Hell YES! Unions!

[HereWeGoAgain]

If you're against giving food stamps to low wage workers, just say it.

I’m waiting for you to answer the question.

Every full time worker should make enough they don’t need public assistance. That’s the only way to shrink government. All the corporate socialism is growing government.

So a full time lemonade stand worker should make 40k?

You love that big government and corporate welfare.

LOL...I love for Americans to have jobs.
I guess you were against the barry auto bailout.....

Well you repubs just add it to the debt so no problem right?

WTF does that have to do with barry's auto bailout?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

LOL....There were no car or truck manufacturers in the South,now there are a bunch of em. Wonder why........

You said hondas and Toyotas were so expensive yet there's only a thousand dollar difference between the Ford and the Toyota.

You keep contradicting yourself.
First you tell us car manufacturers didnt move south and then you talk about cars made in the south. So which is it?

What the fuck does this even mean?

"Of course they did you stupid fuck. They insisted the employees pay well."

Yes, they pay those southern workers a lot less. And there are a lot less Honda employees in the Honda plant than there are For

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH?

$15 an hour to put a fry basket into the oil is too much.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees.

Is that why you mentioned revenues instead of profits?

Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps.

If they weren't working at WalMart, would they get more foodstamps/welfare or less?

Then you don't understand what made America great. My dad, and all those blue collar auto workers weren't "worth" what they were being paid if you asked YOU TRUMP a Corporation or any Republican. We know this. So stop with the MAGA bullshit. You have no idea what made America great or why it's not great today.

It was great because of social security and medicare. Never before did middle class and poor people have it so good. You want to take these things again you assholes.

Unions made Michigan the greatest state to be in for decades. Of course Bush 1 invented NAFTA with the goal of shipping all those good paying jobs down south.

And now you're crying about paying $15? Well I'm sorry but my dad and none of those auto workers were worth what they were paid. But CEO's today aren't worth what they are paid. But who's to say? Today, the CEO says what everyone is paid. And the BOD. When America was great labor had a seat at the fucking table.

If America was not great in 2015 I doubt it's great for you today. For me, America was great again once Obama got us out of Bush's recession. And the 2000's were a horrible decade for manufacturing and America. The Clinton 8 years were great too.

Trump took over an already great economy. Trump said it wasn't good enough because Obama didn't have over 3% growth. Guess what Trump had after that Tax break he gave the rich? You would think that tax break would have sparked a golden age of economic growth but guess the fuck what he got for it last year? 2.3% growth.

Fucking idiots. But we all know all you idiots care about really is god gays guns and racism. Southern white poor racists and ignorant whites racists up north don't care that they'll never get to retire. Or if they care they'll blame democrats for the cuts. Idiots I tell you! MAGA my ficking ass.

Unions made Michigan the greatest state to be in for decades.

And then unions destroyed it.

And now you're crying about paying $15?

You're free to buy a McD's franchise and pay the low-skilled workers $15/hr and up.
Help them unionize.
And then post your fabulous profits.

Trump took over an already great economy.

1.6% GDP in 2016 was okay, not great.

Auto execs ruined it.

By giving in to ridiculous union demands.

By signing off on cars nobody wanted. Big gas guzzling garbage. The market had changed and the execs didn’t.

By signing off on cars nobody wanted. Big gas guzzling garbage.

Harder to design and build new cars when you have the UAW.

The market had changed and the execs didn’t.

The market had changed and the unions didn’t.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You never said if food stamp recipients would use more government benefits or less if they stopped working at WalMart.

Because the answer is obvious. Thanks Walmart for paying them enough that they don't get full food stamps. Such a good corporation. It must have a heart. LOL.

How about pay them enough so they don't need any foodstamps?

Because the answer is obvious. Thanks Walmart for paying them enough that they don't get full food stamps.

Are you admitting employment at WalMart reduces government spending on food stamps?

The waltons make billions from that labor, it shouldn’t be subsidized by tax payers,

The waltons make billions

They own a company that successfully meets customer demands.

it shouldn’t be subsidized by tax payers,

It isn't. But if you want to end the food stamp program, just say so.

Oh it is in many ways. But you keep rooting for corporate socialism.

Oh it is in many ways.

