Leftwing - Rightwing and the Political Axis

[westwall]

Wrong. If you are the next Isaac Newton you will know it. I actually know real geniuses. They are born, not made, and they know immediately who, and what they are. The problem with US schools is too much progressive indoctrination instead of actual real teaching, and a lack of resources for the average students. If you are a bad student, you get loads of help. If you are a great student you have doors open to you (my daughter is going to three different science camps this summer, we pay quite a bit for her to go to them, that way the kids that can't afford to go, can) but if you are an average student, you are basically screwed.

That much is very true. The educational system (run by progressives in almost every case) enforces mediocrity.

I am betting your daughter does not go to an inner city school. To compare what your daughter gets to other poorer schools is meaningless.

Correct, she doesn't. However, even in the inner city those students who are truly brilliant get the support they need.

clearly you have never spent anytime at those schools.

How wrong you are. My wife used to teach in one, and I used to go in and volunteer from time to time.

 

[Coyote]

Where are the libertarians?

They can be left or right or center, but under less authority?

That's why I think a linear left-right only axis doesn't work too well.

A libertarian can not be left lololol

Sure they can. Abortion, same sex marriage, legalization of drugs.

Those are not leftist principles. They are libertarian. Leftist principles advocate the divesting of property from the individual to the state.

This is why I call myself a liberal.

Liberal =/= Leftist

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I disagree, because you are still thinking of just a left-right axis. It isn't.

And yes, it IS a leftist principle. It's culturally liberal. What makes it libertarian is absence of authority mandating it.

 

[westwall]

I am not the only person in the world who can see the truth.

Not only are you not American, you are a colossal ass liar. No surprise the left wing attracts you so much. Chant, lie, chant, lie... not American.

I have provided support for the claims that I have made. All you people have provide are childish name calling and attacks.

Prove I am wrong about this topic or shut the hell up

All I am saying is that the metric for success cannot be social mobility because it is misleading, making the U.S. appear the NOT be the land of opportunity, when that is hardly in question. Because other nations have sucked donkey ass for generations and suddenly their people start to prosper financially does not mean that they are better off than Americans. It simply means that they have started their climb from the abyss of donkey assdome.

Does that make sense?

I just think that is a poor metric. America has kicked ass so long that we have reached a new level of ass kicking.

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I have never used it as a metric for success. All i have done is point out the fact that social mobility ain't great in this country as was stated by whomever it was that started this whole ball rolling.

As far as other countries, I do not think places like Sweden and Denmark and Norway suddenly had their people start to prosper financially. Seems they have been that way a while now, just like here.

Denmark has a population of 5 million ,and the government owns Royal Dutch Shell, one of the largest oil companies in the world. If it were maduro running the country it would be as broke as Venezuela is now, however, the rulers seem to care about their people so the socialized system they enjoy is funded by Royal Dutch Shell. Sweden is now running away from the socialist system they had been under. The same is happening in Norway.

You need to keep abreast of the changes going on in the world.

 

[Coyote]

I think most people are a mix - I am socially liberal, but more in the middle fiscally.

Agreed. Objectively one can be viewed in either camp, depending on issue

What humors me are those sorts that are so extreeme , the swing so far out they come full circle into the other extremes turf

Maybe there should be a 3rd catagory, right, left.....and out to lunch.....

~S~

You either DESPISE dimocrap scum

Or you're part of the problem

And that sentiment IS the problem.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

it IS a leftist principle.

= leftist immorality

 

[Mindful]

Your links were all about the "velocity" of change. Velocity is much harder in a developed country. EVERYONE is starting with a high standard of living. Like I said, it is a fact that the poorest of our citizens are living in the top 1% of the worlds population.

One more time, I am not talking about poor countries. That was one sentence out of one link that I gave. Move past it.

I am comparing our social mobility to that of other developed countries.

The countries of the EU are just as developed as we are.

There are NO controls on who can go where. There are in every country in Europe. In German (where I have the most knowledge) you are tested throughout your academic life. Finally, in the equivalent of middle school you take the test that determines the rest of your life. Score high and you get to go to college (and yes it is free to you) score low and you are sent to technical school. Score lower and you are tossed out of school altogether and must make your living as a laborer.

While this might keep some down, it also allows other to rise up above their starting station.

I am not saying it is a better system, just that it has it pluses and minuses.

In the US you could be the next Issac Newton but if you are in a shitty school system the world may never know.

You know, it is ok to admit that the US is not the best at everything and in everything...it does not mean you hate America.

The only way to make something better is to acknowledge it weaknesses

The countries of the EU are just as developed as you?

Or are you just as developed as they?

 

[Coyote]

it IS a leftist principle.

= leftist immorality

Rightist Disfunctionality.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Denmark has a population of 5 million ,and the government owns Royal Dutch Shell, one of the largest oil companies in the world. If it were maduro running the country it would be as broke as Venezuela is now, however, the rulers seem to care about their people so the socialized system they enjoy is funded by Royal Dutch Shell. Sweden is now running away from the socialist system they had been under. The same is happening in Norway.

You need to keep abreast of the changes going on in the world.

What the fuck does any of that have to do with social mobility?

can you not stay on topic for more than 3 post?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

it IS a leftist principle.

= leftist immorality

Rightist Disfunctionality.

