In normal world, this is known as "fraud".

[my2¢]

He overvalued his properties to get more favorable loan and insurance terms

Wouldn't that increase the cost of insurance year-after-year? Premiums would be higher on a 30,000 square foot property opposed to 10,000 sq ft.

 

[Oldestyle]

No one. Lying on financial documents is just fine. Trump is honest. You win.

It's a civil suit, Mac. So who is the injured party?

 

[Arlette]

Only if you assume the lender will take your word for it.

It's a pretty easy thing to do to appraise a property or a business and if a lender doesn't do that it's his own fault.

Now I haven't heard if Trump actually got loans based on his inflated estimations. Did he? And if he did did he default?

If the answer to either one of those is no then there was no fraud or if there was there was no victim. If there is no victim is there a crime at all?

The real world is that court room in NY and that judge sitting in it. There is no point in trying to relitigate Trump's case. He was found guilty. That's real.

 

[Lastamender]

The real world is that court room in NY and that judge sitting in it. There is no point in trying to relitigate Trump's case. He was found guilty. That's real.

Well, the system allows appeals even for Trump. You learn something every day.

 

[Blues Man]

The real world is that court room in NY and that judge sitting in it. There is no point in trying to relitigate Trump's case. He was found guilty. That's real.

Really? There is no guilty verdict in a civil court because a civil court does not try crimes.

 

[Blues Man]

Well, the system allows appeals even for Trump. You learn something every day.

There is no guilty verdict in a civil court. It's all about damages and being liable for damages.

There are no crimes being tried here if there were the trial would be in criminal court where the burden of proof is much higher and the standards of evidence much stricter.

 

[Oldestyle]

The real world is that court room in NY and that judge sitting in it. There is no point in trying to relitigate Trump's case. He was found guilty. That's real.

The real world will also include appeals to that decision, Arlette. Someone will have to explain how you can have a civil suit with no injured party. A question that judge should have asked on day one of the trial. He didn't however because he's as biased against Trump as the DA is.

 

[Oldestyle]

There is no guilty verdict in a civil court. It's all about damages and being liable for damages.

There are no crimes being tried here if there were the trial would be in criminal court where the burden of proof is much higher and the standards of evidence much stricter.

Damages to whom, Blues? Who is the damaged party in this case?

 

[Blues Man]

Damages to whom, Blues? Who is the damaged party in this case?

Good question and I have been asking that all along.

The State of NY is the plaintiff in the case so obviously they must be the injured party but I don't know how they were injured to the tune of 250 million in damages.

 

[jbrownson0831]

in the normal world, a slick fraudulent operator "takes in" an underpaid and financially challenged loan officer for a cut and then stiffs the bank . why do so many of trump's bankers jump off of rooftops?

Awww rumpart admiring on his Trumpy again.
Why don't you talk about the real criminal working scams and taking kickbacks?

 

[Arlette]

The real world will also include appeals to that decision, Arlette. Someone will have to explain how you can have a civil suit with no injured party. A question that judge should have asked on day one of the trial. He didn't however because he's as biased against Trump as the DA is.

It goes without saying that Trump will appeal. However, James brought her suit under the Martin Act and I don't see where the wiggle room is. Maybe you can point it out to me.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Good question and I have been asking that all along.

The State of NY is the plaintiff in the case so obviously they must be the injured party but I don't know how they were injured to the tune of 250 million in damages.

you could read the court files. like the decision from last week, moron.

 

[Mac1958]

TDS

Yes. Get help.

Here. You're welcome.

 

[jbrownson0831]

in "normal world" ALL would be prosecuted; here on earth we do not have sich resources so we must make examples to deter others. trump happens to have volunteered to be such an example. *though i seriously doubt that any actual punishment will come his way.)

He has done nothing wrong that's why rumpart.

 

[Mac1958]

Wouldn't that increase the cost of insurance year-after-year? Premiums would be higher on a 30,000 square foot property opposed to 10,000 sq ft.

Not that kind of insurance. He inflated values to get better prices on surety bonds issued by Zurich. An insurance company.

 

[Mac1958]

It's a civil suit, Mac. So who is the injured party?

No one. Fake news. He's innocent.

 

[theHawk]

Trump bought a property for 2.5 million claimed it was worth 100 million, donated it to the State and took a 100 million dollar tax break.

In other words the state agreed it was worth that much.

 

[theHawk]

fuck off, loser.

this has been discussed and judged by people who know what's going on.

usmb scumbag wanna be lawyer's input is not needed.

Of course, “fuck off” with the facts.

 

[Lord Long Rod]

OP would not know what fraud is even if it bit his ass.

 

[Lord Long Rod]

No one. Fake news. He's innocent.

He is certainly not "guilty".