In my fourth attempt to get information, I ask forum Democrats to provide proof that Russia...

[Snouter]

Jesus Christ, some retards still appear to buy the fake Russian narrative. No offense oreo, but what high school did you graduate from again?

 

[oreo]

Well good for you, Junior. Now all you need to work on is your reading skills. No one was disputing the existence of the 17 agencies, only the number who had the info in question. Four of them, not all seventeen.

There are myriad ways all 17 agencies could have been involved. Whether by direct involvement or by some other validation iit is possible for all 17 agencies to concur. What makes you so sure that didn't happen?

It was originally British intelligence (a member of the 5 eyes--countries that share intelligence with us)--that notified the CIA about all this contact between Trump associates and Russia.

Britain's Government Communications Headquarters became aware of suspicious "interactions" between associates of Donald Trump and suspected or known Russian operatives in late 2015. The European agencies "were saying: 'There are contacts going on between people close to Mr. Trump and people we believe are Russian intelligence agents. You should be wary of this.' The message was: 'Watch out. There's something not right here.'" The Guardian reported on Thursday.

'There's something not right here': British spies warned the US about 'extensive' contact between Trump team and Russia

Then the CIA warned the FBI

The CIA alerted the FBI to a troubling pattern of contacts between Russian officials and associates of the Trump campaign last year, former agency director John Brennan testified on Tuesday, shedding new light on the origin of a criminal probe that now reaches into the White House.

CIA director alerted FBI to pattern of contacts between Russian officials and Trump campaign associates

It blew up when Trump surrogates met the Russian ambassador at the RNC convention in July and actually sat down with him to write foreign policy--(on an election they were even close to winning.)

Gordon had advocated for language in the GOP platform that the Ukrainians not be armed in their battle against pro-Russian separatists, an effort was ultimately successful. But Gordon says he was simply advocating what Trump himself had expressed -- that he did not wish to see major war break out over the situation in Ukraine.

More Trump advisers disclose meeting with Russia's ambassador - CNNPolitics.com

This is also when James Comey testified that the Russian investigation started.
Comey says FBI began investigation into Russia meddling in July

Just last week, Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manafort, was forced to register as a Foreign agent by the DOJ--receiving 17 million dollars from Russia for work he did for them in the 2012-2014 era--regarding the Ukraine--Russia-- in relation to policy of the United States.
Paul Manafort retroactively registers with Justice Dept. as foreign agent

Go back to page 2 post # 19 and you'll learn a lot more.

The following excerpt from post #19 was the only relevance I saw there pertaining to U.S. Intelligence involvement in the Trump/associates Russian scandal.
Frankly, that blurb is ambiguous at best. The word "source" is made plural to indicate multiple agencies warned Israeli Intelligence of apparent skulduggery but stops short of enumeration or identification of those agencies.

t appears that U.S. Intelligence sources warned Israeli Intelligence to not give sensitive information to Trump, out of concern that he was compromised by the Russians.
The source of the intel Trump shared with Russia reportedly was warned months ago not to give it to him
US spies 'warned Israel not to share intelligence with Trump'

That excerpt from post #19 is better supported by this:

Quietly oh so quietly the New York Times issued a mega correction to the claim that all 17 agencies agreed it was the Russians.

You know the one. The one all the freaking liberal left wing whackos have been quoting all these months.



Correction: June 29, 2017
A White House Memo article on Monday about President Trump’s deflections and denials about Russia referred incorrectly to the source of an intelligence assessment that said Russia orchestrated hacking attacks during last year’s presidential election.

The assessment was made by four intelligence agencies — the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency. The assessment was not approved by all 17 organizations in the American intelligence community.

Trump’s Deflections and Denials on Russia Frustrate Even His Allies

Well, I thought that summed it up until I read this:

Clapper was the head of the DNI and said that he represented all the other agencies under him, and all of the heads of those agencies agreed with his assessment.

You should like this link:

James Clapper Corrects Left's Narrative On Russia Election

No, only 4 actively took part in the intelligence gathering process. You have your stuff backwards. He represents 14 total agencies, and he spoke with the leaders of the other agencies and shared the intelligence with them, and they all agreed Russia hacked the election.

All agencies agreed with Clapper's assessment.

After sifting through all of the above, I found myself holding onto my original premise that all 17 agencies had some part in collecting or adding some component to collecting evidence of Russian hacking. That 4 agencies assessed the collected evidence didn't change my mind. Obscure semantics and lexicon obfuscation could work either way here. As an aside, I don't find it unreasonable to think each of the 17 U.S. Intelligence agencies have Russian operatives under some kind of surveillance. I would surmise that those 17 reports are coordinated frequently, probably by the CIA. It sounds good!

James Clapper admitted that he wouldn't have been privy to all of this information--as I agree with you that intelligence was coming in from everywhere (not just the CIA or FBI.) Another thing that is interesting--after Barack Obama watched what James Comey did to Hillary Clinton--would have trusted him to be the source of information or lead on this investigation. I think not. Comey was also and stll is under investigation for his interference into this election.
DOJ to Investigate James Comey and the FBI

Remember it was Obama that ordered this investigation to be done before he left office. And it is stated that he preserved intelligence, meaning he had no intentions of turning it over to James Comey or the Trump administration or anyone with an R behind their name.

In the final hours of Barack Obama's presidency, some White House officials reportedly raced to spread and preserve information about possible communications between associates of then-candidate Donald Trump and Russians. The New York Times, citing former American officials, reported that these officials were concerned that the information they were gaining on the Russian meddling in the election and the possible campaign contact could be compromised with the new administration, and they wanted to set up any future investigation with the information.

