Leftwing - Rightwing and the Political Axis

[AzogtheDefiler]

One thing on the equal playing field...I can see the merits/deficits on both sides.

One the one side - everyone is giving the same playing field, the same set of rights and obligations. But on the other side, not everyone starts on the same line. Some start far behind others. So...the other side values equality of outcome.

Neither is better or worse, just different.

The difference between leftwing and rightwing in this context is rightwing is mobile. You can start at the bottom and reach the top, while those at the top can fall to the bottom. leftwing is regimented. Whatever level you were born into, you stay. There is no way to break into the upper echelons of power, or society. They are closed.

Unless you go into politics or get a Govt job

Oh horseshit, come on you are better than this. are you really going to claim that the only way to better yourself in this country is to get a Govt job?

I thought we were talking about Communist regimes?

Seems the topic of the thread is politics in the US

By left wing I thought he meant Communists. My bad.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Stalin was far-Right, just like Hitler was.

Stalin was very Nationalistic, and socially Conservative, by today's Western standards, especially.

He criminalized Gays, outlawed Abortion, targeted enemies of the state. etc. etc.

He was the ultimate cult of personality and banned religion. He was real “conservative”. LOL

You’re unemployed. Read a book.

Stalin was definitely more Right-Wing than Left-Wing.

Banning religion, and being against Capitalist hierarchy may have been the ONLY things Left-Wing about Stalin.

Ultimately he was on the Authoritarian Right-Wing,.
Stalin was a social-Conservative banning Abortion, and criminalizing Gays, and banning new forms of Music.

Stalin was a Nationalist in that Russians were the master race, targeted enemies of the state, supported Autarky, where everybody used Russian products only.

That’s like saying a Tiger is more like a dog than an elephant. He was a Communist. He had little in common with Capitalist factions.

Capitalism = Classical Liberalism / Neo Liberalism.
The first Leftists were also Capitalists.

??? Stalin had little in common with JFK and Ronald Reagan. Your analogies are odd.

Of course not, because JFK, and Ronald Reagan are Neo-Liberals.

It's called Neo-Liberalism for a reason.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The difference between leftwing and rightwing in this context is rightwing is mobile. You can start at the bottom and reach the top, while those at the top can fall to the bottom. leftwing is regimented. Whatever level you were born into, you stay. There is no way to break into the upper echelons of power, or society. They are closed.

Unless you go into politics or get a Govt job

Oh horseshit, come on you are better than this. are you really going to claim that the only way to better yourself in this country is to get a Govt job?

I thought we were talking about Communist regimes?

Seems the topic of the thread is politics in the US

By left wing I thought he meant Communists. My bad.

maybe I am wrong, I thought he was talking about the left wing in the US

 

[Olde Europe]

One thing on the equal playing field...I can see the merits/deficits on both sides.

One the one side - everyone is giving the same playing field, the same set of rights and obligations. But on the other side, not everyone starts on the same line. Some start far behind others. So...the other side values equality of outcome.

Neither is better or worse, just different.

Right-wingers are not, and have never been, in favor of a level playing field. Which is why you see them sternly insisting on a skewed playing field to remain skewed, ranging from gender equality to maintaining wealth and power disparities, and not ending with power disparities between labor / capital, consumer / capital, and so on. It plays out right up to the strongest players being bailed out in case of a crisis, homeowners holding the bag.

What is going on, really, is Republicans sticking with a playing field skewed in favor of their constituencies, whereas Liberals aren't for "equality of outcome" (which is just a propaganda slur), but actually in favor of leveling the playing field.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Unless you go into politics or get a Govt job

Oh horseshit, come on you are better than this. are you really going to claim that the only way to better yourself in this country is to get a Govt job?

I thought we were talking about Communist regimes?

Seems the topic of the thread is politics in the US

By left wing I thought he meant Communists. My bad.

maybe I am wrong, I thought he was talking about the left wing in the US

Since shortly after WW2, there is no real Right-Wing American party.

Social Liberalism & Neo Liberalism (Leftist) is what both American parties are now.

 

[Lewdog]

Oh horseshit, come on you are better than this. are you really going to claim that the only way to better yourself in this country is to get a Govt job?

I thought we were talking about Communist regimes?

Seems the topic of the thread is politics in the US

By left wing I thought he meant Communists. My bad.

maybe I am wrong, I thought he was talking about the left wing in the US

Since shortly after WW2, there is no real Right-Wing American party.

Social Liberalism & Neo Liberalism (Leftist) is what both American parties are now.

The Tea Party is the farthest right mainstream political party.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I thought we were talking about Communist regimes?

