It’s Dumb and Dangerous for Liberals to Conflate All Conservatives With MAGA

[AZrailwhale]

I'm talking about America you fucking moron. It's easy to sus that out because I mention Northern and Southern States. Jesus fucking christ these boys are dumb.

I am too, YOU were criticizing Franklin and the founders for holding slaves, there WERE no states at the time. You're just trying to avoid the subject and not look like an idiot.

 

[Lastamender]

Your nutless accusations are your problem. Stop trolling, assface.

Trolling a troll does not count, stupid.

 

[Lastamender]

I am too, YOU were criticizing Franklin and the founders for holding slaves, there WERE no states at the time. You're just trying to avoid the subject and not look like an idiot.

It is a little late for that, his or her idiocy is a matter of record.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Of course claims the election was stolen are irrelevant

Declaring victory with a small percentage of the vote accounted for is moronic

Hey Republicans, I got some advice for ya

It ain’t over till it’s over
Stop basing your election strategy on early returns

Statistical probability.

 

[Curried Goats]

No, I have OBJECTIVE standards, not SUBJECTIVE ones like you have. I hold people to the standards of their time.

These two sentences are incongruent. Objectively, you should be able to acknowledge that Time, being without morals or desires, emotions or life, has no standards. People have standards. Morality is not a property of time. That's basic physics.

I can deplore their actions while still recognizing that they believed them moral and correct.

So now you deplore their actions? You really should make up your mind.

I can deplore the ancient Mediterranean civilization that sacrificed babies to Baal, or the Romans for their mass sacrifices of Christians and other slaves, or any of the societies of that time that ALL held slaves without condemning them because their actions were wrong by modern standards.

Why are you deploring actions you claim were perfectly acceptable at the time?

Is it because even in your cuck heart you know time doesnt have standards but you do?

Have you ever asked your parents why they immigrated from Jamaica to the USA if the USA is so horrible? After all, there can't be any racism there since it's 92.1 percent black.

Is that how you think logic works? Why can't there be racism in a country that's 92.1 percent black?

 

[rightwinger]

Statistical probability.

Having lost five states he won in 2016 and losing the popular vote by seven million, there is no statistical probability that Trump won

 

[Curried Goats]

I am too, YOU were criticizing Franklin and the founders for holding slaves, there WERE no states at the time. You're just trying to avoid the subject and not look like an idiot.

There were States after the Founding and slaves throughout both you fucking moron. Jesus christ you're dumb.

 

[rightwinger]

Like FOX did with AZ? And the massive fraud is still very relevant and will be in every election from now on until our elections have integrity again.

Guess what??
Fox was right

Trump lost Arizona

 

[AZrailwhale]

I'm talking about America you fucking moron. It's easy to sus that out because I mention Northern and Southern States. Jesus fucking christ these boys are dumb.

Even after the War of 1812 there was no textile industry in the USA, most of the South's cotton and tobacco went to England's factories for textile production. "Cotton became known as “King Cotton” in the South, and the Southern United States became the chief cotton supplier in the 1800s. In 1860 alone, over 60 percent of American exports was raw cotton." Up until the 1840s there were few cotton mills in the USA, almost all raw cotton was exported to England. There were so few US mills that in 1850, ONE mill, Boston Manufacturing Company, was responsible for one fifth of the total US textile production. That's how small scale the US textile production was before the Civil War. By 1860 the South had become meaningless economically and politically to the USA.

 

[Lastamender]

Guess what??
Fox was right

Trump lost Arizona

Trump was defrauded in AZ. When Lake is governor she will prove it. Tick tock.

 

[AZrailwhale]

There were States after the Founding and slaves throughout both you fucking moron. Jesus christ you're dumb.

There were states after the founding, but that has nothing to do with the discussion. Stop trying to divert the thread from your losing position. And your continual name calling of anyone who disagrees with you just makes you look infantile and stupid. Show some respect.

 

[rightwinger]

Trump was defrauded in AZ. When Lake is governor she will prove it. Tick tock.

