Hitler, Fascism and the right wing

[dcraelin]

Perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle. Here is Orwell on the topic in 1940

Orwell in a Mein Kampf review talking about an english edition "edited from a pro-Hitler angle". "For at that date Hitler was still respectable. He had crushed the German labour movement, and for that the property-owning classes were willing to forgive him almost anything. Both Left and Right concurred in the very shallow notion that National Socialism was merely a version of Conservatism."

I can see 'conservativism' being used in the context of preserving the race but their government encompassed virtually every aspect of life. If you could work, you did work and you worked for the state, for the good of the state, doing what they said for the salary they said. That's a socialist system and it's why they named the party the way they did.

All of this has nothing to do with American conservatives here and now. Which I suspect was the true goal of the OP.

I certainly dont see crushing the labour movement as being socialist. I dont think many people would.

 

[dcraelin]

Perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle. Here is Orwell on the topic in 1940

Orwell in a Mein Kampf review talking about an english edition "edited from a pro-Hitler angle". "For at that date Hitler was still respectable. He had crushed the German labour movement, and for that the property-owning classes were willing to forgive him almost anything. Both Left and Right concurred in the very shallow notion that National Socialism was merely a version of Conservatism."

He crushed the labor movement, then government controlled labor. And you see that as anti-socialist? Seriously?

? Seriously?....yes seriously...and I think the vast majority of people in the world would see it that way too.

 

[bripat9643]

Perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle. Here is Orwell on the topic in 1940

Orwell in a Mein Kampf review talking about an english edition "edited from a pro-Hitler angle". "For at that date Hitler was still respectable. He had crushed the German labour movement, and for that the property-owning classes were willing to forgive him almost anything. Both Left and Right concurred in the very shallow notion that National Socialism was merely a version of Conservatism."

I can see 'conservativism' being used in the context of preserving the race but their government encompassed virtually every aspect of life. If you could work, you did work and you worked for the state, for the good of the state, doing what they said for the salary they said. That's a socialist system and it's why they named the party the way they did.

All of this has nothing to do with American conservatives here and now. Which I suspect was the true goal of the OP.

I certainly dont see crushing the labour movement as being socialist. I dont think many people would.

So Stalin wasn't a socialist? Is that what you're trying to say?

 

[g5000]

Moving on to New York, we find another group of left wingers:

BLACKS HAVE BEEN OPPRESSED LONG ENOUGH!!!

Their uniforms don't prove a thing about their views on economics.

FAIL!

Tell us the people in the photos I have posted are left wingers.

Please.

We need your seven pounds of brain damage unequivocally documented.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UYlBMh5hqX0/TMhGfJ2HHAI/AAAAAAAAAhg/uD2tkeo0ms0/s1600/110296.jpg

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/rally08_mp_web_t607.jpeg

 

[bripat9643]

Moving on to New York, we find another group of left wingers:

BLACKS HAVE BEEN OPPRESSED LONG ENOUGH!!!

Their uniforms don't prove a thing about their views on economics.

FAIL!

Tell us the people in the photos I have posted are left wingers.

Please.

We need your seven pounds of brain damage unequivocally documented.

You're too much of an idiot to waste time on.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Some people get all wee-weed up about Uncle Adolf as a Left Winger. Stalin and Mao, are cool, but Hitler?!

 

[dcraelin]

Perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle. Here is Orwell on the topic in 1940

Orwell in a Mein Kampf review talking about an english edition "edited from a pro-Hitler angle". "For at that date Hitler was still respectable. He had crushed the German labour movement, and for that the property-owning classes were willing to forgive him almost anything. Both Left and Right concurred in the very shallow notion that National Socialism was merely a version of Conservatism."

I can see 'conservativism' being used in the context of preserving the race but their government encompassed virtually every aspect of life. If you could work, you did work and you worked for the state, for the good of the state, doing what they said for the salary they said. That's a socialist system and it's why they named the party the way they did.

All of this has nothing to do with American conservatives here and now. Which I suspect was the true goal of the OP.

I certainly dont see crushing the labour movement as being socialist. I dont think many people would.

So Stalin wasn't a socialist? Is that what you're trying to say?

Well most of the world agrees he wasn't socialist, he didnt call himself a socialist either...he was a communist, tho that too is a mistake, a twisted up political word. He was the head of a self-interested aristocracy.

 

[g5000]

Moving on to New York, we find another group of left wingers:

BLACKS HAVE BEEN OPPRESSED LONG ENOUGH!!!

Their uniforms don't prove a thing about their views on economics.

FAIL!

Tell us the people in the photos I have posted are left wingers.

Please.