Obama administration reportedly raced to preserve intelligence on possible contact between Russians and Trump associates

So this indicates that most of this intelligence is coming in from other places and not just U.S. sources. Clearly Trump and his associates were being closely watched by several foreign intelligence agencies that share information with us.

Haven't you wondered why foreign intelligence agencies were watching Trump and his associates so closely? For one thing, his anti-NATO stance got their attention.But don't think our intelligence agencies didn't notice also.
And when Trump decided to publicly deride U.S. Intelligence he just did not know what he was getting himself into.
I suspect the U.S. Intelligence agencies knew about the Trump/associates connections to Russia before the foreign agencies did. But when it became clearer that Trump would be president, the U.S. agencies shared the data with foreign associate agencies to act as surrogates in disseminating Information that would have been problematic for U.S. intelligence to make public.

Nope British Intelligence picked this up in the later part of 2015--and I don't believe that Trump was trashing NATO during that time period. And if you remember James Comey was real busy looking at 1000's of Hillary Clinton's emails. I really don't think our intelligence got involved until July 2016.

British and other European intelligence agencies intercepted communications between associates of Donald Trump and Russian officials and other Russian individuals during the campaign and passed on those communications to their US counterparts, US congressional and law enforcement and US and European intelligence sources tell CNN. The communications were captured during routine surveillance of Russian officials and other Russians known to western intelligence. British and European intelligence agencies, including GCHQ, the British intelligence agency responsible for communications surveillance, were not proactively targeting members of the Trump team but rather picked up these communications during what's known as "incidental collection," these sources tell CNN The European intelligence agencies detected multiple communications over several months between the Trump associates and Russian individuals -- and passed on that intelligence to the US. The US and Britain are part of the so-called "Five Eyes" agreement (along with Canada, Australia and New Zealand), which calls for open sharing among member nations of a broad range of intelligence. .

British intelligence passed Trump associates' talks with Russian on to US counterparts - CNNPolitics.com

 

[Siete]

Jesus Christ, some retards still appear to buy the fake Russian narrative. No offense oreo, but what high school did you graduate from again?

get him to explain the investigations arent over yet, and if you want the details of an ongoing Federal investigation go get some security clearance


ya idget.

 

[deanrd]

If Russia helped Trump win the election, please explain what they're getting for their help.

Hillary Clinton took a bribe from the Russians and they gained a huge pile of uranium.

Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

Wouldn't the Russians have preferred Hillary, since they already had a great working relationship?

You guys work so hard on ignorance. There must must a reason for it. Because it feeds your delusions?

The Uranium deal goes through the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. Not the State Department. Try to figure out why. Hint: Uranium - Nuclear? Is that clue enough?

 

[oreo]

Jesus Christ, some retards still appear to buy the fake Russian narrative. No offense oreo, but what high school did you graduate from again? [/QUOTE

There's one thing I have learned when people make comments like you just did. You don't want to know anything that doesn't suit your political leanings or what you want to believe. So you end up defending your own ignorance with comments like this. Trying to reason with a Trump supporter is like trying to teach algebra to a chimpanzee.

Partisan politics often results in seeing the truth, knowing the truth while still defending and promoting the lies.

Page 2 post # 19 will give you a fairly good idea of what special prosector Robert Mueller is looking at.

There's one thing I have learned when people make comments like you just did. You don't want to know anything that doesn't suit your political leanings, or you only believe what you want to believe. So you end up defending your own ignorance with comments like this. Trying to reason with a Trump supporter is like trying to teach algebra to a chimpanzee.

Partisan politics often results in seeing the truth, knowing the truth while still defending and promoting the lies.

Page 2 post # 19 will give you a fairly good idea of what special prosector, Robert Mueller is looking at. By no means is this investigation over--there's going to be more coming. If you turn off Sean Hannity, Trump's fairly godfather show--and switch the channel over to any other news media outlet (other than FOX News)---you're going to learn a heck of a lot more than you know now. FOX news and every right wing talk show host out there, OWNS Trump. They gave him an unprecedented 2 billion in free news coverage while ignoring all other GOP candidates and promoted him to no end. They are going to protect him by keeping information from their audiences. They're all in full panic spin mode right now.
But WHY is CNN crushing Fox News in the ratings?
$2 Billion Worth of Free Media for Donald Trump
In Trump era, Rachel Maddow starts beating Fox News
The GOP That Failed

 

[oreo]

...influenced the election, or that Trump colluded with the Russians in influencing the election.

Why are you asking USMB members to prove something that is part of an ongoing investigation?

So far what we know is that Russia tried to influence the election- and that there is no evidence of collusion.

Hopefully- the investigation will conclude with more answers- including concluding that there was no collusion.

Meanwhile- if you want more information about Russia's attempt to corrupt our election, I refer you to the testimony of the FBI and CIA chiefs.

What proof came out of the testimony?

No one is on this board to babysit you. If you haven't been paying any attention to Senate testimony it's your problem, no one elses.

The CIA, the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security along with 14 other intelligence agencies are all in agreement that Russia hacked into the DNC databases. James Comey and others have already testified to that.
Why Experts Think Russia Hacked the DNC Emails

The only one that has continually denied it, (until Senate Intelligence committee members broke down his door, and he had a change of mind) was Trump.

