Is Home-Schooling a Fundamental Right?

[PoliticalChic]

public education is not indoctrination you insane right wing nutter

Of course it can be, TM. Look at the USSR, Nazi Germany, and today's Alabama.

Interesting that you bring in the USSR...a perfect example of indoctrination in our schools:

1. The federally funded “National History Standards” for elementary schools were released in 1994, cemented a revisionist view of American Communism for schoolteachers, as the guide mentions McCarthy over twenty times, while Edison and the Wright Brothers got no mention. “It …repeatedly condemns McCarthyism as an unmitigated evil…[but] the Hiss-Chambers and Rosenberg cases, the two dominant controversies of the anticommunist era, are described with bland, neutral language crafted to keep from implying guilt while not being quite so foolhardy as to actually assert innocence..’National Standards’…implies that the cases are part and parcel of the McCartyite horror.”
From “In Denial,” by Haynes and Klehr, pg. 151


2. Revisionist views are found, for example, in the work of Ellen Wolf Schrecker, Ph.D., a professor of American history at Yeshiva University, who states “ whatever threat to the United States such espionage [by US citizens working for Soviet intelligence] may have posed, it was gone by the time the main justification for the McCarthy-era purges.” The revisionists claim that the greater sin was not the betrayal of the country by American Communists, but anticommunists using that betrayal as “a rationalization for the most widespread and the longest-lasting episode of political repression in our nation’s history.”


3. The Professor’s view is based on the relatively small number of prosecutions and convictions, but this overlooks the objectives of the FBI, which weighed exposing sources vs. prosecutions. The aim in counterespionage is always to disrupt the cells and prosecutions are secondary. The ongoing decryption of the Venona cables severely damaged and disruptions of Soviet espionage rings (over 300 Soviet agents active in the US Government during WWII and thereafter) in the last half of the ‘40’s and ‘50’s, and, while only a few spies were prosecuted, scores of others were identified, removed from their government posts and neutralized.

Others who functioned as support personnel for Soviet espionage networks (couriers, recruiters, hosts of safe houses, and providers of false identities and sham jobs) were identified, questioned and frightened into inactivity. The Cold War and Korea reduced government and public toleration for Communists and Communist sympathizers. Truman’s legal assault on communism, including the Smith Act, prosecuted leaders and included removing security risks from government. (see “In Denial,” Haynes and Klehr)


This is the nature and method of 'public school' indoctrination.

 

[Crackerjaxon]

public education is not indoctrination you insane right wing nutter

Do you have any facts to back that statement up?

Or is it merely your uninformed opinion?

 

[Erand7899]

does austerity help restart a failing economy?


No it doesnt and all the facts and history of man shows that (facts).

why does the right persist in ignoring those facts?

Simply because they are not facts. They are nothing more than the dogma that you have accepted as facts. A fact is something that is obvious by examination, or something that can be logically deduced from a series of those basic axioms. Pretty much everything beyond that is theory. Theory can be held to be true, even though it is not provable, if it explains all known phenomena associated with that theory.

Austerity has done wonders for my economy. It got me out of debt, and allows me to lead a very comfortable life. In response to your ignorant statement, austerity in government can take many forms. It can refer to reduced government expenditures, or it can refer to increased government taxation. Both take money out of the economy. Since your messiah is wanting to raise taxes, I would bet that you are referring to reduced spending.

Reduced spending is not intended to jump start an economy. It is intended to bring fiscal sanity back to government before we reach a real fiscal cliff that we cannot bridge or avoid. That would make a recession look like the good ole days.

 

[theHawk]

Wholly crap you're a moron.

That is a fact.

I have a 130 IQ on the only IQ test I ever took.

what is the typical IQ score of a moron?

Yes, I would say that's pretty low.

 

[PoliticalChic]

public education is not indoctrination you insane right wing nutter

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[ScreamingEagle]

when public schools as part of their indoctrination start ARRESTING & HANDCUFFING little elementary schoolchildren it's NO SURPRISE that many parents are deciding to homeschool their kids....



