How well does the GOP have to do with Hispanics to win the WH in 2016?

[rightwinger]

These people take these generic ideas as the OP did, and all of the sudden they become gospel.

1. The Hispanic vote DOESN'T matter! You got that OP. All that matters is the electoral college. EXAMPLE: If every Hispanic votes for the Democrat, but all the Hispanics reside in California, are the Democrats going to win? Answer, NO!

2. Now to the meat an potatoes----------> Republicans will carry Florida this time because of lefty deal with Castro. Florida goes GOP by 4 points.

3. If Kasich has any pull in Ohio, even though he is a rino, if the GOP nominee takes him as his VP, the Democratic party falls off the map, since they no longer control ANYTHING!

That is the truth of it OP, you can talk divisive politics all you want, but that is what will happen. Now go count your electoral votes and what is left with Florida and Ohio in the GOP column, then get back to me about that Hispanic vote again-)

Losing the Hispanic vote will mean the next Republican President hasn't been born yet

Florida is almost entirely in the blue column right now
Texas, Arizona and Colorado could move in the next twenty years making it impossible for Republicans to reach 270

 

[rightwinger]

I disagree, JimH

Trump has done precisely what the establishment wished for.

He has energized their Base

He has created the atmosphere where the GOP dictate the topic for the election.

He made the GOP the focus party this cycle.

The GOP establishment can play this two ways, both involves risk while at the same time offer potential for great rewards.

The ball is in their hands, and the GOP controls the games.....

and the establshment has the gall to complain!!

Energizing the base increases the margin by which you win Red States. Does nothing to help win swing states and that is why Republicans lose

same applies in the leftardian states, doofus. independents favor Trump over the hildebeast by significant numbers. That bodes well for the swing states.

No they don't.

Trump would barely break 100 electoral votes against Hillary. That is why Republicans are so scared

 

[imawhosure]

These people take these generic ideas as the OP did, and all of the sudden they become gospel.

1. The Hispanic vote DOESN'T matter! You got that OP. All that matters is the electoral college. EXAMPLE: If every Hispanic votes for the Democrat, but all the Hispanics reside in California, are the Democrats going to win? Answer, NO!

2. Now to the meat an potatoes----------> Republicans will carry Florida this time because of lefty deal with Castro. Florida goes GOP by 4 points.

3. If Kasich has any pull in Ohio, even though he is a rino, if the GOP nominee takes him as his VP, the Democratic party falls off the map, since they no longer control ANYTHING!

That is the truth of it OP, you can talk divisive politics all you want, but that is what will happen. Now go count your electoral votes and what is left with Florida and Ohio in the GOP column, then get back to me about that Hispanic vote again-)

Losing the Hispanic vote will mean the next Republican President hasn't been born yet

Florida is almost entirely in the blue column right now
Texas, Arizona and Colorado could move in the next twenty years making it impossible for Republicans to reach 270

You are lying through your teeth if you are a political animal at all, and you know it. Florida is going 3 to 4 points with the GOP this time because of the lefts deal with the Castro brothers. I know it, you know it, and if you want to lie, go ahead but it doesn't make your statement true. Florida is already counted for the Repubs this time, and everybody who is aware of anything knows it!

 

[Redfish]

I disagree, JimH

Trump has done precisely what the establishment wished for.

He has energized their Base

He has created the atmosphere where the GOP dictate the topic for the election.

He made the GOP the focus party this cycle.

The GOP establishment can play this two ways, both involves risk while at the same time offer potential for great rewards.

The ball is in their hands, and the GOP controls the games.....

and the establshment has the gall to complain!!

Energizing the base increases the margin by which you win Red States. Does nothing to help win swing states and that is why Republicans lose

same applies in the leftardian states, doofus. independents favor Trump over the hildebeast by significant numbers. That bodes well for the swing states.

No they don't.

Trump would barely break 100 electoral votes against Hillary. That is why Republicans are so scared

remain in your world of fantasy. but fear not, reality will rise up and smack you in the face next November.

 

[Redfish]

These people take these generic ideas as the OP did, and all of the sudden they become gospel.