Count
Recount
Audit
Cyber Ninja Audit

Trump still lost Arizona

 

[Lastamender]

Count
Recount
Audit
Cyber Ninja Audit

Trump still lost Arizona

The first AZ. audit had Dominion present, The Cyber Ninjas found 30 laws broken. Trump was defrauded. We will be hearing from Gov. Lake all about with the proof to back it up.

 

[Curried Goats]

Even after the War of 1812 there was no textile industry in the USA, most of the South's cotton and tobacco went to England's factories for textile production. "Cotton became known as “King Cotton” in the South, and the Southern United States became the chief cotton supplier in the 1800s. In 1860 alone, over 60 percent of American exports was raw cotton." Up until the 1840s there were few cotton mills in the USA, almost all raw cotton was exported to England. There were so few US mills that in 1850, ONE mill, Boston Manufacturing Company, was responsible for one fifth of the total US textile production. That's how small scale the US textile production was before the Civil War. By 1860 the South had become meaningless economically and politically to the USA.

1. I don't know where your information is from because you didnt leave a link.

2. That said I never claimed it was larger than the cotton industry itself, in fact you're the one who tried to paint slavery as a small part of American wealth and now you're here quoting information about the America South being the world's leading cotton supplier.

 

[Curried Goats]

There were states after the founding, but that has nothing to do with the discussion. Stop trying to divert the thread from your losing position. And your continual name calling of anyone who disagrees with you just makes you look infantile and stupid. Show some respect.

You're the one who keeps back peddling like a little bitch. All of a sudden slave cotton was King and States did exist.

 

[rightwinger]

The first AZ. audit had Dominion present, The Cyber Ninjas found 30 laws broken. Trump was defrauded. We will be hearing from Gov. Lake all about with the proof to back it up.

Even Cyber Ninja reported Trump lost by an even larger margin

 

[Cellblock2429]

I totally agree with this.....those on the left who demonize all Republicans and conservatives with the MAGA crowd are making a mistake..and alienating those whose support is crucial in getting rid of the MAGA/Trump/Q crowd.

MSN

More and more, liberals are attempting to cast all conservatives as enemies of democracy while simultaneously casting all of their political policies as pro-democracy. The consequences of this could be disastrous.
The most blatant example occurred during Joe Biden’s prime-time “Soul of America” speech earlier this month—a speech advertised as addressing conspiracy theories, political violence, and attempts to overthrow democracy.
In this context, Biden talked about how “MAGA forces are determined to take this country backwards,” before hastening to add, “Backwards to an America where there is no right to choose…” In one fell swoop, Biden conflated “MAGA Republicans” who deny elections and participate in insurrections with Reagan Republicans who care about the right to life of unborn babies. There is no comparison.
But it’s not just social issues that get you written out of polite society. Fiscal conservatives are also suspect. In a tweet sent on Friday, Biden wrote that “Republicans have pushed an ultra-MAGA agenda to: Threaten Social Security and Medicare…Raise taxes on working families [and] Give big corporations and billionaires tax breaks.” Axios’s Josh Kraushaar called this “Defining down ‘ultra MAGA’ and noted that “Under this standard, Liz Cheney would qualify.”
And Biden isn’t the only one guilty of this. This past week, New York magazine’s Jonathan Chait took to Twitter to remind us that during the Tea Party era, then-Rep. Ron Desantis wrote a book that Chait sees as a Rosetta Stone for decoding conservatism’s illiberal tendencies. After reading the book, Chait surmises that: “The Constitution’s role, as DeSantis sees it, is to prevent popular majorities from enacting the economic policies they want.”

Conservatives have long worried that “A democracy can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury”—a line sometimes apocryphally attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville. This is very similar to what DeSantis was saying. Indeed, most of the lines that trouble Chait are standard boilerplate conservative rhetoric.