Seems the topic of the thread is politics in the US

By left wing I thought he meant Communists. My bad.

maybe I am wrong, I thought he was talking about the left wing in the US

Since shortly after WW2, there is no real Right-Wing American party.

Social Liberalism & Neo Liberalism (Leftist) is what both American parties are now.

The Tea Party is the farthest right mainstream political party.

No, the Libertarian party is, at least fiscally


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[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Seems the topic of the thread is politics in the US

By left wing I thought he meant Communists. My bad.

maybe I am wrong, I thought he was talking about the left wing in the US

Since shortly after WW2, there is no real Right-Wing American party.

Social Liberalism & Neo Liberalism (Leftist) is what both American parties are now.

The Tea Party is the farthest right mainstream political party.

No, the Libertarian party is, at least fiscally


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Not really, Libertarians are extreme Classical Liberals.

 

[Coyote]

westwall What defines them? I think it's misleading to look at it solely as defined by the absence or presence of government (or state).

Rightwing:
Individual Authority
Individual Liberty
Favoring Hierarchy
Socially Conservative
Nationalism
Anti-taxation
Equal playing field
Pro-Military
Traditional

Leftwing:
Collective Authority
Collective Liberty
Favoring Equality
Socially Liberal
Globalism
Social spending
Equal outcome
Anti-Military
Progressive

RIGHTWING
Individual Authority. Correct. The individual takes precedence over the collective.

Individual Liberty. Correct, the individual is free to do what they want, with who they want, when they want.

Rightwing doesn't favor hierarchy, it accepts that there needs to be some form of it, but begrudgingly.

Socially conservative is not rightwing, it is leftwing.

Nationalism is ultimately leftwing. Look at the way collectivist governments refer to their countries. Nazis called Germany the Fatherland, communists called Russia the Motherland. The ultimate form of rightwing is anarchy. There can be no nationalism when there is no nation.

Anti Taxation, yup. To a point.

Equal Playing Field, absolutely.

Pro-military, yes, but so are leftwing groups. After all, you need a strong military to subjugate your citizens. The difference is in a rightwing government military service is normally voluntary, in a leftwing government it is mandatory.

Traditional, true, for a leftwing government to survive it must first destroy the traditions that came before it so they can replace those traditions with their own.

I disagree - social conservatism and traditional values are absolutely rightwing, not left.

Nationalism is also rightwing vs. leftwing globalism (or internationalism).

It doesn't mean there isn't cross over - for example rightwing Nazi's and leftwing Stalinists employed many of the same tactics, so if you view it as not just economic left/right axis, but also social left/right and authority/less authority the extreme right (Nazi) and extreme left (Stalinist) authoritarian regimes are very similar.

Rightwing governments typically have mandatory military service but also typically glorify the military.

Define socially conservative.

Nationalism is leftwing. Globalism is merely a group of leftwing countries deciding to control everything, and everybody.

If they use the same tactics, they ARE the same. Your pointing out that Nazis were slightly less totalitarian than Stalinists only shows that they were still totalitarian, just a little nicer to the people they liked. But only a little.

Leftwing governments ALWAYS glorify the military.

First - define social conservative. Essentially, protecting the status quo. Protecting traditional culture, and what is accepted as traditional evolves. Liberals (leftists) push the social envelope, expanding what is defined as "us" - sometimes beyond what society can tolerate, but they push. Liberalism is increasing inclusiveness...Conservatism is protecting social exclusivism, protecting the more narrow definition of us. Social conservatism is what opposes homosexual rights and marriage for example, or the a more liberal and equal role for women, or a woman's rights to determine her own sexual agenda. Social conservatism carefully defines roles for men and women, respects authority and religion, traditional marriage and role models for children. Social conservatism is not necessarily bring me a sammich because the status quo that is being preserved as adopted a broader role for women in some respects. At least in the US. That's how I see it - this is my opinion only, but it's based on an interesting read I found:
The fundamentalist agenda

Definitions are definitions - we don't get to make up our own. Nationalism and Globalism (or Internationalism) have meanings and one entity can't really be both. I might be wrongly conflating Internationalism and Globalism, if so, I stand corrected.

Internationalism (associated with the left):
the principle of cooperation among nations, for the promotion of their common good, sometimesas contrasted with nationalism, or devotion to the interests of a particular nation.

Nationalism (associated with the right):
identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

Totalitarianism is not the pervue of only one ideology - left and right can both end in a totalitarian regime.

Leftism does not always end up in totalitarianism....if the right emphasizes the authority of the individual, and the left emphasizes the authority of the collective, then democracy itself, a collective endeavor is pretty leftist.