The state of America BEGS to differ. The ONLY platform you people have is one of immorality

 

[Marion Morrison]

I am not the only person in the world who can see the truth.

Not only are you not American, you are a colossal ass liar. No surprise the left wing attracts you so much. Chant, lie, chant, lie... not American.

I have provided support for the claims that I have made. All you people have provide are childish name calling and attacks.

Prove I am wrong about this topic or shut the hell up

All I am saying is that the metric for success cannot be social mobility because it is misleading, making the U.S. appear the NOT be the land of opportunity, when that is hardly in question. Because other nations have sucked donkey ass for generations and suddenly their people start to prosper financially does not mean that they are better off than Americans. It simply means that they have started their climb from the abyss of donkey assdome.

Does that make sense?

I just think that is a poor metric. America has kicked ass so long that we have reached a new level of ass kicking.

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I have never used it as a metric for success. All i have done is point out the fact that social mobility ain't great in this country as was stated by whomever it was that started this whole ball rolling.

As far as other countries, I do not think places like Sweden and Denmark and Norway suddenly had their people start to prosper financially. Seems they have been that way a while now, just like here.

Denmark has a population of 5 million ,and the government owns Royal Dutch Shell, one of the largest oil companies in the world. If it were maduro running the country it would be as broke as Venezuela is now, however, the rulers seem to care about their people so the socialized system they enjoy is funded by Royal Dutch Shell. Sweden is now running away from the socialist system they had been under. The same is happening in Norway.

You need to keep abreast of the changes going on in the world.

No wonder my WW2 vet Normandy-beach storming uncle loved Shell so much!

I learned about all that from his nightmares when he fell asleep.

He told me he saw his buddie's leg get blown off right in front of him and he had to dive into a hole.

 

[westwall]

Denmark has a population of 5 million ,and the government owns Royal Dutch Shell, one of the largest oil companies in the world. If it were maduro running the country it would be as broke as Venezuela is now, however, the rulers seem to care about their people so the socialized system they enjoy is funded by Royal Dutch Shell. Sweden is now running away from the socialist system they had been under. The same is happening in Norway.

You need to keep abreast of the changes going on in the world.

What the fuck does any of that have to do with social mobility?

can you not stay on topic for more than 3 post?

You decided to trot them out as examples of European superiority. I pointed out that your assumption was wrong. How is that not pertaining to the discussion at hand?

 

[westwall]

Please folks, let us not devolve into name calling.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

You decided to trot them out as examples of European superiority. I pointed out that your assumption was wrong. How is that not pertaining to the discussion at hand?

are you fucking drunk?

I never said a goddamn thing about European superiority. Holy fuck dude, what the hell is wrong with you.

I pointed them out as counties that are just as developed as us, nothing more.

do you even know the difference between a developed nation and an emerging nation is?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Please folks, let us not devolve into name calling.

yes, let's just make up lies about people instead...that is so much fucking better.

 

[Coyote]

it IS a leftist principle.

= leftist immorality

Rightist Disfunctionality.

The state of America BEGS to differ. The ONLY platform you people have is one of immorality

You speak for the "state of America"?

What the fuck is morality Gramps? Is taking care of people, and loving your neighbor as you would yourself immoral?

Ya. It is according to the right.

 

[westwall]

You decided to trot them out as examples of European superiority. I pointed out that your assumption was wrong. How is that not pertaining to the discussion at hand?

are you fucking drunk?

I never said a goddamn thing about European superiority. Holy fuck dude, what the hell is wrong with you.

I pointed them out as counties that are just as developed as us, nothing more.

do you even know the difference between a developed nation and an emerging nation is?

And you didn't bother to learn the reason why. I pointed out to you why they are almost as developed as we are. One of my favorite ways to measure a country's development is the ready accessibility of public restrooms. Also the condition of those restrooms. Travel in Europe sometime. Then travel to any major city in the US and compare the differences.

 

[westwall]

Please folks, let us not devolve into name calling.

yes, let's just make up lies about people instead...that is so much fucking better.

That seems to be one of your favorite tactics. You also seem to like using the laughing emoji when you don't have an argument to counter a point. That is the mark of a troll. I am not calling you a troll, i am merely pointing out that you use the tactics of the troll when you begin to flail.

And, once again, let us keep this discussion civil.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

And you didn't bother to learn the reason why. I pointed out to you why they are almost as developed as we are. One of my favorite ways to measure a country's development is the ready accessibility of public restrooms. Also the condition of those restrooms. Travel in Europe sometime. Then travel to any major city in the US and compare the differences.

I would be willing to bet I have been to more countries than you.

 

[westwall]

And you didn't bother to learn the reason why. I pointed out to you why they are almost as developed as we are. One of my favorite ways to measure a country's development is the ready accessibility of public restrooms. Also the condition of those restrooms. Travel in Europe sometime. Then travel to any major city in the US and compare the differences.

I would be willing to bet I have been to more countries than you.

And you would lose.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Please folks, let us not devolve into name calling.

yes, let's just make up lies about people instead...that is so much fucking better.

That seems to be one of your favorite tactics. You also seem to like using the laughing emoji when you don't have an argument to counter a point. That is the mark of a troll. I am not calling you a troll, i am merely pointing out that you use the tactics of the troll when you begin to flail.

And, once again, let us keep this discussion civil.

you quit lying about me and I can be as civil as Jesus himself.