Stick it to those mean corporations......end food stamps!

 

[Brain357]

Yes, they pay those southern workers a lot less. And there are a lot less Honda employees in the Honda plant than there are For
Then you don't understand what made America great. My dad, and all those blue collar auto workers weren't "worth" what they were being paid if you asked YOU TRUMP a Corporation or any Republican. We know this. So stop with the MAGA bullshit. You have no idea what made America great or why it's not great today.

It was great because of social security and medicare. Never before did middle class and poor people have it so good. You want to take these things again you assholes.

Unions made Michigan the greatest state to be in for decades. Of course Bush 1 invented NAFTA with the goal of shipping all those good paying jobs down south.

And now you're crying about paying $15? Well I'm sorry but my dad and none of those auto workers were worth what they were paid. But CEO's today aren't worth what they are paid. But who's to say? Today, the CEO says what everyone is paid. And the BOD. When America was great labor had a seat at the fucking table.

If America was not great in 2015 I doubt it's great for you today. For me, America was great again once Obama got us out of Bush's recession. And the 2000's were a horrible decade for manufacturing and America. The Clinton 8 years were great too.

Trump took over an already great economy. Trump said it wasn't good enough because Obama didn't have over 3% growth. Guess what Trump had after that Tax break he gave the rich? You would think that tax break would have sparked a golden age of economic growth but guess the fuck what he got for it last year? 2.3% growth.

Fucking idiots. But we all know all you idiots care about really is god gays guns and racism. Southern white poor racists and ignorant whites racists up north don't care that they'll never get to retire. Or if they care they'll blame democrats for the cuts. Idiots I tell you! MAGA my ficking ass.

Unions made Michigan the greatest state to be in for decades.

And then unions destroyed it.

And now you're crying about paying $15?

You're free to buy a McD's franchise and pay the low-skilled workers $15/hr and up.
Help them unionize.
And then post your fabulous profits.

Trump took over an already great economy.

1.6% GDP in 2016 was okay, not great.

Auto execs ruined it.

By giving in to ridiculous union demands.

By signing off on cars nobody wanted. Big gas guzzling garbage. The market had changed and the execs didn’t.

By signing off on cars nobody wanted. Big gas guzzling garbage.

Harder to design and build new cars when you have the UAW.

The market had changed and the execs didn’t.

The market had changed and the unions didn’t.

The unions didn't decide what cars to build. That was the execs and they chose very wrong.

 

[Brain357]

Because the answer is obvious. Thanks Walmart for paying them enough that they don't get full food stamps. Such a good corporation. It must have a heart. LOL.

How about pay them enough so they don't need any foodstamps?

Because the answer is obvious. Thanks Walmart for paying them enough that they don't get full food stamps.

Are you admitting employment at WalMart reduces government spending on food stamps?

The waltons make billions from that labor, it shouldn’t be subsidized by tax payers,

The waltons make billions

They own a company that successfully meets customer demands.

it shouldn’t be subsidized by tax payers,

It isn't. But if you want to end the food stamp program, just say so.

Oh it is in many ways. But you keep rooting for corporate socialism.

Oh it is in many ways.

Stick it to those mean corporations......end food stamps!

End corporate welfare.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Unions made Michigan the greatest state to be in for decades.

And then unions destroyed it.

And now you're crying about paying $15?

You're free to buy a McD's franchise and pay the low-skilled workers $15/hr and up.
Help them unionize.
And then post your fabulous profits.

Trump took over an already great economy.

1.6% GDP in 2016 was okay, not great.

Auto execs ruined it.

By giving in to ridiculous union demands.

By signing off on cars nobody wanted. Big gas guzzling garbage. The market had changed and the execs didn’t.

By signing off on cars nobody wanted. Big gas guzzling garbage.

Harder to design and build new cars when you have the UAW.

The market had changed and the execs didn’t.

The market had changed and the unions didn’t.

The unions didn't decide what cars to build. That was the execs and they chose very wrong.

Designing and building news cars is expensive.
More expensive when you have stupid, inflexible union work rules to deal with.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Because the answer is obvious. Thanks Walmart for paying them enough that they don't get full food stamps.

Are you admitting employment at WalMart reduces government spending on food stamps?

