I want to ban McCain from Arlington

[EvilEyeFleegle]

The guy was a deceiver.
He put on a big act he was a hardcore conservative, then carpetbagged his way into Arizona
He would have been a hero by staying out of politics
..and what's up with that remark of the "intervention in Dallas" when talking about JFK in the debates?

John McCain is an American patriot who served his country well, and he will rightfully be laid to rest in Arlington Cemetery.

XXX --- Mod Edit -- way too aggressive and personal..

I'll try to walk the middle ground here..I agree with you, of course..I've not read the whole thread..so if I'm repetitive..forgive me:

John McCain paid for his plot in Arlington. Period. As a vet..I'm a little ashamed that this issue would even be raised. I'm not even addressing his status as, "Hero"--as a P.O.W. he earned it..he served and he put it on the line.

That anyone even sees this as a political issue surprises and disappoints me. i see the Mod cut your post a bit..as 'too aggressive' I get how you feel. I hope I was able to convey that without breaking the TOS.

 

[candycorn]

The guy was a deceiver.
He put on a big act he was a hardcore conservative, then carpetbagged his way into Arizona
He would have been a hero by staying out of politics
..and what's up with that remark of the "intervention in Dallas" when talking about JFK in the debates?

This illustrates just how screwed up and crazy conservatives are.

So true.

Here's a relatively recent list of conservative trends.

There completely faithful right up until the moment they become faithless and unforgiving!

Remember Bush 43? Conservatives followed him unwaveringly right up until the point in his second term when he became historically unpopular and hence toxic. But was conservatism to blame? Not according to conservatives because, to hear them tell the tale, Bush was never REALLY conservative. See how that works?

Conservatives are upset because they think liberals and moderates don't give them enough respect. But why should stupidity and foolishness be respected, regardless from whence it originates?.

You see, conservatives can't be won over by facts, but they can always be hoodwinked with untruths, lies, and wishful thinking, regardless of whether it's climate change or economic change. Take West Virginia as an example. They want to bring back coal. That's only slightly less crazy than the idea that we could bring livery stables and buggy whip manufactures back to prominence. You see, coal simply can no longer adequately compete economically with natural gas. Now, perhaps that will change sometime in the future, but for this point in time, it makes more sense to blame fracking for the downfall of coal than it does to blame some Democratic conspiracy. But still, I wouldn't have all that much of a problem with coal if modern scrubbing technics could take out most of the harmful pollutants like mercury and sulfur dioxide. But again, according to conservatives, that's not necessary because coal is clean. See what I mean?

Enter Donald Trump. He's a man who lies constantly and seemingly has no qualms whatsoever in doing so. He's a man who could have only ONE constituency: It's gullible conservatives who lack any higher education beyond high school and who value an uninformed and overly emotional opinion over a dispassionate fact each and every time they come into conflict in the public square.

Donald Trump and conservatives found each other just like the get rich quick scam artists and the people longing for an easy way to get rich find each other.

So, Donald Trump offered up the lies (and still does), and conservatives ate it up like a dog eats any pizza that falls on the floor. They both got something out of the relationship. Trump got power, a massive tax cut, and a base that blindly follows him. The conservatives get to go to rallies and cheer, and they get to watch the more powerful people in this country squirm at Trump's antics which they enjoy immensely because they could never make that happen on their own in their real lives. In other words, Trump gets money and power, and conservatives get a feeling of extended momentary satisfaction.

But can it last? History shows us that it cannot and will not last. You see, as they say, at some point the truth will out, and even the most trusting of persons will finally have their illusions stripped away when they find that they've been lied to, snookered, cheated, and otherwise taken for the fools that they were. And when that day finally arrives, I expect to hear conservatives say that Trump was never REALLY a conservative! By that point, there will be many other flimflam politicians lining up to take his place. And sadly, the conservatives will be getting in line to enter an auditorium in order to follow wherever the next Trump wants to lead them.

Excellent post.

