Italy Death Rate Hits 7%

[ElmerMudd]

You need to educate yourself. Your simple analysis results in an incorrect conclusion. You need to consider all metrics in epidemic analytics. You are only looking at total deaths. You need to factor the number of individuals in the population that are susceptible to the disease, how contagious and how deadly the virus is.
You are trying to do an analysis using addition and subtraction only. You need to use calculus to obtain a correct conclusion. Not, literally but you hear what I am saying.

This thread is about the death Rate..............Mortality Rate they usually like to say.

I don't believe the rate is that high..............My reasons......the last article a good reason.....the Disease control people were saying that...........and the fact that only 1% of the population were tested from the other site...........

There is NO WAY they Really know how many have had it already...or even have it now......Only those tested are DATA..............so it's a best guess.

Death rate is only one metric. The analytics use multiple metrics. Granted, these metrics are not exact and will change as they receive more data, but the standard deviation of current estimates provides enough information to warrnt the actions being taken currently.

That's certainly your opinion. But personally, I see a lot of unwarranted panic out there and a lot of blaming of the President for this pestilence.

If you look back at the news reports back in 1349 when the Black Death became popular, people weren't nearly as frantic, not nearly as political, as they are today. Even though the CV doesn't look like to me to even be reaching the previous levels.

This is not 1349.
Read the data. It is not n opinion.
This is close to the analysis I summarize but it provides the same conclusions.
Using Kalman Filter to Predict Corona Virus Spread

And yet I showed 2 other testing means that got different results..................SPLAIN THAT.

That is only one method........THEORY.........They didn't match the WHO...........or THE CDC for that matter.

where did you show different testing results. Are you talking about the mortality rate only?

 

[eagle1462010]

You are the moron. See what has been done in China, South Korea and Italy. And what is being done throughout europe.
Stupidity is more lethal than the coronavirus.

Baloney.................You want people to go look at something YELL FIRE................

That is what the Media is doing.

FIRE.........FIRE.......FIRE........

It's BS..........I've been on many threads .....and this one on South Korea........
South Korea Leads the world in Corona virus testing
And they have a LOW MORTALITY RATE.........with MORE TESTING than most other countries..........They have test kits to 1 million tests available a week............and that is how they handled this........

NOT THE SKY IS FALLING THING we have now.

If there is a fire you yell fire

LOL

Actually it is training for women to YELL THAT if someone is trying to Rape them..........People don't tend to run to RAPE ....RAPE.....but everyone goes to see FIRE .........FIRE.....FIRE.....

it draws attention..............it HYPES IT UP.....and it gives the MEDIA RATINGS..........Imagine that.

 

[eagle1462010]

This thread is about the death Rate..............Mortality Rate they usually like to say.

I don't believe the rate is that high..............My reasons......the last article a good reason.....the Disease control people were saying that...........and the fact that only 1% of the population were tested from the other site...........

There is NO WAY they Really know how many have had it already...or even have it now......Only those tested are DATA..............so it's a best guess.

Death rate is only one metric. The analytics use multiple metrics. Granted, these metrics are not exact and will change as they receive more data, but the standard deviation of current estimates provides enough information to warrnt the actions being taken currently.

That's certainly your opinion. But personally, I see a lot of unwarranted panic out there and a lot of blaming of the President for this pestilence.

If you look back at the news reports back in 1349 when the Black Death became popular, people weren't nearly as frantic, not nearly as political, as they are today. Even though the CV doesn't look like to me to even be reaching the previous levels.

This is not 1349.
Read the data. It is not n opinion.
This is close to the analysis I summarize but it provides the same conclusions.
Using Kalman Filter to Predict Corona Virus Spread

And yet I showed 2 other testing means that got different results..................SPLAIN THAT.

That is only one method........THEORY.........They didn't match the WHO...........or THE CDC for that matter.

where did you show different testing results. Are you talking about the mortality rate only?

I showed those articles a little while back on this thread...........GUESS you didn't look........LOL

Imagine that.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Bolton defends decision to shutter NSC pandemic office

Ok....while some quit........Bolton restructures the National Security Team.........some were moved to different offices doing the same job.

Trump says Bolton is incompetent. What does he know. Why listen to him?

Libs say that Bolton is an incompetent warmonger as well. Or at least they did for many years until he stabbed Trump in the back.

I remember when the libs refused to confirm Bolton back in the day when Dubya appointed him to some job.

