Gun control and firearms ban

[CowboyTed]

When it comes to the constitution that is pretty much how it goes...

No. It's not pretty, and it’s not going that way anymore.

That is why there is fights over justices...

They’re judges, not justices.

Bible Gateway passage: Luke 19:4-5 - King James Version

And he ran before, and climbed up into a sycomore tree to see him: for he was to pass that way. And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up, and saw him, and said unto him, Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for to day I must abide at thy house.

www.biblegateway.com

They are generally called justices...

Current Members

www.supremecourt.gov

John G. Roberts, Jr., Chief Justice of the United States,

What has the bible got to do with this? This is the law of the land...

By the way, what I am explaining is all in the Constitution, you should read it...

Article Three of the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

For some one harps on about the Constitution a lot, I suggest you read it...

 

[justinacolmena]

They are generally called justices...

No where in the Constitution are human beings called “justices.”

Minor correction: there is one “Chief Justice” but the others are all called “Judges” in the Constitution ...

 

[CowboyTed]

They are generally called justices...

No where in the Constitution are human beings called “justices.”

Minor correction: there is one “Chief Justice” but the others are all called “Judges” in the Constitution ...

Supreme Court website calls them Associate Justice....
Clarence Thomas, Associate Justice,

Also by calling one chief the others would be two...Judges is not wrong but either is Justices...

Justice is used more in a legal framework

Table of Supreme Court Justices | Resources | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

A table listing all Justices who have served or are currently serving on the Supreme Court.

constitution.congress.gov

"Judges and justices are court officials responsible to hear legal proceedings and to make the conclusion in every case that is brought to a court of law. ... A judge is generally the one who presides over the lower courts while justice is a member of the Supreme Court."

Difference Between Justice and Judge - PATHLEGAL

Difference Between Justice and Judge

www.pathlegal.in

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

the first call for ban on a firearm was a revolver back in the 70's then the gun grabbers went for semiautomatics
They will never stop

When the jack booted thugs show up at your door, demanding your weapons, aim for the head, then look for the next closest Biden voter and take them out also.

The guys who would come for you guns would be a law authority up holding a law that would have been deem constitutional by the courts.

So you want your gun to shoot at cops...

I see where you owning a gun might be an issue now...

So what you are saying, is that Law Abiding Citizens, who did everything right in purchasing a gun, by the act of a asshole politician, suddenly all those citizens are now criminals? Is that right?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

...Hey, genius...you have no room to talk... The Europeans banned and confiscated guns after WW1.....then the German socialists murdered 12 million unarmed Europeans... Excuse us if we don't take your dumb opinions seriously....

The Nazis were 'socialists' in name only... in truth, they were hyper-right-wing ultra-nationalists operating under false colors.

First can I say one thing... NAZIs didn't ban guns, they actually loosened the gun laws in Germany.

No, gun control regulation in Nazi Germany did not help advance the Holocaust

On March 13, 2018, gun control activists laid 7,000 pairs of shoes on the lawn outside the Capitol in D.C. to represent

www.politifact.com

https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=4029&context=flr

Nazi gun control argument - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

NAZIs were also not socialists... They were Nationalists and far right wing... I know this is hard for some here but saying NAZIs are socialists at this stage is just showing us how ignorant of history you are and pretty much nothing else. Every point after that has a prefix that you don't know what you are talking about. You are like a boy who eats worms giving a nutrition class...

Politifact? Yeah, that is a Nazi trying to say Jews could have guns.....You are one mother fucking worthless progressive slave....Go ahead give up "your" Freedoms, the rest of US will not....slave.

 

[playtime]

don'tcha you mean citizens that need phallyc symbols to compensate for their shortcomings?

Let me know when your leftist masters enforce the law and protect citizens from violent, leftist mobs.

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So what's your point? Open carry is legal there. Don't like it? Stay away. Leftists like you want to manage everyone's lives.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you nutters went all cray cray about a mask mandate.

you're all a bunch of closeted god damn snowflakes ....

ooooOOOOoooo ... ' we don't wanna protect our fellow 'mericans - we don't wanna be REAL patriots ... we don't wanna be constrained because deep down we are really just a bunch of babies acting out some rambo fantasy!!! '

'MERICA! FUCK YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please do the right thing and take your meds.
We love you and we dont want you to hurt yourself or someone else.

lol ... your denial of facts is duly noted; & this was their bat signal:

 

[playtime]

...Biden said you will not and that foid makes it easy to track you. Or do you plan on resisting what you voted for?