Leftist countries such as much of Europe are hardly totalitarian.

 

[Coyote]

westwall What defines them? I think it's misleading to look at it solely as defined by the absence or presence of government (or state).

Rightwing:
Individual Authority
Individual Liberty
Favoring Hierarchy
Socially Conservative
Nationalism
Anti-taxation
Equal playing field
Pro-Military
Traditional

Leftwing:
Collective Authority
Collective Liberty
Favoring Equality
Socially Liberal
Globalism
Social spending
Equal outcome
Anti-Military
Progressive

I am a social Liberal to a point where I believe you should enjoy life that does not harm another person especially children and the elderly...

I am a fiscal Conservative because I do not want to pay for your bad choices in life...

I do not believe military intervention will solve most arguments and should be the very last choice but too often is the first or second choice...

So where the hell do I fall on that list?

I think most people are a mix - I am socially liberal, but more in the middle fiscally.

As am I. I am a Classical Liberal. Whatever you want to do, with whomever you want to do it with is okay with me. Your Rights stop at my nose. I am however a little more socialist in terms of energy policy.

I always figured you to be socially liberal, and pretty much libertarian - is that accurate?

 

[Coyote]

westwall What defines them? I think it's misleading to look at it solely as defined by the absence or presence of government (or state).

Rightwing:
Individual Authority
Individual Liberty
Favoring Hierarchy
Socially Conservative
Nationalism
Anti-taxation
Equal playing field
Pro-Military
Traditional

Leftwing:
Collective Authority
Collective Liberty
Favoring Equality
Socially Liberal
Globalism
Social spending
Equal outcome
Anti-Military
Progressive

RIGHTWING
Individual Authority. Correct. The individual takes precedence over the collective.

Individual Liberty. Correct, the individual is free to do what they want, with who they want, when they want.

Rightwing doesn't favor hierarchy, it accepts that there needs to be some form of it, but begrudgingly.

Socially conservative is not rightwing, it is leftwing.

Nationalism is ultimately leftwing. Look at the way collectivist governments refer to their countries. Nazis called Germany the Fatherland, communists called Russia the Motherland. The ultimate form of rightwing is anarchy. There can be no nationalism when there is no nation.

Anti Taxation, yup. To a point.

Equal Playing Field, absolutely.

Pro-military, yes, but so are leftwing groups. After all, you need a strong military to subjugate your citizens. The difference is in a rightwing government military service is normally voluntary, in a leftwing government it is mandatory.

Traditional, true, for a leftwing government to survive it must first destroy the traditions that came before it so they can replace those traditions with their own.

I disagree - social conservatism and traditional values are absolutely rightwing, not left.

Nationalism is also rightwing vs. leftwing globalism (or internationalism).

It doesn't mean there isn't cross over - for example rightwing Nazi's and leftwing Stalinists employed many of the same tactics, so if you view it as not just economic left/right axis, but also social left/right and authority/less authority the extreme right (Nazi) and extreme left (Stalinist) authoritarian regimes are very similar.

Rightwing governments typically have mandatory military service but also typically glorify the military.

Yeah, those leftwinger's plan for the elderly is Soylent Green.

What is your fat to muscle ratio? Marbling? How would you be rated? We need to know...just for planning purposes you understand. Only theoretical.

 

[Coyote]

This thread is interesting and disturbing. People are people. I for one am a capitalist first and foremost. I don’t care if people are gay or straight but I dont want people telling what pronoun I may or may not use. What is disturbing is that we vilify those we disagree with and mostly from the Left. Calling people who dare disagree with them “racist, sexist, homophobes and Islamaphobes” when in reality we just disagree.

I further disagree that speech is violence. I am pro choice but understand the pro life argument. I think the 2nd amendment is outdated but understand why it is critical to many. I am Pro Israel and believe we are dangerously alienating ourselves from the only truly westernized nation in the Middle East. I don’t agree that people may change their genders and that there are more than two. I think the military is critical to prevent conflict not to just engage but also for innovation.

The reason that we are at such odds is because all we do and I at times am guilty of it, is label each other and vilify one another when we disagree.

Lastly, we have become way too PC. It is incredibly frustrating.

I kind of agree except I think you ignore the vilifying from the right - I see it all the time since I am on the left. For example - I disagree with Trump policies and I'm accused of Trump Derangement, or being a sore loser. How is that any different? I disagree with views on Muslims and I am called terrorist supporter and antisemite. How is that any different? Calling names ends discussion (and I am guilty of getting pissed off and doing that) - but it's hardly a one way street.

