Peaceful protests are one thing. The violence and riots eminating from the far left is another matter entirely.
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Internet and the Rise of Incivility and Hate Crimes
- Thread starter Coyote
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Peaceful protests are one thing. The violence and riots eminating from the far left is another matter entirely.
I totally agree that social media now plays a big part in it.
Yes, the far left Progressives including Black Lives Matter use the social media to plan their violence and recruit agitators.
Eloy
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I have noticed in the past that American newspapers and TV can be, and often are, slow on the pick-up of a story but once they get scent of something big, they can go to town.Indeed but the coarseness of hate radio has now reached the White House and its poison contaminates political discussion like never before in living memory.Without question the election of Donald Trump has brought a coarseness to American life.I think it is people as a whole. I don't think it is left or right, but the person. One chooses to hate, or not to hate. No political ideology forces anyone one way or another.
This is all where personal responsibility comes into play.
It was there long before Trump....
Agreed. But it started, and was bad during Obama. Can't tell what is what now. Nothing but a bunch of squabbling, and we don't even know what is or isn't true.
Perhaps Donald Trump's biggest mistake was his assault on the media (except FOX) and I could see that the reporters were taking it and liking it. But eventually the penny dropped and they could see that a small-brained bully had taken-up residence in the White House and now they will be like a dog with a bone. They now know that the fault of a dysfunctional Executive lies with Donald Trump whose vulgar, polarizing and divisive manner is doomed to fail.
Do you not read? I've clearly said it comes from both sides. The majority of this hatred comes from the left? That's your opinion.
Cute try but the riots, beatings, and assaults have come from the far left, Progressives, Black Lives Matter and before that, Occupy Wall Street.
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I have noticed in the past that American newspapers and TV can be, and often are, slow on the pick-up of a story but once they get scent of something big, they can go to town.Indeed but the coarseness of hate radio has now reached the White House and its poison contaminates political discussion like never before in living memory.Without question the election of Donald Trump has brought a coarseness to American life.I think it is people as a whole. I don't think it is left or right, but the person. One chooses to hate, or not to hate. No political ideology forces anyone one way or another.
This is all where personal responsibility comes into play.
It was there long before Trump....
Agreed. But it started, and was bad during Obama. Can't tell what is what now. Nothing but a bunch of squabbling, and we don't even know what is or isn't true.
Perhaps Donald Trump's biggest mistake was his assault on the media (except FOX) and I could see that the reporters were taking it and liking it. But eventually the penny dropped and they could see that a small-brained bully had taken-up residence in the White House and now they will be like a dog with a bone. They now know that the fault of a dysfunctional Executive lies with Donald Trump whose vulgar, polarizing and divisive manner is doomed to fail.
I doubt Trump is too worried about the stinking media.
Don't forget Bernie's Bolsheviks.Do you not read? I've clearly said it comes from both sides. The majority of this hatred comes from the left? That's your opinion.
Cute try but the riots, beatings, and assaults have come from the far left, Progressives, Black Lives Matter and before that, Occupy Wall Street.
There were a lot of riots and protests surrounding desegregation.
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Eloy
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Donald Trump certainly talks and tweets a lot about the media for someone who does not give a care about reporters.I have noticed in the past that American newspapers and TV can be, and often are, slow on the pick-up of a story but once they get scent of something big, they can go to town.Indeed but the coarseness of hate radio has now reached the White House and its poison contaminates political discussion like never before in living memory.Without question the election of Donald Trump has brought a coarseness to American life.
It was there long before Trump....
Agreed. But it started, and was bad during Obama. Can't tell what is what now. Nothing but a bunch of squabbling, and we don't even know what is or isn't true.
Perhaps Donald Trump's biggest mistake was his assault on the media (except FOX) and I could see that the reporters were taking it and liking it. But eventually the penny dropped and they could see that a small-brained bully had taken-up residence in the White House and now they will be like a dog with a bone. They now know that the fault of a dysfunctional Executive lies with Donald Trump whose vulgar, polarizing and divisive manner is doomed to fail.
I doubt Trump is too worried about the stinking media.
I hate W and Cheney for their yellowcake lies.