I still think he is a war monger.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Death rate is only one metric. The analytics use multiple metrics. Granted, these metrics are not exact and will change as they receive more data, but the standard deviation of current estimates provides enough information to warrnt the actions being taken currently.

That's certainly your opinion. But personally, I see a lot of unwarranted panic out there and a lot of blaming of the President for this pestilence.

If you look back at the news reports back in 1349 when the Black Death became popular, people weren't nearly as frantic, not nearly as political, as they are today. Even though the CV doesn't look like to me to even be reaching the previous levels.

This is not 1349.
Read the data. It is not n opinion.
This is close to the analysis I summarize but it provides the same conclusions.
Using Kalman Filter to Predict Corona Virus Spread

And yet I showed 2 other testing means that got different results..................SPLAIN THAT.

That is only one method........THEORY.........They didn't match the WHO...........or THE CDC for that matter.

where did you show different testing results. Are you talking about the mortality rate only?

I showed those articles a little while back on this thread...........GUESS you didn't look........LOL

Imagine that.

The ones on mortality rate only?

 

[eagle1462010]

Bolton defends decision to shutter NSC pandemic office

Ok....while some quit........Bolton restructures the National Security Team.........some were moved to different offices doing the same job.

Trump says Bolton is incompetent. What does he know. Why listen to him?

Libs say that Bolton is an incompetent warmonger as well. Or at least they did for many years until he stabbed Trump in the back.

I remember when the libs refused to confirm Bolton back in the day when Dubya appointed him to some job.

I still think he is a war monger.

So do I ..............post 116 I believe

 

[Polishprince]

Bolton defends decision to shutter NSC pandemic office

Ok....while some quit........Bolton restructures the National Security Team.........some were moved to different offices doing the same job.

Trump says Bolton is incompetent. What does he know. Why listen to him?

Libs say that Bolton is an incompetent warmonger as well. Or at least they did for many years until he stabbed Trump in the back.

I remember when the libs refused to confirm Bolton back in the day when Dubya appointed him to some job.

I still think he is a war monger.

Then you agree with our President's decision to fire him?

 

[ElmerMudd]

Bolton defends decision to shutter NSC pandemic office

Ok....while some quit........Bolton restructures the National Security Team.........some were moved to different offices doing the same job.

Trump says Bolton is incompetent. What does he know. Why listen to him?

Libs say that Bolton is an incompetent warmonger as well. Or at least they did for many years until he stabbed Trump in the back.

I remember when the libs refused to confirm Bolton back in the day when Dubya appointed him to some job.

I still think he is a war monger.

So do I ..............post 116 I believe

Yes, the data is changing as more data becomes available. But factoring in a range for mortality rate, a range for how contagious, plus you cannot change that 100% of the population is susceptible, you have a problem thaat warrants actions being taken.
I predict the mortality rate will go lower, possibly closer to 1%. There are many people who have had the virus and recovered who do not show up in the calculations.

 

[eagle1462010]

Bolton defends decision to shutter NSC pandemic office

Ok....while some quit........Bolton restructures the National Security Team.........some were moved to different offices doing the same job.

Trump says Bolton is incompetent. What does he know. Why listen to him?

Libs say that Bolton is an incompetent warmonger as well. Or at least they did for many years until he stabbed Trump in the back.

I remember when the libs refused to confirm Bolton back in the day when Dubya appointed him to some job.

I still think he is a war monger.

So do I ..............post 116 I believe

Yes, the data is changing as more data becomes available. But factoring in a range for mortality rate, a range for how contagious, plus you cannot change that 100% of the population is susceptible, you have a problem thaat warrants actions being taken.
I predict the mortality rate will go lower, possibly closer to 1%. There are many people who have had the virus and recovered who do not show up in the calculations.

Which is what I've been saying all along........................And that 1% is very close to the South Korea Rate of 0.7%.............And they have done more data than the others there.................More tests ............So better Statistics...........Yet that rate is 480% lower than the WHO RATE................Which is double the Rate your site posted...........which is different from the CDC...........