Now if you want to go back to page 2--post # 19 on this thread you'll find Trump's involvement into this now Russian criminal investigation, and he himself is now under criminal investigation for Obstruction of Justice--an impeachable offense. You will find out what we know now.
Wash. Post: Mueller investigating Trump for obstruction - CNNPolitics.com

Keeping in mind that this investigation is ongoing, and since it is now a criminal investigation, and no longer just a congressional probe, as Lindsey Graham explained, there won't be as much public information coming out, as they have all been told to clam up and lawyer up--which is what they've been doing.
http://nypost.com/2017/05/18/lindsey-graham-russia-probe-now-a-criminal-investigation/

Clapper disagrees with you that all 17 agencies agreed.

No Clapper never said that. Clapper said this:

Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said he does not know if there was collusion between President Trump's campaign and Russia and that he was not privy to the details of the counterintelligence investigation. "I don't know if there was collusion or not," Clapper said during an interview Friday with MSNBC. "I don't know if there was evidence of collusion or not, nor should I have."

You can watch him say it on video at this link.
James Clapper doesn't know if there was Trump, Russia collusion

Adam Schiff cochair of the house intelligence committee had this to say, in response to Clappers first statement that he had seen no evidence of collusion.

 

[JBond]

Jesus Christ, some retards still appear to buy the fake Russian narrative. No offense oreo, but what high school did you graduate from again? [/QUOTE

There's one thing I have learned when people make comments like you just did. You don't want to know anything that doesn't suit your political leanings or what you want to believe. So you end up defending your own ignorance with comments like this. Trying to reason with a Trump supporter is like trying to teach algebra to a chimpanzee.

Partisan politics often results in seeing the truth, knowing the truth while still defending and promoting the lies.

Page 2 post # 19 will give you a fairly good idea of what special prosector Robert Mueller is looking at.

There's one thing I have learned when people make comments like you just did. You don't want to know anything that doesn't suit your political leanings, or you only believe what you want to believe. So you end up defending your own ignorance with comments like this. Trying to reason with a Trump supporter is like trying to teach algebra to a chimpanzee.

Partisan politics often results in seeing the truth, knowing the truth while still defending and promoting the lies.

Page 2 post # 19 will give you a fairly good idea of what special prosector, Robert Mueller is looking at. By no means is this investigation over--there's going to be more coming. If you turn off Sean Hannity, Trump's fairly godfather show--and switch the channel over to any other news media outlet (other than FOX News)---you're going to learn a heck of a lot more than you know now. FOX news and every right wing talk show host out there, OWNS Trump. They gave him an unprecedented 2 billion in free news coverage while ignoring all other GOP candidates and promoted him to no end. They are going to protect him by keeping information from their audiences. They're all in full panic spin mode right now.
But WHY is CNN crushing Fox News in the ratings?
$2 Billion Worth of Free Media for Donald Trump
In Trump era, Rachel Maddow starts beating Fox News
The GOP That Failed

On Tuesday, CNN’s primetime viewership peaked at only 886,000 overall viewers, whereas MSNBC peaked at 2.77M and Fox News peaked at 2.79M viewers. In the coveted 25-54-year-old demographic, CNN was only able to amass 308,000 viewers at its peak.

On Wednesday, it was much of the same. CNN peaked at 908,000 viewers where Fox and MSNBC both peaked over 2 million. The 25-54-year-old demographic was just as dismal.

CNN gets huge reality check in the ratings department after weeks of journalism embarrassments – TheBlaze

 

[oreo]

Jesus Christ, some retards still appear to buy the fake Russian narrative. No offense oreo, but what high school did you graduate from again? [/QUOTE

There's one thing I have learned when people make comments like you just did. You don't want to know anything that doesn't suit your political leanings or what you want to believe. So you end up defending your own ignorance with comments like this. Trying to reason with a Trump supporter is like trying to teach algebra to a chimpanzee.

Partisan politics often results in seeing the truth, knowing the truth while still defending and promoting the lies.

Page 2 post # 19 will give you a fairly good idea of what special prosector Robert Mueller is looking at.

There's one thing I have learned when people make comments like you just did. You don't want to know anything that doesn't suit your political leanings, or you only believe what you want to believe. So you end up defending your own ignorance with comments like this. Trying to reason with a Trump supporter is like trying to teach algebra to a chimpanzee.

Partisan politics often results in seeing the truth, knowing the truth while still defending and promoting the lies.

Page 2 post # 19 will give you a fairly good idea of what special prosector, Robert Mueller is looking at. By no means is this investigation over--there's going to be more coming. If you turn off Sean Hannity, Trump's fairly godfather show--and switch the channel over to any other news media outlet (other than FOX News)---you're going to learn a heck of a lot more than you know now. FOX news and every right wing talk show host out there, OWNS Trump. They gave him an unprecedented 2 billion in free news coverage while ignoring all other GOP candidates and promoted him to no end. They are going to protect him by keeping information from their audiences. They're all in full panic spin mode right now.
But WHY is CNN crushing Fox News in the ratings?
$2 Billion Worth of Free Media for Donald Trump
In Trump era, Rachel Maddow starts beating Fox News
The GOP That Failed

On Tuesday, CNN’s primetime viewership peaked at only 886,000 overall viewers, whereas MSNBC peaked at 2.77M and Fox News peaked at 2.79M viewers. In the coveted 25-54-year-old demographic, CNN was only able to amass 308,000 viewers at its peak.

On Wednesday, it was much of the same. CNN peaked at 908,000 viewers where Fox and MSNBC both peaked over 2 million. The 25-54-year-old demographic was just as dismal.

