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Those are only the legally induced ones. There were a lot more before it was made illegal, and more before that when there were no laws, not to mention that most conceptions get flushed down the toilet. Life is brutal, deal with it.Well over 50 million in this country alone.Not huge, just necessary.The killing babies seens to be a huge thing with leftiesSo killing babies and rolling over for your enemies is left wing? Got it.Making more babies and fighting wars you don't have to is right-wing. Sorry.
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Indeed, and don't under-cook the bird.To everyone...have a happy Thanksgiving.....
So Hitler wasn't right wing by US standards. That's what we've been saying.No, big govt/small govt is a US interpretation of left and right. No one else actually bothers with this interpretation.
This is why he privatised industry right?
You have a funny idea of privatizing industry...when the nazis controlled every aspect of the economy....
OK, thanks for that. People with an ax to grind tend to latch onto words and there is an effort to make capitalism the scourge of mankind and equate it with oppression. I think it's just the opposite.I could have worded my statement better. Correction: Fascism is SIMILAR to Capitalism in that it defines a type of means of a government's purchasing goods and services. I retract the words "Fascism is actually a type of capitalism"
OK, thanks for that. People with an ax to grind tend to latch onto words and there is an effort to make capitalism the scourge of mankind and equate it with oppression. I think it's just the opposite.I could have worded my statement better. Correction: Fascism is SIMILAR to Capitalism in that it defines a type of means of a government's purchasing goods and services. I retract the words "Fascism is actually a type of capitalism"
So do I actually.....I'm curious - who here was describing capitalism as 'the scourge of mankind'?
It is funny - as I said to Bill yesterday, you guys do tend to assume everyone is lying, because you lie. That is a very poor way of looking at politics. Most people can be honest, if not 100% objective. But most people do try and stick to facts.
So, not a lot to add here -
I do think it is extremely difficult for Billc and Iceweasel to get this topic; largely because of extremely, staggeringly poor general knowledge, but also because of their willnigness to lie and their assumption that everyone else does to. When you dismiss 60+ years of recorded history as lies, you have nothing left to learn from - except extremist blogs.
For BriPat I think the issue is more sheer extremism - as someone only two steps removed from Hitler politically, it is very hard to see the man as anything but a lot further away from Military Conservatvism than he really is. And yet - BriPat has praised Pinochet in the past....a man only one step removed from Hitler.
So Hitler wasn't right wing by US standards. That's what we've been saying.No, big govt/small govt is a US interpretation of left and right. No one else actually bothers with this interpretation.
Why do you have to lie all the time?
OK, thanks for that. People with an ax to grind tend to latch onto words and there is an effort to make capitalism the scourge of mankind and equate it with oppression. I think it's just the opposite.I could have worded my statement better. Correction: Fascism is SIMILAR to Capitalism in that it defines a type of means of a government's purchasing goods and services. I retract the words "Fascism is actually a type of capitalism"
So do I actually.....I'm curious - who here was describing capitalism as 'the scourge of mankind'?
It is funny - as I said to Bill yesterday, you guys do tend to assume everyone is lying, because you lie. That is a very poor way of looking at politics. Most people can be honest, if not 100% objective. But most people do try and stick to facts.
On this board, <5% of the posters here stick to facts. Both on the left and the right. It's sickening and frightening.
This shit again!
Yes, it's been done before, I know. I started a thread on it myself a year or so back.
But the funny thing is that I've seen 3 or 4 posters making the same claim in the past couple of weeks, and I don't know why that is.
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It's actually a world-wide standard, only the leftwing professors in Europe do everything they can to muddy up the issue by brining in all sorts of irrelevancies like nationalism and racism. American pinko professors do the same thing, but they haven't polluted the waters as much.
Bripat9643 and Iceweasal...and all the rest who have posted against the silliness of these lefties...thanks....when I was over on martialtalk I would debate this all by myself with these guys....it got tiring...it is nice to know there are others out there who won't let the left re write history....one of their favorite activities....
Bripat9643 and Iceweasal...and all the rest who have posted against the silliness of these lefties...thanks....when I was over on martialtalk I would debate this all by myself with these guys....it got tiring...it is nice to know there are others out there who won't let the left re write history....one of their favorite activities....
If every dictionary has confirmed fascism as being right wing for the past 60 years - and you claim it is left wing - how are you NOT re-writing history, bauble?
Fascism to these morons is Mother's Milk, they've just been instructed to say how terrible it is even though it fits them to a T.If every dictionary has confirmed fascism as being right wing for the past 60 years - and you claim it is left wing - how are you NOT re-writing history, bauble?
Hardly perfect, but certainly right-wing:
The 14 characteristics are:
- Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
- Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
- Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
- Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
- Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
- Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
- Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
- Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
- Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
- Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .
- Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
- Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
- Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
- Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
The 14 Characteristics of Fascism by Lawrence Britt Spring 2003
Westwall -
I have you on ignore mode and thus do not see your posts.
If you are willing to commit to posting honestly, then I will take you off ignore mode and we can discuss this topic. Personally - I doubt you are up for that, but I'm always willing to try.
You can start by backing up your claim that I support Stalin. Good luck with that.
Hardly perfect, but certainly right-wing:
The 14 characteristics are:
- Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
- Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
- Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
- Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
- Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
- Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
- Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
- Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
- Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
- Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .
- Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
- Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
- Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
- Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
The 14 Characteristics of Fascism by Lawrence Britt Spring 2003
Oh come on . You are correct that Nazis were a right wing organization, but those 14 things could easily apply to any loonie left wing government as well.
Actually, the could apply to any strictly authoritarian government.