You do yourself justice by boasting of your ignorance. Your desperation is duly noted!
updated 6:10 p.m. EDT, Mon July 7, 2008
500 tons of uranium shipped from Iraq, Pentagon says
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The United States secretly shipped out of Iraq more than 500 tons of low-grade uranium dating back to the Saddam Hussein era, the Pentagon said Monday.
In this 2003 photo, UN inspectors work at the nuclear facility in Iraq.
The U.S. military spent $70 million ensuring the safe transportation of 550 metric tons of the uranium from Iraq to Canada, said Pentagon spokesman Brian Whitman.
The shipment, which until recently was kept secret, involved a U.S. truck convoy, 37 cargo flights out of Baghdad to a transitional location, and then a transoceanic voyage on board a U.S.-government-owned ship designed to carry troops to a war zone, he said.
The "yellowcake" uranium transfer was requested by the Iraqi government at the encouragement of the U.S. government, Whitman said.
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Vandalshandle
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Trump says that you can't believe the media, because it is all fake news. He must be correct, since the media told us that Trump was going to repeal ACA on the first day of his presidency, and it hasn't happened. Then again, the media told us that Trump says that he has not been in bed with Putin. Based on the fact that the media lies, I am convinced that Trump is guilty as hell.
Here we go again, in Professor Peabody's Way back machine, revisiting the history of the democratic party before 96% of present day Americans were born...specifically before the Dixiecrats left the Democratic Party in 1948.
I hear that each and every time the fact of the Democrats being the ones promoting racism and blocking integration. Progressives whine that the horrid Dixiecrats left the Democrat Party and switched to Republicans. But strangely, no one has been able to provide the list of all those who switched parties. Al Gore's father filibustered against the passage of the Civil Rights act so it couldn't have been him.
Then we have....
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Donald Trump certainly talks and tweets a lot about the media for someone who does not give a care about reporters.I have noticed in the past that American newspapers and TV can be, and often are, slow on the pick-up of a story but once they get scent of something big, they can go to town.Indeed but the coarseness of hate radio has now reached the White House and its poison contaminates political discussion like never before in living memory.It was there long before Trump....
Agreed. But it started, and was bad during Obama. Can't tell what is what now. Nothing but a bunch of squabbling, and we don't even know what is or isn't true.
Perhaps Donald Trump's biggest mistake was his assault on the media (except FOX) and I could see that the reporters were taking it and liking it. But eventually the penny dropped and they could see that a small-brained bully had taken-up residence in the White House and now they will be like a dog with a bone. They now know that the fault of a dysfunctional Executive lies with Donald Trump whose vulgar, polarizing and divisive manner is doomed to fail.
I doubt Trump is too worried about the stinking media.
He may be tweeting for the people. Would suit me fine if he didn't.
The media is just that. A bunch of reporters, supposedly reporting the news. Yet now days that is not what they want to do. They want to MAKE the news. And that they are. And they were doing it before Trump came along. Just seems to be getting worse.
They do not run this country. They should report news. And that should be it.
My far left Progressive friends are now so desperate to deny their responsibility for all the riots, beatings and damage that now they trying to "SHARE" responsibility. Malarkey.
They also are desperate to distract from the FACT that petulant former President Barack Hussein Obama is the most divisive president in modern history.
They also are desperate to distract from the FACT that petulant former President Barack Hussein Obama is the most divisive president in modern history.
Vandalshandle
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Here we go again, in Professor Peabody's Way back machine, revisiting the history of the democratic party before 96% of present day Americans were born...specifically before the Dixiecrats left the Democratic Party in 1948.
I hear that each and every time the fact of the Democrats being the ones promoting racism and blocking integration. Progressives whine that the horrid Dixiecrats left the Democrat Party and switched to Republicans. But strangely, no one has been able to provide the list of all those who switched parties. Al Gore's father filibustered against the passage of the Civil Rights act so it couldn't have been him.
Then we have....
You have me cold! All history, which is on the internet, is fake news, including Strom Thurmond, and his fellow assholes, walking out of the democratic convention of 1948, as a direct result of Truman desegregating the army. Damned you are clever to discover this dastardly plot!!
Actions and acts speak louder than words just as there is a big difference between requesting change and demanding change.