CNN gets huge reality check in the ratings department after weeks of journalism embarrassments – TheBlaze

I don't consider "Blaze" to be a credible source of information. Fox News has not only lost some of their prime time stars but they have lost a lot of viewers since the primary and will continue to drop,since they're clearly not reporting on what has been going on with this Russian investigation.

Furthermore, Sean Hannity--the Trump fairy godfather show was promoting a completely fabricated story (Seth Rich). Fox News was threatened a law suit over it, before they pulled the story. Even FOX News staffers were disgusted with it.
Family of slain DNC staffer demands retraction and apology from Fox News, local TV station
Fox News staffers 'disgusted' at network's promotion of Seth Rich conspiracy theory

This was Hannity's attempt at spining the story away from Julian Assange (Wikileaks) founder that he has been praising throughout the campaign season. Julian Assange who was recently labled an enemy intelligence source of this Nation by CIA chief Pompeo for leaking 1000's of classified CIA documents informing terrorists on the tactics used to catch them. Assange who has been hole'd up in the Ecuador embassy for the last 4 years for what he did to G.W. Bush. Basically putting a target on every American soldier's back.
Why is Julian Assange still inside the embassy of Ecuador?
Analyst says WikiLeaks dump 'devastating' for CIA - CNNPolitics.com
CIA director Mike Pompeo says WikiLeaks is a hostile intelligence service.

And this is the crap you're accustomed to listening to on FOX News. The praising of a well known intelligence enemy that frequently works with Russia. (Wikileaks--Julian Assange)



And we already know who loves Wikileaks (Julian Assange)


Trump Mentioned WikiLeaks 164 Times In Final Month - Political Wire

The credibility of FOX News has been reduced to that of a Tabloid Magazine.

 

[JQPublic1]

If Russia helped Trump win the election, please explain what they're getting for their help.

Hillary Clinton took a bribe from the Russians and they gained a huge pile of uranium.

Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

Wouldn't the Russians have preferred Hillary, since they already had a great working relationship?

You guys work so hard on ignorance. There must must a reason for it. Because it feeds your delusions?

The Uranium deal goes through the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. Not the State Department. Try to figure out why. Hint: Uranium - Nuclear? Is that clue enough?

What is the source for
RW DISINFORMATION?
Fox Noise of course

 

[JQPublic1]

There are myriad ways all 17 agencies could have been involved. Whether by direct involvement or by some other validation iit is possible for all 17 agencies to concur. What makes you so sure that didn't happen?

It was originally British intelligence (a member of the 5 eyes--countries that share intelligence with us)--that notified the CIA about all this contact between Trump associates and Russia.

Britain's Government Communications Headquarters became aware of suspicious "interactions" between associates of Donald Trump and suspected or known Russian operatives in late 2015. The European agencies "were saying: 'There are contacts going on between people close to Mr. Trump and people we believe are Russian intelligence agents. You should be wary of this.' The message was: 'Watch out. There's something not right here.'" The Guardian reported on Thursday.

'There's something not right here': British spies warned the US about 'extensive' contact between Trump team and Russia

Then the CIA warned the FBI

The CIA alerted the FBI to a troubling pattern of contacts between Russian officials and associates of the Trump campaign last year, former agency director John Brennan testified on Tuesday, shedding new light on the origin of a criminal probe that now reaches into the White House.

CIA director alerted FBI to pattern of contacts between Russian officials and Trump campaign associates

It blew up when Trump surrogates met the Russian ambassador at the RNC convention in July and actually sat down with him to write foreign policy--(on an election they were even close to winning.)

Gordon had advocated for language in the GOP platform that the Ukrainians not be armed in their battle against pro-Russian separatists, an effort was ultimately successful. But Gordon says he was simply advocating what Trump himself had expressed -- that he did not wish to see major war break out over the situation in Ukraine.

More Trump advisers disclose meeting with Russia's ambassador - CNNPolitics.com

This is also when James Comey testified that the Russian investigation started.
Comey says FBI began investigation into Russia meddling in July

Just last week, Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manafort, was forced to register as a Foreign agent by the DOJ--receiving 17 million dollars from Russia for work he did for them in the 2012-2014 era--regarding the Ukraine--Russia-- in relation to policy of the United States.
Paul Manafort retroactively registers with Justice Dept. as foreign agent

Go back to page 2 post # 19 and you'll learn a lot more.

The following excerpt from post #19 was the only relevance I saw there pertaining to U.S. Intelligence involvement in the Trump/associates Russian scandal.
Frankly, that blurb is ambiguous at best. The word "source" is made plural to indicate multiple agencies warned Israeli Intelligence of apparent skulduggery but stops short of enumeration or identification of those agencies.

t appears that U.S. Intelligence sources warned Israeli Intelligence to not give sensitive information to Trump, out of concern that he was compromised by the Russians.
The source of the intel Trump shared with Russia reportedly was warned months ago not to give it to him
US spies 'warned Israel not to share intelligence with Trump'

That excerpt from post #19 is better supported by this:

Quietly oh so quietly the New York Times issued a mega correction to the claim that all 17 agencies agreed it was the Russians.

You know the one. The one all the freaking liberal left wing whackos have been quoting all these months.



Correction: June 29, 2017
A White House Memo article on Monday about President Trump’s deflections and denials about Russia referred incorrectly to the source of an intelligence assessment that said Russia orchestrated hacking attacks during last year’s presidential election.

The assessment was made by four intelligence agencies — the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency. The assessment was not approved by all 17 organizations in the American intelligence community.

Trump’s Deflections and Denials on Russia Frustrate Even His Allies

Well, I thought that summed it up until I read this:

Clapper was the head of the DNI and said that he represented all the other agencies under him, and all of the heads of those agencies agreed with his assessment.

