health insurance we can buy, what kind of light bulbs we can buy, what kind of toilets and shower heads we can buy, water heaters, appliances, cars, houses, gasoline, food, drugs, medical services, yada, yada, yada. Leftwingers have made a thousands rules about just about any product you can name. You can even buy a gas can that actually works anymore because of the left. From the time you get up until the time you go to bed everything you touch or look at that's man made is subject to government regulations.

It's called progression, we build, we use, we learn, and we improve... What a concept! The result, a safer, more inclusive society progressing towards fair practice, equal opportunity and a cleaner environment. The horror!!!!!!

Your belief that it's an improvement is where you made your mistake. Furthermore, you didn't contradict my point that the left tells people how to live, not the right.

Turn on Fox... You'll hear non stop for the next 48 hours how they want to toss away the 1st amendment and have the government test citizens to see if they believe in sharia law then deport them if they do. That means no more privacy, no more freedom of speech, no more freedom of religion... And Big Brother is born!!!! what was it you were complaining about again?

 

[P@triot]

...leftwingers want to tell us what kind of health insurance we can buy, what kind of light bulbs we can buy, what kind of toilets and shower heads we can buy, water heaters, appliances, cars, houses, gasoline, food, drugs, medical services, yada, yada, yada.

It's called progression, we build, we use, we learn, and we improve... What a concept! The result, a safer, more inclusive society progressing towards fair practice, equal opportunity and a cleaner environment. The horror!!!!!!

It is "progression" in your mind to control every facet of a person's life? It is "progression" in your mind to force people to purchase a particular lightbulb?

 

[Slade3200]

...leftwingers want to tell us what kind of health insurance we can buy, what kind of light bulbs we can buy, what kind of toilets and shower heads we can buy, water heaters, appliances, cars, houses, gasoline, food, drugs, medical services, yada, yada, yada.

It's called progression, we build, we use, we learn, and we improve... What a concept! The result, a safer, more inclusive society progressing towards fair practice, equal opportunity and a cleaner environment. The horror!!!!!!

It is "progression" in your mind to control every facet of a person's life? It is "progression" in your mind to force people to purchase a particular lightbulb?

No, and this is not the case... Go to you local hardware store and look at the amazing selection of lightbulbs. Now the fact that it takes you and three of your friends to screw one in is probably Obamas fault so you do have a valid gripe

 

[P@triot]

...leftwingers want to tell us what kind of health insurance we can buy, what kind of light bulbs we can buy, what kind of toilets and shower heads we can buy, water heaters, appliances, cars, houses, gasoline, food, drugs, medical services, yada, yada, yada.

It's called progression, we build, we use, we learn, and we improve... What a concept! The result, a safer, more inclusive society progressing towards fair practice, equal opportunity and a cleaner environment. The horror!!!!!!

It is "progression" in your mind to control every facet of a person's life? It is "progression" in your mind to force people to purchase a particular lightbulb?

No, and this is not the case... Go to you local hardware store and look at the amazing selection of lightbulbs. Now the fact that it takes you and three of your friends to screw one in is probably Obamas fault so you do have a valid gripe

Actually...it is the case. You are frighteningly uninformed about what is going on in America.

Phase-out regulations effectively ban the manufacture, importation or sale of incandescent light bulbsfor general lighting. The regulations would allow sale of future versions of incandescent bulbs if they are sufficiently energy efficient.

Phase-out of incandescent light bulbs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Obit: RIP, light bulb - CNN.com

 

[Slade3200]

...leftwingers want to tell us what kind of health insurance we can buy, what kind of light bulbs we can buy, what kind of toilets and shower heads we can buy, water heaters, appliances, cars, houses, gasoline, food, drugs, medical services, yada, yada, yada.

It's called progression, we build, we use, we learn, and we improve... What a concept! The result, a safer, more inclusive society progressing towards fair practice, equal opportunity and a cleaner environment. The horror!!!!!!