The waltons make billions from that labor, it shouldn’t be subsidized by tax payers,

The waltons make billions

They own a company that successfully meets customer demands.

it shouldn’t be subsidized by tax payers,

It isn't. But if you want to end the food stamp program, just say so.

Oh it is in many ways. But you keep rooting for corporate socialism.

Oh it is in many ways.

Stick it to those mean corporations......end food stamps!

End corporate welfare.

Sounds good to me.

 

[Brain357]

Auto execs ruined it.

By giving in to ridiculous union demands.

By signing off on cars nobody wanted. Big gas guzzling garbage. The market had changed and the execs didn’t.

By signing off on cars nobody wanted. Big gas guzzling garbage.

Harder to design and build new cars when you have the UAW.

The market had changed and the execs didn’t.

The market had changed and the unions didn’t.

The unions didn't decide what cars to build. That was the execs and they chose very wrong.

Designing and building news cars is expensive.
More expensive when you have stupid, inflexible union work rules to deal with.

It's cute how you make up excuses for incompetent execs.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

By giving in to ridiculous union demands.

By signing off on cars nobody wanted. Big gas guzzling garbage. The market had changed and the execs didn’t.

By signing off on cars nobody wanted. Big gas guzzling garbage.

Harder to design and build new cars when you have the UAW.

The market had changed and the execs didn’t.

The market had changed and the unions didn’t.

The unions didn't decide what cars to build. That was the execs and they chose very wrong.

Designing and building news cars is expensive.
More expensive when you have stupid, inflexible union work rules to deal with.

It's cute how you make up excuses for incompetent execs.

I agree, they never should have signed those union contracts.

 

[Brain357]

The waltons make billions from that labor, it shouldn’t be subsidized by tax payers,

The waltons make billions

They own a company that successfully meets customer demands.

it shouldn’t be subsidized by tax payers,

It isn't. But if you want to end the food stamp program, just say so.

Oh it is in many ways. But you keep rooting for corporate socialism.

Oh it is in many ways.

Stick it to those mean corporations......end food stamps!

End corporate welfare.

Sounds good to me.

Great. Lets tax corporations for any welfare received by employees. That should fix the problem and help deficits.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The waltons make billions

They own a company that successfully meets customer demands.

it shouldn’t be subsidized by tax payers,

It isn't. But if you want to end the food stamp program, just say so.

Oh it is in many ways. But you keep rooting for corporate socialism.

Oh it is in many ways.

Stick it to those mean corporations......end food stamps!

End corporate welfare.

Sounds good to me.

Great. Lets tax corporations for any welfare received by employees. That should fix the problem and help deficits.

Lets tax corporations for any welfare received by employees. That should fix the problem and help deficits

Lets end any welfare received by employees. That should fix the problem and help deficits

 

[Brain357]

By signing off on cars nobody wanted. Big gas guzzling garbage. The market had changed and the execs didn’t.

By signing off on cars nobody wanted. Big gas guzzling garbage.

Harder to design and build new cars when you have the UAW.

The market had changed and the execs didn’t.

The market had changed and the unions didn’t.

The unions didn't decide what cars to build. That was the execs and they chose very wrong.

Designing and building news cars is expensive.
More expensive when you have stupid, inflexible union work rules to deal with.

It's cute how you make up excuses for incompetent execs.

I agree, they never should have signed those union contracts.

haha. And they should have picked good cars to manufacture.

When trump says make America great again, when do you want to go back to? We had strong unions during the periods of greatness that I see. The republican war on unions has been a big loser....

 

[Brain357]

Oh it is in many ways. But you keep rooting for corporate socialism.

Oh it is in many ways.

Stick it to those mean corporations......end food stamps!

End corporate welfare.

Sounds good to me.

Great. Lets tax corporations for any welfare received by employees. That should fix the problem and help deficits.

Lets tax corporations for any welfare received by employees. That should fix the problem and help deficits

Lets end any welfare received by employees. That should fix the problem and help deficits

Yes, go after the poor rather than the greedy rich. How elitist of you.

 

[Brain357]

Auto execs ruined it.

By giving in to ridiculous union demands.

By signing off on cars nobody wanted. Big gas guzzling garbage. The market had changed and the execs didn’t.