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[BlindBoo]

Ah the international plight of the Home Schoolers. Why apply for politcal assylum? Why not just immigrate here? Personally I have no problem letting these folks in our country unless of course their home schooling include neo-nazi teachings or something like that.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Ah the international plight of the Home Schoolers. Why apply for politcal assylum? Why not just immigrate here? Personally I have no problem letting these folks in our country unless of course their home schooling include neo-nazi teachings or something like that.

yeah.....like jihadism....

it's disgusting how lefties will arrest 10 year olds for playing with a toy gun yet they support madrassas that teach jihadism....

 

[bendog]

hold on a minute. People from a foreign country can come here and argue they need asylum because their own govt (which has probably a superior educ system than our own) says they cannot avoid laws governing how their own citizens are educated. That's it. No torture. No concentration camp. No state imposed athiesm.

We've got roman catholics from Mexico who've worked and paid taxes and raised kids who have gone into the military, AND YOU WANT TO DEPORT THEM.

Crazy right wing moonbats.

 

[JakeStarkey]

public education is not indoctrination you insane right wing nutter

Of course it can be, TM. Look at the USSR, Nazi Germany, and today's Alabama.

Interesting that you bring in the USSR...a perfect example of indoctrination in our schools:

1. The federally funded “National History Standards” for elementary schools were released in 1994, cemented a revisionist view of American Communism for schoolteachers, as the guide mentions McCarthy over twenty times, while Edison and the Wright Brothers got no mention. “It …repeatedly condemns McCarthyism as an unmitigated evil…[but] the Hiss-Chambers and Rosenberg cases, the two dominant controversies of the anticommunist era, are described with bland, neutral language crafted to keep from implying guilt while not being quite so foolhardy as to actually assert innocence..’National Standards’…implies that the cases are part and parcel of the McCartyite horror.”
From “In Denial,” by Haynes and Klehr, pg. 151


2. Revisionist views are found, for example, in the work of Ellen Wolf Schrecker, Ph.D., a professor of American history at Yeshiva University, who states “ whatever threat to the United States such espionage [by US citizens working for Soviet intelligence] may have posed, it was gone by the time the main justification for the McCarthy-era purges.” The revisionists claim that the greater sin was not the betrayal of the country by American Communists, but anticommunists using that betrayal as “a rationalization for the most widespread and the longest-lasting episode of political repression in our nation’s history.”


3. The Professor’s view is based on the relatively small number of prosecutions and convictions, but this overlooks the objectives of the FBI, which weighed exposing sources vs. prosecutions. The aim in counterespionage is always to disrupt the cells and prosecutions are secondary. The ongoing decryption of the Venona cables severely damaged and disruptions of Soviet espionage rings (over 300 Soviet agents active in the US Government during WWII and thereafter) in the last half of the ‘40’s and ‘50’s, and, while only a few spies were prosecuted, scores of others were identified, removed from their government posts and neutralized.

Others who functioned as support personnel for Soviet espionage networks (couriers, recruiters, hosts of safe houses, and providers of false identities and sham jobs) were identified, questioned and frightened into inactivity. The Cold War and Korea reduced government and public toleration for Communists and Communist sympathizers. Truman’s legal assault on communism, including the Smith Act, prosecuted leaders and included removing security risks from government. (see “In Denial,” Haynes and Klehr)


This is the nature and method of 'public school' indoctrination.

Let me point out you are indoctrinating here with a reactionary Mises-like interp.

There is no question that right wing and left wing are battling for the public ed. The Texas school book battle is one of the classic examples.

 

[bendog]

this has nada to do with home schooling. Some American wants to home school their kids, fine.

Some German wants American views of liberty, step to the back of the line. If their skilled workers, maybe they can get in sooner.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

hold on a minute. People from a foreign country can come here and argue they need asylum because their own govt (which has probably a superior educ system than our own) says they cannot avoid laws governing how their own citizens are educated. That's it. No torture. No concentration camp. No state imposed athiesm.

We've got roman catholics from Mexico who've worked and paid taxes and raised kids who have gone into the military, AND YOU WANT TO DEPORT THEM.

Crazy right wing moonbats.

those ADULTS broke U.S. law to begin with.....why don't you arrest & handcuff them.....?

