If God is all powerful, ...

[diver52]

[/QUOTE]

exactly right, and neither did God come from nothing.[/QUOTE]
If one follows science then the earth is 5 billion years old and the universe is 13 billion years old, this means that there was 8 billion years of possibility before the first atoms of what would become earth stuck together and gained gravitation.

Do you believe that this message could have formed itself in a pond? Because the words you are reading are billions of times simpler than the simplest one celled bacterium that you claim wrote their own code to exist.

You will never accept that you were written into existence and that's ok because you will be dead and buried before you disprove my scientific logic.

This message exist, therefore you know that I am[/QUOTE]

The problem is you are not using scientific logic. You are employing a logical fallacy called argumentum ad ignorantiam - an appeal to ignorance. In short, if you can't prove I'm wrong then I must be right. Your basic thesis is if we don't know what happened then it must have happened the way you think. No logic in that at all.

 

[RodISHI]

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

If God is all powerful and can do all things, surely he would be able to create a perfect being who has all power, all knowledge, and is a perfectly loving being. To say that he cannot create such a being is to admit that God is not all powerful.

If God is all knowing surely he has the knowledge to create a perfect being and to give that perfect being a perfect knowledge.

If God is an all loving being who loves his creations then he would surely want the best for his creations. He would want his creations to be perfect. Thus he would create us to be perfect. Even in a world or universe where free will exists, if God created us to be perfect, then we with our perfect knowledge could surely reason out that we should choose good over evil always and never make a bad decision. We would be created with a heart filled with love for our fellow beings and our own creations. God would spare us the evil we experience in this world as we would have started out from creation as perfect beings never to commit any act that is contrary to what is right and good.

So why didn't God simply create us to be perfect?

God did create the Son to be perfect. Flesh/son of Man is merely a container that holds both the good and the what we consider to be the bad. It is a cocoon in a sense that contains the Man (male and female types both) that will be eventually birthed into the fullness of what it was originally intended and purposed for. When a child is in the womb it is nourished inside the womb. Humans of flesh are in essence a container for the spiritual fetus that goes through various stages of growth.

Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. (goy/nations is speaking of those portions/people/hosts within or cattle/herds all those pieces and portions of thoughts and behaviors within one's own mind/lands that has disbelief, is unfinished, portions of the Spirit not yet perfected, or completed yet)

Gen 25:23
And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people (spiritually speaking literally two different types hosts. Jacob the upright 'he grasps the heel' [that which is holding the rear guard] to rule the heavenly and Esau the 'red hairy one' who is Edom to rule over the earthly portions that guide the living soul) shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

If God created the Son to be perfect, then why wouldn't he create the rest of us to be perfect also?

Are you not content that you have the capability to be formed into the image of the Son? Is a fetus fully form at conception or does it take some time?

You have a soul made of Breath that is perfectly designed to be formed into the image of the Son. Sorry but you do not get the #1 position as a flesh being until you can overcome it/carnal flesh and that which goes with it for that is reserved for that which is pure.

But the question is why? If God is an all loving being, it seems that he could have foregone the suffering, pain, and death of all of us and simply made us to be what he himself is, perfect.

Apparently you are having a tough time or are incapable of separating in your mind that which is spirit and that which is flesh. The spirit of the Son in these current flesh containers was created perfect from the beginning,

There was 'a great war in heaven', 'I saw satan fall from the heavens like lightening fall' and 'satan deceive a third of the angels who followed the deceiver'. Created already in perfection but certain ones made a choice to follow the enmity to God who decided that they could rise above God and take over His/Her throne, Would you prefer total destruction or an opportunity to save what was created in your own image?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Would you prefer total destruction or an opportunity to save what was created in your own image?

But see, now you're back in "what makes sense? " territory, which is not where you want to be, as the logical contradictions that arise from the absurd idea of an omnipotent god will render your position absurd. You have no space to occupy in the space of evidence or of logic. So just admit it is faith, defined by your personal desires and preferences, and move along.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Then you'd be a robot. Is that what you want to be? A machine?