Sleepy Old Uncle Joe hasn't said any such thing, my little right-wing Internet troll...

Here is the Biden campaign's official position on the subject...

Joe Biden's Plan to End Gun Violence | Joe Biden for President

His agenda is well within acceptable parameters for (a) protecting Second Amendment rights while (b) eliminating a variety of public safety threats.

You don't need 2500 AR-15s and M-4s nor 750-round magazines nor 150,000 rounds of .40 and 9mm ammo...

And, with any luck, you won't be allowed to keep that kind of insane arsenal in the future.

Show me in the bill of rights the word NEED

show me where it says UNregulated.

shall not be infringe
Now show me the word need in the bill of rights?

do you have the right to own any type of firepower? are fully automatic machine guns allowed without strict regs? lol ... you seem to NEED them thar bang bangs, because well ...

 

[playtime]

...Biden said you will not and that foid makes it easy to track you. Or do you plan on resisting what you voted for?

Sleepy Old Uncle Joe hasn't said any such thing, my little right-wing Internet troll...

Here is the Biden campaign's official position on the subject...

Joe Biden's Plan to End Gun Violence | Joe Biden for President

His agenda is well within acceptable parameters for (a) protecting Second Amendment rights while (b) eliminating a variety of public safety threats.

You don't need 2500 AR-15s and M-4s nor 750-round magazines nor 150,000 rounds of .40 and 9mm ammo...

And, with any luck, you won't be allowed to keep that kind of insane arsenal in the future.

You don't need 2500 AR-15s and M-4s nor 750-round magazines nor 150,000 rounds of .40 and 9mm ammo...

Oh i see, you dont need a weapon to protect yourself from governments foreign or domestic? So i dont need to pay taxes, so some lazy prog slave can take those taxes to eat from?

if the big bad gov'ment came down on its citizens, they have you outnumbered by the military industrial complex.

bigley. big BIG bigley.

how many gun owners do you believe there are versus law enforcement and the military combined?
And it was big league

how many gun owners have tanks?

 

[playtime]

My brother's got a friend who's selling a number of guns. We've already decided we're buying whatever he's selling. The beauty of it is these guns are completely undocumented. No one knows we'll have them, as there's no requirement to register them here.

The trick is finding ammunition. I've got a buddy reloading some rifle rounds for me, but finding .45 ACP is like trying to find a unicorn...

Thanks . . . for informing the entire internet. Ammo is no problem, really. Just pull up AmmoSeek.com and search whatever caliber. A few calibers, such as 45-70 and 6.5 Grendel are running scarce. But even those calibers can be found . . . if you delve deeply enough into search results.

I have passed up a lot of ammo this year some people need ammo more than I do. I started buying years ago. so I figure I'll let someone have my share this year.

i recently bought some green tip 5.56mm NATO rounds.....Since Russia isnt a threat to Europe anymore, i just figured i might need a few since XiBiden, might take over next year...

A handy chambering I use is .223 Wylde. It shoots both 5.56 and .223 without a problem. Whichever is cheaper.

One of the big things US citizens need to do, is when the 4am wake up call from the Feds at your neighbors house, everyone who is a Law Abiding Citizen needs to step up and stop the illegal search and seizure the Feds will attempt.

Sounds heroic, doesn't it? Trust me I'm on your side. However, let's just say I've been reading a whole lot about John Brown's fate lately. There's a real good and important lesson to learn in studying what happened in Harpers Ferry in 1859. Read between the lines and you must realize anyone who resists our federal government with armed force will be eradicated. Now, one could cite the eventual victory of Cliven Bundy and his son's—but—that's like finding a specific grain of sand on a very wide beach.

Anyone who resists our federal government with armed force is labeled a domestic terrorist and villified in the media 24/7 to the point that nobody would dare publicly defend them.

tru,p supporters are already vilified so what difference does it make might as well take out a few leftists

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' might as well take out a few leftists '

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more nashvilles are coming and yes it will be those Trump supporters you mocked

when is it yer turn, rambo?

 

[playtime]

...Show me in the bill of rights the word NEED

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

* You are part of the Militia-at-large ( the entire pool of citizens capable of bearing arms in the event a national defense emergency )

* You are allowed to keep and bear arms

* The government has a right to regulate the nature and quantities of such arms

* Such regulation does not infringe on your macro-level right to keep and bear arms

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If you do not yet live in a jurisdiction where you are "well-regulated", you soon will be.