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Political correctness was the pendulum of culture swinging to far to the left. But now, we're seeing the opposite. The anti-political correctness crowd, culminating in Trump's electoral victory is encouraging a far more open and socially accepted form of hate. Where it used to be socially condemned, it's now applauded, as free speech and part of the mainstream, set against the backdrop of rabid anti-immigrant and anti-other fears.
How The Internet Fueled The Rise In Hate Crimes In California | Fast Company | The Future Of Business
Messages about the “otherness” of immigrants have gained an expansive audience. “Bigots have become especially nuanced and skillful at hanging onto the coattails of important public policy debates that are going on in the mainstream,” Levin says. “There’s an online cottage industry that attaches bigotry to real policy issues from national security to free speech on campus to the economy.”
“Some groups continue to promote overt racism and bigotry,” Levin continues, “but some are changing their branding, or toning down the swastikas. And their arguments are no longer that Latinos and immigrants are genetically inferior. It’s that they’re culturally or religiously inapposite to American ideals. Or sometimes the message is shrouded in the idea that we’re under attack from terrorists.”
Scrubbed of the eugenics ideology or race war rhetoric that may have helped spawn them, and freed from the stigma that comes from being the clear intellectual property of Nazi skinheads or the Ku Klux Klan, many of these messages about the otherness of immigrants have gained an expansive audience among Americans who might not embrace them in their raw form. While these views haven’t been given much credence on NBC’s Meet the Press or in the op-ed pages of the Washington Post, they’re regularly part of the conversation on Fox News, and they constitute the bread and butter of breitbart.com—which now enjoys a monthly readership greater than the entire populations of Great Britain, Germany, or France.
You're just upset because the right is starting to use the same tactics of the left.
The left uses "racial fear" to whip up their base. Get the blacks to riot over lies about white cops executing them for example.
So the "white nationalists" are doing some of the same. They're whipping up anger about blacks and Latinos victimizing them. The difference is the facts on their side.
Anger about an injustice is quite normal and there is nothing wrong with it. People should be outraged by injustice. Most Americans are tired of Mexicans and others disrespecting our laws by invading our country. They're also just as upset about a government that has done nothing about it for decades, and in effect encouraging it.
If you want the anger to go away, you have to fix the injustice that is happening. That's what Trump is trying to do. But the left isn't willing to, they want the injustice to happen, they want the social discord.
OldLady
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Never scared to agree with you.Being a leftie, I need to inform you that the folks on the right are doing the same. If you take away the anarchists and the supremacists/nationalists, which is as it should be, there is no more hate and violence on the left than on the right. Lots of silliness, still, but I think it's really about equal.It is no more correct to blame the left for anarchists among the crowd, than to blame conservatives for white supremacists. What the left seems to be doing is calling others haters, clearly attacking others with hate and violence.
Then the left's violence is being reported more. In general you are saying what I said earlier, so we more or less agree. You may now be very scared.
Iceweasel
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You're a liberal so you are not looking at it objectively. One ideology is about change, making "progress" reshaping society to their liking. The other side wants to mind their own business, work, raise families and have as little government involvement as possible.Being a leftie, I need to inform you that the folks on the right are doing the same. If you take away the anarchists and the supremacists/nationalists, which is as it should be, there is no more hate and violence on the left than on the right. Lots of silliness, still, but I think it's really about equal.It is no more correct to blame the left for anarchists among the crowd, than to blame conservatives for white supremacists. What the left seems to be doing is calling others haters, clearly attacking others with hate and violence.
The targets are different, but the sentiments are the same. In the meantime each side will now take to the streets in order to "prove" the other is worse.
IMO - the problem isn't the rhetoric, it's been with us for ages - it's the normalizing of it in society. Legitimizing it, justifying it, excusing it. I don't agree with laws against it - it needs to be in the open in order to be confronted, but these people are feeling emboldened by the lack of condemnation around them and in some cases, silence or tacit approval by polticial figures rather than marginalizing.
When the right loses we are unhappy but we don't take to the streets and show our asses. We don't pretend we have the right to have everything our way and if it isn't it's some kind of theft. Lefties these days are off the charts arrogant. They are power mad and beyond reason.
The fact that a few nutbags on the right are holed up in bunkers doesn't make the millions of leftists throwing temper tantrums somehow look better. It's going to get worse, not better. Europe has been where we are headed, our riots pale in comparison. I fully expect this is the year that water canons will be used in force. And of course it will be Trump's fault.