You should like this link:

James Clapper Corrects Left's Narrative On Russia Election

No, only 4 actively took part in the intelligence gathering process. You have your stuff backwards. He represents 14 total agencies, and he spoke with the leaders of the other agencies and shared the intelligence with them, and they all agreed Russia hacked the election.

All agencies agreed with Clapper's assessment.

After sifting through all of the above, I found myself holding onto my original premise that all 17 agencies had some part in collecting or adding some component to collecting evidence of Russian hacking. That 4 agencies assessed the collected evidence didn't change my mind. Obscure semantics and lexicon obfuscation could work either way here. As an aside, I don't find it unreasonable to think each of the 17 U.S. Intelligence agencies have Russian operatives under some kind of surveillance. I would surmise that those 17 reports are coordinated frequently, probably by the CIA. It sounds good!

James Clapper admitted that he wouldn't have been privy to all of this information--as I agree with you that intelligence was coming in from everywhere (not just the CIA or FBI.) Another thing that is interesting--after Barack Obama watched what James Comey did to Hillary Clinton--would have trusted him to be the source of information or lead on this investigation. I think not. Comey was also and stll is under investigation for his interference into this election.
DOJ to Investigate James Comey and the FBI

Remember it was Obama that ordered this investigation to be done before he left office. And it is stated that he preserved intelligence, meaning he had no intentions of turning it over to James Comey or the Trump administration or anyone with an R behind their name.

In the final hours of Barack Obama's presidency, some White House officials reportedly raced to spread and preserve information about possible communications between associates of then-candidate Donald Trump and Russians. The New York Times, citing former American officials, reported that these officials were concerned that the information they were gaining on the Russian meddling in the election and the possible campaign contact could be compromised with the new administration, and they wanted to set up any future investigation with the information.

Obama administration reportedly raced to preserve intelligence on possible contact between Russians and Trump associates

So this indicates that most of this intelligence is coming in from other places and not just U.S. sources. Clearly Trump and his associates were being closely watched by several foreign intelligence agencies that share information with us.

Haven't you wondered why foreign intelligence agencies were watching Trump and his associates so closely? For one thing, his anti-NATO stance got their attention.But don't think our intelligence agencies didn't notice also.
And when Trump decided to publicly deride U.S. Intelligence he just did not know what he was getting himself into.
I suspect the U.S. Intelligence agencies knew about the Trump/associates connections to Russia before the foreign agencies did. But when it became clearer that Trump would be president, the U.S. agencies shared the data with foreign associate agencies to act as surrogates in disseminating Information that would have been problematic for U.S. intelligence to make public.

Nope British Intelligence picked this up in the later part of 2015--and I don't believe that Trump was trashing NATO during that time period. And if you remember James Comey was real busy looking at 1000's of Hillary Clinton's emails. I really don't think our intelligence got involved until July 2016.

British and other European intelligence agencies intercepted communications between associates of Donald Trump and Russian officials and other Russian individuals during the campaign and passed on those communications to their US counterparts, US congressional and law enforcement and US and European intelligence sources tell CNN. The communications were captured during routine surveillance of Russian officials and other Russians known to western intelligence. British and European intelligence agencies, including GCHQ, the British intelligence agency responsible for communications surveillance, were not proactively targeting members of the Trump team but rather picked up these communications during what's known as "incidental collection," these sources tell CNN The European intelligence agencies detected multiple communications over several months between the Trump associates and Russian individuals -- and passed on that intelligence to the US. The US and Britain are part of the so-called "Five Eyes" agreement (along with Canada, Australia and New Zealand), which calls for open sharing among member nations of a broad range of intelligence. .

British intelligence passed Trump associates' talks with Russian on to US counterparts - CNNPolitics.com

I'm still not completely convinced that our many intelligence agencies would have let that kind of thing get by them.
In my mind I've gone over all the reasons why. The result, logically, is sheer incompetence or, barring that, political strategy as I mentioned before.
Your paradigm suggests the former and essentially validates Trump's public critique of the U.S. Intelligence community. My version represents a spark of hope that we have the smartest people looking out for us in those agencies and that the apparent "oversight"isn't what it seems to be.

 

[Syriusly]

Now Trump is going to claim dumb

He did not have any idea what his top staff was up to. He is the type of manager who likes to be kept in the dark

Was Barry truly clueless about so many of his Cabinet picks being tax cheats in 2008, or did he simply not give a damn and just wanted what he wanted?

Is Trump a mass murderer like you accused Obama of being?

Your quote last year:

He dragged the nation into the middle of a Syrian civil war - on his own - between another dictator and another set of terrorists to ally himself - again- with terrorists...Obama has also been waging his own personal drone war....

The results are in: Add another 116 dead to Obama's body count...all civilians.

Since this is as an UN-sanctioned war, could this make Obama a 'War Criminal'?

In the immortal words of Hillary Clinton, "What difference does it make?!" In the end, Obama's war has killed 116 civilians...

Trump has done all of those things- were you lying about Obama when you posted that?

Or do you just not care when Trump is a 'mass-murderer'?

(this is a classic example of a hyper right wing hypocritical partisan attack)

No Trump isn't...then no Preident has ever had so much innocent blood on his hands while helping so many of this country's enemies achieve so much.

Now Trump is going to claim dumb

He did not have any idea what his top staff was up to. He is the type of manager who likes to be kept in the dark

Was Barry truly clueless about so many of his Cabinet picks being tax cheats in 2008, or did he simply not give a damn and just wanted what he wanted?