God is perfect. Is He a machine or robot?

If god is perfect, then why is he making all those deformed and retarded babies?

Why do humans insist on subjecting their flesh beings to things that cause deformities?

Wtf are you talking about?

Why do humans subject themselves to things that cause deformities in the unborn? Pretty simple. You seem to want to blame God for human choices and errors.

Free will is the foundation of the Judeo-Christian faith.

Quite the opposite for collectivists.

 

[ding]

I don't think there was a programmer , just evolution, but the universe, that is another question.

Think less know more.

The simplest life forms DNA has hundreds of thousands of lines of code, I know that the statistical probability of these lines of code forming themselves as a base 4 code then aligning themselves in exactly the proper order to form a life form is essentially null. I also know that modern science has disproved and teaches that spontaneous generation is impossible on one page, then on another says it happened in Darwins magical muddy pond. I also know that DNA evolves but that can not evolve until existing.

Why exactly do you reject God creating life, but accept that God created the Universe?

I do not accept god created the universe whatever you imagine god to be. Why don't you admit you are agnostic and don't know anything about who created the universe, instead you take the easy road out and believe in God, which God? The Jewish God, the Christian God , the Muslim God, etc. Which God do you believe in?

1. I have never said that I believe that God created the Universe...…………
2. I am a Christian and Jesus is with me, always, unless Jesus is busy and he ask his Father to hang with me.
3. No human, of any religion or atheist knows where the Universe came from or even what it is.
4. DNA is a complicated code that did not form itself in Darwin's mythical pond out of nothing because nothing decided to write complicated matter assembling code. Thus God is a scientific need, unless you believe that nothing decided to write complicated matter assembling code.
5. Nothing does not have the ability to write...………………….Prove otherwise

PS. The densest hard drive material known to man is DNA. It was created by a master creator and there is nothing you can do about it. Have fun trying

A DNA Hard Drive Has Been Built That Can Store Data For 1 MILLION Years

Your future DNA hard drive will use enzymes - SynBioBeta

Why don't you believe God created the universe?

Is it your belief that the universe just happened to exist and God took advantage of it?

Because believing anything about the creation of the universe when nothing is known about this is irrational. One may entertain theories but as said belief is irrational

Tons of things are known about the origin of the universe.

Chapters 1 and 2 of Genesis is the allegorical account of creation. Specifically, the creation of the universe and everything in it from nothing and the evolution of space and time from cosmic evolution through the evolution of consciousness.

We know from science that space and time had a beginning. Specifically, red shift, cosmic background radiation, Friedmann's solutions to Einstein's field equations, quantum mechanics, the First Law of Thermodynamics, the Second Law of Thermodynamics and Inflation Theory.

Red shift, cosmic background radiation and Friedmann's solutions to Einstein's field equations tells us that all matter and energy in the universe once occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of an atom and then began to expand and cool. The the First Law of Thermodynamics (i.e. conservation of energy) tells us that since that time matter and energy has only changed form. Which means that the atoms in our bodies were created from nothing when space and and time were created from nothing.

Red shift, cosmic background radiation, Friedmann's solutions to Einstein's field equations and the Second Law of Thermodynamics tells us that space and time did have a beginning. If the universe is expanding then it must have a beginning. If you follow it backwards in time, then any object must come to a boundary of space time. You cannot continue that history indefinitely. This is still true even if a universe has periods of contraction. It still has to have a beginning if expansion over weights the contraction. Physicists have been uncomfortable with the idea of a beginning since the work of Friedman which showed that the solutions of Einstein's equation showed that the universe had a beginning. The problem with a cyclical universe is with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. For every matter to energy or energy to matter exchange there is a loss of usable energy. So while the total energy of the universe does not decrease, the usable energy of the universe does decrease. If it is a periodic or cyclical universe then the entropy will increase with each cycle. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is a fundamental law of nature which tells us that entropy can only increase or stay the same. Entropy can never decrease. Which means that in a finite amount of time, a finite system will reach a maximum state of disorder which is called thermal equilibrium and then it will stay in that state. A cyclical universe cannot avoid this problem. Since we do not see thermal equilibrium (good thing too because there would be no life) we know that the universe did have a beginning.