By signing off on cars nobody wanted. Big gas guzzling garbage.

Harder to design and build new cars when you have the UAW.

The market had changed and the execs didn’t.

The market had changed and the unions didn’t.

The unions didn't decide what cars to build. That was the execs and they chose very wrong.

Designing and building news cars is expensive.
More expensive when you have stupid, inflexible union work rules to deal with.

Those execs must have been doing nothing for those big wages. Go figure.

 

[Vastator]

(WSJ) — Detroit was once America’s fourth largest city, though today large sections of its inner core are abandoned to the elements, and monuments like Michigan Central Station are returning to dust. Another emblem of civic decline is a plan to desert nearly half of Detroit’s public schools so that it can afford to fulfill its teachers union contract.
The school district is facing a $327 million deficit and has already closed 59 schools over the last two years to avoid paying maintenance, utility and operating costs. Under a worst-case scenario released this week by Robert Bobb, an emergency financial manager appointed by the state to resolve the Detroit education fisc, the district will close another 70 of its remaining 142 schools to save $31.3 million through 2013.
“Additional savings of approximately $12.4 million can be achieved from school closures if the District simply abandons the closed buildings,” the proposal explains, purging costs like boarding up buildings, storage and security patrols.
Steven Wasko, a spokesman for Mr. Bobb, said that urban property sales have been difficult, in part because until recently the state board of education banned transactions with “competing educational institutions” like charter schools. Once buildings are deserted, even if the doors and windows are welded shut with protective metal covers, scavengers break in and dismantle them for copper wire, pipes and so on.
Under the emergency plan, consolidated high-school class sizes would increase to 62 by 2014, “consistent with what students would expect in large university settings.” Yet under the terms of the Detroit Federation of Teachers contract, the district must pay bonuses for class enrollment over 35, thus imposing some $11.1 million in new costs through 2014.
Note that this dispensation carries about the same price tag as the school abandonment windfall: In other words, Detroit may end up destroying serviceable capital assets so it can pay its public workers more over the short term.
Continue reading »
​

OMG, I was telling someone the other day people who work for Grocery Stores and Fast Food need to organize. Auto workers did it and those auto companies had to pay profit sharing, fair wages, healthcare and even pensions. Now I'm not asking McD to give pensions or even 401K matching but they could pay better or give profit sharing when they make a profit. Sick days, vacation days, maternaty leave. It would be great if MCD and Walmart jobs turned out to be good paying jobs for blue collar workers. That would be a dream.

But, this is another example of why us voters are fucking idiots for voting Republican. We allowed Bush and Trump to pack the courts with right wing nut jobs.

The Trump Labor Board Is Making It Harder For Fast-Food Workers To Unionize | HuffPost

And what have we seen over the past few decades? We've seen a court that favors corporations over We the People every time.

The National Labor Relations Board is releasing a long-awaited rule that will make it harder for workers in fast food and other industries to bargain collectively, delivering another win for employers and a setback to worker groups.

The regulation will limit the scenarios under which corporations are considered “joint employers” alongside other companies they have a relationship with. For example, McDonald’s would likely not qualify as a joint employer with its franchisees, making it tougher for workers at different franchised restaurants to join together as employees of McDonald’s.

The new rule reverses a determination made five years ago, when the board had a majority of Democrats and tended to rule in favor of workers.

The previous, looser definition of joint employment had infuriated the fast-food industry because it put companies like McDonald’s and Burger King potentially on the hook for labor violations in franchised restaurants. It also opened the door to workers across entire brands coming together to improve their working conditions and possibly unionize.


See folks, Republicans are anti worker. This is just one way they've held wages down. And they've been attacking unions hard since 2000. Just watch all the anti union Republicans that will chime in next.

No fucking way I’d cede my life’s vision, and effort to someone I freely employed to perpetuate my directives. If you’re so clever ... Pony up your own cash to get your start up turning profits....

 

[sealybobo]

Auto execs ruined it.

By giving in to ridiculous union demands.

By signing off on cars nobody wanted. Big gas guzzling garbage. The market had changed and the execs didn’t.

By signing off on cars nobody wanted. Big gas guzzling garbage.

Harder to design and build new cars when you have the UAW.

The market had changed and the execs didn’t.

The market had changed and the unions didn’t.