The Rates are all over the place...........THAT HAS BEEN AND IS MY POINT...They aren't Statistically accurate.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Using Kalman Filter to Predict Corona Virus Spread

As a beginning, let’s briefly compare the COVID19 to an older fatal virus-Ebola. Ebola is not a new disease (first cases were identified in 1976) but in 2014 and 2018 it erupted again until these days.
* The fatality rate of EBOV is much higher and may reach a 75% death case comparing to ~2.7% death of COVID19. It must be noted that COVID19 is an ongoing disease so the fatality rate is not final and will most likely increase.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...0306-sitrep-46-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=96b04adf_2

Mortality for COVID-19 appears higher than for influenza, especially seasonal influenza. While the true mortality of COVID-19 will take some time to fully understand, the data we have so far indicate that the crude mortality ratio (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) is between 3-4%, the infection mortality rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) will be lower. For seasonal influenza, mortality is usually well below 0.1%. However, mortality is to a large extent determined by access to and quality of health care.

Estimating Risk for Death from 2019 Novel Coronavirus Disease, China, January–February 2020

In conclusion, our estimates of the risk for death from COVID-19 in China as of February 11, 2020, were as high as 12% in the epicenter of the epidemic and as low as ≈1% in the less severely affected areas in China. Because the risk for death from COVID-19 is probably associated with a breakdown of the healthcare system in the absence of pharmaceutical interventions (i.e., vaccination and antiviral drugs), enhanced public health interventions (including social distancing measures, quarantine, enhanced infection control in healthcare settings, and movement restrictions), as well as enhanced hygienic measures in the general population and an increase in healthcare system capacity, should be implemented to rapidly contain the epidemic.


In South Korea it was 0.7% with far more tests done........
The CDC article shows their testing methods..........and how they get the rate....

The NUMBERS from different centers and studies ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE.........That is my point.

Yes but all of the preliminary numbers leave no doubt that if there is not serious mitigation we will have a disaster.
The mitigation is going to cause great short term damage to the economy and our daily lives but if we do not do it, the long term damage will be worse

Of COURSE......and we are trying to mitigate it...........but putting out high numbers only leads to HYSTERIA..................and runs on the grocery stores..........We already have that.............PANIC AND CHAOS fueled by the MEDIA isn't the answer..............and THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT WE HAVE.

The media is doing a tremendous job in stirring up panic among the General Population in regards to this bug. Their hope, their dream , is to create Economic Collapse in America so that they can blame it on Trump and Sleepy Joe will be the new FDR to lead the country into a Raw Deal and a new World War.

But if people would step back and sober up, they'd realize that even a majority of the very old- and almost all of the youths - would be able to survive this virus no problem.

Just think we might have really prevented this if we weren't 100% focused on a fake impeachment. Sad how many Schiff killed.

Do you think firing the entire pandemic team in 2018 helped. The past is the past. Everyone must focus on what can be done going forward.
I have heard a lot of ridiculous blaming for this crisis but yours is the most ridiculous.

Dems blaming trump is current. Even though he took steps regarding the virus while democrats were trying to impeach. They called him xenophobic for restricting travel and then later blamed him for not doing enough. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Democrats are utterly dishonest.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Most cases of the flu are also not recorded, but yeah, I agree with what you're saying.

You need to educate yourself. Your simple analysis results in an incorrect conclusion. You need to consider all metrics in epidemic analytics. You are only looking at total deaths. You need to factor the number of individuals in the population that are susceptible to the disease, how contagious and how deadly the virus is.
You are trying to do an analysis using addition and subtraction only. You need to use calculus to obtain a correct conclusion. Not, literally but you hear what I am saying.

This thread is about the death Rate..............Mortality Rate they usually like to say.

I don't believe the rate is that high..............My reasons......the last article a good reason.....the Disease control people were saying that...........and the fact that only 1% of the population were tested from the other site...........

There is NO WAY they Really know how many have had it already...or even have it now......Only those tested are DATA..............so it's a best guess.

Death rate is only one metric. The analytics use multiple metrics. Granted, these metrics are not exact and will change as they receive more data, but the standard deviation of current estimates provides enough information to warrnt the actions being taken currently.

You start by saying more data is necessary and then you jump to actions being warranted by current data. You contradict yourself.

More data will refine the strategy. You make decisions on the data you have, then as you get more data you refine the strategy. The more data the better the strategy. More data may show the virus is not as bad as we think. Let's hope so. But it could show it is worse than we think, also.

I totally agree with that which is why I’m so upset with democrats and their Pravda media.
S Korea’s numbers give the best perspective because they are more comprehensive but it doesn’t jibe with the panic narrative of the left.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Trump says Bolton is incompetent. What does he know. Why listen to him?

Libs say that Bolton is an incompetent warmonger as well. Or at least they did for many years until he stabbed Trump in the back.

