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And yet the Commandments set this day apart as something unique and different.
How is it so for you?
Basically, the command to observe Shabbos is right after the command to build the Temple.
The Sanhedrin then discussed whatever creative labor is necessary for designing and constructing the Temple and made those activities forbidden on Shabbos.
And yet the general commandMENT to build the temple does not exist, but the commandment to keep the sabbath does.
Ahhh....finally someone addresses the third-rail of Christendom.What do you Christians and Jews do to keep the Sabbath Holy?
Couple of things to straighten out before answering this, very good question...
1. When is the Sabbath
2. Define holy
This is a popular misunderstanding of Scripture at best and a lie from the pits of hell at worst.What do you Christians and Jews do to keep the Sabbath Holy?
There are different views but the Sabbath was a sign for Israel.
How is Jesus our Sabbath Rest?
What is the Sabbath day?
What day is the Sabbath, Saturday or Sunday? Do Christians have to observe the Sabbath day?
Does God require Sabbath-keeping of Christians?
Is working on Sunday a sin?
Why do Christians worship on Sunday?
The giving of the law to Israel was a special act. Just before He gave the law to Moses, God reminded His people that they are a kingdom of priests and a holy nation (Exodus 19:6). Among all nations on the face of the earth, it was to Israel that God specially revealed His law (Romans 9:4). The law was not intended to be a burden to the people but to be a tool through which the chosen nation would reveal to the masses the moral code that was the foundation of Gods government. Israel was to be a partner with God in the mission of universal evangelism, and Gods law was to be the identifying mark for Gods spokespersons.
What was cut off?This is a popular misunderstanding of Scripture at best and a lie from the pits of hell at worst.There are different views but the Sabbath was a sign for Israel.
How is Jesus our Sabbath Rest?
What is the Sabbath day?
What day is the Sabbath, Saturday or Sunday? Do Christians have to observe the Sabbath day?
Does God require Sabbath-keeping of Christians?
Is working on Sunday a sin?
Why do Christians worship on Sunday?
The giving of the law to Israel was a special act. Just before He gave the law to Moses, God reminded His people that they are a kingdom of priests and a holy nation (Exodus 19:6). Among all nations on the face of the earth, it was to Israel that God specially revealed His law (Romans 9:4). The law was not intended to be a burden to the people but to be a tool through which the chosen nation would reveal to the masses the moral code that was the foundation of Gods government. Israel was to be a partner with God in the mission of universal evangelism, and Gods law was to be the identifying mark for Gods spokespersons.
But they were cut off. They went into captivity a couple of times and now the Church is doing God's mission until God raptures the Christians and puts the Holy Spirit upon Jewish believers in the nation of Israel.
What does it mean that the church has been grafted in Israels place?
This is Christian theology and there are old testament references for this.
What was cut off?This is a popular misunderstanding of Scripture at best and a lie from the pits of hell at worst.
The giving of the law to Israel was a special act. Just before He gave the law to Moses, God reminded His people that they are a kingdom of priests and a holy nation (Exodus 19:6). Among all nations on the face of the earth, it was to Israel that God specially revealed His law (Romans 9:4). The law was not intended to be a burden to the people but to be a tool through which the chosen nation would reveal to the masses the moral code that was the foundation of Gods government. Israel was to be a partner with God in the mission of universal evangelism, and Gods law was to be the identifying mark for Gods spokespersons.
But they were cut off. They went into captivity a couple of times and now the Church is doing God's mission until God raptures the Christians and puts the Holy Spirit upon Jewish believers in the nation of Israel.
What does it mean that the church has been grafted in Israels place?
This is Christian theology and there are old testament references for this.
[MENTION=44368]Chuckt[/MENTION] , I don't think you read and/or didn't understand my passage. Did you read what I posted?
Question: "What does it mean that the church has been grafted in Israels place?"