1. The Hispanic vote DOESN'T matter! You got that OP. All that matters is the electoral college. EXAMPLE: If every Hispanic votes for the Democrat, but all the Hispanics reside in California, are the Democrats going to win? Answer, NO!

2. Now to the meat an potatoes----------> Republicans will carry Florida this time because of lefty deal with Castro. Florida goes GOP by 4 points.

3. If Kasich has any pull in Ohio, even though he is a rino, if the GOP nominee takes him as his VP, the Democratic party falls off the map, since they no longer control ANYTHING!

That is the truth of it OP, you can talk divisive politics all you want, but that is what will happen. Now go count your electoral votes and what is left with Florida and Ohio in the GOP column, then get back to me about that Hispanic vote again-)

Losing the Hispanic vote will mean the next Republican President hasn't been born yet

Florida is almost entirely in the blue column right now
Texas, Arizona and Colorado could move in the next twenty years making it impossible for Republicans to reach 270

You are lying through your teeth if you are a political animal at all, and you know it. Florida is going 3 to 4 points with the GOP this time because of the lefts deal with the Castro brothers. I know it, you know it, and if you want to lie, go ahead but it doesn't make your statement true. Florida is already counted for the Repubs this time, and everybody who is aware of anything knows it!

RW is either really really stupid, or he is nothing but a dem/lib parrot. or both.

 

[imawhosure]

I disagree, JimH

Trump has done precisely what the establishment wished for.

He has energized their Base

He has created the atmosphere where the GOP dictate the topic for the election.

He made the GOP the focus party this cycle.

The GOP establishment can play this two ways, both involves risk while at the same time offer potential for great rewards.

The ball is in their hands, and the GOP controls the games.....

and the establshment has the gall to complain!!

Energizing the base increases the margin by which you win Red States. Does nothing to help win swing states and that is why Republicans lose

same applies in the leftardian states, doofus. independents favor Trump over the hildebeast by significant numbers. That bodes well for the swing states.

No they don't.

Trump would barely break 100 electoral votes against Hillary. That is why Republicans are so scared

The thread is about general election politics and the Hispanic vote, not Trump and the Hispanic vote. If you want to morph this into another one of the 500 threads on Trump, talk to each other, lol.

 

[imawhosure]

These people take these generic ideas as the OP did, and all of the sudden they become gospel.

1. The Hispanic vote DOESN'T matter! You got that OP. All that matters is the electoral college. EXAMPLE: If every Hispanic votes for the Democrat, but all the Hispanics reside in California, are the Democrats going to win? Answer, NO!

2. Now to the meat an potatoes----------> Republicans will carry Florida this time because of lefty deal with Castro. Florida goes GOP by 4 points.

3. If Kasich has any pull in Ohio, even though he is a rino, if the GOP nominee takes him as his VP, the Democratic party falls off the map, since they no longer control ANYTHING!

That is the truth of it OP, you can talk divisive politics all you want, but that is what will happen. Now go count your electoral votes and what is left with Florida and Ohio in the GOP column, then get back to me about that Hispanic vote again-)

Losing the Hispanic vote will mean the next Republican President hasn't been born yet

Florida is almost entirely in the blue column right now
Texas, Arizona and Colorado could move in the next twenty years making it impossible for Republicans to reach 270

You are lying through your teeth if you are a political animal at all, and you know it. Florida is going 3 to 4 points with the GOP this time because of the lefts deal with the Castro brothers. I know it, you know it, and if you want to lie, go ahead but it doesn't make your statement true. Florida is already counted for the Repubs this time, and everybody who is aware of anything knows it!

RW is either really really stupid, or he is nothing but a dem/lib parrot. or both.

He is an astro turfer. He likes to yank chains, but since his lefty supporters love him and PainmyPatootie so much, I just yank back. If they ignored him, I would ignore him too. I am not really debating him since you can't debate an astro turfer, I am just shooting down his phony, false, premise so the rest of the lefties don't think it is gospel like this funny thread, lol!

 

[Toro]

These people take these generic ideas as the OP did, and all of the sudden they become gospel.