Mac1958
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As virulently anti-PC as I am, I agree. Our culture just loves to completely knee-jerk at every possible opportunity, and this is no exception. The pent-up frustration felt by many people over the destructive nature of PC and Identity Politics has resulted in many going too far in the opposite direction.Political correctness was the pendulum of culture swinging to far to the left. But now, we're seeing the opposite. The anti-political correctness crowd, culminating in Trump's electoral victory is encouraging a far more open and socially accepted form of hate. Where it used to be socially condemned, it's now applauded, as free speech and part of the mainstream, set against the backdrop of rabid anti-immigrant and anti-other fears.
How The Internet Fueled The Rise In Hate Crimes In California | Fast Company | The Future Of Business
Messages about the “otherness” of immigrants have gained an expansive audience. “Bigots have become especially nuanced and skillful at hanging onto the coattails of important public policy debates that are going on in the mainstream,” Levin says. “There’s an online cottage industry that attaches bigotry to real policy issues from national security to free speech on campus to the economy.”
“Some groups continue to promote overt racism and bigotry,” Levin continues, “but some are changing their branding, or toning down the swastikas. And their arguments are no longer that Latinos and immigrants are genetically inferior. It’s that they’re culturally or religiously inapposite to American ideals. Or sometimes the message is shrouded in the idea that we’re under attack from terrorists.”
Scrubbed of the eugenics ideology or race war rhetoric that may have helped spawn them, and freed from the stigma that comes from being the clear intellectual property of Nazi skinheads or the Ku Klux Klan, many of these messages about the otherness of immigrants have gained an expansive audience among Americans who might not embrace them in their raw form. While these views haven’t been given much credence on NBC’s Meet the Press or in the op-ed pages of the Washington Post, they’re regularly part of the conversation on Fox News, and they constitute the bread and butter of breitbart.com—which now enjoys a monthly readership greater than the entire populations of Great Britain, Germany, or France.
Add to that the anonymity afforded by the internet and the echo chamber effect, and you have a recipe for disaster.
As long as the crazies on the ends of the spectrum are in control, this is going to continue in both directions.
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Coyote , I heard at our monthly Masonic meeting tonight that the grand lodges of Freemasons in the USA have launched a program to attempt to restore civility across the USA.Political correctness was the pendulum of culture swinging to far to the left. But now, we're seeing the opposite. The anti-political correctness crowd, culminating in Trump's electoral victory is encouraging a far more open and socially accepted form of hate. Where it used to be socially condemned, it's now applauded, as free speech and part of the mainstream, set against the backdrop of rabid anti-immigrant and anti-other fears.
How The Internet Fueled The Rise In Hate Crimes In California | Fast Company | The Future Of Business
Messages about the “otherness” of immigrants have gained an expansive audience. “Bigots have become especially nuanced and skillful at hanging onto the coattails of important public policy debates that are going on in the mainstream,” Levin says. “There’s an online cottage industry that attaches bigotry to real policy issues from national security to free speech on campus to the economy.”
“Some groups continue to promote overt racism and bigotry,” Levin continues, “but some are changing their branding, or toning down the swastikas. And their arguments are no longer that Latinos and immigrants are genetically inferior. It’s that they’re culturally or religiously inapposite to American ideals. Or sometimes the message is shrouded in the idea that we’re under attack from terrorists.”
Scrubbed of the eugenics ideology or race war rhetoric that may have helped spawn them, and freed from the stigma that comes from being the clear intellectual property of Nazi skinheads or the Ku Klux Klan, many of these messages about the otherness of immigrants have gained an expansive audience among Americans who might not embrace them in their raw form. While these views haven’t been given much credence on NBC’s Meet the Press or in the op-ed pages of the Washington Post, they’re regularly part of the conversation on Fox News, and they constitute the bread and butter of breitbart.com—which now enjoys a monthly readership greater than the entire populations of Great Britain, Germany, or France.
I don't know if your father or brothers or hubby is an F&AM but I thought with your keen observance of the current trend towards incivility that maybe you/they are affiliated.
The Freemasons (under Patrick Henry, Benjamin Franklin, and George Washington) are you may recall the people who created the USA in the first place.
Anyway just wanted to mention it. I thought of you Coyote tonight when it came up in our meeting.
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