Nope you better get your education somewhere else
we are not part of the organized militia
I'm not allowed anything I have a right which precedes and allowance by any government
the government only legislates because the people granted them such right but as the Constitution is written it tells the government what they can not do
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGE
yes such regulation is an infringement

Post the entire amendment.


Well regulated....

well regulated in 18th century terminology meant "as to be expected in working order"

Even in the 18th century it meant much more.

but that was what it meant when the authors of the second amendment wrote it

they also thought they could own humans.

 

[2aguy]

...Hey, genius...you have no room to talk... The Europeans banned and confiscated guns after WW1.....then the German socialists murdered 12 million unarmed Europeans... Excuse us if we don't take your dumb opinions seriously....

The Nazis were 'socialists' in name only... in truth, they were hyper-right-wing ultra-nationalists operating under false colors.

First can I say one thing... NAZIs didn't ban guns, they actually loosened the gun laws in Germany.

No, gun control regulation in Nazi Germany did not help advance the Holocaust

On March 13, 2018, gun control activists laid 7,000 pairs of shoes on the lawn outside the Capitol in D.C. to represent

www.politifact.com

https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=4029&context=flr

Nazi gun control argument - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

NAZIs were also not socialists... They were Nationalists and far right wing... I know this is hard for some here but saying NAZIs are socialists at this stage is just showing us how ignorant of history you are and pretty much nothing else. Every point after that has a prefix that you don't know what you are talking about. You are like a boy who eats worms giving a nutrition class...

Wow....another moron trying to push the lie the national socialists relaxed guns laws...

Yes...they relaxed gun laws for national socialist party members........and confiscated guns from Jews and their political enemies......you dumb ass...

what part of that do you not understand....

And yes....they were left wing socialists......what part of that is so hard for you to understand...

Do you morons even read the articles you post? You obviously don't because you wouldn't post that lie about the socialists if you did....

From your link......

The Nazis used the records to confiscate guns from their enemies,
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On Nov. 11, 1938, the Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons was issued. Under it, Jews living under the Third Reich were forbidden to own or possess any form of weapons, including truncheons, knives, firearms and ammunition.

No, gun control regulation in Nazi Germany did not help advance the Holocaust

On March 13, 2018, gun control activists laid 7,000 pairs of shoes on the lawn outside the Capitol in D.C. to represent

www.politifact.com

 

[2aguy]

...Hey, genius...you have no room to talk... The Europeans banned and confiscated guns after WW1.....then the German socialists murdered 12 million unarmed Europeans... Excuse us if we don't take your dumb opinions seriously....

The Nazis were 'socialists' in name only... in truth, they were hyper-right-wing ultra-nationalists operating under false colors.

First can I say one thing... NAZIs didn't ban guns, they actually loosened the gun laws in Germany.

No, gun control regulation in Nazi Germany did not help advance the Holocaust

On March 13, 2018, gun control activists laid 7,000 pairs of shoes on the lawn outside the Capitol in D.C. to represent

www.politifact.com

https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=4029&context=flr

Nazi gun control argument - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

NAZIs were also not socialists... They were Nationalists and far right wing... I know this is hard for some here but saying NAZIs are socialists at this stage is just showing us how ignorant of history you are and pretty much nothing else. Every point after that has a prefix that you don't know what you are talking about. You are like a boy who eats worms giving a nutrition class...

The national socialists were, in fact, socialists....

Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

One of the main reasons why the socialist character of National Socialism has been quite generally unrecognized, is, no doubt, its alliance with the nationalist groups which represent the great industries and the great landowners. But this merely proves that these groups too -as they have since learnt to their bitter disappointment -have, at least partly, been mistaken as to the nature of the movement. But only partly because -and this is the most characteristic feature of modern Germany – many capitalists are themselves strongly influenced by socialistic ideas, and have not sufficient belief in capitalism to defend it with a clear conscience. But, in spite of this, the German entrepreneur class have manifested almost incredible short-sightedness in allying themselves with a move movement of whose strong anti-capitalistic tendencies there should never have been any doubt.

A careful observer must always have been aware that the opposition of the Nazis to the established socialist parties, which gained them the sympathy of the entrepreneur, was only to a very small extend directed against their economic policy. What the Nazis mainly objected to was their internationalism and all the aspects of their cultural programme which were still influenced by liberal ideas. But the accusations against the social-democrats and the communists which were most effective in their propaganda were not so much directed against their programme as against their supposed practice -their corruption and nepotism, and even their alleged alliance with “the golden International of Jewish Capitalism.”