1. The Hispanic vote DOESN'T matter! You got that OP. All that matters is the electoral college. EXAMPLE: If every Hispanic votes for the Democrat, but all the Hispanics reside in California, are the Democrats going to win? Answer, NO!

2. Now to the meat an potatoes----------> Republicans will carry Florida this time because of lefty deal with Castro. Florida goes GOP by 4 points.

3. If Kasich has any pull in Ohio, even though he is a rino, if the GOP nominee takes him as his VP, the Democratic party falls off the map, since they no longer control ANYTHING!

That is the truth of it OP, you can talk divisive politics all you want, but that is what will happen. Now go count your electoral votes and what is left with Florida and Ohio in the GOP column, then get back to me about that Hispanic vote again-)

Apparently, you didn't read the link, so I'll post the important parts for you.

The GOP won't win back the White House in 2016 without garnering substantially more support from Hispanic voters than it received three years ago. That's especially true in Colorado, Nevada and Florida, three swing states that are crucial to the party's presidential prospects and include Hispanic voting blocs that are influential, sizable and growing larger with every election cycle.

Experienced political strategists estimate that the eventual Republican nominee needs to earn at least approximately 35 percent of the Hispanic vote in both Colorado and Nevada to compete for their Electoral College votes and at least 40 percent, if not 45 percent, of Hispanics in Florida. In 2012, Republican nominee Mitt Romney failed to hit these numbers, and lost all three states.

It's not just that the summer front-runner for the GOP presidential nomination, Donald Trump, sports a miserable 15 percent favorable, 82 percent unfavorable image with Hispanics nationally. It's that his support for ending birthright citizenship and forcibly rounding up and deporting the 11-12 million illegal immigrants living in the United States has been dominating the campaign. This is a recipe for political disaster in the general election. ...

The same analysis was offered by multiple political strategists, of both parties, who are toiling in Colorado, Florida and Nevada and are veterans of several campaigns. These three states matter so much for Republicans because their party has a narrow path to 270 Electoral College votes, according to established regional political divisions that are expected to hold in 2016. There are paths that might exclude Colorado and Nevada, albeit unlikely paths, but none that exclude Florida. ...​

As for your explanation why Republicans will win Florida, perhaps you hadn't noticed but the Democrats won this state in 2008 and 2012. It's not 1985 anymore.

Florida. The Sunshine State is perhaps the most complicated of the three.

The Cuban vote has long been reliably Republican, but the younger generation has been more willing to vote Democrat. There has been an influx of Puerto Ricans, who are dependable Democratic voters. The population of immigrants from Latin and South America has diversified the Hispanic population further, and is another factor behind Florida becoming more competitive for Democrats in presidential contests.

Illegal immigration isn't necessarily a problem here. But that doesn't mean Florida Hispanics, most of whom are legal immigrants or decedents of legal immigrants, don't interpret strident language directed at illegal immigrants as a shot at their communities. In 2012, Romney said that his policy for dealing with illegal immigrants was that they should "self deport" from the U.S.

Republican operatives in Florida who were focused on Hispanic outreach for Romney in 2012 said that comment caused Hispanics to tune Romney out on every other issue such that he only won 39 percent of their vote — low for the GOP by Sunshine State Standards. Obama won 60 percent of their vote, up from 57 percent four years earlier. Hispanics comprised 17 percent of the Florida electorate in 2012, up from 14 percent in 2008.

Dave Beattie, a Democratic pollster who specializes in Florida, described the impact of hardline immigration rhetoric on Sunshine State Hispanics this way: "Even though it's not affecting their immigrant status, it's a sense of, 'You don't like people like me.'"
​

Good luck thinking Hispanics are unimportant. It's a sure-fire winner.

​

 

[Davros]

Will Cubans in Florida vote for a man who said "not a lot of evangelicals come out of Cuba "? Trump has 0 chance in Florida.

 

[rightwinger]

These people take these generic ideas as the OP did, and all of the sudden they become gospel.

