If There Is No God, Murder Is Not Wrong

[harmonica]

Absolute nonsense. Every culture has had laws against harming others, whether murder, rape or just assault. There have been social classes that were exempt, but that is more about corruption than about morality.

I have had numerous people tell me that without God people would murder and rape as much as they wanted. I find that laughable. Right now I murder and rape as much as I want.

Many cultures have not. In just the past century godless Governments have slaughtered over 262 MILLION of their OWN CITIZENS.

And they did it because they FELT it was the right thing to do.

“If there is no God, murder isn't wrong.”

This fails as a non sequitur fallacy.

Ethical and moral values are perfectly capable of functioning absent a believe in a ‘god’ or religious dogma – including the principle that murder is wrong.

this is true--thank you

 

[G.T.]

Absolute nonsense. Every culture has had laws against harming others, whether murder, rape or just assault. There have been social classes that were exempt, but that is more about corruption than about morality.

I have had numerous people tell me that without God people would murder and rape as much as they wanted. I find that laughable. Right now I murder and rape as much as I want.

Many cultures have not. In just the past century godless Governments have slaughtered over 262 MILLION of their OWN CITIZENS.

And they did it because they FELT it was the right thing to do.

“If there is no God, murder isn't wrong.”

This fails as a non sequitur fallacy.

Ethical and moral values are perfectly capable of functioning absent a believe in a ‘god’ or religious dogma – including the principle that murder is wrong.

Ethical and moral values are perfectly capable of functioning absent a believe in a ‘god’ or religious dogma – including the principle that murder is wrong.

You refer to mere opinion, which validates the OP.
North Korea has their opinion on morality, other societies have theirs.

Theres no opinion necessary as to which moral systems work better within a society. Does your brain not work? Do you need to touch a hot stove more than once to know it burns, dumbass? Is the burn an opinion?

 

[WinterBorn]

Absolute nonsense. Every culture has had laws against harming others, whether murder, rape or just assault. There have been social classes that were exempt, but that is more about corruption than about morality.

I have had numerous people tell me that without God people would murder and rape as much as they wanted. I find that laughable. Right now I murder and rape as much as I want.

Many cultures have not. In just the past century godless Governments have slaughtered over 262 MILLION of their OWN CITIZENS.

And they did it because they FELT it was the right thing to do.

“If there is no God, murder isn't wrong.”

This fails as a non sequitur fallacy.

Ethical and moral values are perfectly capable of functioning absent a believe in a ‘god’ or religious dogma – including the principle that murder is wrong.

Ethical and moral values are perfectly capable of functioning absent a believe in a ‘god’ or religious dogma – including the principle that murder is wrong.

You refer to mere opinion, which validates the OP.
North Korea has their opinion on morality, other societies have theirs.

So in North Korea murder is legal? Not gov't actions, but civilians murdering each other?

 

[Weatherman2020]

If there is no God, murder isn't wrong. You may think it's wrong, but how do you know it's wrong? As Dennis Prager explains, without God, all morality is mere opinion.

correct--there is no god
...any way, humans have been murdering/raping/robbing/getting jealous/hateful/etc since they were human!! = not a sin--it's what humans do

Yep. And without a higher authority compelling us to not murder, we will do what we think we can get away with.

I dont need a higher authority compelling me not to murder, psychopath.

Thread is not about your opinion.

Doh!

 

[Weatherman2020]

Absolute nonsense. Every culture has had laws against harming others, whether murder, rape or just assault. There have been social classes that were exempt, but that is more about corruption than about morality.

I have had numerous people tell me that without God people would murder and rape as much as they wanted. I find that laughable. Right now I murder and rape as much as I want.

Many cultures have not. In just the past century godless Governments have slaughtered over 262 MILLION of their OWN CITIZENS.

And they did it because they FELT it was the right thing to do.

“If there is no God, murder isn't wrong.”

This fails as a non sequitur fallacy.

Ethical and moral values are perfectly capable of functioning absent a believe in a ‘god’ or religious dogma – including the principle that murder is wrong.

Ethical and moral values are perfectly capable of functioning absent a believe in a ‘god’ or religious dogma – including the principle that murder is wrong.

You refer to mere opinion, which validates the OP.
North Korea has their opinion on morality, other societies have theirs.

So in North Korea murder is legal? Not gov't actions, but civilians murdering each other?

Think of NK has a giant Nazi concentration camp.

 

[percysunshine]

If there is no God, murder isn't wrong. You may think it's wrong, but how do you know it's wrong? As Dennis Prager explains, without God, all morality is mere opinion.

correct--there is no god
...any way, humans have been murdering/raping/robbing/getting jealous/hateful/etc since they were human!! = not a sin--it's what humans do

Yep. And without a higher authority compelling us to not murder, we will do what we think we can get away with.

I dont need a higher authority compelling me not to murder, psychopath.

Well, someone taught you that it was a bad thing. Mr. Rogers?

 

[G.T.]