Inflation Theory, the First Law of Thermodynamics and quantum mechanics tells us that it is possible for matter to have a beginning. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe. In quantum mechanics if something is not forbidden by conservation laws, then it necessarily happens with some non-zero probability. So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool. In this description, the same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe which means that the laws were in place before the universe itself.

Chapters 1 and 2 of Genesis is the allegorical account of creation and describes that the universe was created in steps or stage or phases. Scientific evidence tells us that the universe started out as subatomic particles and very quickly formed hydrogen and helium. This is called cosmic evolution. The hydrogen and helium formed stellar structures such as galaxies. This is called stellar evolution. The supernovas of stars created all of the elements and compounds that we see through fusion. This is called chemical evolution. All of these stages or phases had to occur before inanimate matter could make the leap to life. An event we still do not fully understand although the best understanding is that it can only occur in hot, wet conditions with an atmosphere rich in certain chemical compounds. Even with these condition being present we do not know how these chemical compounds could fold themselves in just the correct sequence to create life capable of replicating itself. The amount of information required for life to replicate is staggering. But however life made this leap we know it had to begin from a single celled organism and evolved into evermore increasing complex life forms up to the point that beings that know and create eventually arose.

Chapters 1 and 2 of Genesis tells us that space and time had a beginning, that it was created in steps and that life came from inanimate matter.

 

[Taz]

God is perfect. Is He a machine or robot?

If god is perfect, then why is he making all those deformed and retarded babies?

Why do humans insist on subjecting their flesh beings to things that cause deformities?

Wtf are you talking about?

Why do humans subject themselves to things that cause deformities in the unborn? Pretty simple. You seem to want to blame God for human choices and errors.

Free will is the foundation of the Judeo-Christian faith.

Quite the opposite for collectivists.

You have to follow what the churches say, so no free will in religion.

 

[BreezeWood]

God played with molecules, forming codes to form other molecules and you can't either prove or disprove otherwise. (have fun trying) (really) (makes life interesting) (you will give up or die trying)

Unless you can demonstrate how molecular code (me) capable of building the computer that I am using sprang out of the mud.

Chemist frequently cause chemical reactions. You may add chemist to coder, programmer or creator if you so choose because we are the result of molecular chemical reactions initiated by a type of computer code that actually uses electricity to transmit thoughts in the brain as does the machine you are looking at. Thus you might want to add in electrician.

Or just the all purpose label God.

Here I thought God was all knowing. ……
So Gates is a God now. I love my windows but still......

Never said or implied that Gates was God, Gates is a dropout with no diploma to hang on the wall.

Something Good
Richard Rodgers


Album The Sound of Music

Perhaps I had a wicked childhood
Perhaps I had a miserable youth
But somewhere in my wicked, miserable past
There must have been a moment of truth
For here you are
Standing there
Loving me
Whether or not you should
So somewhere in my youth or childhood
I must have done something good

Nothing comes from nothing
Nothing ever could
So somewhere in my youth or childhood
I must have done something good

(-the captain-)
For here you are
Standing there
Loving me
Whether or not you should
(-maria-)
So somewhere in my youth or childhood
I must have done something good

(together)
Nothing comes from nothing
Nothing ever could
So somewhere in my youth or childhood
I must have done something good

Are you going to claim that I believe that Julie Andrews or Christopher Plummer is God now?

Again the only thing getting shrinked here is you

But have a listen

Nothing comes from nothing

exactly right, and neither did God come from nothing.

If one follows science then the earth is 5 billion years old and the universe is 13 billion years old, this means that there was 8 billion years of possibility before the first atoms of what would become earth stuck together and gained gravitation.