In a few years, catch phrases like "the swamp" will be as in vogue as the "contract with America"....

 

[jasonnfree]

Pretty bad having a president who's asked to not be at funerals. Even the bush family didn't want him showing up awhile back at that funeral. Whatever else people think of mccain, he had the guts to go in the military and fly planes off carriers and get shot at from ground artillery. Then being a p.o.w., being tortured... Let's let him be buried with respect, I say.

 

[toobfreak]

As a republican, McCain has every expectation of meeting the goals, wishes and needs of his republican and conservative constituents and he HAS NOT.

Who says? They keep re-electing him.

Or are you calling Arizona Republicans idiots?

I suppose so. Just like the people who keep reelecting Pelosi. Can't think of any republican less popular than McCain right now.

 

[toobfreak]

You truly are a dumbass.

Got a degree in dumbassery from Yale. Might as well use it.

His medical coverage is from his military service, not his being in the Senate. BTW how do you figure he is still working?

I don't figure on anything. I'm just a dumbass, remember? I'm one of those silly people who when a person holds office as a republican, believes you should actually do things which support and strengthen the party, not weaken it.

 

[Synthaholic]

Maybe Trump will ban him from being buried at Arlington because he was captured

I like to bury people here who weren’t captured

trump will re-designate Arlington for those who had their own personal Viet Nam fighting STDs at home.

How old are you? That is just childish.

And point me to the posts you said that about Bill Clinton, hypocrite

Trump did say that, to Howard Stern.

Trump Boasted of Avoiding STDs: Vaginas 'Are Landmines ... It Is My Personal Vietnam'

Well, they gave Mueller and McCain purple hearts....I wonder what part of the anatomy Trump has idolized in purple

Again the so called "feminist" who voted for a sexual predator twice and the woman who abused her husband's victims again pretends to care about women, LOL

False premise.

 

[Synthaholic]

I have never liked McCain the politician, however this crap is over the top pettiness

McCain was a warmongerer and a corrupter. He deserves everything thrown his way. And I never believed that death means someone gets a pass. If that were true, then nobody should ever criticize Hitler ever again.

You remain stuck on stupid.

 

[Synthaholic]

As a republican, McCain has every expectation of meeting the goals, wishes and needs of his republican and conservative constituents and he HAS NOT.

Who says? They keep re-electing him.

Or are you calling Arizona Republicans idiots?

I suppose so. Just like the people who keep reelecting Pelosi. Can't think of any republican less popular than McCain right now.

That’s because Pelosi is a very good congresswoman, whether you like her or not. She generates a lot of money for San Francisco. She represents her district in Washington as well as anyone in Congress. She’s effective. She’s one of the biggest rainmakers in DC.

I’m sure McCain has done plenty over the decades to endear himself to Arizona businesses.

 

[regent]

If Republicans won't bury McCain it will have to be the Democrats. I guess this is a new side of America, that Republicans have invoked.

 

[Snouter]

McCain should be bured in Tel Aviv, but obviously Tel Aviv would not allow it since he is not a racial jew, despite him being an Israeli military hero against America, and an enemy of US troops around the world.

 

[S.J.]

Why don't they just cremate the SOB?

Why is it any of your f-ing business, asshole?

Piss off, bitter little troll boy.

 

[Bush92]

The guy was a deceiver.
He put on a big act he was a hardcore conservative, then carpetbagged his way into Arizona
He would have been a hero by staying out of politics
..and what's up with that remark of the "intervention in Dallas" when talking about JFK in the debates?

McCain went out like the abrasive self-centered politician that he was. If he had ran a proper campaign in 2008 we would not have had an Obama.

 

[S.J.]

The guy was a deceiver.
He put on a big act he was a hardcore conservative, then carpetbagged his way into Arizona
He would have been a hero by staying out of politics
..and what's up with that remark of the "intervention in Dallas" when talking about JFK in the debates?

McCain went out like the abrasive self-centered politician that he was. If he had ran a proper campaign in 2008 we would not have had an Obama.