If there is no God, murder isn't wrong. You may think it's wrong, but how do you know it's wrong? As Dennis Prager explains, without God, all morality is mere opinion.

correct--there is no god
...any way, humans have been murdering/raping/robbing/getting jealous/hateful/etc since they were human!! = not a sin--it's what humans do

Yep. And without a higher authority compelling us to not murder, we will do what we think we can get away with.

I dont need a higher authority compelling me not to murder, psychopath.

Thread is not about your opinion.

Doh!

No shit, its about religious zealouts who magically stop thinking with their brains when they imagine where morals come from...because they have no idea how to analyze cause and effect, and which effect evolution has us striving for.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Absolute nonsense. Every culture has had laws against harming others, whether murder, rape or just assault. There have been social classes that were exempt, but that is more about corruption than about morality.

I have had numerous people tell me that without God people would murder and rape as much as they wanted. I find that laughable. Right now I murder and rape as much as I want.

Many cultures have not. In just the past century godless Governments have slaughtered over 262 MILLION of their OWN CITIZENS.

And they did it because they FELT it was the right thing to do.

“If there is no God, murder isn't wrong.”

This fails as a non sequitur fallacy.

Ethical and moral values are perfectly capable of functioning absent a believe in a ‘god’ or religious dogma – including the principle that murder is wrong.

Ethical and moral values are perfectly capable of functioning absent a believe in a ‘god’ or religious dogma – including the principle that murder is wrong.

Yep. And Charles Manson’s ethics are equal to yours. Everyone can define what morality is if there is no higher authority.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

To be clear I am agnostic, not atheist. That being said I don't need a God to tell me that taking life from another human unnecessarily is wrong. Morality being constructed by humans doesn't bother me. It doesn't make it less relevant or meaningful to me. What kind of person needs divine guidance to not be a murderer?

You dont get that your current morality came from the culture in which you grew up. That is pliable depending on the current state of "morality" which is why abortion and sodomy have "evolved" into a protected right.

 

[G.T.]

If there is no God, murder isn't wrong. You may think it's wrong, but how do you know it's wrong? As Dennis Prager explains, without God, all morality is mere opinion.

correct--there is no god
...any way, humans have been murdering/raping/robbing/getting jealous/hateful/etc since they were human!! = not a sin--it's what humans do

Yep. And without a higher authority compelling us to not murder, we will do what we think we can get away with.

I dont need a higher authority compelling me not to murder, psychopath.

Well, someone taught you that it was a bad thing. Mr. Rogers?

I dug for the reasoning behind the stigma with murder, and it's objectively correct. When a community is free to murder, it doesnt last. Cause/effect. Simple stuff.

 

[deanrd]

If there is no God, murder isn't wrong. You may think it's wrong, but how do you know it's wrong? As Dennis Prager explains, without God, all morality is mere opinion.

This is why I’ve always been worried that if Christians lose their faith, there’s nothing to hold them back from all their evil intentions.

Look how awful they are now and they claim to follow a moral God.

So what faith holds secularists back from their evil intentions?

We are all human.

Some are more human than others. You wouldn’t understand.

So all humans are not equal?

Please educate us.

There is no God in the word humanity.

There’s a reason someone will ask, don’t you have any humanity?

Like I said, you wouldn’t understand.

 

[Weatherman2020]

If there is no God, murder isn't wrong. You may think it's wrong, but how do you know it's wrong? As Dennis Prager explains, without God, all morality is mere opinion.

correct--there is no god
...any way, humans have been murdering/raping/robbing/getting jealous/hateful/etc since they were human!! = not a sin--it's what humans do

Yep. And without a higher authority compelling us to not murder, we will do what we think we can get away with.

I dont need a higher authority compelling me not to murder, psychopath.

Thread is not about your opinion.

Doh!

No shit, its about religious zealouts who magically stop thinking with their brains when they imagine where morals come from...because they have no idea how to analyze cause and effect, and which effect evolution has us striving for.

You think your opinion is superior. That’s an opinion with no facts supporting it.

 

[G.T.]

correct--there is no god
...any way, humans have been murdering/raping/robbing/getting jealous/hateful/etc since they were human!! = not a sin--it's what humans do

Yep. And without a higher authority compelling us to not murder, we will do what we think we can get away with.

I dont need a higher authority compelling me not to murder, psychopath.

Thread is not about your opinion.

Doh!

No shit, its about religious zealouts who magically stop thinking with their brains when they imagine where morals come from...because they have no idea how to analyze cause and effect, and which effect evolution has us striving for.

You think your opinion is superior. That’s an opinion with no facts supporting it.

Its not opinion, ita science corky.

Your god is an opinion, and he's also flip flopped into and out of genocide, and the murder/suicide of his son. Sick shit.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Yep. And without a higher authority compelling us to not murder, we will do what we think we can get away with.

I dont need a higher authority compelling me not to murder, psychopath.

Thread is not about your opinion.

Doh!

No shit, its about religious zealouts who magically stop thinking with their brains when they imagine where morals come from...because they have no idea how to analyze cause and effect, and which effect evolution has us striving for.

You think your opinion is superior. That’s an opinion with no facts supporting it.

Its not opinion, ita science corky.

Your god is an opinion, and he's also flip flopped into and out of genocide, and the murder/suicide of his son. Sick shit.