Do you believe that this message could have formed itself in a pond? Because the words you are reading are billions of times simpler than the simplest one celled bacterium that you claim wrote their own code to exist.

You will never accept that you were written into existence and that's ok because you will be dead and buried before you disprove my scientific logic.

This message exist, therefore you know that I am

RNA evolved to form DNA. Evolution began in water.

.

RNA evolved to form DNA. Evolution began in water.

- primordial pure water ...


* mud did not exist -

 

[Frannie]

God played with molecules, forming codes to form other molecules and you can't either prove or disprove otherwise. (have fun trying) (really) (makes life interesting) (you will give up or die trying)

Unless you can demonstrate how molecular code (me) capable of building the computer that I am using sprang out of the mud.

Chemist frequently cause chemical reactions. You may add chemist to coder, programmer or creator if you so choose because we are the result of molecular chemical reactions initiated by a type of computer code that actually uses electricity to transmit thoughts in the brain as does the machine you are looking at. Thus you might want to add in electrician.

Or just the all purpose label God.

Here I thought God was all knowing. ……
So Gates is a God now. I love my windows but still......

Never said or implied that Gates was God, Gates is a dropout with no diploma to hang on the wall.

Something Good
Richard Rodgers


Album The Sound of Music

Perhaps I had a wicked childhood
Perhaps I had a miserable youth
But somewhere in my wicked, miserable past
There must have been a moment of truth
For here you are
Standing there
Loving me
Whether or not you should
So somewhere in my youth or childhood
I must have done something good

Nothing comes from nothing
Nothing ever could
So somewhere in my youth or childhood
I must have done something good

(-the captain-)
For here you are
Standing there
Loving me
Whether or not you should
(-maria-)
So somewhere in my youth or childhood
I must have done something good

(together)
Nothing comes from nothing
Nothing ever could
So somewhere in my youth or childhood
I must have done something good

Are you going to claim that I believe that Julie Andrews or Christopher Plummer is God now?

Again the only thing getting shrinked here is you

But have a listen

Nothing comes from nothing

exactly right, and neither did God come from nothing.

If one follows science then the earth is 5 billion years old and the universe is 13 billion years old, this means that there was 8 billion years of possibility before the first atoms of what would become earth stuck together and gained gravitation.

Do you believe that this message could have formed itself in a pond? Because the words you are reading are billions of times simpler than the simplest one celled bacterium that you claim wrote their own code to exist.

You will never accept that you were written into existence and that's ok because you will be dead and buried before you disprove my scientific logic.

This message exist, therefore you know that I am

RNA evolved to form DNA. Evolution began in water.

Again evolution is what DNA does best, it is a program that achieves evolution. Without the program evolution can simply not happen, RNA does not create itself out of nothing then form DNA as DNA is complicated coding. Their is no known way known to science that programs write themselves, not computer operating systems or simple apps, it takes a creator and operating systems and the simplest app is far simpler than life. The current result of DNA is a 200 quadrillion operations per second computer US once again boasts the world's fastest supercomputer | ZDNet This was built by human DNA and is not the product of mud, no logic allows code to write itself in mud, thus God is a requirement for science.

So many focus on the flaws in DNA, disease and the mundane that can not achieve to discount God, but the mutations that are forming are clearly resulting in stronger, faster, and more intelligent individuals, thus it is not likely that mutations that are random would consistently move the species to the point of mastering the science to leave the Earth as it is clearly doing.

 

[Frannie]

Here I thought God was all knowing. ……
So Gates is a God now. I love my windows but still......

Never said or implied that Gates was God, Gates is a dropout with no diploma to hang on the wall.