I remember when the libs refused to confirm Bolton back in the day when Dubya appointed him to some job.

I still think he is a war monger.

So do I ..............post 116 I believe

Yes, the data is changing as more data becomes available. But factoring in a range for mortality rate, a range for how contagious, plus you cannot change that 100% of the population is susceptible, you have a problem thaat warrants actions being taken.
I predict the mortality rate will go lower, possibly closer to 1%. There are many people who have had the virus and recovered who do not show up in the calculations.

Which is what I've been saying all along........................And that 1% is very close to the South Korea Rate of 0.7%.............And they have done more data than the others there.................More tests ............So better Statistics...........Yet that rate is 480% lower than the WHO RATE................Which is double the Rate your site posted...........which is different from the CDC...........

The Rates are all over the place...........THAT HAS BEEN AND IS MY POINT...They aren't Statistically accurate.

Yes but they are statistically relevant. Factoring in the known potential deviation the analysis is significant enough to tell us the actions are necessary.They will be refining the analytics on this forever. And assume it the contagious rates and the mortality rate are much lower, great. Possibly we have overreacted but assume they are higher. I feel current recommendations are prudent. They are comparing the early data from this virus with the data they had on existing viruses at the same time in the life cycle. That helps them make predictions with having less data than they like.
I think we agree on more than we disagree,

 

[ElmerMudd]

You need to educate yourself. Your simple analysis results in an incorrect conclusion. You need to consider all metrics in epidemic analytics. You are only looking at total deaths. You need to factor the number of individuals in the population that are susceptible to the disease, how contagious and how deadly the virus is.
You are trying to do an analysis using addition and subtraction only. You need to use calculus to obtain a correct conclusion. Not, literally but you hear what I am saying.

This thread is about the death Rate..............Mortality Rate they usually like to say.

I don't believe the rate is that high..............My reasons......the last article a good reason.....the Disease control people were saying that...........and the fact that only 1% of the population were tested from the other site...........

There is NO WAY they Really know how many have had it already...or even have it now......Only those tested are DATA..............so it's a best guess.

Death rate is only one metric. The analytics use multiple metrics. Granted, these metrics are not exact and will change as they receive more data, but the standard deviation of current estimates provides enough information to warrnt the actions being taken currently.

You start by saying more data is necessary and then you jump to actions being warranted by current data. You contradict yourself.

More data will refine the strategy. You make decisions on the data you have, then as you get more data you refine the strategy. The more data the better the strategy. More data may show the virus is not as bad as we think. Let's hope so. But it could show it is worse than we think, also.

I totally agree with that which is why I’m so upset with democrats and their Pravda media.
S Korea’s numbers give the best perspective because they are more comprehensive but it doesn’t jibe with the panic narrative of the left.

I do not feel you should paint all "democrats" with the same brush. I am an independent, actually a registered Republican in 2016 but I do not like Trump. You might put me in the "democrat" pool. I think we all have to stop painting large groups with the same brush.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Libs say that Bolton is an incompetent warmonger as well. Or at least they did for many years until he stabbed Trump in the back.

I remember when the libs refused to confirm Bolton back in the day when Dubya appointed him to some job.

I still think he is a war monger.

So do I ..............post 116 I believe

Yes, the data is changing as more data becomes available. But factoring in a range for mortality rate, a range for how contagious, plus you cannot change that 100% of the population is susceptible, you have a problem thaat warrants actions being taken.
I predict the mortality rate will go lower, possibly closer to 1%. There are many people who have had the virus and recovered who do not show up in the calculations.

Which is what I've been saying all along........................And that 1% is very close to the South Korea Rate of 0.7%.............And they have done more data than the others there.................More tests ............So better Statistics...........Yet that rate is 480% lower than the WHO RATE................Which is double the Rate your site posted...........which is different from the CDC...........

The Rates are all over the place...........THAT HAS BEEN AND IS MY POINT...They aren't Statistically accurate.

Yes but they are statistically relevant. Factoring in the known potential deviation the analysis is significant enough to tell us the actions are necessary.They will be refining the analytics on this forever. And assume it the contagious rates and the mortality rate are much lower, great. Possibly we have overreacted but assume they are higher. I feel current recommendations are prudent. They are comparing the early data from this virus with the data they had on existing viruses at the same time in the life cycle. That helps them make predictions with having less data than they like.
I think we agree on more than we disagree,

You’re throwing the baby out with the bath water. You suggest not presuming upon less risk but you’re willing to hurt people economically through overreaction without first accurately determining the risk. Why not let the world operate as usual and then when/if the data suggests draconian measures, implement them then?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

This thread is about the death Rate..............Mortality Rate they usually like to say.