It would, indeed, hardly have been possible for the Nationalists to advance fundamental objections to the economic policy of the other socialist parties when their own published programme differed from these only in that its socialism was much cruder and less rational. The famous 25 points drawn up by Herr Feder,[2] one of Hitler’s early allies, repeatedly endorsed by Hitler and recognized by the by-laws of the National-Socialist party as the immutable basis of all its actions, which together with an extensive commentary is circulating throughout Germany in many hundreds of thousands of copies, is full of ideas resembling those of the early socialists. But the dominant feature is a fierce hatred of anything capitalistic -individualistic profit seeking, large scale enterprise, banks, joint-stock companies, department stores, “international finance and loan capital,” the system of “interest slavery” in general; the abolition of these is described as the “[indecipherable] of the programme, around which everything else turns.” It was to this programme that the masses of the German people, who were already completely under the influence of collectivist ideas, responded so enthusiastically.

That this violent anti-capitalistic attack is genuine – and not a mere piece of propaganda – becomes as clear from the personal history of the intellectual leaders of the movement as from the general milieu from which it springs. It is not even denied that man of the young men who today play a prominent part in it have previously been communists or socialists. And to any observer of the literary tendencies which made the Germans intelligentsia ready to join the ranks of the new party, it must be clear that the common characteristic of all the politically influential writers – in many cases free from definite party affiliations – was their anti-liberal and anti-capitalist trend. Groups like that formed around the review “Die Tat” have made the phrase “the end of capitalism” an accepted dogma to most young Germans.[3]

And more...

The Myth of "Nazi Capitalism" | Chris Calton

German socialism, as Mises defines it, differs from what he called “socialism of the Russian pattern” in that “it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange.” However, this is only a superficial system of private ownership because through a complete system of economic intervention and control, the entrepreneurial function of the property owners is completely controlled by the State. By this, Mises means that shop owners do not speculate about future events for the purpose of allocating resources in the pursuit of profits. Just like in the Soviet Union, this entrepreneurial speculation and resource allocation is done by a single entity, the State, and economic calculation is thus impossible.

“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”

Read A Pile Of Top Nazis Talking About How They Love Leftist Marxism

The Nazis were leftists. This statement is blasphemy to the academic-media complex, since everyone knows the Nazis were degenerate right-wingers fueled by toxic capitalism and racism. But evidence Adolf Hitler’s gang were men of the left, while debatable, is compelling.
The dispute on Nazi origins resurfaced through the confluence of brawling alt-right and antifa fringe movements and recent alternative histories by Dinesh D’Souza and others. The vitriol and lack of candor it produces from supposedly fact-driven academics and media is disturbing, if unsurprising. They stifle dissent on touchy subjects to maintain their narrative and enforce cultural hegemony.

However uncomfortable to opinion shapers, alternative views of the Third Reich exist and were written by the finest minds of their time. Opinions from the period perhaps carry more weight because they are unburdened by the aftermath of the uniquely heinous Nazi crimes.
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Also, Adolf Hitler Loved Karl Marx
It wasn’t only theoretical. Hitler repeatedly praised Marx privately, stating he had “learned a great deal from Marxism.” The trouble with the Weimar Republic, he said, was that its politicians “had never even read Marx.” He also stated his differences with communists were that they were intellectual types passing out pamphlets, whereas “I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun.”

It wasn’t just privately that Hitler’s fealty for Marx surfaced. In “Mein Kampf,” he states that without his racial insights National Socialism “would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground.” Nor did Hitler eschew this sentiment once reaching power. As late as 1941, with the war in bloom, he stated “basically National Socialism and Marxism are the same” in a speech published by the Royal Institute of International Affairs.

Nazi propaganda minister and resident intellectual Joseph Goebbels wrote in his diary that the Nazis would install “real socialism” after Russia’s defeat in the East. And Hitler favorite Albert Speer, the Nazi armaments minister whose memoir became an international bestseller, wrote that Hitler viewed Joseph Stalin as a kindred spirit, ensuring his prisoner of war son received good treatment, and even talked of keeping Stalin in power in a puppet government after Germany’s eventual triumph. His views on Great Britain’s Winston Churchill and the United States’s Franklin Delano Roosevelt were decidedly less kind.

Nazi and Communist Hatred of Each Other Was Brotherly
Despite this, there’s a persistent claim that Nazis and communists hated each other, and mention that the Nazis persecuted socialists and oppressed trade unions. These things are true, but prove little. The camps’ hatred stemmed from familiarity. It was internecine, the nastiest kind.

The Nazis and communists were not only in a struggle for street-war supremacy, but also recruits. These recruits were easily turned, because both sides were fighting for the same men. Hayek recalls

 

[2aguy]

ultimate decision makers

basic civics.