Is Trump a mass murderer like you accused Obama of being?

Your quote last year:

He dragged the nation into the middle of a Syrian civil war - on his own - between another dictator and another set of terrorists to ally himself - again- with terrorists...Obama has also been waging his own personal drone war....

The results are in: Add another 116 dead to Obama's body count...all civilians.

Since this is as an UN-sanctioned war, could this make Obama a 'War Criminal'?

In the immortal words of Hillary Clinton, "What difference does it make?!" In the end, Obama's war has killed 116 civilians...

Trump has done all of those things- were you lying about Obama when you posted that?

Or do you just not care when Trump is a 'mass-murderer'?

(this is a classic example of a hyper right wing hypocritical partisan attack)

No, Trump doesn't have as much blood on his hands as Barry.

Then again, no President has ever had as much innocent blood on his hands while helping this nation's enemies achieve so much as Barry.

Approx 150 dead as a result of Barry's gun running to Mexican Drug Cartels...to include 4 Americans.

4 Americans needlessly killed in Benghazi...

7 Americans needlessly killed in Ca

Americans killed in the Boston Marathon Bombing because Barry failed to act to protect citizens from known terrorists...

He killed 1 American citizen abroad, without a trial, killed by his own personal drone assassination program.

Countless killed in Egypt after helping terrorists take over.

Countless killed in Libya when / after he helped Al Qaeda - the terrorists who killed 3,000 Americans on 9/11/01 - take over Libya in his 1st Un-Constitutional War

Countless killed by ISIS in Syria, Iraq, Germany, France, the UK, the US, etc due to Barry financing, supplying, arming, training, defending, and protecting them...

The one I really can't understand, though, is how anyone - ANYONE - could support that treasonous M*ther F*cker when he dragged the US into his own personal, terrorist-supporting, Un-Constitutional, Un-approved war to help AL QAEDA - the MURDERERS of THREE THOUSAND AMERICANS in the worst attack on the US on American soil - take over their own country!

Forget Impeachment - along with the 'honor' of being the 1st Black President, he should have been the 1st President Traitor to end up on the inside of Gitmo staring out from behind bars!

Are you Mike Flynn's son?

You are one friggin' nutjob.,

I'm not the one unable to handle reality, snowflake.

You not only can't handle reality- you try to fabricate your own reality.

Meanwhile- how you liking your mass murdering President now?

Is Trump a mass murderer like you accused Obama of being?

Remember your quote last year:

He dragged the nation into the middle of a Syrian civil war - on his own - between another dictator and another set of terrorists to ally himself - again- with terrorists...Obama has also been waging his own personal drone war....

The results are in: Add another 116 dead to Obama's body count...all civilians.

Since this is as an UN-sanctioned war, could this make Obama a 'War Criminal'?

In the immortal words of Hillary Clinton, "What difference does it make?!" In the end, Obama's war has killed 116 civilians...

Trump has done all of those things- were you lying about Obama when you posted that?

Or do you just not care when Trump is a 'mass-murderer'?

(this is a classic example of a hyper right wing hypocritical partisan attack)

 

[Syriusly]

No evidence of a crime.
No evidence of criminal activity.
No evidence of collusion.

Thats what investigations do- they investigate and look for evidence.

Hopefully the investigation will conclude that there was no collusion.

The question is why don't you want the investigation to go to its conclusion?

 

[Syriusly]

No Hillary Clinton did not lie to the FBI

Hillary gives new meaning to congenital, perennial liar.

Trump lies to the American voters almost every day and in almost every tweet.

Trump gives new meaning to congenital, perennial liar

Trump lies only to the liberals .

Then why does Trump lie to Conservatives all of the time?

Trump lies to the American voters almost every day and in almost every tweet.

Trump gives new meaning to congenital, perennial liar

 

[JQPublic1]

...influenced the election, or that Trump colluded with the Russians in influencing the election.

Why are you asking USMB members to prove something that is part of an ongoing investigation?

So far what we know is that Russia tried to influence the election- and that there is no evidence of collusion.

Hopefully- the investigation will conclude with more answers- including concluding that there was no collusion.

Meanwhile- if you want more information about Russia's attempt to corrupt our election, I refer you to the testimony of the FBI and CIA chiefs.

What proof came out of the testimony?

No one is on this board to babysit you. If you haven't been paying any attention to Senate testimony it's your problem, no one elses.

The CIA,QUOFBI, the Department of Homeland Security along with 14 other intelligence agencies are all in agreement that Russia hacked into the DNC databases. James Comey and others have already testified to that.
Why Experts Think Russia Hacked the DNC Emails

The only one that has continually denied it, (until Senate Intelligence committee members broke down his door, and he had a change of mind) was Trump.

Now if you want to go back to page 2--post # 19 on this thread you'll find Trump's involvement into this now Russian criminal investigation, and he himself is now under criminal investigation for Obstruction of Justice--an impeachable offense. You will find out what we know now.
Wash. Post: Mueller investigating Trump for obstruction - CNNPolitics.com

Keeping in mind that this investigation is ongoing, and since it is now a criminal investigation, and no longer just a congressional probe, as Lindsey Graham explained, there won't be as much public information coming out, as they have all been told to clam up and lawyer up--which is what they've been doing.
http://nypost.com/2017/05/18/lindsey-graham-russia-probe-now-a-criminal-investigation/

Clapper disagrees with you that all 17 agencies agreed.

Not really. Your key link only clouds the issue further.