I don't believe the rate is that high..............My reasons......the last article a good reason.....the Disease control people were saying that...........and the fact that only 1% of the population were tested from the other site...........

There is NO WAY they Really know how many have had it already...or even have it now......Only those tested are DATA..............so it's a best guess.

Death rate is only one metric. The analytics use multiple metrics. Granted, these metrics are not exact and will change as they receive more data, but the standard deviation of current estimates provides enough information to warrnt the actions being taken currently.

You start by saying more data is necessary and then you jump to actions being warranted by current data. You contradict yourself.

More data will refine the strategy. You make decisions on the data you have, then as you get more data you refine the strategy. The more data the better the strategy. More data may show the virus is not as bad as we think. Let's hope so. But it could show it is worse than we think, also.

I totally agree with that which is why I’m so upset with democrats and their Pravda media.
S Korea’s numbers give the best perspective because they are more comprehensive but it doesn’t jibe with the panic narrative of the left.

I do not feel you should paint all "democrats" with the same brush. I am an independent, actually a registered Republican in 2016 but I do not like Trump. You might put me in the "democrat" pool. I think we all have to stop painting large groups with the same brush.

Democrats need to be painted with that broad brush because by voting democrat they abet the counter-productivity whether they know it or not.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

This thread is about the death Rate..............Mortality Rate they usually like to say.

I don't believe the rate is that high..............My reasons......the last article a good reason.....the Disease control people were saying that...........and the fact that only 1% of the population were tested from the other site...........

There is NO WAY they Really know how many have had it already...or even have it now......Only those tested are DATA..............so it's a best guess.

Death rate is only one metric. The analytics use multiple metrics. Granted, these metrics are not exact and will change as they receive more data, but the standard deviation of current estimates provides enough information to warrnt the actions being taken currently.

You start by saying more data is necessary and then you jump to actions being warranted by current data. You contradict yourself.

More data will refine the strategy. You make decisions on the data you have, then as you get more data you refine the strategy. The more data the better the strategy. More data may show the virus is not as bad as we think. Let's hope so. But it could show it is worse than we think, also.

I totally agree with that which is why I’m so upset with democrats and their Pravda media.
S Korea’s numbers give the best perspective because they are more comprehensive but it doesn’t jibe with the panic narrative of the left.

I do not feel you should paint all "democrats" with the same brush. I am an independent, actually a registered Republican in 2016 but I do not like Trump. You might put me in the "democrat" pool. I think we all have to stop painting large groups with the same brush.

BTW, I’m also an independent but one whose entire world is surrounded and dominated by almost exclusively democrats and their resulting destruction of the culture. I have too much perspective.

 

[ElmerMudd]

I still think he is a war monger.

So do I ..............post 116 I believe

Yes, the data is changing as more data becomes available. But factoring in a range for mortality rate, a range for how contagious, plus you cannot change that 100% of the population is susceptible, you have a problem thaat warrants actions being taken.
I predict the mortality rate will go lower, possibly closer to 1%. There are many people who have had the virus and recovered who do not show up in the calculations.

Which is what I've been saying all along........................And that 1% is very close to the South Korea Rate of 0.7%.............And they have done more data than the others there.................More tests ............So better Statistics...........Yet that rate is 480% lower than the WHO RATE................Which is double the Rate your site posted...........which is different from the CDC...........

The Rates are all over the place...........THAT HAS BEEN AND IS MY POINT...They aren't Statistically accurate.

Yes but they are statistically relevant. Factoring in the known potential deviation the analysis is significant enough to tell us the actions are necessary.They will be refining the analytics on this forever. And assume it the contagious rates and the mortality rate are much lower, great. Possibly we have overreacted but assume they are higher. I feel current recommendations are prudent. They are comparing the early data from this virus with the data they had on existing viruses at the same time in the life cycle. That helps them make predictions with having less data than they like.
I think we agree on more than we disagree,

You’re throwing the baby out with the bath water. You suggest not presuming upon less risk but you’re willing to hurt people economically through overreaction without first accurately determining the risk. Why not let the world operate as usual and then when/if the data suggests draconian measures, implement them then?