1. The Hispanic vote DOESN'T matter! You got that OP. All that matters is the electoral college. EXAMPLE: If every Hispanic votes for the Democrat, but all the Hispanics reside in California, are the Democrats going to win? Answer, NO!

2. Now to the meat an potatoes----------> Republicans will carry Florida this time because of lefty deal with Castro. Florida goes GOP by 4 points.

3. If Kasich has any pull in Ohio, even though he is a rino, if the GOP nominee takes him as his VP, the Democratic party falls off the map, since they no longer control ANYTHING!

That is the truth of it OP, you can talk divisive politics all you want, but that is what will happen. Now go count your electoral votes and what is left with Florida and Ohio in the GOP column, then get back to me about that Hispanic vote again-)

Losing the Hispanic vote will mean the next Republican President hasn't been born yet

Florida is almost entirely in the blue column right now
Texas, Arizona and Colorado could move in the next twenty years making it impossible for Republicans to reach 270

You are lying through your teeth if you are a political animal at all, and you know it. Florida is going 3 to 4 points with the GOP this time because of the lefts deal with the Castro brothers. I know it, you know it, and if you want to lie, go ahead but it doesn't make your statement true. Florida is already counted for the Repubs this time, and everybody who is aware of anything knows it!

Rubio could take Florida. None of the other Republicans could. Not even Bush

Hillary has always done well with Florida voters. Run Trump, Carson or Cruz and she will crush them

 

[rightwinger]

I disagree, JimH

Trump has done precisely what the establishment wished for.

He has energized their Base

He has created the atmosphere where the GOP dictate the topic for the election.

He made the GOP the focus party this cycle.

The GOP establishment can play this two ways, both involves risk while at the same time offer potential for great rewards.

The ball is in their hands, and the GOP controls the games.....

and the establshment has the gall to complain!!

Energizing the base increases the margin by which you win Red States. Does nothing to help win swing states and that is why Republicans lose

same applies in the leftardian states, doofus. independents favor Trump over the hildebeast by significant numbers. That bodes well for the swing states.

No they don't.

Trump would barely break 100 electoral votes against Hillary. That is why Republicans are so scared

The thread is about general election politics and the Hispanic vote, not Trump and the Hispanic vote. If you want to morph this into another one of the 500 threads on Trump, talk to each other, lol.

The General election is won state by state not by a popular vote

States with large Hispanic populations are California, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada and Florida

Put those in the blue column and Republicans never win again

 

[Toro]

These people take these generic ideas as the OP did, and all of the sudden they become gospel.

1. The Hispanic vote DOESN'T matter! You got that OP. All that matters is the electoral college. EXAMPLE: If every Hispanic votes for the Democrat, but all the Hispanics reside in California, are the Democrats going to win? Answer, NO!

2. Now to the meat an potatoes----------> Republicans will carry Florida this time because of lefty deal with Castro. Florida goes GOP by 4 points.

3. If Kasich has any pull in Ohio, even though he is a rino, if the GOP nominee takes him as his VP, the Democratic party falls off the map, since they no longer control ANYTHING!

That is the truth of it OP, you can talk divisive politics all you want, but that is what will happen. Now go count your electoral votes and what is left with Florida and Ohio in the GOP column, then get back to me about that Hispanic vote again-)

Losing the Hispanic vote will mean the next Republican President hasn't been born yet

Florida is almost entirely in the blue column right now
Texas, Arizona and Colorado could move in the next twenty years making it impossible for Republicans to reach 270

You are lying through your teeth if you are a political animal at all, and you know it. Florida is going 3 to 4 points with the GOP this time because of the lefts deal with the Castro brothers. I know it, you know it, and if you want to lie, go ahead but it doesn't make your statement true. Florida is already counted for the Repubs this time, and everybody who is aware of anything knows it!

Rubio could take Florida. None of the other Republicans could. Not even Bush

Hillary has always done well with Florida voters. Run Trump, Carson or Cruz and she will crush them

I think Bush would handily beat Hillary here in Florida. Bush has been leading Clinton since early in the year.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Florida: Bush vs. Clinton

Democrats are dramatically over-estimating Clinton.

