Is homeschooling a good solution?

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Public schools are a good idea and this is why they should have a national standard.

The government should govern, not operate businesses.

Public schools are not a business and if people would stop treating them as though they were, things would be a lot better.

Schooling should be a service provided by individuals for other individuals. Operating schools, or bakeries, or shoe factories, or farms, or religious education, or pencil manufacturing, or car factories are not, or should not, be the purpose of government. The purpose of government should be to govern.

You provide no reasoning whatsoever, only a declaration. Do you really expect to win anyone over to your point of view that way?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Not the school where I teach.

Then it is a private school.

Public high school in a rural area. Sorry to bust your bubble.

I think you took what I said too literally. Schools across the country are dominated by the left. I've lived in rich, Republican areas and the government schools are still overwhelmingly left. I've also lived in smaller cities in red areas and they are left. I think you hit the key word for the biggest exceptions when you said "rural"

What makes you think they are dominated by the left? That is the general consensus, but outside of news reports from the major liberal cities like NY, LA, Boston, and Chicago, can you honestly say the problem is nationwide.

I already answered that, and to you

It must not have impressed me much.

 

[Searcher44]

Might produce good grades for some but the real world isn't at home with mom.

ANd yet homeschooled kids kick ass in the real world. Like becoming Justices of the Supreme Court.

Sandra Day O'Connor?
She wasn't "home schooled" in any sense that I understand the term. How do you figure?

"Her experiences on the ranch shaped her character and developed her belief in hard work, but her parents also wanted O'Connor to gain an education. Living in such a remote area, the options for going to school were limited, and she had already shown that she was quite bright. By age four, she had learned how to read. Exploring places and schools that would be the best match for O'Connor's abilities, her parents decided to send her to El Paso to live with her grandmother and attend school. In El Paso she attended Radford School for girls and Austin High. She spent her summers at the ranch and the school years with her grandmother. She graduated high school early at the age of sixteen."

"In 1946, after competing against many other people and despite the probability that she might not be accepted because she was a woman, O'Connor was accepted to Stanford University".

http://www.biography.com/people/sandra-day-oconnor-9426834

I wish people wouldn't pull facts out of their ass. No wonder there's so many stupid people around. You get your info from a fucked up game of telephone or something. Were you home-schooled? Fuck.

 

[hadit]

There are some criteria by which a teacher can be evaluated. Clearly, class composition is a factor.

what criteria?

Does the teacher have a lesson plan ready when class starts? Does he/she know the material?
Does the teacher have all class work graded and back to the students on time?
Does the teacher consistently miss class?
Does the teacher have proper answers for questions asked during class?
Does the teacher bring a political agenda into the classroom?

I'm sure you can think of others.

Ultimately, it comes down to this: Do you think teacher compensation should be merit based or not?

Wow! Nobody told me it was amateur hour!

How well are the professionals doing?

Just fine, thank you!

I would disagree, given our students' poor performance internationally.

 

[hadit]

That's a generalization. There are some good public schools.

Actually it's not the schools that are better, it's the parents that are better. In upscale neighborhoods the parents are educated professionals who are motivated for their children to learn. Most of what children learn is taught by their parents. Schools simply put a rubber stamp on it.

I have yet to meet many parents that can handle high school algebra!

In most cases - that's true. But you do realize that a homeschooled student receives materials that shows step-by-step how to teach the assignments. If and when that is not enough, parents can simply turn to the internet for further information, lessons, etc. If that's still not enough - parents can and do hire tutors.

You do realize that is the technology age, don't you? We are way beyond the brick and mortar school churning out cookie cutter curriculum by unionized teachers taking the tax payer for all they are worth. I'm sorry that you feel so threatened by all of this but the reality is, we are still at least a decade away (if not two or three) from learning shifting to a new paradigm (most likely online). So relax. Take a breath.

Heck, ten years ago my kids were using a totally online curriculum, with teachers for every subject available to answer questions, grade homework and tests, etc.

My son took an on-line class to supplement his studies in 2005, and he was damn lucky that Dad was a math teacher.

Did the class have a professor available for questions? Our curriculum did.

 

[hadit]

I don't believe liberal parents should be forced to make their children attend conservative public schools in red states and vice versa.

Home schooling is great if you want to raise a child with no exposure to any other ideas than your own,

Most people do not have the capability to home school because their own education is lacking or it is not feasible because of work schedules, etc.

If you can do it, great! If not, don't try to use it as a dodge for mandatory attendance laws or you will just be raising another idiot dependent on social services.