The unions didn't decide what cars to build. That was the execs and they chose very wrong.

Designing and building news cars is expensive.
More expensive when you have stupid, inflexible union work rules to deal with.

Some truth to this. Union workers in socialist countries don’t act like American lazy drunk drug addicted white blue collar. This was truly an American thing.

 

[sealybobo]

(WSJ) — Detroit was once America’s fourth largest city, though today large sections of its inner core are abandoned to the elements, and monuments like Michigan Central Station are returning to dust. Another emblem of civic decline is a plan to desert nearly half of Detroit’s public schools so that it can afford to fulfill its teachers union contract.
The school district is facing a $327 million deficit and has already closed 59 schools over the last two years to avoid paying maintenance, utility and operating costs. Under a worst-case scenario released this week by Robert Bobb, an emergency financial manager appointed by the state to resolve the Detroit education fisc, the district will close another 70 of its remaining 142 schools to save $31.3 million through 2013.
“Additional savings of approximately $12.4 million can be achieved from school closures if the District simply abandons the closed buildings,” the proposal explains, purging costs like boarding up buildings, storage and security patrols.
Steven Wasko, a spokesman for Mr. Bobb, said that urban property sales have been difficult, in part because until recently the state board of education banned transactions with “competing educational institutions” like charter schools. Once buildings are deserted, even if the doors and windows are welded shut with protective metal covers, scavengers break in and dismantle them for copper wire, pipes and so on.
Under the emergency plan, consolidated high-school class sizes would increase to 62 by 2014, “consistent with what students would expect in large university settings.” Yet under the terms of the Detroit Federation of Teachers contract, the district must pay bonuses for class enrollment over 35, thus imposing some $11.1 million in new costs through 2014.
Note that this dispensation carries about the same price tag as the school abandonment windfall: In other words, Detroit may end up destroying serviceable capital assets so it can pay its public workers more over the short term.
Continue reading »
​

OMG, I was telling someone the other day people who work for Grocery Stores and Fast Food need to organize. Auto workers did it and those auto companies had to pay profit sharing, fair wages, healthcare and even pensions. Now I'm not asking McD to give pensions or even 401K matching but they could pay better or give profit sharing when they make a profit. Sick days, vacation days, maternaty leave. It would be great if MCD and Walmart jobs turned out to be good paying jobs for blue collar workers. That would be a dream.

But, this is another example of why us voters are fucking idiots for voting Republican. We allowed Bush and Trump to pack the courts with right wing nut jobs.

The Trump Labor Board Is Making It Harder For Fast-Food Workers To Unionize | HuffPost

And what have we seen over the past few decades? We've seen a court that favors corporations over We the People every time.

The National Labor Relations Board is releasing a long-awaited rule that will make it harder for workers in fast food and other industries to bargain collectively, delivering another win for employers and a setback to worker groups.

The regulation will limit the scenarios under which corporations are considered “joint employers” alongside other companies they have a relationship with. For example, McDonald’s would likely not qualify as a joint employer with its franchisees, making it tougher for workers at different franchised restaurants to join together as employees of McDonald’s.

The new rule reverses a determination made five years ago, when the board had a majority of Democrats and tended to rule in favor of workers.

The previous, looser definition of joint employment had infuriated the fast-food industry because it put companies like McDonald’s and Burger King potentially on the hook for labor violations in franchised restaurants. It also opened the door to workers across entire brands coming together to improve their working conditions and possibly unionize.


See folks, Republicans are anti worker. This is just one way they've held wages down. And they've been attacking unions hard since 2000. Just watch all the anti union Republicans that will chime in next.

No fucking way I’d cede my life’s vision, and effort to someone I freely employed to perpetuate my directives. If you’re so clever ... Pony up your own cash to get your start up turning profits....

Well if your employees organized because you weren’t sharing the profits, they’d strike and cost you money.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Oh it is in many ways.

Stick it to those mean corporations......end food stamps!

End corporate welfare.

Sounds good to me.

Great. Lets tax corporations for any welfare received by employees. That should fix the problem and help deficits.

Lets tax corporations for any welfare received by employees. That should fix the problem and help deficits

Lets end any welfare received by employees. That should fix the problem and help deficits

Yes, go after the poor rather than the greedy rich. How elitist of you.