 

[rightwinger]

These people take these generic ideas as the OP did, and all of the sudden they become gospel.

1. The Hispanic vote DOESN'T matter! You got that OP. All that matters is the electoral college. EXAMPLE: If every Hispanic votes for the Democrat, but all the Hispanics reside in California, are the Democrats going to win? Answer, NO!

2. Now to the meat an potatoes----------> Republicans will carry Florida this time because of lefty deal with Castro. Florida goes GOP by 4 points.

3. If Kasich has any pull in Ohio, even though he is a rino, if the GOP nominee takes him as his VP, the Democratic party falls off the map, since they no longer control ANYTHING!

That is the truth of it OP, you can talk divisive politics all you want, but that is what will happen. Now go count your electoral votes and what is left with Florida and Ohio in the GOP column, then get back to me about that Hispanic vote again-)

Losing the Hispanic vote will mean the next Republican President hasn't been born yet

Florida is almost entirely in the blue column right now
Texas, Arizona and Colorado could move in the next twenty years making it impossible for Republicans to reach 270

You are lying through your teeth if you are a political animal at all, and you know it. Florida is going 3 to 4 points with the GOP this time because of the lefts deal with the Castro brothers. I know it, you know it, and if you want to lie, go ahead but it doesn't make your statement true. Florida is already counted for the Repubs this time, and everybody who is aware of anything knows it!

Rubio could take Florida. None of the other Republicans could. Not even Bush

Hillary has always done well with Florida voters. Run Trump, Carson or Cruz and she will crush them

I think Bush would handily beat Hillary here in Florida. Bush has been leading Clinton since early in the year.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Florida: Bush vs. Clinton

Democrats are dramatically over-estimating Clinton.

I think when all is said and done, and Republicans have insulted women, Hispanics and moderates ......Florida will easily go to Hillary

 

[Toro]

These people take these generic ideas as the OP did, and all of the sudden they become gospel.

1. The Hispanic vote DOESN'T matter! You got that OP. All that matters is the electoral college. EXAMPLE: If every Hispanic votes for the Democrat, but all the Hispanics reside in California, are the Democrats going to win? Answer, NO!

2. Now to the meat an potatoes----------> Republicans will carry Florida this time because of lefty deal with Castro. Florida goes GOP by 4 points.

3. If Kasich has any pull in Ohio, even though he is a rino, if the GOP nominee takes him as his VP, the Democratic party falls off the map, since they no longer control ANYTHING!

That is the truth of it OP, you can talk divisive politics all you want, but that is what will happen. Now go count your electoral votes and what is left with Florida and Ohio in the GOP column, then get back to me about that Hispanic vote again-)

Losing the Hispanic vote will mean the next Republican President hasn't been born yet

Florida is almost entirely in the blue column right now
Texas, Arizona and Colorado could move in the next twenty years making it impossible for Republicans to reach 270

You are lying through your teeth if you are a political animal at all, and you know it. Florida is going 3 to 4 points with the GOP this time because of the lefts deal with the Castro brothers. I know it, you know it, and if you want to lie, go ahead but it doesn't make your statement true. Florida is already counted for the Repubs this time, and everybody who is aware of anything knows it!

Rubio could take Florida. None of the other Republicans could. Not even Bush

Hillary has always done well with Florida voters. Run Trump, Carson or Cruz and she will crush them

I think Bush would handily beat Hillary here in Florida. Bush has been leading Clinton since early in the year.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Florida: Bush vs. Clinton

Democrats are dramatically over-estimating Clinton.

I think when all is said and done, and Republicans have insulted women, Hispanics and moderates ......Florida will easily go to Hillary

Bush has not.

He's still popular here and he has a big infrastructure and a lot of money. He does well with Hispanics. And Republicans control the state. The Democrats are awful locally.

If Bush were to lose Florida, it would mean that Clinton would be over 400 EVs. That won't happen.