Home schooled children outperform their public school counterparts in every metric

That alone is reason to home school your kids

Prove it!

Require that high school dropout Mom that is teaching her kid to take the same tests as her public school counterpart teachers to prove the child is learning!

Go ahead! I dare you!

No one has! That is why your post stinks to high heaven.

We had our kids take the SOL's when their government school counterparts did. They did very well.

That is really great! I applaud parents who do that.

But, I'll bet you are not a high school dropout like the parent in my example.

No, both my wife and I have degrees.

 

[Muhammed]

Institutionalized public/private schooling and home schooling are not mutually exclusive.

You can do both.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Home schooling is great if you want to raise a child with no exposure to any other ideas than your own

State schooling is great if you want to raise a child with no exposure to any other ideas than those of the State.

Oh, that is oversimplistic bullshit!

There is little or no influence on school curriculum at the state level except feel good requirements of study most often placed by conservative state legislatures.

You're as stupid for blaming conservatives as he is for blaming liberals. Political ideologues such as yourself have ruined many things in this country, including our education system.

 

[kaz]

Then it is a private school.

Public high school in a rural area. Sorry to bust your bubble.

I think you took what I said too literally. Schools across the country are dominated by the left. I've lived in rich, Republican areas and the government schools are still overwhelmingly left. I've also lived in smaller cities in red areas and they are left. I think you hit the key word for the biggest exceptions when you said "rural"

What makes you think they are dominated by the left? That is the general consensus, but outside of news reports from the major liberal cities like NY, LA, Boston, and Chicago, can you honestly say the problem is nationwide.

I already answered that, and to you

It must not have impressed me much.

Your government high school?

 

[dblack]

Regarding the OP: It depends on what problem you're trying to solve.

 

[koshergrl]

Home schooling is great if you want to raise a child with no exposure to any other ideas than your own

State schooling is great if you want to raise a child with no exposure to any other ideas than those of the State.

Oh, that is oversimplistic bullshit!

There is little or no influence on school curriculum at the state level except feel good requirements of study most often placed by conservative state legislatures.

You're as stupid for blaming conservatives as he is for blaming liberals. Political ideologues such as yourself have ruined many things in this country, including our education system.

Wrong. What we did wrong was to not work harder to stop unconstitutional policies, not to mention actions, of the different branches of our government when we should have. Our problem isn't that we're ideologues. It's that we weren't adamant enough, and allowed those fuckhats to destroy our country.

 

[Centinel]

Public schools are a good idea and this is why they should have a national standard.

The government should govern, not operate businesses.

Public schools are not a business and if people would stop treating them as though they were, things would be a lot better.

Schooling should be a service provided by individuals for other individuals. Operating schools, or bakeries, or shoe factories, or farms, or religious education, or pencil manufacturing, or car factories are not, or should not, be the purpose of government. The purpose of government should be to govern.

You provide no reasoning whatsoever, only a declaration. Do you really expect to win anyone over to your point of view that way?

Because education is too important to be done by the government.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

what criteria?

Does the teacher have a lesson plan ready when class starts? Does he/she know the material?
Does the teacher have all class work graded and back to the students on time?
Does the teacher consistently miss class?
Does the teacher have proper answers for questions asked during class?
Does the teacher bring a political agenda into the classroom?

I'm sure you can think of others.

Ultimately, it comes down to this: Do you think teacher compensation should be merit based or not?

Wow! Nobody told me it was amateur hour!

How well are the professionals doing?

Just fine, thank you!

I would disagree, given our students' poor performance internationally.

I already addressed that huge misconception in another post. Our top students are among the best in the world. However, they are paired with a large number of immigrants and minorities who do not have the skills to be successful because of language barriers. When other countries start educating and most importantly testing ALL of their students, then you can have valid comparison. At present, it is like comparing the Denver Broncos to a high school football team for the deaf and blind.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Public schools are a good idea and this is why they should have a national standard.

The government should govern, not operate businesses.

Public schools are not a business and if people would stop treating them as though they were, things would be a lot better.

Schooling should be a service provided by individuals for other individuals. Operating schools, or bakeries, or shoe factories, or farms, or religious education, or pencil manufacturing, or car factories are not, or should not, be the purpose of government. The purpose of government should be to govern.

You provide no reasoning whatsoever, only a declaration. Do you really expect to win anyone over to your point of view that way?

Because education is too important to be done by the government.

That's an interesting theory since that is how it has been done in this country and around the world forever. I have still yet to see any reasoning.

 

[Centinel]

The government should govern, not operate businesses.