So the Constitution says we can have guns but the courts say we cannot.
You, sir, are the one out of your mind.

If the Supreme Court interpret that way then that is the way it is... They are the ones who are selected to read the constitution.
I didn't invent this.
This is basic civics.

Moron, the lower federal courts, the 4th, 9th and 2nd, in particular, are ignoring the rulings from the Supreme Court....in particular, Heller, Macdonald, Caetano, and Scalia's opinion in Friedman v Highland Park

They are making up their own interpretation of these 2nd Amendment rulings and banning rifles, and magazines....you doofus......

 

[2aguy]

...Hey, genius...you have no room to talk... The Europeans banned and confiscated guns after WW1.....then the German socialists murdered 12 million unarmed Europeans... Excuse us if we don't take your dumb opinions seriously....

The Nazis were 'socialists' in name only... in truth, they were hyper-right-wing ultra-nationalists operating under false colors.

European right-wing is not American right-wing they are the total opposite of each other
are you saying FDR was a right-winger? because at a point in time he liked Hitler hell Hitler was times man of the year

Yep....FDR was a socialist.......he was just hemmed in by our Constitution.....

But ask the Japanese, German and Italian Americans he sent to concentration camps....

Those were NOT concentration camps. They were internment camps.

Moron....they were concentration camps.......they try to hide the democrat party President, FDR, using concentration camps on Japanese, German and Italian citizens to hold law abiding citizens by calling them internment camps...you doofus....

The real difference is between concentration camps and death camps.......

Webster's New World Fourth College Edition. It defines a concentration camp as, "A prison camp in which political dissidents, members of minority ethnic groups, etc. are confined." Somewhat surprisingly, "internment camp" is not listed in the dictionary.

Euphemisms, Concentration Camps And The Japanese Internment

A listener compares the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II to the Jewish Holocaust under the Nazis and raises the question of what to call the camps used in both experiences. At stake is the power of words in framing our actions, past and future.

www.npr.org

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

...Hey, genius...you have no room to talk... The Europeans banned and confiscated guns after WW1.....then the German socialists murdered 12 million unarmed Europeans... Excuse us if we don't take your dumb opinions seriously....

The Nazis were 'socialists' in name only... in truth, they were hyper-right-wing ultra-nationalists operating under false colors.

European right-wing is not American right-wing they are the total opposite of each other
are you saying FDR was a right-winger? because at a point in time he liked Hitler hell Hitler was times man of the year

Yep....FDR was a socialist.......he was just hemmed in by our Constitution.....

But ask the Japanese, German and Italian Americans he sent to concentration camps....

Those were NOT concentration camps. They were internment camps.

Moron....they were concentration camps.......they try to hide the democrat party President, FDR, using concentration camps on Japanese, German and Italian citizens to hold law abiding citizens by calling them internment camps...you doofus....

The real difference is between concentration camps and death camps.......

Webster's New World Fourth College Edition. It defines a concentration camp as, "A prison camp in which political dissidents, members of minority ethnic groups, etc. are confined." Somewhat surprisingly, "internment camp" is not listed in the dictionary.

Euphemisms, Concentration Camps And The Japanese Internment

A listener compares the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II to the Jewish Holocaust under the Nazis and raises the question of what to call the camps used in both experiences. At stake is the power of words in framing our actions, past and future.

www.npr.org

Sorry! NPR is not a good source on any topic. Just admit that you were being over the top and talking out of your ass.

 

[2aguy]

...Hey, genius...you have no room to talk... The Europeans banned and confiscated guns after WW1.....then the German socialists murdered 12 million unarmed Europeans... Excuse us if we don't take your dumb opinions seriously....

The Nazis were 'socialists' in name only... in truth, they were hyper-right-wing ultra-nationalists operating under false colors.

European right-wing is not American right-wing they are the total opposite of each other
are you saying FDR was a right-winger? because at a point in time he liked Hitler hell Hitler was times man of the year

Yep....FDR was a socialist.......he was just hemmed in by our Constitution.....

But ask the Japanese, German and Italian Americans he sent to concentration camps....

Those were NOT concentration camps. They were internment camps.

Moron....they were concentration camps.......they try to hide the democrat party President, FDR, using concentration camps on Japanese, German and Italian citizens to hold law abiding citizens by calling them internment camps...you doofus....

The real difference is between concentration camps and death camps.......

