It's Over. The Vaccines Have Failed.

[Rigby5]

Wrong, not everyone who has studied VEARS data has concluded that the mRNA shots are horrific. What kind of ignorant statement is that?! I could post many studies showing excellent results but why waste my time, you're just going to dismiss them as deep state lies, right?

No, you can not show any results showing excellent results after 6 months.
Everyone has said they don't work because they do not contain any pathogen, so have nothing for the immune system to remember.

Again, here is an example of a REAL study that shows these mRNA shots do not at all work.

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On COVID vaccines: why they cannot work, and irrefutable evidence of their causative role in deaths after vaccination​

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The evidence​

We herewith present scientific evidence that calls for an immediate stop of the use of gene-based COVID-19 vaccines. We first lay out why the agents cannot protect against viral infection. While no positive effects can be expected, we show that the vaccines can trigger self-destructive processes that lead to debilitating illness and death.

Why the vaccines cannot protect against infection​

A fundamental mistake underlying the development of the COVID-19 vaccines was to neglect the functional distinction between the two major categories of antibodies which the body produces in order to protect itself from pathogenic microbes.

The first category (secretory IgA) is produced by immune cells (lymphocytes) which are located directly underneath the mucous membranes that line the respiratory and intestinal tract. The antibodies produced by these lymphocytes are secreted through and to the surface of the mucous membranes. These antibodies are thus on site to meet air-borne viruses, and they may be able to prevent viral binding and infection of the cells.

The second category of antibodies (IgG and circulating IgA) occur in the bloodstream. These antibodies protect the internal organs of the body from infectious agents that try to spread via the bloodstream.

Vaccines that are injected into the muscle – i.e., the interior of the body – will only induce IgG and circulating IgA, not secretory IgA. Such antibodies cannot and will not effectively protect the mucous membranes from infection by SARS-CoV-2. Thus, the currently observed “breakthrough infections” among vaccinated individuals merely confirm the fundamental design flaws of the vaccines. Measurements of antibodies in the blood can never yield any information on the true status of immunity against infection of the respiratory tract.

The inability of vaccine-induced antibodies to prevent coronavirus infections has been reported in recent scientific publications.
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On COVID vaccines: why they cannot work, and irrefutable evidence of their causative role in deaths after vaccination

In this document, Dr. Bhakdi points out that the organization of the immune system itself will prevent any and all intramuscularly injected vaccines from reliably protecting the respiratory tract against infection; the COVID vaccines simply conform to this general rule. Dr. Burkhardt gives a...

doctors4covidethics.org

 

[eagle1462010]

Upgrades would be nice

Traditional would end our argument.

 

[Rigby5]

Upgrades would be nice

There is no point to upgrading an mRNA injection.
Since all they do is stimulate spike protein production on our own cells, and all the spike proteins have to be identical, there is no point in changing what spike protein the mRNA will cause to grow.
The corona virus has to always use the same spike protein because that is what our exosomes use, and what the ACE2 receptors open for.

 

[Slade3200]

No, you can not show any results showing excellent results after 6 months.

Whats wrong with showing excellent results for 6 months? That translates to thousands of saved lives.

 

[Slade3200]

Traditional would end our argument.

What do you think we are arguing about?

 

[eagle1462010]

Whats wrong with showing excellent results for 6 months? That translates to thousands of saved lives.

It prolongs the plannedemic.

Omicron is a weakened upper respiratory virus. If tradition holds the virus will weaken with time and it will become another cold form of corona. This being the 7th strain of corona.

 

[Slade3200]

It prolongs the plannedemic.

Omicron is a weakened upper respiratory virus. If tradition holds the virus will weaken with time and it will become another cold form of corona. This being the 7th strain of corona.

Good, time is our friend as you just described. Now we are dealing with less lethal strains and a better prepared medical care system

 

[eagle1462010]

What do you think we are arguing about?

The effectiveness of mRNA. I agree with Rigby on that.

Covaxin is a real vaccine. mRNA is a treatment that just pumps antibodies into the body. Doesnt train the ummune system. Allows you to still get the vurus and spread it. Which was known as a leaky vaccine before this BS. Leaky vaccines tend to prolong pandemics and cause even more variants. Some worse than doing nothing at all.

The spike proteins leave the injection site. And produce more spike proteins all over the body.

In time this will not be good. As you will know in the coming years.

 

[eagle1462010]

Good, time is our friend as you just described. Now we are dealing with less lethal strains and a better prepared medical care system

Lol. Dump the mRNA and go back to whole antigen vaccines. That will not cause the spikes to fuck some people up. Of course big Pharma will label everything long covid from now on.

 

[Slade3200]

The effectiveness of mRNA. I agree with Rigby on that.

Covaxin is a real vaccine. mRNA is a treatment that just pumps antibodies into the body. Doesnt train the ummune system. Allows you to still get the vurus and spread it. Which was known as a leaky vaccine before this BS. Leaky vaccines tend to prolong pandemics and cause even more variants. Some worse than doing nothing at all.