He wasn't trying to win that election. He acted like an Obama surrogate on the campaign trail.

 

[kaz]

The guy was a deceiver.
He put on a big act he was a hardcore conservative, then carpetbagged his way into Arizona
He would have been a hero by staying out of politics
..and what's up with that remark of the "intervention in Dallas" when talking about JFK in the debates?

This illustrates just how screwed up and crazy conservatives are.

So true.

Here's a relatively recent list of conservative trends.

There completely faithful right up until the moment they become faithless and unforgiving!

Remember Bush 43? Conservatives followed him unwaveringly right up until the point in his second term when he became historically unpopular and hence toxic. But was conservatism to blame? Not according to conservatives because, to hear them tell the tale, Bush was never REALLY conservative. See how that works?

Conservatives are upset because they think liberals and moderates don't give them enough respect. But why should stupidity and foolishness be respected, regardless from whence it originates?.

You see, conservatives can't be won over by facts, but they can always be hoodwinked with untruths, lies, and wishful thinking, regardless of whether it's climate change or economic change. Take West Virginia as an example. They want to bring back coal. That's only slightly less crazy than the idea that we could bring livery stables and buggy whip manufactures back to prominence. You see, coal simply can no longer adequately compete economically with natural gas. Now, perhaps that will change sometime in the future, but for this point in time, it makes more sense to blame fracking for the downfall of coal than it does to blame some Democratic conspiracy. But still, I wouldn't have all that much of a problem with coal if modern scrubbing technics could take out most of the harmful pollutants like mercury and sulfur dioxide. But again, according to conservatives, that's not necessary because coal is clean. See what I mean?

Enter Donald Trump. He's a man who lies constantly and seemingly has no qualms whatsoever in doing so. He's a man who could have only ONE constituency: It's gullible conservatives who lack any higher education beyond high school and who value an uninformed and overly emotional opinion over a dispassionate fact each and every time they come into conflict in the public square.

Donald Trump and conservatives found each other just like the get rich quick scam artists and the people longing for an easy way to get rich find each other.

So, Donald Trump offered up the lies (and still does), and conservatives ate it up like a dog eats any pizza that falls on the floor. They both got something out of the relationship. Trump got power, a massive tax cut, and a base that blindly follows him. The conservatives get to go to rallies and cheer, and they get to watch the more powerful people in this country squirm at Trump's antics which they enjoy immensely because they could never make that happen on their own in their real lives. In other words, Trump gets money and power, and conservatives get a feeling of extended momentary satisfaction.

But can it last? History shows us that it cannot and will not last. You see, as they say, at some point the truth will out, and even the most trusting of persons will finally have their illusions stripped away when they find that they've been lied to, snookered, cheated, and otherwise taken for the fools that they were. And when that day finally arrives, I expect to hear conservatives say that Trump was never REALLY a conservative! By that point, there will be many other flimflam politicians lining up to take his place. And sadly, the conservatives will be getting in line to enter an auditorium in order to follow wherever the next Trump wants to lead them.

You live in a fantasy world

 

[kaz]

trump will re-designate Arlington for those who had their own personal Viet Nam fighting STDs at home.

How old are you? That is just childish.

And point me to the posts you said that about Bill Clinton, hypocrite

Trump did say that, to Howard Stern.

Trump Boasted of Avoiding STDs: Vaginas 'Are Landmines ... It Is My Personal Vietnam'

Well, they gave Mueller and McCain purple hearts....I wonder what part of the anatomy Trump has idolized in purple

Again the so called "feminist" who voted for a sexual predator twice and the woman who abused her husband's victims again pretends to care about women, LOL

False premise.

Ah, so you think Hillary Clinton is a stupid bitch who doesn't know what the hell she's talking about when she says that women should be believed? Of course you do. You only believe the women who say what you want them to say.

How do you rationalize Kathleen Wiley, a long time Democrat activist and Clinton supporter in your head? There's lots of room to grapple with things there ...