It is "progression" in your mind to control every facet of a person's life? It is "progression" in your mind to force people to purchase a particular lightbulb?

No, and this is not the case... Go to you local hardware store and look at the amazing selection of lightbulbs. Now the fact that it takes you and three of your friends to screw one in is probably Obamas fault so you do have a valid gripe

Actually...it is the case. You are frighteningly uninformed about what is going on in America.

Phase-out regulations effectively ban the manufacture, importation or sale of incandescent light bulbsfor general lighting. The regulations would allow sale of future versions of incandescent bulbs if they are sufficiently energy efficient.

Phase-out of incandescent light bulbs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Obit: RIP, light bulb - CNN.com

So what? Go to the store and choose out of a dozen different types of light bulbs that will save energy over the incandescent bulbs that you seem to have a hard on for. Whats next? Would you like to bring back lead based paint or perhaps cancer cause asbestos.

 

[P@triot]

...leftwingers want to tell us what kind of health insurance we can buy, what kind of light bulbs we can buy, what kind of toilets and shower heads we can buy, water heaters, appliances, cars, houses, gasoline, food, drugs, medical services, yada, yada, yada.

It's called progression, we build, we use, we learn, and we improve... What a concept! The result, a safer, more inclusive society progressing towards fair practice, equal opportunity and a cleaner environment. The horror!!!!!!

It is "progression" in your mind to control every facet of a person's life? It is "progression" in your mind to force people to purchase a particular lightbulb?

No, and this is not the case... Go to you local hardware store and look at the amazing selection of lightbulbs. Now the fact that it takes you and three of your friends to screw one in is probably Obamas fault so you do have a valid gripe

Actually...it is the case. You are frighteningly uninformed about what is going on in America.

Phase-out regulations effectively ban the manufacture, importation or sale of incandescent light bulbsfor general lighting. The regulations would allow sale of future versions of incandescent bulbs if they are sufficiently energy efficient.

Phase-out of incandescent light bulbs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Obit: RIP, light bulb - CNN.com

So what? Go to the store and choose out of a dozen different types of light bulbs that will save energy over the incandescent bulbs that you seem to have a hard on for. Whats next? Would you like to bring back lead based paint or perhaps cancer cause asbestos.

Except that the incandescent lightbulb poses no health threats to a person - no cancers, no diseases, etc. So you make a ridiculous straw man when faced with the indisputable reality that government is deciding for the American people what lightbulb they can and cannot purchase.

Incidentally, if I want to purchase lead paint or asbestos - who the fuck is the government to tell me I can't? Funny how when it comes to murdering babies the ignorant liberal battle cry is "it's my body" but when it comes to purchasing products that are supposedly not good for me, suddenly the "it's my body" battle cry no longer applies. Typical liberal ideology contradicting itself.

 

[Boss]

Except that the incandescent lightbulb poses no health threats to a person - no cancers, no diseases, etc. So you make a ridiculous straw man when faced with the indisputable reality that government is deciding for the American people what lightbulb they can and cannot purchase.

Not to mention the new curly-cue bulbs are environmentally hazardous. They forget to mention that part.

 

[bripat9643]

...leftwingers want to tell us what kind of health insurance we can buy, what kind of light bulbs we can buy, what kind of toilets and shower heads we can buy, water heaters, appliances, cars, houses, gasoline, food, drugs, medical services, yada, yada, yada.

It's called progression, we build, we use, we learn, and we improve... What a concept! The result, a safer, more inclusive society progressing towards fair practice, equal opportunity and a cleaner environment. The horror!!!!!!

It is "progression" in your mind to control every facet of a person's life? It is "progression" in your mind to force people to purchase a particular lightbulb?

No, and this is not the case... Go to you local hardware store and look at the amazing selection of lightbulbs. Now the fact that it takes you and three of your friends to screw one in is probably Obamas fault so you do have a valid gripe

Actually...it is the case. You are frighteningly uninformed about what is going on in America.