Something Good
Richard Rodgers


Album The Sound of Music

Perhaps I had a wicked childhood
Perhaps I had a miserable youth
But somewhere in my wicked, miserable past
There must have been a moment of truth
For here you are
Standing there
Loving me
Whether or not you should
So somewhere in my youth or childhood
I must have done something good

Nothing comes from nothing
Nothing ever could
So somewhere in my youth or childhood
I must have done something good

(-the captain-)
For here you are
Standing there
Loving me
Whether or not you should
(-maria-)
So somewhere in my youth or childhood
I must have done something good

(together)
Nothing comes from nothing
Nothing ever could
So somewhere in my youth or childhood
I must have done something good

Are you going to claim that I believe that Julie Andrews or Christopher Plummer is God now?

Again the only thing getting shrinked here is you

But have a listen

Nothing comes from nothing

exactly right, and neither did God come from nothing.

If one follows science then the earth is 5 billion years old and the universe is 13 billion years old, this means that there was 8 billion years of possibility before the first atoms of what would become earth stuck together and gained gravitation.

Do you believe that this message could have formed itself in a pond? Because the words you are reading are billions of times simpler than the simplest one celled bacterium that you claim wrote their own code to exist.

You will never accept that you were written into existence and that's ok because you will be dead and buried before you disprove my scientific logic.

This message exist, therefore you know that I am

RNA evolved to form DNA. Evolution began in water.

.

RNA evolved to form DNA. Evolution began in water.

- primordial pure water ...


* mud did not exist -

Wrong mud existed, just lifeless, stirred by the atmosphere and erosion of rock. Though sterile mud today would be strange as current soil is typically broken down living matter. Your point is taken as the mud then would not have any broken down life in it making life from lifelessness impossible

 

[BreezeWood]

Never said or implied that Gates was God, Gates is a dropout with no diploma to hang on the wall.

Something Good
Richard Rodgers


Album The Sound of Music

Perhaps I had a wicked childhood
Perhaps I had a miserable youth
But somewhere in my wicked, miserable past
There must have been a moment of truth
For here you are
Standing there
Loving me
Whether or not you should
So somewhere in my youth or childhood
I must have done something good

Nothing comes from nothing
Nothing ever could
So somewhere in my youth or childhood
I must have done something good

(-the captain-)
For here you are
Standing there
Loving me
Whether or not you should
(-maria-)
So somewhere in my youth or childhood
I must have done something good

(together)
Nothing comes from nothing
Nothing ever could
So somewhere in my youth or childhood
I must have done something good

Are you going to claim that I believe that Julie Andrews or Christopher Plummer is God now?

Again the only thing getting shrinked here is you

But have a listen

Nothing comes from nothing

exactly right, and neither did God come from nothing.

If one follows science then the earth is 5 billion years old and the universe is 13 billion years old, this means that there was 8 billion years of possibility before the first atoms of what would become earth stuck together and gained gravitation.

Do you believe that this message could have formed itself in a pond? Because the words you are reading are billions of times simpler than the simplest one celled bacterium that you claim wrote their own code to exist.

You will never accept that you were written into existence and that's ok because you will be dead and buried before you disprove my scientific logic.

This message exist, therefore you know that I am

RNA evolved to form DNA. Evolution began in water.

.

RNA evolved to form DNA. Evolution began in water.

- primordial pure water ...


* mud did not exist -

Wrong mud existed, just lifeless, stirred by the atmosphere and erosion of rock. Though sterile mud today would be strange as current soil is typically broken down living matter. Your point is taken as the mud then would not have any broken down life in it making life from lifelessness impossible

.

Wrong mud existed, just lifeless, stirred by the atmosphere and erosion of rock. Though sterile mud today would be strange as current soil is typically broken down living matter. Your point is taken as the mud then would not have any broken down life in it making life from lifelessness impossible

without organic matter there would not be mud in the pond, only sediment at the bed.


making life from lifelessness impossible ...

from the elements to molecules to compounds in suspension or arising from the bed.

 

[Frannie]

exactly right, and neither did God come from nothing.

If one follows science then the earth is 5 billion years old and the universe is 13 billion years old, this means that there was 8 billion years of possibility before the first atoms of what would become earth stuck together and gained gravitation.