If WalMart fired all the food stamp recipients, think of all the savings to government.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

(WSJ) — Detroit was once America’s fourth largest city, though today large sections of its inner core are abandoned to the elements, and monuments like Michigan Central Station are returning to dust. Another emblem of civic decline is a plan to desert nearly half of Detroit’s public schools so that it can afford to fulfill its teachers union contract.
The school district is facing a $327 million deficit and has already closed 59 schools over the last two years to avoid paying maintenance, utility and operating costs. Under a worst-case scenario released this week by Robert Bobb, an emergency financial manager appointed by the state to resolve the Detroit education fisc, the district will close another 70 of its remaining 142 schools to save $31.3 million through 2013.
“Additional savings of approximately $12.4 million can be achieved from school closures if the District simply abandons the closed buildings,” the proposal explains, purging costs like boarding up buildings, storage and security patrols.
Steven Wasko, a spokesman for Mr. Bobb, said that urban property sales have been difficult, in part because until recently the state board of education banned transactions with “competing educational institutions” like charter schools. Once buildings are deserted, even if the doors and windows are welded shut with protective metal covers, scavengers break in and dismantle them for copper wire, pipes and so on.
Under the emergency plan, consolidated high-school class sizes would increase to 62 by 2014, “consistent with what students would expect in large university settings.” Yet under the terms of the Detroit Federation of Teachers contract, the district must pay bonuses for class enrollment over 35, thus imposing some $11.1 million in new costs through 2014.
Note that this dispensation carries about the same price tag as the school abandonment windfall: In other words, Detroit may end up destroying serviceable capital assets so it can pay its public workers more over the short term.
Continue reading »
​

OMG, I was telling someone the other day people who work for Grocery Stores and Fast Food need to organize. Auto workers did it and those auto companies had to pay profit sharing, fair wages, healthcare and even pensions. Now I'm not asking McD to give pensions or even 401K matching but they could pay better or give profit sharing when they make a profit. Sick days, vacation days, maternaty leave. It would be great if MCD and Walmart jobs turned out to be good paying jobs for blue collar workers. That would be a dream.

But, this is another example of why us voters are fucking idiots for voting Republican. We allowed Bush and Trump to pack the courts with right wing nut jobs.

The Trump Labor Board Is Making It Harder For Fast-Food Workers To Unionize | HuffPost

And what have we seen over the past few decades? We've seen a court that favors corporations over We the People every time.

The National Labor Relations Board is releasing a long-awaited rule that will make it harder for workers in fast food and other industries to bargain collectively, delivering another win for employers and a setback to worker groups.

The regulation will limit the scenarios under which corporations are considered “joint employers” alongside other companies they have a relationship with. For example, McDonald’s would likely not qualify as a joint employer with its franchisees, making it tougher for workers at different franchised restaurants to join together as employees of McDonald’s.

The new rule reverses a determination made five years ago, when the board had a majority of Democrats and tended to rule in favor of workers.

The previous, looser definition of joint employment had infuriated the fast-food industry because it put companies like McDonald’s and Burger King potentially on the hook for labor violations in franchised restaurants. It also opened the door to workers across entire brands coming together to improve their working conditions and possibly unionize.


See folks, Republicans are anti worker. This is just one way they've held wages down. And they've been attacking unions hard since 2000. Just watch all the anti union Republicans that will chime in next.

No fucking way I’d cede my life’s vision, and effort to someone I freely employed to perpetuate my directives. If you’re so clever ... Pony up your own cash to get your start up turning profits....

Well if your employees organized because you weren’t sharing the profits, they’d strike and cost you money.

Why should employers, like WalMart, share their profits?

 

[Brain357]

End corporate welfare.

Sounds good to me.

Great. Lets tax corporations for any welfare received by employees. That should fix the problem and help deficits.

Lets tax corporations for any welfare received by employees. That should fix the problem and help deficits

Lets end any welfare received by employees. That should fix the problem and help deficits

Yes, go after the poor rather than the greedy rich. How elitist of you.

If WalMart fired all the food stamp recipients, think of all the savings to government.

The Waltons have more than enough to pay them so they aren't on food stamps. And they are working harder than the waltons.