We need your seven pounds of brain damage unequivocally documented.

You're too much of an idiot to waste time on.

Coward. You can't do it, because you know they are far right wingers. Your idiocy has been cornered and so you run.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UYlBMh5hqX0/TMhGfJ2HHAI/AAAAAAAAAhg/uD2tkeo0ms0/s1600/110296.jpg

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/rally08_mp_web_t607.jpeg

 

[g5000]

I actually can tell you all about those far right wingers' economic beliefs, Bripat. What you are too stubborn to admit to yourself is the full picture. You see, I spent quite a bit of time around assholes like that. I know them intimately. I know every argument they make, and every belief they hold. Far, far better than you ever will. This is how I have no doubt they are right wing. You are too chickenshit to face the truth about them.

You are too chickenshit to admit to yourself you are wrong and that these people are so clearly far right wing:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UYlBMh5hqX0/TMhGfJ2HHAI/AAAAAAAAAhg/uD2tkeo0ms0/s1600/110296.jpg

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/rally08_mp_web_t607.jpeg

 

[g5000]

I know these Nazis so well that I can break them down into their subgroups. I know them right down to their clothing and musical preferences. I know their stupid little code words and the special flavor of the worms that crawl around in their skulls. I've heard their juvenile poetry and seen their profound confirmation bias in action.

This is how I know the retards who have bought into the "Nazis are left wing" meme are as stunted and as credulous and as stupid as the little nazis themselves.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UYlBMh5hqX0/TMhGfJ2HHAI/AAAAAAAAAhg/uD2tkeo0ms0/s1600/110296.jpg

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/rally08_mp_web_t607.jpeg

 

[JoeNormal]

Moving on to New York, we find another group of left wingers:

BLACKS HAVE BEEN OPPRESSED LONG ENOUGH!!!

Their uniforms don't prove a thing about their views on economics.

FAIL!

Tell us the people in the photos I have posted are left wingers.

Please.

We need your seven pounds of brain damage unequivocally documented.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UYlBMh5hqX0/TMhGfJ2HHAI/AAAAAAAAAhg/uD2tkeo0ms0/s1600/110296.jpg

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/rally08_mp_web_t607.jpeg

That's classic!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Moving on to New York, we find another group of left wingers:

BLACKS HAVE BEEN OPPRESSED LONG ENOUGH!!!

Their uniforms don't prove a thing about their views on economics.

FAIL!

Tell us the people in the photos I have posted are left wingers.

Please.

We need your seven pounds of brain damage unequivocally documented.

You're too much of an idiot to waste time on.

Coward. You can't do it, because you know they are far right wingers. Your idiocy has been cornered and so you run.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UYlBMh5hqX0/TMhGfJ2HHAI/AAAAAAAAAhg/uD2tkeo0ms0/s1600/110296.jpg

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/rally08_mp_web_t607.jpeg

You're such a fucking lying scumbag.

They're only "Right Wingers" because that how Progressives classify them

 

[JoeNormal]

Moving on to New York, we find another group of left wingers:

BLACKS HAVE BEEN OPPRESSED LONG ENOUGH!!!

Their uniforms don't prove a thing about their views on economics.

FAIL!

Tell us the people in the photos I have posted are left wingers.

Please.

We need your seven pounds of brain damage unequivocally documented.

You're too much of an idiot to waste time on.

Coward. You can't do it, because you know they are far right wingers. Your idiocy has been cornered and so you run.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UYlBMh5hqX0/TMhGfJ2HHAI/AAAAAAAAAhg/uD2tkeo0ms0/s1600/110296.jpg

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/rally08_mp_web_t607.jpeg

You're such a fucking lying scumbag.

They're only "Right Wingers" because that how Progressives classify them

G5000 is an Eisenhower republican - not a progressive. Just own it. Just because Hitler was right wing doesn't mean that you and your ilk will be sending people to the gas chambers.

 

[Iceweasel]

Perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle. Here is Orwell on the topic in 1940

Orwell in a Mein Kampf review talking about an english edition "edited from a pro-Hitler angle". "For at that date Hitler was still respectable. He had crushed the German labour movement, and for that the property-owning classes were willing to forgive him almost anything. Both Left and Right concurred in the very shallow notion that National Socialism was merely a version of Conservatism."

I can see 'conservativism' being used in the context of preserving the race but their government encompassed virtually every aspect of life. If you could work, you did work and you worked for the state, for the good of the state, doing what they said for the salary they said. That's a socialist system and it's why they named the party the way they did.

All of this has nothing to do with American conservatives here and now. Which I suspect was the true goal of the OP.

I certainly dont see crushing the labour movement as being socialist. I dont think many people would.