CLAPPER: Well, we didn’t go through that – that process, this was a special situation because of the time limits and my – what I knew to be to who could really contribute to this and the sensitivity of the situation, we decided it was a constant judgment to restrict it to those three. I’m not aware of anyone who dissented or – or disagreed when it came out.

WTF does he mean he wasn't aware of anyone who dissented or- or disagreed when it (the intell ) came out? Reading with the third eye that garbled response tells me Clapper hasn't a clue about interagency communications.

 

[Syriusly]

Of course it is not illegal for private citizens to meet with Russians

But when the Russians are breaking our laws to help the Trump campaign and top representatives of Trumps campaign are meeting with the Russians while they are leaking information........it is what is known as "suspicious"

Now, if Trump would only explain what they were meeting about....those suspicions would go away

Sessions was not a private citizen when he met with Russians, nor is anyone else with official capacity with the government or a Presidential campaign. Lobbyist are required to register and some are required to register as agents. Flynn failed to register as a foreign agent. That is why he has registered "retroactively". Technically, Flynn has admitted to being a secret foreign agent. Let that sink in when discussing the legality of an American meeting with Russians. Flynn has admitted, by registering retroactively as a foreign agent, that he was a secret foreign agent.

Now Trump is going to claim dumb

He did not have any idea what his top staff was up to. He is the type of manager who likes to be kept in the dark

Was Barry truly clueless about so many of his Cabinet picks being tax cheats in 2008, or did he simply not give a damn and just wanted what he wanted?

Is Trump a mass murderer like you accused Obama of being?

Your quote last year:

He dragged the nation into the middle of a Syrian civil war - on his own - between another dictator and another set of terrorists to ally himself - again- with terrorists...Obama has also been waging his own personal drone war....

The results are in: Add another 116 dead to Obama's body count...all civilians.

Since this is as an UN-sanctioned war, could this make Obama a 'War Criminal'?

In the immortal words of Hillary Clinton, "What difference does it make?!" In the end, Obama's war has killed 116 civilians...

Trump has done all of those things- were you lying about Obama when you posted that?

Or do you just not care when Trump is a 'mass-murderer'?

(this is a classic example of a hyper right wing hypocritical partisan attack)

No Trump isn't...then no Preident has ever had so much innocent blood on his hands while helping so many of this country's enemies achieve so much.

Of course it is not illegal for private citizens to meet with Russians

But when the Russians are breaking our laws to help the Trump campaign and top representatives of Trumps campaign are meeting with the Russians while they are leaking information........it is what is known as "suspicious"

Now, if Trump would only explain what they were meeting about....those suspicions would go away

Sessions was not a private citizen when he met with Russians, nor is anyone else with official capacity with the government or a Presidential campaign. Lobbyist are required to register and some are required to register as agents. Flynn failed to register as a foreign agent. That is why he has registered "retroactively". Technically, Flynn has admitted to being a secret foreign agent. Let that sink in when discussing the legality of an American meeting with Russians. Flynn has admitted, by registering retroactively as a foreign agent, that he was a secret foreign agent.

Now Trump is going to claim dumb

He did not have any idea what his top staff was up to. He is the type of manager who likes to be kept in the dark

Was Barry truly clueless about so many of his Cabinet picks being tax cheats in 2008, or did he simply not give a damn and just wanted what he wanted?

Is Trump a mass murderer like you accused Obama of being?

Your quote last year:

He dragged the nation into the middle of a Syrian civil war - on his own - between another dictator and another set of terrorists to ally himself - again- with terrorists...Obama has also been waging his own personal drone war....

The results are in: Add another 116 dead to Obama's body count...all civilians.

Since this is as an UN-sanctioned war, could this make Obama a 'War Criminal'?

In the immortal words of Hillary Clinton, "What difference does it make?!" In the end, Obama's war has killed 116 civilians...

Trump has done all of those things- were you lying about Obama when you posted that?

Or do you just not care when Trump is a 'mass-murderer'?

(this is a classic example of a hyper right wing hypocritical partisan attack)

No, Trump doesn't have as much blood on his hands as Barry.

Then again, no President has ever had as much innocent blood on his hands while helping this nation's enemies achieve so much as Barry.

Lets review again:

• Last year you accused Barack Obama of being a mass murderer because of civilian deaths due to drone strikes by our military against terrorists in Syria
• You accused Barack Obama of intervening in Syria without authorization- which of course is exactly what Trump has done.
• You accused Obama of 'dragging the nation into Syria's civil war'- which of course Trump continues to do.
  
• You called Obama a 'mass murderer' for the resulting civilian deaths- and of course there continues to be civilian deaths due to American action in Syria under the orders of President Trump.

Trump has done all of those things- were you lying about Obama when you posted that?

Or do you just not care when Trump is a 'mass-murderer'?

(this is a classic example of a hyper right wing hypocritical partisan attack)

 

[toobfreak]

No Hillary Clinton did not lie to the FBI

Hillary gives new meaning to congenital, perennial liar.

Trump lies to the American voters almost every day and in almost every tweet.

Trump gives new meaning to congenital, perennial liar

Trump lies only to the liberals .

Then why does Trump lie to Conservatives all of the time?

Trump lies to the American voters almost every day and in almost every tweet.

Trump gives new meaning to congenital, perennial liar

Then maybe he ought to wear a Hillary mask the next time he body slams CNN.

 

[jillian]

There is no proof other than that nonsensical story "17 Intelligence Agencies"......what a crock.

note: Day 1 I asked. $20T debt. Why do we have at least 17 "intelligence agencies". I am always out front. Combine down to TWO. Foreign and Domestic. Done. Cut Cut Cut.

information... get some.....seriously.