CRAZY LEFT WING MOONBATS think it's OK to arrest & handcuff little children in our public schools for breaking the rules....

 

[JakeStarkey]

Screaming Eagle forgot his meds again. Tell us how all of this is a socialist plot, SE.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Screaming Eagle forgot his meds again. Tell us how all of this is a socialist plot, SE.

aw....still smarting from the slapdown you got the other day.....?

 

[bendog]

hold on a minute. People from a foreign country can come here and argue they need asylum because their own govt (which has probably a superior educ system than our own) says they cannot avoid laws governing how their own citizens are educated. That's it. No torture. No concentration camp. No state imposed athiesm.

We've got roman catholics from Mexico who've worked and paid taxes and raised kids who have gone into the military, AND YOU WANT TO DEPORT THEM.

Crazy right wing moonbats.

those ADULTS broke U.S. law to begin with.....why don't you arrest & handcuff them.....?

CRAZY LEFT WING MOONBATS think it's OK to arrest & handcuff little children in our public schools for breaking the rules....

Exactly. The freakign Germans are here illegally. They overstayed. Same as the latinos. But YOU want to keep them cause of their religion. And there's no difference. Crazy Chirster fundy

 

[ScreamingEagle]

hold on a minute. People from a foreign country can come here and argue they need asylum because their own govt (which has probably a superior educ system than our own) says they cannot avoid laws governing how their own citizens are educated. That's it. No torture. No concentration camp. No state imposed athiesm.

We've got roman catholics from Mexico who've worked and paid taxes and raised kids who have gone into the military, AND YOU WANT TO DEPORT THEM.

Crazy right wing moonbats.

those ADULTS broke U.S. law to begin with.....why don't you arrest & handcuff them.....?

CRAZY LEFT WING MOONBATS think it's OK to arrest & handcuff little children in our public schools for breaking the rules....

Exactly. The freakign Germans are here illegally. They overstayed. Same as the latinos. But YOU want to keep them cause of their religion. And there's no difference. Crazy Chirster fundy

weren't the Germans originally granted asylum......?

2. The Germany family was initially granted asylum, but then the Obama Administration appealed the case to the Board of Immigration Appeals

obviously BO doesn't like smart-thinking Germans......he'd rather have poor socialist-prone mexicans who will vote for him....

 

[JakeStarkey]

Screaming Eagle forgot his meds again. Tell us how all of this is a socialist plot, SE.

aw....still smarting from the slapdown you got the other day.....?

Go ahead and remind us how BHO's socialist minions are taking over the world.

Yeah, I slapped your beak 360 degrees around your pointy head.

 

[Caroljo]

when a parent home schools a child to a pack of lies instead of reality that is child abuse.


some parents care MORE about their own ideas than teaching their child how to think for themselves

My daughter in law is homeschooling her kids...guess what!! She teaches them Reading, writing, arithmetic, English, and whatever else a school will teach! And yes, she teaches her kids right from wrong too.....she doesn't teach them lies.

And thankfully I KNOW she isn't teaching them what YOU would consider right or wrong, because those kids are much smarter than you...

 

[bendog]

I don't think they've been granted asylum. they may have apllied. it's been awhile since I did anything with immigration, but anyone who is here, regardless of whether they came here legally on a temp visa or something or illegally, may make a claim for asylum.

In this case, their only claim is mean old Germany will expose their children to perhaps the finest education in the world, as well as better social welfare than the US, and they can do religion after school. THE HORROR

 

[bendog]

when a parent home schools a child to a pack of lies instead of reality that is child abuse.


some parents care MORE about their own ideas than teaching their child how to think for themselves

My daughter in law is homeschooling her kids...guess what!! She teaches them Reading, writing, arithmetic, English, and whatever else a school will teach! And yes, she teaches her kids right from wrong too.....she doesn't teach them lies.

And thankfully I KNOW she isn't teaching them what YOU would consider right or wrong, because those kids are much smarter than you...

Good for your daughter in law. And she has that right as an American. There's no doubt that home schooling, even when done with a regligious angle, can produce fine citizens.