Your opinion is just as moral as Jeffery Dahmers was.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Yep. And without a higher authority compelling us to not murder, we will do what we think we can get away with.

I dont need a higher authority compelling me not to murder, psychopath.

Thread is not about your opinion.

Doh!

No shit, its about religious zealouts who magically stop thinking with their brains when they imagine where morals come from...because they have no idea how to analyze cause and effect, and which effect evolution has us striving for.

You think your opinion is superior. That’s an opinion with no facts supporting it.

Its not opinion, ita science corky.

Your god is an opinion, and he's also flip flopped into and out of genocide, and the murder/suicide of his son. Sick shit.

Watch the video instead of beating your dead horse.

 

[percysunshine]

If there is no God, murder isn't wrong. You may think it's wrong, but how do you know it's wrong? As Dennis Prager explains, without God, all morality is mere opinion.

correct--there is no god
...any way, humans have been murdering/raping/robbing/getting jealous/hateful/etc since they were human!! = not a sin--it's what humans do

Yep. And without a higher authority compelling us to not murder, we will do what we think we can get away with.

I dont need a higher authority compelling me not to murder, psychopath.

Well, someone taught you that it was a bad thing. Mr. Rogers?

I dug for the reasoning behind the stigma with murder, and it's objectively correct. When a community is free to murder, it doesnt last. Cause/effect. Simple stuff.

So, like, you agree with one of the ten commandments.

 

[Weatherman2020]

If there is no God, murder isn't wrong. You may think it's wrong, but how do you know it's wrong? As Dennis Prager explains, without God, all morality is mere opinion.

This is why I’ve always been worried that if Christians lose their faith, there’s nothing to hold them back from all their evil intentions.

Look how awful they are now and they claim to follow a moral God.

So what faith holds secularists back from their evil intentions?

We are all human.

Some are more human than others. You wouldn’t understand.

So all humans are not equal?

Please educate us.

There is no God in the word humanity.

There’s a reason someone will ask, don’t you have any humanity?

Like I said, you wouldn’t understand.

The Nazi experiments upon people served a purpose. They saw no wrong in doing what they did.

 

[Weatherman2020]

If there is no God, murder isn't wrong. You may think it's wrong, but how do you know it's wrong? As Dennis Prager explains, without God, all morality is mere opinion.

correct--there is no god
...any way, humans have been murdering/raping/robbing/getting jealous/hateful/etc since they were human!! = not a sin--it's what humans do

Yep. And without a higher authority compelling us to not murder, we will do what we think we can get away with.

I dont need a higher authority compelling me not to murder, psychopath.

Well, someone taught you that it was a bad thing. Mr. Rogers?

I dug for the reasoning behind the stigma with murder, and it's objectively correct. When a community is free to murder, it doesnt last. Cause/effect. Simple stuff.

They don’t last because people with Judeo-Christian beliefs end up stopping them. Sometimes it takes centuries.

 

[percysunshine]

If there is no God, murder isn't wrong. You may think it's wrong, but how do you know it's wrong? As Dennis Prager explains, without God, all morality is mere opinion.

This is why I’ve always been worried that if Christians lose their faith, there’s nothing to hold them back from all their evil intentions.

Look how awful they are now and they claim to follow a moral God.

So what faith holds secularists back from their evil intentions?

We are all human.

Some are more human than others. You wouldn’t understand.

So all humans are not equal?

Please educate us.

There is no God in the word humanity.

There’s a reason someone will ask, don’t you have any humanity?

Like I said, you wouldn’t understand.

So evade the issue?.

A common response from progressives who are uncomfortable dealing with ...uncertainty.

 

[G.T.]

I dont need a higher authority compelling me not to murder, psychopath.

Thread is not about your opinion.

Doh!

No shit, its about religious zealouts who magically stop thinking with their brains when they imagine where morals come from...because they have no idea how to analyze cause and effect, and which effect evolution has us striving for.

You think your opinion is superior. That’s an opinion with no facts supporting it.

Its not opinion, ita science corky.

Your god is an opinion, and he's also flip flopped into and out of genocide, and the murder/suicide of his son. Sick shit.

Watch the video instead of beating your dead horse.

Im well studied on the topic. Cause and effect is all thats necessary for morals. Not your sky daddy or anyones opinion. Future testable predictions=science.

North Korea, for example. Their moral system is bankrupt, and as a result, their survivability rating is close to least on earth. Fact, not opinion.

Just because you religious zealouts cannot grasp simple concepts, doesnt make the rest of humanity that brainwashed corkster.

 

[dblack]

If there is no God, murder isn't wrong. You may think it's wrong, but how do you know it's wrong? As Dennis Prager explains, without God, all morality is mere opinion.

correct--there is no god
...any way, humans have been murdering/raping/robbing/getting jealous/hateful/etc since they were human!! = not a sin--it's what humans do

Yep. And without a higher authority compelling us to not murder, we will do what we think we can get away with.

Speak for yourself. As for me, morality isn't about obeying authority. It's about recognizing that we are social animals and need each other to survive.