 

[miketx]

The problem is that Russia hacking our voting machines, Russia putting out fake news, several people close to Trump have lied about Russian contacts, sevreal people left because of it, several people getting money directly from Russia or Russian stooges, Trump telling Russia to find the emails Hillary deleted and they'll be rewarded, Russia hacking both political parties computers....none of that is proof of anything to you.

Not even 2 of them REGISTERING as Foreign agents isn't even proof of anything fishy at least.

Hell one guy received a friends hip award from Putin himself. BUT even that doesn't mean anything.

So when you say you've asked and never received an answer, the problem is that you don't accept any answer as being proof, circumstancial direct or even eye brow raising.

Still no proof though. Why is that?

 

[jillian]

Sessions was not a private citizen when he met with Russians, nor is anyone else with official capacity with the government or a Presidential campaign. Lobbyist are required to register and some are required to register as agents. Flynn failed to register as a foreign agent. That is why he has registered "retroactively". Technically, Flynn has admitted to being a secret foreign agent. Let that sink in when discussing the legality of an American meeting with Russians. Flynn has admitted, by registering retroactively as a foreign agent, that he was a secret foreign agent.

Now Trump is going to claim dumb

He did not have any idea what his top staff was up to. He is the type of manager who likes to be kept in the dark

Was Barry truly clueless about so many of his Cabinet picks being tax cheats in 2008, or did he simply not give a damn and just wanted what he wanted?

Is Trump a mass murderer like you accused Obama of being?

Your quote last year:

He dragged the nation into the middle of a Syrian civil war - on his own - between another dictator and another set of terrorists to ally himself - again- with terrorists...Obama has also been waging his own personal drone war....

The results are in: Add another 116 dead to Obama's body count...all civilians.

Since this is as an UN-sanctioned war, could this make Obama a 'War Criminal'?

In the immortal words of Hillary Clinton, "What difference does it make?!" In the end, Obama's war has killed 116 civilians...

Trump has done all of those things- were you lying about Obama when you posted that?

Or do you just not care when Trump is a 'mass-murderer'?

(this is a classic example of a hyper right wing hypocritical partisan attack)

No Trump isn't...then no Preident has ever had so much innocent blood on his hands while helping so many of this country's enemies achieve so much.

Sessions was not a private citizen when he met with Russians, nor is anyone else with official capacity with the government or a Presidential campaign. Lobbyist are required to register and some are required to register as agents. Flynn failed to register as a foreign agent. That is why he has registered "retroactively". Technically, Flynn has admitted to being a secret foreign agent. Let that sink in when discussing the legality of an American meeting with Russians. Flynn has admitted, by registering retroactively as a foreign agent, that he was a secret foreign agent.

Now Trump is going to claim dumb

He did not have any idea what his top staff was up to. He is the type of manager who likes to be kept in the dark

Was Barry truly clueless about so many of his Cabinet picks being tax cheats in 2008, or did he simply not give a damn and just wanted what he wanted?

Is Trump a mass murderer like you accused Obama of being?

Your quote last year:

He dragged the nation into the middle of a Syrian civil war - on his own - between another dictator and another set of terrorists to ally himself - again- with terrorists...Obama has also been waging his own personal drone war....

The results are in: Add another 116 dead to Obama's body count...all civilians.

Since this is as an UN-sanctioned war, could this make Obama a 'War Criminal'?

In the immortal words of Hillary Clinton, "What difference does it make?!" In the end, Obama's war has killed 116 civilians...

Trump has done all of those things- were you lying about Obama when you posted that?

Or do you just not care when Trump is a 'mass-murderer'?

(this is a classic example of a hyper right wing hypocritical partisan attack)

No, Trump doesn't have as much blood on his hands as Barry.

Then again, no President has ever had as much innocent blood on his hands while helping this nation's enemies achieve so much as Barry.

Lets review again:

• Last year you accused Barack Obama of being a mass murderer because of civilian deaths due to drone strikes by our military against terrorists in Syria
• You accused Barack Obama of intervening in Syria without authorization- which of course is exactly what Trump has done.
• You accused Obama of 'dragging the nation into Syria's civil war'- which of course Trump continues to do.
  
• You called Obama a 'mass murderer' for the resulting civilian deaths- and of course there continues to be civilian deaths due to American action in Syria under the orders of President Trump.

Trump has done all of those things- were you lying about Obama when you posted that?

Or do you just not care when Trump is a 'mass-murderer'?

(this is a classic example of a hyper right wing hypocritical partisan attack)

they care about nothing the orange sociopath has done or is doing....

and it's so cute that their GOP congressmen slow walk the investigation and the loons whine that there's no "proof" of collusion.

funny how low their bar for "proof" was when it was Hillary.

pondscum rightwingnut losers.

 

[jillian]

The problem is that Russia hacking our voting machines, Russia putting out fake news, several people close to Trump have lied about Russian contacts, sevreal people left because of it, several people getting money directly from Russia or Russian stooges, Trump telling Russia to find the emails Hillary deleted and they'll be rewarded, Russia hacking both political parties computers....none of that is proof of anything to you.

Not even 2 of them REGISTERING as Foreign agents isn't even proof of anything fishy at least.

Hell one guy received a friends hip award from Putin himself. BUT even that doesn't mean anything.

So when you say you've asked and never received an answer, the problem is that you don't accept any answer as being proof, circumstancial direct or even eye brow raising.

Still no proof though. Why is that?

so much rightwingnut loony, so little time.