 

[rightwinger]

Losing the Hispanic vote will mean the next Republican President hasn't been born yet

Florida is almost entirely in the blue column right now
Texas, Arizona and Colorado could move in the next twenty years making it impossible for Republicans to reach 270

You are lying through your teeth if you are a political animal at all, and you know it. Florida is going 3 to 4 points with the GOP this time because of the lefts deal with the Castro brothers. I know it, you know it, and if you want to lie, go ahead but it doesn't make your statement true. Florida is already counted for the Repubs this time, and everybody who is aware of anything knows it!

Rubio could take Florida. None of the other Republicans could. Not even Bush

Hillary has always done well with Florida voters. Run Trump, Carson or Cruz and she will crush them

I think Bush would handily beat Hillary here in Florida. Bush has been leading Clinton since early in the year.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Florida: Bush vs. Clinton

Democrats are dramatically over-estimating Clinton.

I think when all is said and done, and Republicans have insulted women, Hispanics and moderates ......Florida will easily go to Hillary

Bush has not.

He's still popular here and he has a big infrastructure and a lot of money. He does well with Hispanics. And Republicans control the state. The Democrats are awful locally.

If Bush were to lose Florida, it would mean that Clinton would be over 400 EVs. That won't happen.

Bush has taken the high road. Trump has buried him for it

Hillary will use Trumps statements against Bush. If Bush disagrees with what Trump says.....why does he say he would endorse him as President?

 

[Toro]

Bush has taken the high road. Trump has buried him for it

Hillary will use Trumps statements against Bush. If Bush disagrees with what Trump says.....why does he say he would endorse him as President?

Bush isn't getting the nomination so it's hypothetical.

Having said that, Bush wouldn't get tarred by what Trump said any more than Clinton being labeled a "socialist" simply because Bernie Sanders says he's a socialist. Trump's damaging the Republican brand, but it's not like there will be a 20% swing because of it. There might be a 2%-3% swing. That's a big difference nationally but it wouldn't matter in Florida because people here know Bush and who he is.

 

[JimH52]

How well must GOP do among Hispanics to win in 2016?

The GOP has a huge mountain to climb to win the Hispanic vote, and Trump is not making it easier. It is just incredible that all the work that the GOP has done to enlarge its base has been undone by Trump in just a few months.

Do you find yourself slipping in and out of your dementia more often than once or twice a day now? If you wish, I can have my office staff set up an appointment. We have some marvelous new drugs available now that I believe would help you tremendously. Payment is required prior to treatment.

I can certainly understand why the facts can make you uncomfortable. Donald is the best thing to happen to the Dems in years. It is mind boggling to think one man can undo the efforts of an entire Political Party in just a few short months.

GO DONALD!​

 

[Katzndogz]

Bush will not be the candidate. He might have to drop out after North Carolina.

 

[whitehall]

Why do lefties consistently confuse American citizens with illegal aliens? The short answer is that they don't give a damn about the Country, it's all about politics and potential voters. Bill Clinton had a way to get Hispanic votes for his wife's (carpet bag) senatorial run. He pardoned every freaking Puerto Rican criminal doing time in NY prisons for bombing and terrorizing Americans. Why are "sanctuary cities" allowed to exist in violation of federal law? The short answer is that the democrat administration doesn't give a damn about the law or the safety of citizens. It's all about potential voters.

 

[the_human_being]

How well must GOP do among Hispanics to win in 2016?

The GOP has a huge mountain to climb to win the Hispanic vote, and Trump is not making it easier. It is just incredible that all the work that the GOP has done to enlarge its base has been undone by Trump in just a few months.

Do you find yourself slipping in and out of your dementia more often than once or twice a day now? If you wish, I can have my office staff set up an appointment. We have some marvelous new drugs available now that I believe would help you tremendously. Payment is required prior to treatment.

I can certainly understand why the facts can make you uncomfortable. Donald is the best thing to happen to the Dems in years. It is mind boggling to think one man can undo the efforts of an entire Political Party in just a few short months.

GO DONALD!​

Well, he certainly makes you Liberals uncomfortable. He appears to be all you have on your little minds. Would you mind explaining just exactly how Hillary plans on paying for the $2 Trillion in new spending she proposes? How about explaining your own candidate's plans instead of simply running one smear campaign after another?