 

[Correll]

If only McCain had bone spurs then he'd be loved by cons.

McCain flew 23 bombing missions over North Vietnam. A while after he was captured his father was appointed to a high level command position for all US forces in Vietnam. In mid-1968, his father John S. McCain Jr. was named commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater, and the North Vietnamese offered McCain early release because they wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes, and also to show other POWs that elite prisoners were willing to be treated preferentially. McCain refused repatriation unless every man taken in before him was also released. He remained a prisoner until 1973, suffering terrible torture during his time as a prisoner.

He was awarded the Silver Star, the Bronze Star, the Purple Heart, and other medals.

This is who conservatives want to bar from Arlington National Cemetery.

They also favor a draft dodger, whore banger, inveterate liar, con-man, and racist pig Drumpf over USMC Captain Mueller who ably served under Reagan, Bush, Bush II....

Those Conservatives are a weird bunch.

Americans don't give much weight to military serviceDu when it comes to presidential elections.


Carter vs Reagan, non veteran won.


Reagan vs Mondale, both had non combat service.


Bush vs Dukakis. Combat vet won.


Bush vs Clinton. Non veteran won.


Clinton vs DOle Non veteran won.


Bush vs Gore. Both vets, guy with combat service lost.

Bush vs Kerry both vets. guy with combat service lot.


Obama vs McCain, war hero lost.


Obama vs Romney, neither vets.


Trump vs Hillary, neither vets.

Your info is a little off.

Carter vs Reagan, non veteran won. Wrong!
They were both veterans and Reagan won.

Reagan vs Mondale, both had non combat service. Not accurate.
Both were veterans.

Bush vs Gore. Both vets, guy with combat service lost. Wrong!
Gore never saw combat.

You make far too many distinctions for there to be a pattern. Between veterans, non-combat veterans, and non-veterans, no pattern emerges.

That was my point. There is no pattern, with regards to military service, from the nation as a whole.


For the lib to claim that cons are weird about military service, is just the lib being a lib.

 

[rightwinger]

If only McCain had bone spurs then he'd be loved by cons.

McCain flew 23 bombing missions over North Vietnam. A while after he was captured his father was appointed to a high level command position for all US forces in Vietnam. In mid-1968, his father John S. McCain Jr. was named commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater, and the North Vietnamese offered McCain early release because they wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes, and also to show other POWs that elite prisoners were willing to be treated preferentially. McCain refused repatriation unless every man taken in before him was also released. He remained a prisoner until 1973, suffering terrible torture during his time as a prisoner.

He was awarded the Silver Star, the Bronze Star, the Purple Heart, and other medals.

This is who conservatives want to bar from Arlington National Cemetery.

They also favor a draft dodger, whore banger, inveterate liar, con-man, and racist pig Drumpf over USMC Captain Mueller who ably served under Reagan, Bush, Bush II....

Those Conservatives are a weird bunch.

Americans don't give much weight to military serviceDu when it comes to presidential elections.


Carter vs Reagan, non veteran won.


Reagan vs Mondale, both had non combat service.


Bush vs Dukakis. Combat vet won.


Bush vs Clinton. Non veteran won.


Clinton vs DOle Non veteran won.


Bush vs Gore. Both vets, guy with combat service lost.

Bush vs Kerry both vets. guy with combat service lot.


Obama vs McCain, war hero lost.


Obama vs Romney, neither vets.


Trump vs Hillary, neither vets.

Your info is a little off.

Carter vs Reagan, non veteran won. Wrong!
They were both veterans and Reagan won.

Reagan vs Mondale, both had non combat service. Not accurate.
Both were veterans.

Bush vs Gore. Both vets, guy with combat service lost. Wrong!
Gore never saw combat.

You make far too many distinctions for there to be a pattern. Between veterans, non-combat veterans, and non-veterans, no pattern emerges.

That was my point. There is no pattern, with regards to military service, from the nation as a whole.