The spike proteins leave the injection site. And produce more spike proteins all over the body.

In time this will not be good. As you will know in the coming years.

When the vaccines came out the mRNA were in the 90% efficacy range. We had 1000+ people dying a day and overloaded hospitals. We needed them and they saved many many lives. The added antibodies lessened the severity of symptoms and the efficacy slowed spread right at a time when we needed it. I don't see how you can deny that.

 

[Slade3200]

Lol. Dump the mRNA and go back to whole antigen vaccines. That will not cause the spikes to fuck some people up. Of course big Pharma will label everything long covid from now on.

Dump mRNA and go with J&J is that would you'd do?

 

[eagle1462010]

Dump mRNA and go with J&J is that would you'd do?

No Covaxin from india. J & j use a spike protein too. Use a cold to sneak it in.

We were Not offered traditional vaccine

 

[Rigby5]

Whats wrong with showing excellent results for 6 months? That translates to thousands of saved lives.

Wrong.
All showing excellent results does is then provide new host to keep the epidemic from dying o

Good, time is our friend as you just described. Now we are dealing with less lethal strains and a better prepared medical care system

Time is NEVER your friend when it comes in an epidemic, because it is growing geometrically.
The correct responses are those that end it in the first month.
Which we could easily have done, with several different possible strategies.
Waiting for vaccines was itself totally and completely wrong, but since the vaccine only have a temporary 6 month, slight advantage, they are worse than nothing at all. They PREVENT permanent end, by not allowing herd immunity, because those coming down from the 6 month vaccine advantage do not have any sort of immunity, so will catch covid and keep it from dying out, as it should have, long ago.

 

[Slade3200]

Wrong.
All showing excellent results does is then provide new host to keep the epidemic from dying o


Time is NEVER your friend when it comes in an epidemic, because it is growing geometrically.
The correct responses are those that end it in the first month.
Which we could easily have done, with several different possible strategies.
Waiting for vaccines was itself totally and completely wrong, but since the vaccine only have a temporary 6 month, slight advantage, they are worse than nothing at all. They PREVENT permanent end, by not allowing herd immunity, because those coming down from the 6 month vaccine advantage do not have any sort of immunity, so will catch covid and keep it from dying out, as it should have, long ago.

The FACT that the current strain of COVID is less sever and less lethal than the first few strains is proof that time was our friend and the vaccines saved lives. That’s undeniable

 

[eagle1462010]

The FACT that the current strain of COVID is less sever and less lethal than the first few strains is proof that time was our friend and the vaccines saved lives. That’s undeniable

I disagree. I thini leaky vaccines prolonged this mess.

 

[Rigby5]

When the vaccines came out the mRNA were in the 90% efficacy range. We had 1000+ people dying a day and overloaded hospitals. We needed them and they saved many many lives. The added antibodies lessened the severity of symptoms and the efficacy slowed spread right at a time when we needed it. I don't see how you can deny that.

The mRNA never really had any efficacy at all, because they never caused any immunity memory.
They had some value as a treatment, but none as a vaccine.
And worse, they prevented recovery immunity.
They saved no lives at all, but were responsible for about half of the deaths, because it would have been long over if not for the fake promises of these fake vaccines.
Delaying serious infection is NOT at all an improvement because it makes for new hosts that can keep the infection from dying out.

 

[Rigby5]

Dump mRNA and go with J&J is that would you'd do?

No, the J&J does not have inert covid in it, but part of some other virus, so is useless also.
The immune system needs samples of the same virus you want it to trigger on later.

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The J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine contains a piece of a modified virus that is not the virus that causes COVID-19. This modified virus is called the vector virus. The vector virus cannot reproduce itself, so it cannot cause COVID-19. This vector virus gives instructions to cells in the body to create an immune response. This response helps protect you from getting sick with COVID-19 in the future. After the body produces an immune response, it gets rid of all of the vaccine ingredients just as it would discard any information that cells no longer need. This process is a part of normal body functioning.
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[Slade3200]

I disagree. I thini leaky vaccines prolonged this mess.

Would you rather a loved one catch the original strain or the most recent strain of COVID?

 

[Rigby5]

The FACT that the current strain of COVID is less sever and less lethal than the first few strains is proof that time was our friend and the vaccines saved lives. That’s undeniable

That is insane.
The fact all pathogens select for the least lethal variety, is not at all any advantage since we should have killed off any and all covid strains in the first month.
Stretching out the life span of a growing and expanding pathogen over a longer time period is NOT at all helpful, but greatly multiplies the final death total.

 

[Slade3200]

The mRNA never really had any efficacy at all, because they never caused any immunity memory.
They had some value as a treatment, but none as a vaccine.
And worse, they prevented recovery immunity.
They saved no lives at all, but were responsible for about half of the deaths, because it would have been long over if not for the fake promises of these fake vaccines.
Delaying serious infection is NOT at all an improvement because it makes for new hosts that can keep the infection from dying out.

Yes there was actual science that measured a 90+% efficacy for the first 6 months.