Webster's New World Fourth College Edition. It defines a concentration camp as, "A prison camp in which political dissidents, members of minority ethnic groups, etc. are confined." Somewhat surprisingly, "internment camp" is not listed in the dictionary.

Euphemisms, Concentration Camps And The Japanese Internment

A listener compares the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II to the Jewish Holocaust under the Nazis and raises the question of what to call the camps used in both experiences. At stake is the power of words in framing our actions, past and future.

www.npr.org

Sorry! NPR is not a good source on any topic. Just admit that you were being over the top and talking out of your ass.

Wrong, dumb ass.......FDR put ethnic minorities in concentration camps and the left has been trying to hide that fact by renaming them internment camps........

You are a dupe, and will continue to be a dupe.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

...Hey, genius...you have no room to talk... The Europeans banned and confiscated guns after WW1.....then the German socialists murdered 12 million unarmed Europeans... Excuse us if we don't take your dumb opinions seriously....

The Nazis were 'socialists' in name only... in truth, they were hyper-right-wing ultra-nationalists operating under false colors.

European right-wing is not American right-wing they are the total opposite of each other
are you saying FDR was a right-winger? because at a point in time he liked Hitler hell Hitler was times man of the year

Yep....FDR was a socialist.......he was just hemmed in by our Constitution.....

But ask the Japanese, German and Italian Americans he sent to concentration camps....

Those were NOT concentration camps. They were internment camps.

Moron....they were concentration camps.......they try to hide the democrat party President, FDR, using concentration camps on Japanese, German and Italian citizens to hold law abiding citizens by calling them internment camps...you doofus....

The real difference is between concentration camps and death camps.......

Webster's New World Fourth College Edition. It defines a concentration camp as, "A prison camp in which political dissidents, members of minority ethnic groups, etc. are confined." Somewhat surprisingly, "internment camp" is not listed in the dictionary.

Euphemisms, Concentration Camps And The Japanese Internment

A listener compares the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II to the Jewish Holocaust under the Nazis and raises the question of what to call the camps used in both experiences. At stake is the power of words in framing our actions, past and future.

www.npr.org

Sorry! NPR is not a good source on any topic. Just admit that you were being over the top and talking out of your ass.

Wrong, dumb ass.......FDR put ethnic minorities in concentration camps and the left has been trying to hide that fact by renaming them internment camps........

You are a dupe, and will continue to be a dupe.

Really? How many Hispanics did he lock up?

Isn't it odd that Japanese Americans served in Europe during WWII?

Isn't it odd that very few Germans were "interned"?

I have great respect for your posts on the 2nd Amendment. Why have you chosen this topic to rival liberals in their misconceptions?

 

[danielpalos]

...Hey, genius...you have no room to talk... The Europeans banned and confiscated guns after WW1.....then the German socialists murdered 12 million unarmed Europeans... Excuse us if we don't take your dumb opinions seriously....

The Nazis were 'socialists' in name only... in truth, they were hyper-right-wing ultra-nationalists operating under false colors.

First can I say one thing... NAZIs didn't ban guns, they actually loosened the gun laws in Germany.

No, gun control regulation in Nazi Germany did not help advance the Holocaust

On March 13, 2018, gun control activists laid 7,000 pairs of shoes on the lawn outside the Capitol in D.C. to represent

www.politifact.com

https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=4029&context=flr

Nazi gun control argument - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

NAZIs were also not socialists... They were Nationalists and far right wing... I know this is hard for some here but saying NAZIs are socialists at this stage is just showing us how ignorant of history you are and pretty much nothing else. Every point after that has a prefix that you don't know what you are talking about. You are like a boy who eats worms giving a nutrition class...

The national socialists were, in fact, socialists....

Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

One of the main reasons why the socialist character of National Socialism has been quite generally unrecognized, is, no doubt, its alliance with the nationalist groups which represent the great industries and the great landowners. But this merely proves that these groups too -as they have since learnt to their bitter disappointment -have, at least partly, been mistaken as to the nature of the movement. But only partly because -and this is the most characteristic feature of modern Germany – many capitalists are themselves strongly influenced by socialistic ideas, and have not sufficient belief in capitalism to defend it with a clear conscience. But, in spite of this, the German entrepreneur class have manifested almost incredible short-sightedness in allying themselves with a move movement of whose strong anti-capitalistic tendencies there should never have been any doubt.

A careful observer must always have been aware that the opposition of the Nazis to the established socialist parties, which gained them the sympathy of the entrepreneur, was only to a very small extend directed against their economic policy. What the Nazis mainly objected to was their internationalism and all the aspects of their cultural programme which were still influenced by liberal ideas. But the accusations against the social-democrats and the communists which were most effective in their propaganda were not so much directed against their programme as against their supposed practice -their corruption and nepotism, and even their alleged alliance with “the golden International of Jewish Capitalism.”

