Is homeschooling a good solution?

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I don't believe liberal parents should be forced to make their children attend conservative public schools in red states and vice versa.

I agree. People should be allowed to tend to the educate of their children as they see fit. How does the US Department of Education advance this notion?

The U.S. Education Department was little to no impact s home schooling is a state issue.

 

[initforme]

Behavioral problems stem from the homes students come from.

 

[SmokeALib]

I don't believe liberal parents should be forced to make their children attend conservative public schools in red states and vice versa.

Move to a blue state.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I don't believe liberal parents should be forced to make their children attend conservative public schools in red states and vice versa.

Home schooling is great if you want to raise a child with no exposure to any other ideas than your own,

Most people do not have the capability to home school because their own education is lacking or it is not feasible because of work schedules, etc.

If you can do it, great! If not, don't try to use it as a dodge for mandatory attendance laws or you will just be raising another idiot dependent on social services.

And yet somehow homeschooled kids kick ass on virtually every measure. For the record I homeschooled my older son. All the homeschooled kids I ever met, even where their parents were hardly intellects, were polite and could interact well with adults.

Really? How do they kick ass? Did you bother to test the special education student whose mother decided to home school her child while she was lacking even a high school diploma? Of course not!

Look up self-selection bias.

Home school children do not take standardized tests and have the option to take the ACT and SAT. Many public school students are required to take those tests, whether they ever intend to go to college or not. I have watched students bubble in the sheet randomly and then take a nap.

How well do you think they do, when compared to home school students who take the tests in order to go to college?

Wow....this is such a mountain of misinformation, I don't even know where to begin. You're literally just making shit up as you (typical of idiot liberals).

For starters - homeschooled children absolutely must take standard tests. It's state law. You're an absolute buffoon who has no idea about reality. You clearly don't even know what homeschooling is. You think a mother or father can just make up the curriculum (which is completely false and totally hilarious).

A homeschooled child must learn the state curriculum and must go to a testing center for all "normal" tests and for all standardized tests you buffoon.

Further still, here are the actual facts on homeschooling. How about learning something for once before spouting off about it?!?

“A recent study shows that homeschooled kids score almost twice as high on exams as public school students. Other studies show that homeschooled kids score 72 points higher than the national average on SAT exams.

Homeschoolers are more likely to attend college, are more likely to graduate, and have higher college GPAs (Grade Point Averages) than other students.

The old wives’ tale spread by the teachers’ unions (who are afraid of competition) is that homeschoolers are not “socialized.” Well, the facts are in. Homeschoolers are almost twice as involved in their local community or church as public school students, and almost three times as involved in politics.

Homeschooled children also have far fewer behavioral problems.”

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You accuse me of not knowing what I am talking about and you follow up with this tripe? Please respond with a link that shows ALL home school students are required to take the ACT in their junior year of high school like all of my students are required to do?

Did you find all of these "facts" on HSDL? That group should be investigated as a criminal enterprise.

The reason they appear to do well is self-selection bias.

Why do Mexican-Americans do well is Spanish class in high school? DUH!

 

[Dale Smith]

Might as well end this thread now, folks....we have a winner....nicely done, Rottweiler.....

The real research on home schooling is astounding. I think more than anything is that parents of homeschooled children are heavily involved. And other research has shown that nothing impacts a child's education more than the level of involvement by the parents.

Right as rain and what liberals ant us to think is that the child will not be able to socially interact with others....I mean seriously? Home schooled kids will not be interacting with other kids on the weekends and the three months of Summer? School is only in session 176 days out of the year...that leaves 189 days that a child is not being programmed...how and the fuck do these children survive? (insert eye roll here)

It is more of a struggle with social events, but a local church helps, along with athletics in the community..But my first child lived many miles from town, so he was more isolated than others are..

Since he had a parent that cared....I am sure that he made out just fine. I hated school for the most part....not because of what I learned but because of the bullying that comes with being a kid that had to move a lot. I never had anyone that was in a position of power to stand up for me....I was told to just " take my lumps and deal with it". Great lesson to teach a kid when he is 9 years old. The public school system is the communist model for society that the global elites want to implement.

I had to learn to stand up for myself...Just as every kid must learn...In every school I attended, the military and life in general..Bullying does not emanate from public schools, it starts at home...