Do you believe that this message could have formed itself in a pond? Because the words you are reading are billions of times simpler than the simplest one celled bacterium that you claim wrote their own code to exist.

You will never accept that you were written into existence and that's ok because you will be dead and buried before you disprove my scientific logic.

This message exist, therefore you know that I am

RNA evolved to form DNA. Evolution began in water.

.

RNA evolved to form DNA. Evolution began in water.

- primordial pure water ...


* mud did not exist -

Wrong mud existed, just lifeless, stirred by the atmosphere and erosion of rock. Though sterile mud today would be strange as current soil is typically broken down living matter. Your point is taken as the mud then would not have any broken down life in it making life from lifelessness impossible

.

Wrong mud existed, just lifeless, stirred by the atmosphere and erosion of rock. Though sterile mud today would be strange as current soil is typically broken down living matter. Your point is taken as the mud then would not have any broken down life in it making life from lifelessness impossible

without organic matter there would not be mud in the pond, only sediment at the bed.


making life from lifelessness impossible ...

from the elements to molecules to compounds in suspension or arising from the bed.

You are right it would not be mud as we know it today, just stirred sediment. All the more reason that empty lifeless matter that we can not really envision could spawn life

 

[Frannie]

Think less know more.

The simplest life forms DNA has hundreds of thousands of lines of code, I know that the statistical probability of these lines of code forming themselves as a base 4 code then aligning themselves in exactly the proper order to form a life form is essentially null. I also know that modern science has disproved and teaches that spontaneous generation is impossible on one page, then on another says it happened in Darwins magical muddy pond. I also know that DNA evolves but that can not evolve until existing.

Why exactly do you reject God creating life, but accept that God created the Universe?

I do not accept god created the universe whatever you imagine god to be. Why don't you admit you are agnostic and don't know anything about who created the universe, instead you take the easy road out and believe in God, which God? The Jewish God, the Christian God , the Muslim God, etc. Which God do you believe in?

1. I have never said that I believe that God created the Universe...…………
2. I am a Christian and Jesus is with me, always, unless Jesus is busy and he ask his Father to hang with me.
3. No human, of any religion or atheist knows where the Universe came from or even what it is.
4. DNA is a complicated code that did not form itself in Darwin's mythical pond out of nothing because nothing decided to write complicated matter assembling code. Thus God is a scientific need, unless you believe that nothing decided to write complicated matter assembling code.
5. Nothing does not have the ability to write...………………….Prove otherwise

PS. The densest hard drive material known to man is DNA. It was created by a master creator and there is nothing you can do about it. Have fun trying

A DNA Hard Drive Has Been Built That Can Store Data For 1 MILLION Years

Your future DNA hard drive will use enzymes - SynBioBeta

Why don't you believe God created the universe?

Is it your belief that the universe just happened to exist and God took advantage of it?

Because believing anything about the creation of the universe when nothing is known about this is irrational. One may entertain theories but as said belief is irrational

Tons of things are known about the origin of the universe.

Chapters 1 and 2 of Genesis is the allegorical account of creation. Specifically, the creation of the universe and everything in it from nothing and the evolution of space and time from cosmic evolution through the evolution of consciousness.

We know from science that space and time had a beginning. Specifically, red shift, cosmic background radiation, Friedmann's solutions to Einstein's field equations, quantum mechanics, the First Law of Thermodynamics, the Second Law of Thermodynamics and Inflation Theory.

Red shift, cosmic background radiation and Friedmann's solutions to Einstein's field equations tells us that all matter and energy in the universe once occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of an atom and then began to expand and cool. The the First Law of Thermodynamics (i.e. conservation of energy) tells us that since that time matter and energy has only changed form. Which means that the atoms in our bodies were created from nothing when space and and time were created from nothing.