Most feel the current data suggests draconian measures. It is many people from many countries have decided this. There is no sure thing. But the potential take away if the draconian measures are not taken the result of the disease will be worse on the economy and everyone's lives if not checked.
The biggest concern is for those third world countries who cannot take these actions. What will happen there. Ultimately that may tell us if we have over reacted or not.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Just the flu folks...

‘Not a wave, a tsunami.’ Italy hospitals at virus limit

Italy’s high death rate — currently over 7% and double the average globally — has been blamed on its unusually old population, which is second only to Japan’s. But about a third of the ICU patients in Lombardy are aged 50-64, meaning the virus isn’t just striking the very old, but also Italians still in their working prime.

“We are trying to understand why the mortality rate seems so high compared to other countries, and why patients seem more critical than in other countries,” said epidemiologist Paolo D’Ancona at the National Institutes of Health.

As of Friday, Italy had 17,660 positive cases and 1,266 dead, more than any country outside China. Lombardy alone accounts for 55% of the infected and 70% of the dead. The government has imposed a nationwide lockdown, closing stores and restaurants, curbing public transport and telling the population of 60 million to stay home except for absolute need.

'Not a wave, a tsunami.' Italy hospitals at virus limit

The boomer virus...

Thanks, Chicoms

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

So do I ..............post 116 I believe

Yes, the data is changing as more data becomes available. But factoring in a range for mortality rate, a range for how contagious, plus you cannot change that 100% of the population is susceptible, you have a problem thaat warrants actions being taken.
I predict the mortality rate will go lower, possibly closer to 1%. There are many people who have had the virus and recovered who do not show up in the calculations.

Which is what I've been saying all along........................And that 1% is very close to the South Korea Rate of 0.7%.............And they have done more data than the others there.................More tests ............So better Statistics...........Yet that rate is 480% lower than the WHO RATE................Which is double the Rate your site posted...........which is different from the CDC...........

The Rates are all over the place...........THAT HAS BEEN AND IS MY POINT...They aren't Statistically accurate.

Yes but they are statistically relevant. Factoring in the known potential deviation the analysis is significant enough to tell us the actions are necessary.They will be refining the analytics on this forever. And assume it the contagious rates and the mortality rate are much lower, great. Possibly we have overreacted but assume they are higher. I feel current recommendations are prudent. They are comparing the early data from this virus with the data they had on existing viruses at the same time in the life cycle. That helps them make predictions with having less data than they like.
I think we agree on more than we disagree,

You’re throwing the baby out with the bath water. You suggest not presuming upon less risk but you’re willing to hurt people economically through overreaction without first accurately determining the risk. Why not let the world operate as usual and then when/if the data suggests draconian measures, implement them then?

Most feel the current data suggests draconian measures. It is many people from many countries have decided this. There is no sure thing. But the potential take away if the draconian measures are not taken the result of the disease will be worse on the economy and everyone's lives if not checked.
The biggest concern is for those third world countries who cannot take these actions. What will happen there. Ultimately that may tell us if we have over reacted or not.

And ‘most’ are being fed inaccurate data in order to push the agenda.

 

[Persistence Of Memory]

Yes but all of the preliminary numbers leave no doubt that if there is not serious mitigation we will have a disaster.
The mitigation is going to cause great short term damage to the economy and our daily lives but if we do not do it, the long term damage will be worse

Of COURSE......and we are trying to mitigate it...........but putting out high numbers only leads to HYSTERIA..................and runs on the grocery stores..........We already have that.............PANIC AND CHAOS fueled by the MEDIA isn't the answer..............and THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT WE HAVE.

The media is doing a tremendous job in stirring up panic among the General Population in regards to this bug. Their hope, their dream , is to create Economic Collapse in America so that they can blame it on Trump and Sleepy Joe will be the new FDR to lead the country into a Raw Deal and a new World War.

But if people would step back and sober up, they'd realize that even a majority of the very old- and almost all of the youths - would be able to survive this virus no problem.

Just think we might have really prevented this if we weren't 100% focused on a fake impeachment. Sad how many Schiff killed.

Do you think firing the entire pandemic team in 2018 helped. The past is the past. Everyone must focus on what can be done going forward.
I have heard a lot of ridiculous blaming for this crisis but yours is the most ridiculous.

Dems blaming trump is current. Even though he took steps regarding the virus while democrats were trying to impeach. They called him xenophobic for restricting travel and then later blamed him for not doing enough. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Democrats are utterly dishonest.

Days mattered on this. Schiff is to blame for a lot of deaths.