Ahhh...I see.... so everyone that is being exploited by the system that is being overworked and underpaid simply needs to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and "stand up" for themselves....interesting view coming from a liberal....you are a rare breed.

 

[P@triot]

ITT I see a lot of people who lack a basic education wishing to pass on their lack of a basic education to their children rather than giving their children the chance to be educated, form their own opinions, and succeed in life.

If your world view is so fragile as to be defeated by basic education...it may mean that your world view is wrong...not that basic education is wrong.

Or it may be that the more liberals have gotten involved in education, the more it has failed. Since Jimmy Carter created the Department of Education, we have seen national scores plummet. So the "lack of basic education" I see is from people like you who have no idea what they are talking about, are mindless little minions to the system, refuse to question their masters, and are too lazy to take responsibility for their children - preferring instead to have the government raise them.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

I don't believe liberal parents should be forced to make their children attend conservative public schools in red states and vice versa.

I agree. People should be allowed to tend to the educate of their children as they see fit. How does the US Department of Education advance this notion?

The U.S. Education Department was little to no impact s home schooling is a state issue.

But what does US DE do for school choice?

 

[P@triot]

Knowing what I do now? There is no fucking way I would send my kids to the indoctrination centers that are trying to pass themselves off as public education. They don't teach kids HOW to think insomuch as they teach them what to think. They don't want generations of free thinkers...they want obedient workers that will never question authority which is so ironic since the teaching profession is thick with liberals that made it their business to question the status quo...that is, until they became the authority. I can't even begin to express my utter hatred for what passes as "liberals" today....they have been nothing but useful idiots to the same oligarchs that they proclaim to be against. They don't have the sense that God saw fit to give a goat......un-friggin'-real.

This is the problem with some Homeschoolers... What kind of education would Dale give a child...

Lets make it very clear... Dale's children would have rights, they have the right to be educated properly despite Dale trying to restrict this right...

The thing is Children have rights too...

So the question is: Does the rights of the child outweigh to wishes of the parents?

Children have rights? Really? Tell me more. Do they have the right to vote? I know I do. So please tell me that children have the right to vote (I missed that somewhere) and then document that right to vote for me so I can verify independently.

 

[initforme]

I taught my kids there ate many different views to any issue...and it is OK to have your own view...no matter the issue. Let them decide for themselves.

 

[Never3ndr]

ITT I see a lot of people who lack a basic education wishing to pass on their lack of a basic education to their children rather than giving their children the chance to be educated, form their own opinions, and succeed in life.

If your world view is so fragile as to be defeated by basic education...it may mean that your world view is wrong...not that basic education is wrong.

Or it may be that the more liberals have gotten involved in education, the more it has failed. Since Jimmy Carter created the Department of Education, we have seen national scores plummet. So the "lack of basic education" I see is from people like you who have no idea what they are talking about, are mindless little minions to the system, refuse to question their masters, and are too lazy to take responsibility for their children - preferring instead to have the government raise them.

Seriously? Okay prove me wrong. Point to the 1st world nation that doesn't offer any public schooling that is outperforming the US.

You think that they are teaching modern feminist theory or something in high school...you do realize that those kids are just learning to bare basics of knowledge in our world right? Nobody is going to be asking them to stain a sample of microorganisms, code an elaborate application, or further economic theory or research. These kids are learning basic crap like calculus, (basic) chemistry, and English literature.

Again, if your world view is so fragile as to be defeated by a BASIC education, then your world view is probably weak.

 

[P@triot]

ITT I see a lot of people who lack a basic education wishing to pass on their lack of a basic education to their children rather than giving their children the chance to be educated, form their own opinions, and succeed in life.

If your world view is so fragile as to be defeated by basic education...it may mean that your world view is wrong...not that basic education is wrong.

Or it may be that the more liberals have gotten involved in education, the more it has failed. Since Jimmy Carter created the Department of Education, we have seen national scores plummet. So the "lack of basic education" I see is from people like you who have no idea what they are talking about, are mindless little minions to the system, refuse to question their masters, and are too lazy to take responsibility for their children - preferring instead to have the government raise them.

Seriously? Okay prove me wrong. Point to the 1st world nation that doesn't offer any public schooling that is outperforming the US.