For the lib to claim that cons are weird about military service, is just the lib being a lib.

It was a valid point

Most Americans have not served and do not vote that way

 

[iceberg]

The guy was a deceiver.
He put on a big act he was a hardcore conservative, then carpetbagged his way into Arizona
He would have been a hero by staying out of politics
..and what's up with that remark of the "intervention in Dallas" when talking about JFK in the debates?

if he was doing as he felt was correct, then he's more than earned his spot anywhere he wishes to be put to rest. that isn't up to you, me, or a vote. if you didn't like his policies you were more than welcome to insert yourself into the political game and work against them - that is our system in action.

i don't have to like or approve of what he does for him to be an american much less have a say in his final resting place. some people just got too much anger inside they can't explain.

 

[Correll]

If only McCain had bone spurs then he'd be loved by cons.

McCain flew 23 bombing missions over North Vietnam. A while after he was captured his father was appointed to a high level command position for all US forces in Vietnam. In mid-1968, his father John S. McCain Jr. was named commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater, and the North Vietnamese offered McCain early release because they wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes, and also to show other POWs that elite prisoners were willing to be treated preferentially. McCain refused repatriation unless every man taken in before him was also released. He remained a prisoner until 1973, suffering terrible torture during his time as a prisoner.

He was awarded the Silver Star, the Bronze Star, the Purple Heart, and other medals.

This is who conservatives want to bar from Arlington National Cemetery.

They also favor a draft dodger, whore banger, inveterate liar, con-man, and racist pig Drumpf over USMC Captain Mueller who ably served under Reagan, Bush, Bush II....

Those Conservatives are a weird bunch.

Americans don't give much weight to military serviceDu when it comes to presidential elections.


Carter vs Reagan, non veteran won.


Reagan vs Mondale, both had non combat service.


Bush vs Dukakis. Combat vet won.


Bush vs Clinton. Non veteran won.


Clinton vs DOle Non veteran won.


Bush vs Gore. Both vets, guy with combat service lost.

Bush vs Kerry both vets. guy with combat service lot.


Obama vs McCain, war hero lost.


Obama vs Romney, neither vets.


Trump vs Hillary, neither vets.

Thanks for the input....I was talking about Conservatives more than the American electorate at large. Conservatives are the first ones to proclaim love of the military and the first group to jettison a service veteran if it becomes politically expedient to do so. See McCain, See Mueller, See Kerry, etc... Its all politics, all the time.

Conservatives are the first ones to proclaim love of the military. I agree.


That in no way gives specific individuals with military service a pass for political opposition to us.


McCain spent decades giving conservatives reasons to oppose him, politically. And I never heard him say that the opposition was not deserved or called for, nor that he deserved a pass because of his military service.


Kerry? Kerry was a democrat. We never "had" him to "jettison" him later.

 

[Flash]

There is good evidence that McCain was a liar and a coward.


Investigating John McCain's Tragedy at Sea

Investigating John McCain's Tragedy at Sea

Some of those who were on the Forrestal and other persons familiar with the ordnance told me that because the rocket did not hit McCain’s craft, only actions by the pilot could have caused any bomb to fall from McCain’s Skyhawk. These sources — who spoke under the condition that they not be publicly identified — agree with each other that, if any bomb fell from the McCain airplane, it was because of actions that he took either in error or panic upon seeing the fire on the deck or in his hasty exit from the plane. Two switches in the cockpit of a Skyhawk need to be thrown to drop such a bomb, according to the sources.



McCain has gone much further than most veterans in using his military experiences for political purposes, but he has not allowed his military records to be released, save for the list of his awards and medals, all of which were given only after he became a prisoner of war. It is appropriate that he release those records before the election. If his actions contributed to the magnitude of the Forrestal disaster and if he left the burning ship under less than honorable circumstances, that information should be available to voters as they choose their next president. At the very least, John McCain should be asked to explain his actions in the summer of 1967 and tell American voters why he has repeatedly given a false account of Robert Zwerlein’s death.