Phase-out regulations effectively ban the manufacture, importation or sale of incandescent light bulbsfor general lighting. The regulations would allow sale of future versions of incandescent bulbs if they are sufficiently energy efficient.

Phase-out of incandescent light bulbs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Obit: RIP, light bulb - CNN.com

So what? Go to the store and choose out of a dozen different types of light bulbs that will save energy over the incandescent bulbs that you seem to have a hard on for. Whats next? Would you like to bring back lead based paint or perhaps cancer cause asbestos.

How does that stop government from controlling what you can purchase?

 

[Avatar4321]

Well government sure isn't the solution

 

[Slade3200]

It's called progression, we build, we use, we learn, and we improve... What a concept! The result, a safer, more inclusive society progressing towards fair practice, equal opportunity and a cleaner environment. The horror!!!!!!

It is "progression" in your mind to control every facet of a person's life? It is "progression" in your mind to force people to purchase a particular lightbulb?

No, and this is not the case... Go to you local hardware store and look at the amazing selection of lightbulbs. Now the fact that it takes you and three of your friends to screw one in is probably Obamas fault so you do have a valid gripe

Actually...it is the case. You are frighteningly uninformed about what is going on in America.

Phase-out regulations effectively ban the manufacture, importation or sale of incandescent light bulbsfor general lighting. The regulations would allow sale of future versions of incandescent bulbs if they are sufficiently energy efficient.

Phase-out of incandescent light bulbs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Obit: RIP, light bulb - CNN.com

So what? Go to the store and choose out of a dozen different types of light bulbs that will save energy over the incandescent bulbs that you seem to have a hard on for. Whats next? Would you like to bring back lead based paint or perhaps cancer cause asbestos.

Except that the incandescent lightbulb poses no health threats to a person - no cancers, no diseases, etc. So you make a ridiculous straw man when faced with the indisputable reality that government is deciding for the American people what lightbulb they can and cannot purchase.

Incidentally, if I want to purchase lead paint or asbestos - who the fuck is the government to tell me I can't? Funny how when it comes to murdering babies the ignorant liberal battle cry is "it's my body" but when it comes to purchasing products that are supposedly not good for me, suddenly the "it's my body" battle cry no longer applies. Typical liberal ideology contradicting itself.

Yeah go buy your lead paint and paint the rooms of children all over your community or sell your toxic living quarters to a unsuspecting family and let them reap the effects. Beautiful community you want to live in ya genius.

Technology evolves, we learn about things that harm our public and/or environment and develop safer/cleaner products. We phase out the old and implement the new. Most call this progression. You decided to call it degression while you bitch and moan. Sad

 

[bripat9643]

It is "progression" in your mind to control every facet of a person's life? It is "progression" in your mind to force people to purchase a particular lightbulb?

No, and this is not the case... Go to you local hardware store and look at the amazing selection of lightbulbs. Now the fact that it takes you and three of your friends to screw one in is probably Obamas fault so you do have a valid gripe

Actually...it is the case. You are frighteningly uninformed about what is going on in America.

Phase-out regulations effectively ban the manufacture, importation or sale of incandescent light bulbsfor general lighting. The regulations would allow sale of future versions of incandescent bulbs if they are sufficiently energy efficient.

Phase-out of incandescent light bulbs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Obit: RIP, light bulb - CNN.com

So what? Go to the store and choose out of a dozen different types of light bulbs that will save energy over the incandescent bulbs that you seem to have a hard on for. Whats next? Would you like to bring back lead based paint or perhaps cancer cause asbestos.

Except that the incandescent lightbulb poses no health threats to a person - no cancers, no diseases, etc. So you make a ridiculous straw man when faced with the indisputable reality that government is deciding for the American people what lightbulb they can and cannot purchase.

Incidentally, if I want to purchase lead paint or asbestos - who the fuck is the government to tell me I can't? Funny how when it comes to murdering babies the ignorant liberal battle cry is "it's my body" but when it comes to purchasing products that are supposedly not good for me, suddenly the "it's my body" battle cry no longer applies. Typical liberal ideology contradicting itself.