Answer: In Romans 11:1124 Paul compares Israel to the natural branches of a cultivated olive tree and the Gentile believers to the branches of a wild olive tree. The natural branches (Israel) were broken off, and the wild branches (Gentiles) were grafted in (verse 17). The Gentiles, then, have been made partakers of the promises and inherit the blessings of Gods salvation.
What was cut off?This is a popular misunderstanding of Scripture at best and a lie from the pits of hell at worst.
The giving of the law to Israel was a special act. Just before He gave the law to Moses, God reminded His people that they are a kingdom of priests and a holy nation (Exodus 19:6). Among all nations on the face of the earth, it was to Israel that God specially revealed His law (Romans 9:4). The law was not intended to be a burden to the people but to be a tool through which the chosen nation would reveal to the masses the moral code that was the foundation of Gods government. Israel was to be a partner with God in the mission of universal evangelism, and Gods law was to be the identifying mark for Gods spokespersons.
But they were cut off. They went into captivity a couple of times and now the Church is doing God's mission until God raptures the Christians and puts the Holy Spirit upon Jewish believers in the nation of Israel.
What does it mean that the church has been grafted in Israels place?
This is Christian theology and there are old testament references for this.
[MENTION=44368]Chuckt[/MENTION] , I don't think you read and/or didn't understand my passage. Did you read what I posted?
OK, [MENTION=44368]Chuckt[/MENTION]
I remember now that there's no conversations w/you, just you posting your skewed beliefs no matter what's being discussed.
Have a nice day.
This explains how the Law was never JUST for the Israelites, it was for the entire world. Just like how salvation through Jesus Christ isn't JUST for Christians, it's for the entire world. Just like how the Israelites/Jews were to be a representative of God to the rest of the world, Christians are to be a representative of Jesus to the rest of the world. You are full aware of the principle that God is the same today, yesterday and tomorrow. So this should not be foreign to you.The giving of the law to Israel was a special act. Just before He gave the law to Moses, God reminded His people that they are a kingdom of priests and a holy nation (Exodus 19:6). Among all nations on the face of the earth, it was to Israel that God specially revealed His law (Romans 9:4). The law was not intended to be a burden to the people but to be a tool through which the chosen nation would reveal to the masses the moral code that was the foundation of Gods government. Israel was to be a partner with God in the mission of universal evangelism, and Gods law was to be the identifying mark for Gods spokespersons.
Yep, the whole "Rapture Doctrine" is another misunderstanding at best, and a lie straight from the pits of hell popular among some sects of radical Christians.until God raptures the Christians
No such doctrine exists, certainly not in the Bible.
A false doctrine called The Rapture developed about two hundred years ago among some eye rolling hand flapping tongue yapping British evangelists.
God/Jesus would very likely do exactly the same thing. Sadly, many of his followers will use the parade as an excuse to spread hate and fear.
If there really is a "god", he/she/it is very sad and ashamed of them.
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If Jesus did show up it would be for the sole purpose of spreading the Gospel message and calling for repentance for the sin of homosexuality.
But those two things cancel each other out -
Jesus preached love and tolerance and generosity of spirit. Besides, with all the very real horrors in this world, I'd hate to think Jesus would ignore all that suffering to go after a very tiny minority who really do very little harm in the world. That would be unbelievably petty.
And finally, I've read your posts. You're not a Christian. You're just like the other preachy haters here and among the least likely to know what Jesus thinks, does or would do. Indeed, I wonder if you hate mongers have any idea how repugnant it is you preach that you know more about Jesus than real Christians or others do.
Its people like you, gismo and the other holier than thou preachers that push people away from god.
Yep, the whole "Rapture Doctrine" is another misunderstanding at best, and a lie straight from the pits of hell popular among some sects of radical Christians.until God raptures the Christians
No such doctrine exists, certainly not in the Bible.
A false doctrine called The Rapture developed about two hundred years ago among some eye rolling hand flapping tongue yapping British evangelists.
It's not biblical whatsoever. No different than the "Prosperity Doctrine" that's popular among certain sects of Christians.