Red shift, cosmic background radiation, Friedmann's solutions to Einstein's field equations and the Second Law of Thermodynamics tells us that space and time did have a beginning. If the universe is expanding then it must have a beginning. If you follow it backwards in time, then any object must come to a boundary of space time. You cannot continue that history indefinitely. This is still true even if a universe has periods of contraction. It still has to have a beginning if expansion over weights the contraction. Physicists have been uncomfortable with the idea of a beginning since the work of Friedman which showed that the solutions of Einstein's equation showed that the universe had a beginning. The problem with a cyclical universe is with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. For every matter to energy or energy to matter exchange there is a loss of usable energy. So while the total energy of the universe does not decrease, the usable energy of the universe does decrease. If it is a periodic or cyclical universe then the entropy will increase with each cycle. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is a fundamental law of nature which tells us that entropy can only increase or stay the same. Entropy can never decrease. Which means that in a finite amount of time, a finite system will reach a maximum state of disorder which is called thermal equilibrium and then it will stay in that state. A cyclical universe cannot avoid this problem. Since we do not see thermal equilibrium (good thing too because there would be no life) we know that the universe did have a beginning.

Inflation Theory, the First Law of Thermodynamics and quantum mechanics tells us that it is possible for matter to have a beginning. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe. In quantum mechanics if something is not forbidden by conservation laws, then it necessarily happens with some non-zero probability. So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool. In this description, the same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe which means that the laws were in place before the universe itself.

Chapters 1 and 2 of Genesis is the allegorical account of creation and describes that the universe was created in steps or stage or phases. Scientific evidence tells us that the universe started out as subatomic particles and very quickly formed hydrogen and helium. This is called cosmic evolution. The hydrogen and helium formed stellar structures such as galaxies. This is called stellar evolution. The supernovas of stars created all of the elements and compounds that we see through fusion. This is called chemical evolution. All of these stages or phases had to occur before inanimate matter could make the leap to life. An event we still do not fully understand although the best understanding is that it can only occur in hot, wet conditions with an atmosphere rich in certain chemical compounds. Even with these condition being present we do not know how these chemical compounds could fold themselves in just the correct sequence to create life capable of replicating itself. The amount of information required for life to replicate is staggering. But however life made this leap we know it had to begin from a single celled organism and evolved into evermore increasing complex life forms up to the point that beings that know and create eventually arose.

Chapters 1 and 2 of Genesis tells us that space and time had a beginning, that it was created in steps and that life came from inanimate matter.

Dude you can not say that Genesis is allegory (fiction) then use it as fact

Unless

https://www.abilifymaintena.com/sch...lone&msclkid=22d412f2cb341405b07d4fcf1e18e2db

 

[Frannie]

And you claim that a code as vastly complicated as DNA wrote itself because nothing had nothing better to do than write code. That child is scientifically illiterate

 

[Penelope]

Yes DNA wrote itself, its evolved from 1 cell organisms.

 

[Frannie]

Yes DNA wrote itself, its evolved from 1 cell organisms.

When computer operating systems grow in ponds, not before

PS. Can you explain how DNA is the result of one celled organisms that can not exist without DNA? Presumably you do know that the smallest one celled organisms have hundreds of thousands of lines of DNA that can be in only one position for the cell to form, but that the cell only forms from another cell anyway.

Nope you can't demonstrate any of this, but have fun dying trying

 

[Penelope]

Yes DNA wrote itself, its evolved from 1 cell organisms.

When computer operating systems grow in ponds, not before

PS. Can you explain how DNA is the result of one celled organisms that can not exist without DNA? Presumably you do know that the smallest one celled organisms have hundreds of thousands of lines of DNA that can be in only one position for the cell to form, but that the cell only forms from another cell anyway.

Nope you can't demonstrate any of this, but have fun dying trying

No, look it up. The OP question is

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

My answer is : because God does not exist.

What is your answer:

 

[Frannie]

Yes DNA wrote itself, its evolved from 1 cell organisms.