Yeah go buy your lead paint and paint the rooms of children all over your community or sell your toxic living quarters to a unsuspecting family and let them reap the effects. Beautiful community you want to live in ya genius.

Issues like that can be handled by tort law.

Technology evolves, we learn about things that harm our public and/or environment and develop safer/cleaner products. We phase out the old and implement the new. Most call this progression. You decided to call it degression while you bitch and moan. Sad

You mean like gas cans that won't actually pour any gas? The reality is that regulators get paid to regulate, and if there were no new regulations, they would be out of a job. That's why we get more and more regulations whether we need them or not. Once these agencies are created, there's no stopping them.

 

[P@triot]

Yeah go buy your lead paint and paint the rooms of children all over your community or sell your toxic living quarters to a unsuspecting family and let them reap the effects.

What happened to the "it's my body" libtard battle cry?!? I can't paint a child's room (or any room) in another person's house so your idiotic claim of me using lead paint "all over your community" is absurd, juvenile, desperate, and ridiculous. Kind of like you. Do you have anything intelligent to say? Are would you rather sound like an absolute idiot so long as you promote the official libtard ideology?

Beautiful community you want to live in ya genius.

I don't live in a "community", dumb ass. And neither do you. I live in a home. My home. And in the United States, I'm supposed to be free to live my life how I choose - especially in my own home. I'm sorry that you suffer from a severe inferiority complex which causes you to want to run other people's lives so you can feel important in your own mind but that's simply not how the U.S. works.

Technology evolves, we learn about things that harm our public and/or environment and develop safer/cleaner products. We phase out the old and implement the new. Most call this progression. You decided to call it degression while you bitch and moan. Sad

No....most call that communism. The free market will decide for itself if it wants "safer" products or "cleaner" products. We don't need corrupt bureaucrats getting bribes and kickbacks doing it for us.

 

[Slade3200]

No, and this is not the case... Go to you local hardware store and look at the amazing selection of lightbulbs. Now the fact that it takes you and three of your friends to screw one in is probably Obamas fault so you do have a valid gripe

Actually...it is the case. You are frighteningly uninformed about what is going on in America.

Phase-out regulations effectively ban the manufacture, importation or sale of incandescent light bulbsfor general lighting. The regulations would allow sale of future versions of incandescent bulbs if they are sufficiently energy efficient.

Phase-out of incandescent light bulbs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Obit: RIP, light bulb - CNN.com

So what? Go to the store and choose out of a dozen different types of light bulbs that will save energy over the incandescent bulbs that you seem to have a hard on for. Whats next? Would you like to bring back lead based paint or perhaps cancer cause asbestos.

Except that the incandescent lightbulb poses no health threats to a person - no cancers, no diseases, etc. So you make a ridiculous straw man when faced with the indisputable reality that government is deciding for the American people what lightbulb they can and cannot purchase.

Incidentally, if I want to purchase lead paint or asbestos - who the fuck is the government to tell me I can't? Funny how when it comes to murdering babies the ignorant liberal battle cry is "it's my body" but when it comes to purchasing products that are supposedly not good for me, suddenly the "it's my body" battle cry no longer applies. Typical liberal ideology contradicting itself.

Yeah go buy your lead paint and paint the rooms of children all over your community or sell your toxic living quarters to a unsuspecting family and let them reap the effects. Beautiful community you want to live in ya genius.

Issues like that can be handled by tort law.

Technology evolves, we learn about things that harm our public and/or environment and develop safer/cleaner products. We phase out the old and implement the new. Most call this progression. You decided to call it degression while you bitch and moan. Sad

You mean like gas cans that won't actually pour any gas? The reality is that regulators get paid to regulate, and if there were no new regulations, they would be out of a job. That's why we get more and more regulations whether we need them or not. Once these agencies are created, there's no stopping them.

Does the city, county, state, or federal elected officials have the ability to make, modify or eliminate regulations?