This is what I typed...
This explains how the Law was never JUST for the Israelites, it was for the entire world. Just like how salvation through Jesus Christ isn't JUST for Christians, it's for the entire world. Just like how the Israelites/Jews were to be a representative of God to the rest of the world, Christians are to be a representative of Jesus to the rest of the world. You are full aware of the principle that God is the same today, yesterday and tomorrow. So this should not be foreign to you.The giving of the law to Israel was a special act. Just before He gave the law to Moses, God reminded His people that they are a kingdom of priests and a holy nation (Exodus 19:6). Among all nations on the face of the earth, it was to Israel that God specially revealed His law (Romans 9:4). The law was not intended to be a burden to the people but to be a tool through which the chosen nation would reveal to the masses the moral code that was the foundation of Gods government. Israel was to be a partner with God in the mission of universal evangelism, and Gods law was to be the identifying mark for Gods spokespersons.
Additionally, it means that the Sabbath COULDN'T be just for the Jews, but the entire world. It was just their responsibility to be God's representative on earth of His will.
You're telling me you didn't understand that?
@Chuckt
This is what I typed...
This explains how the Law was never JUST for the Israelites, it was for the entire world. Just like how salvation through Jesus Christ isn't JUST for Christians, it's for the entire world. Just like how the Israelites/Jews were to be a representative of God to the rest of the world, Christians are to be a representative of Jesus to the rest of the world. You are full aware of the principle that God is the same today, yesterday and tomorrow. So this should not be foreign to you.The giving of the law to Israel was a special act. Just before He gave the law to Moses, God reminded His people that they are a kingdom of priests and a holy nation (Exodus 19:6). Among all nations on the face of the earth, it was to Israel that God specially revealed His law (Romans 9:4). The law was not intended to be a burden to the people but to be a tool through which the chosen nation would reveal to the masses the moral code that was the foundation of Gods government. Israel was to be a partner with God in the mission of universal evangelism, and Gods law was to be the identifying mark for Gods spokespersons.
Additionally, it means that the Sabbath COULDN'T be just for the Jews, but the entire world. It was just their responsibility to be God's representative on earth of His will.
You're telling me you didn't understand that?
[MENTION=44368]Chuckt[/MENTION]
Our Sabbatismos
Christians find complete Sabbath-like rest in Christ's finished work on the cross. Believers are to make every effort to enter that rest, which should be experienced "[t]oday every day for the Christian (Heb. 4.11 and Heb. 4.7). According to Andrew T. Lincoln, formerly a professor of New Testament at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, the author of Hebrews teaches that the New Covenant people of God discharge their duty of Sabbath observance [ ] by exercising faith; thus, believers cease from their own works so that God may work in them (213). The New Testament Sabbath rest is entered into daily by ceasing from ones "works" of trying to earn salvation though keeping the old covenant law. For Christians, the Sabbath is a Person; His name is Jesus Christ, our Sabbatismos.
New Covenant Sabbath Rest - Sabbatismos Ministries: Finding Our Rest in Christ
This is an interesting interpretation because they were confused and they thought that Jesus meant the Temple Mount when Jesus meant His body. The word Temple can refer to the Jewish Temple or His body according to the dictionary:
As for the ceremonial aspects of the Mosaic law, type met antitype in the coming of Jesus. For example, Carson writes that Jesus saw Himself as the focal point in redemptive history, for even the temple pointed to Him (70). In John 2:19, Jesus says, Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days, referring to his own body. In this sense, the temple does not now serve as the symbol of Christs mission; rather, it lived out its life as a pointer toward Christs mission (Carson 75). Kenneth E. Bailey, lecturer and emeritus research professor of Middle Eastern New Testament studies for the Tantur Ecumenical Institute writes, Throughout the New Testament there is witness to the astounding fact that a person had replaced a building (328). Similarly, in His atoning death on Calvary, Jesus is the Passover lamb (1 Cor. 5.7). Today, there are even a growing number of Christians who see Jesus as the fulfillment of the Sabbath commandment. Rather than being a moral obligation as the other nine commandments of the Decalogue, New Covenant Theology understands the Sabbath as foreshadowing the rest of grace found through saving faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus own words in Matthew 11:28 hint at this New Covenant reality: Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. As Jesus replaced the temple in which Israel worshiped, so, too, the Person of Christ both replaces and transcends a day of rest and worship. Carson explains that the Sabbath is another of the Old Testament pointers to the messianic rest (75). This conclusion agrees with Matthews fulfillment motifs. The gospel rest to which the Sabbath had always pointed appeared in the person of Jesus (Carson 75).