You think that they are teaching modern feminist theory or something in high school...you do realize that those kids are just learning to bare basics of knowledge in our world right? Nobody is going to be asking them to stain a sample of microorganisms, code an elaborate application, or further economic theory or research. These kids are learning basic crap like calculus, (basic) chemistry, and English literature.

Again, if your world view is so fragile as to be defeated by a BASIC education, then your world view is probably weak.

Again - since liberals have gotten more involved with education and since they have moved more and more control over it to the federal government, we have seen performance plummet. That is just a simple fact.

I don't understand your question above because it completely supports what I said. Just about every other nation is outperforming our public school systems. Which is exactly why so many parents are turning to homeschooling. And the results are astounding. Homeschooled children are crushing public school children in every metric.

 

[initforme]

It does depend hugely on where one lives. Su scribing only to testing g is the sign of a week minded parent.

 

[Moonglow]

It's not just the schools system, it's the kids also, and parents....

 

[initforme]

Federal and state testing ate expensive and provide little indication of anything other than how much kids are prepped to take a federal test.

 

[The Rabbi]

I don't believe liberal parents should be forced to make their children attend conservative public schools in red states and vice versa.

Home schooling is great if you want to raise a child with no exposure to any other ideas than your own,

Most people do not have the capability to home school because their own education is lacking or it is not feasible because of work schedules, etc.

If you can do it, great! If not, don't try to use it as a dodge for mandatory attendance laws or you will just be raising another idiot dependent on social services.

And yet somehow homeschooled kids kick ass on virtually every measure. For the record I homeschooled my older son. All the homeschooled kids I ever met, even where their parents were hardly intellects, were polite and could interact well with adults.

Really? How do they kick ass? Did you bother to test the special education student whose mother decided to home school her child while she was lacking even a high school diploma? Of course not!

Look up self-selection bias.

Home school children do not take standardized tests and have the option to take the ACT and SAT. Many public school students are required to take those tests, whether they ever intend to go to college or not. I have watched students bubble in the sheet randomly and then take a nap.

How well do you think they do, when compared to home school students who take the tests in order to go to college?

blahblahblah spoken like a true educational establlishment drone. Not invented here, therefore no good.
Homeschool students win or come in tops in every contest, from spelling bees to science fairs. They excel in colleges and are highly sought after for that reason.
Public schools are expensive failures whose managers and workers are always looking for excuses for their poor performance.

 

[P@triot]

I taught my kids there ate many different views to any issue...and it is OK to have your own view...no matter the issue. Let them decide for themselves.

I agree 100% with this. I have done the exact same thing. I taught them the U.S. Constitution thoroughly, I taught them the dangers of deviating from it and from a lawless nation, and then I made it very clear they could vote Republican or Democrat, Communist Party U.S.A. or Tea Party, Socialist or Libertarian.

 

[Never3ndr]

ITT I see a lot of people who lack a basic education wishing to pass on their lack of a basic education to their children rather than giving their children the chance to be educated, form their own opinions, and succeed in life.

If your world view is so fragile as to be defeated by basic education...it may mean that your world view is wrong...not that basic education is wrong.

Or it may be that the more liberals have gotten involved in education, the more it has failed. Since Jimmy Carter created the Department of Education, we have seen national scores plummet. So the "lack of basic education" I see is from people like you who have no idea what they are talking about, are mindless little minions to the system, refuse to question their masters, and are too lazy to take responsibility for their children - preferring instead to have the government raise them.

Seriously? Okay prove me wrong. Point to the 1st world nation that doesn't offer any public schooling that is outperforming the US.

You think that they are teaching modern feminist theory or something in high school...you do realize that those kids are just learning to bare basics of knowledge in our world right? Nobody is going to be asking them to stain a sample of microorganisms, code an elaborate application, or further economic theory or research. These kids are learning basic crap like calculus, (basic) chemistry, and English literature.

Again, if your world view is so fragile as to be defeated by a BASIC education, then your world view is probably weak.

Again - since liberals have gotten more involved with education and since they have moved more and more control over it to the federal government, we have seen performance plummet. That is just a simple fact.

I don't understand your question above because it completely supports what I said. Just about every other nation is outperforming our public school systems. Which is exactly why so many parents are turning to homeschooling. And the results are astounding. Homeschooled children are crushing public school children in every metric.