It would, indeed, hardly have been possible for the Nationalists to advance fundamental objections to the economic policy of the other socialist parties when their own published programme differed from these only in that its socialism was much cruder and less rational. The famous 25 points drawn up by Herr Feder,[2] one of Hitler’s early allies, repeatedly endorsed by Hitler and recognized by the by-laws of the National-Socialist party as the immutable basis of all its actions, which together with an extensive commentary is circulating throughout Germany in many hundreds of thousands of copies, is full of ideas resembling those of the early socialists. But the dominant feature is a fierce hatred of anything capitalistic -individualistic profit seeking, large scale enterprise, banks, joint-stock companies, department stores, “international finance and loan capital,” the system of “interest slavery” in general; the abolition of these is described as the “[indecipherable] of the programme, around which everything else turns.” It was to this programme that the masses of the German people, who were already completely under the influence of collectivist ideas, responded so enthusiastically.

That this violent anti-capitalistic attack is genuine – and not a mere piece of propaganda – becomes as clear from the personal history of the intellectual leaders of the movement as from the general milieu from which it springs. It is not even denied that man of the young men who today play a prominent part in it have previously been communists or socialists. And to any observer of the literary tendencies which made the Germans intelligentsia ready to join the ranks of the new party, it must be clear that the common characteristic of all the politically influential writers – in many cases free from definite party affiliations – was their anti-liberal and anti-capitalist trend. Groups like that formed around the review “Die Tat” have made the phrase “the end of capitalism” an accepted dogma to most young Germans.[3]

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The Myth of "Nazi Capitalism" | Chris Calton

German socialism, as Mises defines it, differs from what he called “socialism of the Russian pattern” in that “it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange.” However, this is only a superficial system of private ownership because through a complete system of economic intervention and control, the entrepreneurial function of the property owners is completely controlled by the State. By this, Mises means that shop owners do not speculate about future events for the purpose of allocating resources in the pursuit of profits. Just like in the Soviet Union, this entrepreneurial speculation and resource allocation is done by a single entity, the State, and economic calculation is thus impossible.

“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”

Read A Pile Of Top Nazis Talking About How They Love Leftist Marxism

The Nazis were leftists. This statement is blasphemy to the academic-media complex, since everyone knows the Nazis were degenerate right-wingers fueled by toxic capitalism and racism. But evidence Adolf Hitler’s gang were men of the left, while debatable, is compelling.
The dispute on Nazi origins resurfaced through the confluence of brawling alt-right and antifa fringe movements and recent alternative histories by Dinesh D’Souza and others. The vitriol and lack of candor it produces from supposedly fact-driven academics and media is disturbing, if unsurprising. They stifle dissent on touchy subjects to maintain their narrative and enforce cultural hegemony.

However uncomfortable to opinion shapers, alternative views of the Third Reich exist and were written by the finest minds of their time. Opinions from the period perhaps carry more weight because they are unburdened by the aftermath of the uniquely heinous Nazi crimes.
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Also, Adolf Hitler Loved Karl Marx
It wasn’t only theoretical. Hitler repeatedly praised Marx privately, stating he had “learned a great deal from Marxism.” The trouble with the Weimar Republic, he said, was that its politicians “had never even read Marx.” He also stated his differences with communists were that they were intellectual types passing out pamphlets, whereas “I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun.”

It wasn’t just privately that Hitler’s fealty for Marx surfaced. In “Mein Kampf,” he states that without his racial insights National Socialism “would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground.” Nor did Hitler eschew this sentiment once reaching power. As late as 1941, with the war in bloom, he stated “basically National Socialism and Marxism are the same” in a speech published by the Royal Institute of International Affairs.

Nazi propaganda minister and resident intellectual Joseph Goebbels wrote in his diary that the Nazis would install “real socialism” after Russia’s defeat in the East. And Hitler favorite Albert Speer, the Nazi armaments minister whose memoir became an international bestseller, wrote that Hitler viewed Joseph Stalin as a kindred spirit, ensuring his prisoner of war son received good treatment, and even talked of keeping Stalin in power in a puppet government after Germany’s eventual triumph. His views on Great Britain’s Winston Churchill and the United States’s Franklin Delano Roosevelt were decidedly less kind.