Public schools are not a business and if people would stop treating them as though they were, things would be a lot better.

Schooling should be a service provided by individuals for other individuals. Operating schools, or bakeries, or shoe factories, or farms, or religious education, or pencil manufacturing, or car factories are not, or should not, be the purpose of government. The purpose of government should be to govern.

You provide no reasoning whatsoever, only a declaration. Do you really expect to win anyone over to your point of view that way?

Because education is too important to be done by the government.

That's an interesting theory since that is how it has been done in this country and around the world forever. I have still yet to see any reasoning.

I just told you my reasoning. Education is too important to be done by the government.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Public high school in a rural area. Sorry to bust your bubble.

I think you took what I said too literally. Schools across the country are dominated by the left. I've lived in rich, Republican areas and the government schools are still overwhelmingly left. I've also lived in smaller cities in red areas and they are left. I think you hit the key word for the biggest exceptions when you said "rural"

What makes you think they are dominated by the left? That is the general consensus, but outside of news reports from the major liberal cities like NY, LA, Boston, and Chicago, can you honestly say the problem is nationwide.

I already answered that, and to you

It must not have impressed me much.

Your government high school?

Yes, my government high school in a county dominated by conservatives,and in a state dominated by conservatives.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Public schools are not a business and if people would stop treating them as though they were, things would be a lot better.

Schooling should be a service provided by individuals for other individuals. Operating schools, or bakeries, or shoe factories, or farms, or religious education, or pencil manufacturing, or car factories are not, or should not, be the purpose of government. The purpose of government should be to govern.

You provide no reasoning whatsoever, only a declaration. Do you really expect to win anyone over to your point of view that way?

Because education is too important to be done by the government.

That's an interesting theory since that is how it has been done in this country and around the world forever. I have still yet to see any reasoning.

I just told you my reasoning. Education is too important to be done by the government.

In other words, you are so intellectually limited as to be able to form an argument based on your position. Got it!

Goodbye!

 

[Centinel]

Schooling should be a service provided by individuals for other individuals. Operating schools, or bakeries, or shoe factories, or farms, or religious education, or pencil manufacturing, or car factories are not, or should not, be the purpose of government. The purpose of government should be to govern.

You provide no reasoning whatsoever, only a declaration. Do you really expect to win anyone over to your point of view that way?

Because education is too important to be done by the government.

That's an interesting theory since that is how it has been done in this country and around the world forever. I have still yet to see any reasoning.

I just told you my reasoning. Education is too important to be done by the government.

In other words, you are so intellectually limited as to be able to form an argument based on your position. Got it!

Goodbye!

What don't you understand? Socialism can't produce the same results that free people can. I don't want socialism in schooling. I want free people to provide schooling, so it can be better than our current socialized schools.

 

[kaz]

I think you took what I said too literally. Schools across the country are dominated by the left. I've lived in rich, Republican areas and the government schools are still overwhelmingly left. I've also lived in smaller cities in red areas and they are left. I think you hit the key word for the biggest exceptions when you said "rural"

What makes you think they are dominated by the left? That is the general consensus, but outside of news reports from the major liberal cities like NY, LA, Boston, and Chicago, can you honestly say the problem is nationwide.

I already answered that, and to you

It must not have impressed me much.

Your government high school?

Yes, my government high school in a county dominated by conservatives,and in a state dominated by conservatives.

Sucked to be one of the few leftists there, huh? Wow, you're a leftist, you go to a government school, and it's not leftist! Wow, sucks.

 

[hadit]

Does the teacher have a lesson plan ready when class starts? Does he/she know the material?
Does the teacher have all class work graded and back to the students on time?
Does the teacher consistently miss class?
Does the teacher have proper answers for questions asked during class?
Does the teacher bring a political agenda into the classroom?

I'm sure you can think of others.

Ultimately, it comes down to this: Do you think teacher compensation should be merit based or not?

Wow! Nobody told me it was amateur hour!

How well are the professionals doing?

Just fine, thank you!

I would disagree, given our students' poor performance internationally.

I already addressed that huge misconception in another post. Our top students are among the best in the world. However, they are paired with a large number of immigrants and minorities who do not have the skills to be successful because of language barriers. When other countries start educating and most importantly testing ALL of their students, then you can have valid comparison. At present, it is like comparing the Denver Broncos to a high school football team for the deaf and blind.

Except in this case our country spends far more per student than does any other country. Setting aside the performance of our best, there is no good reason why we should have districts in inner cities that graduate half their students.