Can you support that? I supported my view that they did just the opposite. They were the workers party. They did away with unions because there WERE the union! I also posted that it is how they initially gained support of the masses.

Your turn.

 

[Iceweasel]

I know these Nazis so well that I can break them down into their subgroups. I know them right down to their clothing and musical preferences. I know their stupid little code words and the special flavor of the worms that crawl around in their skulls. I've heard their juvenile poetry and seen their profound confirmation bias in action.

This is how I know the retards who have bought into the "Nazis are left wing" meme are as stunted and as credulous and as stupid as the little nazis themselves.

Wow. You are at least 90 years old. I had no idea. Can you name some of the party members? You do remember their names, right?

 

[g5000]

I know these Nazis so well that I can break them down into their subgroups. I know them right down to their clothing and musical preferences. I know their stupid little code words and the special flavor of the worms that crawl around in their skulls. I've heard their juvenile poetry and seen their profound confirmation bias in action.

This is how I know the retards who have bought into the "Nazis are left wing" meme are as stunted and as credulous and as stupid as the little nazis themselves.

Wow. You are at least 90 years old. I had no idea. Can you name some of the party members? You do remember their names, right?

Actually, I was taught calculus-based physics by a Nazi when I was stationed in the Deep South. One of Werner von Braun's team that helped put a man on the moon. And I am nowhere near 90. But he was.

Regardless, I am talking about their political descendants in the photos I have posted.

I see you, too, are too cowardly to say they are left wingers. Very telling. That's because you know deep down in your soul they are far right wingers.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Hey stupid....you're the one trying to overturn universally accepted history. The burden of proof is entirely on you.....obviously.

Hey stupid, show me where they say it wasn't socialism. YOU made the claim without evidence. I backed up mine.

"Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist."

The claim that "racism," "eugenics" "power" and "militarism" are right-wing is totally without any scientific merit. Woodrow Wilson was one of the leading supporters of eugenics in his day. He was also a profound racist.
As has been demonstrated time and time again in this forum, the Nazis opposed capitalism. Just about everything on your list isn't just wrong, it's hilariously wrong and the opposite of the truth.

You are one of the STUPID PARTISAN ASSHOLES and thus have no credibility.

 

[Bush92]

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)

Now perhaps you can cite the historians who substantiate your view.

Toland does with his 1976 bio of Hitler. He wrote it objectively and it evidences the leftist state of Nazi, Germany.

Another author you never read, I've read all of Toland's books and he never comes close to saying anything like that. Toland would never indulge in petty political dialectics.

But the evidence is there! Ian Kershaw lays it out pretty well too.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Their uniforms don't prove a thing about their views on economics.

FAIL!

Tell us the people in the photos I have posted are left wingers.

Please.

We need your seven pounds of brain damage unequivocally documented.

You're too much of an idiot to waste time on.

Coward. You can't do it, because you know they are far right wingers. Your idiocy has been cornered and so you run.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UYlBMh5hqX0/TMhGfJ2HHAI/AAAAAAAAAhg/uD2tkeo0ms0/s1600/110296.jpg

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/rally08_mp_web_t607.jpeg

You're such a fucking lying scumbag.

They're only "Right Wingers" because that how Progressives classify them

G5000 is an Eisenhower republican - not a progressive. Just own it. Just because Hitler was right wing doesn't mean that you and your ilk will be sending people to the gas chambers.

g5000 is a lying scumbag and he's an "Eisenhower Republican" like Starkey is a Republican.

Hitler was a government control, top down left winger, through and through. You had Hitler, Stalin and Mao all trying out different brands of left Wing Totalitarianism governance

 

[JoeNormal]

Tell us the people in the photos I have posted are left wingers.

Please.

We need your seven pounds of brain damage unequivocally documented.

You're too much of an idiot to waste time on.

Coward. You can't do it, because you know they are far right wingers. Your idiocy has been cornered and so you run.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UYlBMh5hqX0/TMhGfJ2HHAI/AAAAAAAAAhg/uD2tkeo0ms0/s1600/110296.jpg

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/rally08_mp_web_t607.jpeg

You're such a fucking lying scumbag.

They're only "Right Wingers" because that how Progressives classify them

G5000 is an Eisenhower republican - not a progressive. Just own it. Just because Hitler was right wing doesn't mean that you and your ilk will be sending people to the gas chambers.

g5000 is a lying scumbag and he's an "Eisenhower Republican" like Starkey is a Republican.

Hitler was a government control, top down left winger, through and through. You had Hitler, Stalin and Mao all trying out different brands of left Wing Totalitarianism governance

Whatever helps you sleep at night.