Nazi and Communist Hatred of Each Other Was Brotherly
Despite this, there’s a persistent claim that Nazis and communists hated each other, and mention that the Nazis persecuted socialists and oppressed trade unions. These things are true, but prove little. The camps’ hatred stemmed from familiarity. It was internecine, the nastiest kind.

The Nazis and communists were not only in a struggle for street-war supremacy, but also recruits. These recruits were easily turned, because both sides were fighting for the same men. Hayek recalls

Right wingers prefer socialism on a national and international basis not free market capitalism like they allege in socialism threads.

 

[Rigby5]

...Hey, genius...you have no room to talk... The Europeans banned and confiscated guns after WW1.....then the German socialists murdered 12 million unarmed Europeans... Excuse us if we don't take your dumb opinions seriously....

The Nazis were 'socialists' in name only... in truth, they were hyper-right-wing ultra-nationalists operating under false colors.

First can I say one thing... NAZIs didn't ban guns, they actually loosened the gun laws in Germany.

No, gun control regulation in Nazi Germany did not help advance the Holocaust

On March 13, 2018, gun control activists laid 7,000 pairs of shoes on the lawn outside the Capitol in D.C. to represent

www.politifact.com

https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=4029&context=flr

Nazi gun control argument - Wikipedia

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NAZIs were also not socialists... They were Nationalists and far right wing... I know this is hard for some here but saying NAZIs are socialists at this stage is just showing us how ignorant of history you are and pretty much nothing else. Every point after that has a prefix that you don't know what you are talking about. You are like a boy who eats worms giving a nutrition class...

The idea German fascists did not benefit from gun control is actually false.
While it is true the Fascists after Hitler took control loosened up gun laws instead of making them more strict, it was too late by then.
The Fascists took over by murdering the opposition, like the Spartacus League, because the Weimar Republic has implemented strict gun control which kept the Spartacus League totally disarmed.
The Fascists were heavily armed because they used a loophole in the Weimar Republic gun control laws that allowed veteran organizations to be armed for target practice.
It was gun control that allowed the entire opposition in Germany to be murdered by the Fascists, so they could take over.
And the Fascists did not loosed gun control laws until after all the opposition were either dead or in concentration camps.

So Germany after WWI is an example of exactly how wrong and bad gun control can be.
It should make anyone totally against any federal gun control at all, if you really know the history.

But I agree with you that National Socialists are NOT at all socialists.
They were centralists though, and many people mistakenly believe socialism and centralism are the same or related, when they are not. Socialism really implies decentralization.

 

[2aguy]

...Hey, genius...you have no room to talk... The Europeans banned and confiscated guns after WW1.....then the German socialists murdered 12 million unarmed Europeans... Excuse us if we don't take your dumb opinions seriously....

The Nazis were 'socialists' in name only... in truth, they were hyper-right-wing ultra-nationalists operating under false colors.

European right-wing is not American right-wing they are the total opposite of each other
are you saying FDR was a right-winger? because at a point in time he liked Hitler hell Hitler was times man of the year

Yep....FDR was a socialist.......he was just hemmed in by our Constitution.....

But ask the Japanese, German and Italian Americans he sent to concentration camps....

Those were NOT concentration camps. They were internment camps.

Moron....they were concentration camps.......they try to hide the democrat party President, FDR, using concentration camps on Japanese, German and Italian citizens to hold law abiding citizens by calling them internment camps...you doofus....

The real difference is between concentration camps and death camps.......

Webster's New World Fourth College Edition. It defines a concentration camp as, "A prison camp in which political dissidents, members of minority ethnic groups, etc. are confined." Somewhat surprisingly, "internment camp" is not listed in the dictionary.

Euphemisms, Concentration Camps And The Japanese Internment

A listener compares the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II to the Jewish Holocaust under the Nazis and raises the question of what to call the camps used in both experiences. At stake is the power of words in framing our actions, past and future.

www.npr.org

Sorry! NPR is not a good source on any topic. Just admit that you were being over the top and talking out of your ass.

Wrong, dumb ass.......FDR put ethnic minorities in concentration camps and the left has been trying to hide that fact by renaming them internment camps........

You are a dupe, and will continue to be a dupe.

Really? How many Hispanics did he lock up?

Isn't it odd that Japanese Americans served in Europe during WWII?

Isn't it odd that very few Germans were "interned"?

I have great respect for your posts on the 2nd Amendment. Why have you chosen this topic to rival liberals in their misconceptions?

They were concentration camp.......get over it. FDR was a left wing socialist....they like to put people in camps.

The difference is between concentration camps and death camps.