New Covenant Implications of the Transfiguration - Sabbatismos Ministries: Finding Our Rest in Christ
I've been trying to discover the difference between sabbaton and sabbatisimos. Sabbatisimos is basically a Greek suffix added to a Hebrew word and it only occurs once in Hebrews 4:9. I think it means a cessation. The Sabbath (sabbaton) is only a temporary cessation whereas our rest (sabbatisimos) is an eternal cessation.
There is a parallel between Hebrews 4:10 and Genesis 2:2-3 because God rested while Adam and Eve didn't perpetually rest isn't something a Sabbatarian thinks about. The rest of sabbatisimos speaks of another day or cessation.
1.) The word "rest" in v. 9 is not sabbaton, "Sabbath," but sabbatismos. Paul could have said "There remaineth the Sabbath to the people of God," but he said, under inspiration, "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God." The word sabbaton, Sabbath, is used 68 times in the New Testament. The Holy Spirit deliberately did NOT use that word here, because He intended to convey something different.
2.) The rest spoken of was not entered into by unsaved Jews who kept the Sabbath in the wilderness, v. 5, cf. Psalm 95:7-11. God swore in His wrath that they would not enter into His rest, Psalm 95:11, v. 5 (The "if they shall enter" in Hebrews 4:5 is an idiomatic way of saying "they shall not enter"; note the Hebrews 3:11 translates Greek identical to Hebrews 4:5 as "they shall not enter," etc.)
-Brother Daniel
Therefore it can't be exactly the same word.
This is a popular misunderstanding of Scripture at best and a lie from the pits of hell at worst.What do you Christians and Jews do to keep the Sabbath Holy?
There are different views but the Sabbath was a sign for Israel.
How is Jesus our Sabbath Rest?
What is the Sabbath day?
What day is the Sabbath, Saturday or Sunday? Do Christians have to observe the Sabbath day?
Does God require Sabbath-keeping of Christians?
Is working on Sunday a sin?
Why do Christians worship on Sunday?
The giving of the law to Israel was a special act. Just before He gave the law to Moses, God reminded His people that they are a kingdom of priests and a holy nation (Exodus 19:6). Among all nations on the face of the earth, it was to Israel that God specially revealed His law (Romans 9:4). The law was not intended to be a burden to the people but to be a tool through which the chosen nation would reveal to the masses the moral code that was the foundation of God’s government. Israel was to be a partner with God in the mission of universal evangelism, and God’s law was to be the identifying mark for God’s spokespersons.
There was no order from God for Noah to observe the Sabbath, according to the Word.
There was no observance of the Sabbath by the Patriarchs, according to the Word.
The Sabbath was not established by God for man until the Children of Israel left Egypt.
There was no order from the Jerusalem council for the Gentile converts to observe the Sabbath:
Acts 15:
28: For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29: That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Therefore, let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a sabbath. These are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. (Colossians 2:13-17)
Just as the sacrificial lamb was the foreshadow of the Lamb of God, so too is the Sabbath a foreshadow of the true rest in Christ Jesus our Lord.
So then, there remains a sabbath rest for the people of God; for whoever enters God's rest also ceases from his labors as God did from his. (Hebrews 4:9-10)