Just about every nation is outperforming our public schools...I'm not actually doubting that. What I am pointing out is HOW MANY OF THEM DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC SCHOOLS? Do you think that all of their children are homeschooled or something? Also, you do realize that most of those nations (except maybe China off the top of my head) has actually MORE liberal views / education than our own nation. If anything, the fact that you point towards other nations as being better only leads to the conclusion that you would like to mirror their systems, which enforces FAR more liberal views than our own.

I don't actually doubt that homeschooled children crush public schooled children. I'd agree with that. The issue is that homeschooling is not a realistic answer on a broad basis for our population. It is a great answer if the kid's parents are already well-educated and financially well off or if the kid is an exceptional academic star. However, looking towards homeschooling as a broad stroked answer to our nation's educational problems brings us BACKWARDS rather than forwards. Do you really want for half of the working population with families to quit their jobs in order to educate their children? Do you realize what you would be calling upon in order for this to happen?

The clear answer is to encourage a BETTER public education rather than encouraging our work force to quit their jobs to haphazardly educate their children in a manner they deem best.

 

[bripat9643]

Kids should be taught to think for themselves. They should be give age-appropriate information from all sides of a given issue. RWNJ traitors cannot and will not allow that because kids would never agree to be the same fundie nutters their parents are.

Kids dont have the capability to make decisions. That's why we don't hold them responsible for their mistakes. My RWNJ parents ruled with an iron hsnd. We were told that having our own opinions came with the ability and willingness to support ourselves. Until tben we had no opinions of our own.

I am "right wing" but I like asking my kids their opinions and what THEY think is the best option etc. I prefer to guide them instead of DICTATING to them. I have expectations that were well known when they were VERY young and they have been repeated so they know what we expect. So far no reason to force anything on them....odd how kids usually make the RIGHT choice when allowed to do it themselves I am more strict with their clothing options than anything else lol

You have to realize - liberals play a bunch of misinformation cards (like your children will lack social skills, or they will be "brainwashed") because homeschooling is one of those things that scares the living hell out of them. Indoctrination is the only thing they have going for them. An objective person, when provided the facts, will choose conservatism every time. If the American people start moving towards homeschooling, the dependent class will have no way of convincing the young and impressionable why failed liberal socialism is the way to go.

BINGO!

That's also the reason they hate vouchers. When parents can choose their schools, they don't have to put their kid in a school where he will be pumped full of leftwing propaganda.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Kids should be taught to think for themselves. They should be give age-appropriate information from all sides of a given issue. RWNJ traitors cannot and will not allow that because kids would never agree to be the same fundie nutters their parents are.

Kids dont have the capability to make decisions. That's why we don't hold them responsible for their mistakes. My RWNJ parents ruled with an iron hsnd. We were told that having our own opinions came with the ability and willingness to support ourselves. Until tben we had no opinions of our own.

I am "right wing" but I like asking my kids their opinions and what THEY think is the best option etc. I prefer to guide them instead of DICTATING to them. I have expectations that were well known when they were VERY young and they have been repeated so they know what we expect. So far no reason to force anything on them....odd how kids usually make the RIGHT choice when allowed to do it themselves I am more strict with their clothing options than anything else lol

You have to realize - liberals play a bunch of misinformation cards (like your children will lack social skills, or they will be "brainwashed") because homeschooling is one of those things that scares the living hell out of them. Indoctrination is the only thing they have going for them. An objective person, when provided the facts, will choose conservatism every time. If the American people start moving towards homeschooling, the dependent class will have no way of convincing the young and impressionable why failed liberal socialism is the way to go.

Yes, I spend all day long indoctrinating my students in the wonders of socialist Algebra, which sounds like it should be a terrorist group.

Most parents cannot teach their way out of a wet paper bag because they never learned it themselves.

If that is not the case, I say home school to your little hearts content! My own granddaughter is being home schooled.

I just get pissed off when people try to use bogus statistics to back up their arguments. Anyone with a knowledge of statistics would know that their data is flawed.

 

[bripat9643]

School is what your kid makes of it. If they have an issue, look in the mirror for the problem. Problem kids have kooky parents.

So the teachers are entirely irrelevant? Then why have public schooling at all?