When computer operating systems grow in ponds, not before

PS. Can you explain how DNA is the result of one celled organisms that can not exist without DNA? Presumably you do know that the smallest one celled organisms have hundreds of thousands of lines of DNA that can be in only one position for the cell to form, but that the cell only forms from another cell anyway.

Nope you can't demonstrate any of this, but have fun dying trying

No, look it up. The OP question is

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

My answer is : because God does not exist.

What is your answer:

I never once said that God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect.

What I did say is that DNA did not write itself in Darwin's warm little pond with all sorts magical elements that have always wanted to write code and that an intelligent being able to direct elements to assemble themselves into living beings by the most complicated and memory dense hard drive that also assembles the working computer was needed.

Ya know by the time this is over you are going to be fully shrink wrapped, you might even be breathing thru a straw.

But I like you because you are fun.

 

[Penelope]

Yes DNA wrote itself, its evolved from 1 cell organisms.

When computer operating systems grow in ponds, not before

PS. Can you explain how DNA is the result of one celled organisms that can not exist without DNA? Presumably you do know that the smallest one celled organisms have hundreds of thousands of lines of DNA that can be in only one position for the cell to form, but that the cell only forms from another cell anyway.

Nope you can't demonstrate any of this, but have fun dying trying

No, look it up. The OP question is

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

My answer is : because God does not exist.

What is your answer:

I never once said that God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect.

What I did say is that DNA did not write itself in Darwin's warm little pond with all sorts magical elements that have always wanted to write code and that an intelligent being able to direct elements to assemble themselves into living beings by the most complicated and memory dense hard drive that also assembles the working computer was needed.

Ya know by the time this is over you are going to be fully shrink wrapped, you might even be breathing thru a straw.

But I like you because you are fun.

A little warm pond like a cell!
Charles Darwin was reluctant to publish his views on life's origin. His only speculations on the subject are known from a private letter to his friend and colleague Joseph Hooker, in which he speaks of a 'warm little pond' in which the first molecules of life could have formed.

A new and controversial study suggests Darwin's stab in the dark hit close to truth. In the article that was published earlier this week, researchers claim that the first cells evolved in volcanic pools. This new hypothesis brings the origin of life debate back from the depths of the oceans to the surface of the earth - other scientists believe hydrothermal vents in the deep sea are the most conducive environments for nascent life.

The researchers, led by Armen Mulkidjanian, presume that the chemistry of modern cells mirror the original environment in which life first evolved. Since oceans and cells are chemically dissimilar, they think it is unlikely life evolved there. The chemical nature of volcanic pools, or 'warm little ponds', resembles the cell's composition of its cytoplasm much more closely.
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The backbone of DNA is made of phosphate, many ancient proteins require zinc, and the cell needs potassium ions to solder amino acids together in the manufacture proteins, one of the most important chemical reactions in life.
The backbone of DNA is made of phosphate, many ancient proteins require zinc, and the cell needs potassium ions to solder amino acids together in the manufacture proteins, one of the most important chemical reactions in life.
Did life evolve in a `warm little pond'?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Their is no known way known to science that programs write themselves

So what? Thats a stupid argument. "Because I don't understand, therefore impossible." Dumbest argument ever. If we bought into that argument, we would still be living in caves.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

If we were perfect, we'd just choose good.

But isn't good what god wants us to choose? And if so, evil is unnecessary.

There's no choice if there's no evil, and choice is meaningless if there's only one. The point is choice, hence agency, otherwise he has only created drones. This is not complicated.

There's no choice if only one pick is valid and the other pick condemns you to a lake of fire for eternity. This is not complicated.

It's not that only one is valid, it's that people only consider one desirable. That doesn't stop you, so how can you claim there's only one choice? You prove he has given you agency in absolutely everything you do.

It's your decision to bathe in the lake of fire or not. If he had created everyone perfect, they would not be able to choose the lake of fire if they wanted to be separated for eternity.

Just because you refuse to acknowledge the existence of a choice, does not mean that one does not exist.