This attitude is counterproductive on multiple levels. First, of course, it’s terrible (morally and politically) to dismiss approximately half the country.
Second, instead of rising to the occasion and giving America at least one responsible, normal, or decent party, Democrats are taking political advantage of what could be considered a perilous moment.
Rather than acknowledging that reasonable people can have honest disagreements about public policy questions such as abortion (which you should ostensibly do in a democracy), Democrats are attempting to baptize and sanctify their political preferences in the holy waters of American democracy, which is (to extend the religious metaphor) unseemly and sacrilegious.
Third, this practice will likely lead to more, not less, MAGA extremists (an outcome which ought not to shock members of a party that has spent tens of millions of dollars helping to boost MAGA candidates in Republican primaries).
People who feel threatened are more likely to retreat to their tribe for protection. By creating a scenario where even “normal” non-Trump Republicans feel victimized and shamed, liberals risk making the radicalization of conservatism a self-fulfilling prophecy
I’m not sure they even see that as a problem.

/——-/ But, everything democrats do is dumb and dangerous.

 

[Independent thinker]

I totally agree with this.....those on the left who demonize all Republicans and conservatives with the MAGA crowd are making a mistake..and alienating those whose support is crucial in getting rid of the MAGA/Trump/Q crowd.

MSN

More and more, liberals are attempting to cast all conservatives as enemies of democracy while simultaneously casting all of their political policies as pro-democracy. The consequences of this could be disastrous.
The most blatant example occurred during Joe Biden’s prime-time “Soul of America” speech earlier this month—a speech advertised as addressing conspiracy theories, political violence, and attempts to overthrow democracy.
In this context, Biden talked about how “MAGA forces are determined to take this country backwards,” before hastening to add, “Backwards to an America where there is no right to choose…” In one fell swoop, Biden conflated “MAGA Republicans” who deny elections and participate in insurrections with Reagan Republicans who care about the right to life of unborn babies. There is no comparison.
But it’s not just social issues that get you written out of polite society. Fiscal conservatives are also suspect. In a tweet sent on Friday, Biden wrote that “Republicans have pushed an ultra-MAGA agenda to: Threaten Social Security and Medicare…Raise taxes on working families [and] Give big corporations and billionaires tax breaks.” Axios’s Josh Kraushaar called this “Defining down ‘ultra MAGA’ and noted that “Under this standard, Liz Cheney would qualify.”
And Biden isn’t the only one guilty of this. This past week, New York magazine’s Jonathan Chait took to Twitter to remind us that during the Tea Party era, then-Rep. Ron Desantis wrote a book that Chait sees as a Rosetta Stone for decoding conservatism’s illiberal tendencies. After reading the book, Chait surmises that: “The Constitution’s role, as DeSantis sees it, is to prevent popular majorities from enacting the economic policies they want.”

Conservatives have long worried that “A democracy can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury”—a line sometimes apocryphally attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville. This is very similar to what DeSantis was saying. Indeed, most of the lines that trouble Chait are standard boilerplate conservative rhetoric.

This attitude is counterproductive on multiple levels. First, of course, it’s terrible (morally and politically) to dismiss approximately half the country.
Second, instead of rising to the occasion and giving America at least one responsible, normal, or decent party, Democrats are taking political advantage of what could be considered a perilous moment.
Rather than acknowledging that reasonable people can have honest disagreements about public policy questions such as abortion (which you should ostensibly do in a democracy), Democrats are attempting to baptize and sanctify their political preferences in the holy waters of American democracy, which is (to extend the religious metaphor) unseemly and sacrilegious.
Third, this practice will likely lead to more, not less, MAGA extremists (an outcome which ought not to shock members of a party that has spent tens of millions of dollars helping to boost MAGA candidates in Republican primaries).
People who feel threatened are more likely to retreat to their tribe for protection. By creating a scenario where even “normal” non-Trump Republicans feel victimized and shamed, liberals risk making the radicalization of conservatism a self-fulfilling prophecy
I’m not sure they even see that as a problem.

Say what you want but it has been working in raising Biden and Democrats up in the polls. Remember, party before country.

 

[Lastamender]

Even Cyber Ninja reported Trump lost by an even larger margin

Along with 30 broken laws. Remember trafficked and illegal ballots can be recounted as many times as you like. Wait for Lake. She will take care of it.

 

[rightwinger]

Along with 30 broken laws. Remember trafficked and illegal ballots can be recounted as many times as you like. Wait for Lake. She will take care of it.

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