What is disturbing and different now is - we can't seem to disagree. People with whom we now disagree with don't just have a different viewpoint - they become enemies, traitors, evil, etc. That is new and disturbing to me.

 

[Coyote]

RIGHTWING
Individual Authority. Correct. The individual takes precedence over the collective.

Individual Liberty. Correct, the individual is free to do what they want, with who they want, when they want.

Rightwing doesn't favor hierarchy, it accepts that there needs to be some form of it, but begrudgingly.

Socially conservative is not rightwing, it is leftwing.

Nationalism is ultimately leftwing. Look at the way collectivist governments refer to their countries. Nazis called Germany the Fatherland, communists called Russia the Motherland. The ultimate form of rightwing is anarchy. There can be no nationalism when there is no nation.

Anti Taxation, yup. To a point.

Equal Playing Field, absolutely.

Pro-military, yes, but so are leftwing groups. After all, you need a strong military to subjugate your citizens. The difference is in a rightwing government military service is normally voluntary, in a leftwing government it is mandatory.

Traditional, true, for a leftwing government to survive it must first destroy the traditions that came before it so they can replace those traditions with their own.

I disagree - social conservatism and traditional values are absolutely rightwing, not left.

Nationalism is also rightwing vs. leftwing globalism (or internationalism).

It doesn't mean there isn't cross over - for example rightwing Nazi's and leftwing Stalinists employed many of the same tactics, so if you view it as not just economic left/right axis, but also social left/right and authority/less authority the extreme right (Nazi) and extreme left (Stalinist) authoritarian regimes are very similar.

Rightwing governments typically have mandatory military service but also typically glorify the military.

Your pointing out that Nazis were slightly less totalitarian than Stalinists only shows that they were still totalitarian, just a little nicer to the people they liked. But only a little.

Leftwing governments ALWAYS glorify the military.

Stalin was far-Right, just like Hitler was.

Stalin was very Nationalistic, and socially Conservative, by today's Western standards, especially.

He criminalized Gays, outlawed Abortion, targeted enemies of the state. etc. etc.

He was the ultimate cult of personality and banned religion. He was real “conservative”. LOL

You’re unemployed. Read a book.

Stalin was definitely more Right-Wing than Left-Wing.

Banning religion, and being against Capitalist hierarchy may have been the ONLY things Left-Wing about Stalin.

Ultimately he was on the Authoritarian Right-Wing,.
Stalin was a social-Conservative banning Abortion, and criminalizing Gays, and banning new forms of Music.

Stalin was a Nationalist in that Russians were the master race, targeted enemies of the state, supported Autarky, where everybody used Russian products only.

The problem is with creatures like Stalin and Hitler, their ideology really crossed political spectrums - it's hard to define them as just left or right, they are all over the place and in a category of their own. That's the issue with just a left right axis.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I disagree - social conservatism and traditional values are absolutely rightwing, not left.

Nationalism is also rightwing vs. leftwing globalism (or internationalism).

It doesn't mean there isn't cross over - for example rightwing Nazi's and leftwing Stalinists employed many of the same tactics, so if you view it as not just economic left/right axis, but also social left/right and authority/less authority the extreme right (Nazi) and extreme left (Stalinist) authoritarian regimes are very similar.

Rightwing governments typically have mandatory military service but also typically glorify the military.

Your pointing out that Nazis were slightly less totalitarian than Stalinists only shows that they were still totalitarian, just a little nicer to the people they liked. But only a little.

Leftwing governments ALWAYS glorify the military.

Stalin was far-Right, just like Hitler was.

Stalin was very Nationalistic, and socially Conservative, by today's Western standards, especially.

He criminalized Gays, outlawed Abortion, targeted enemies of the state. etc. etc.

He was the ultimate cult of personality and banned religion. He was real “conservative”. LOL

You’re unemployed. Read a book.

Stalin was definitely more Right-Wing than Left-Wing.

Banning religion, and being against Capitalist hierarchy may have been the ONLY things Left-Wing about Stalin.

Ultimately he was on the Authoritarian Right-Wing,.
Stalin was a social-Conservative banning Abortion, and criminalizing Gays, and banning new forms of Music.

Stalin was a Nationalist in that Russians were the master race, targeted enemies of the state, supported Autarky, where everybody used Russian products only.

The problem is with creatures like Stalin and Hitler, their ideology really crossed political spectrums - it's hard to define them as just left or right, they are all over the place and in a category of their own. That's the issue with just a left right axis.

The classical, or correct definitions put Hitler, and Stalin firmly into the Right-Wing.

Hierarchy (Check) One were German supremacists, the other Russian supremacists. In both cases enemies of the state were oppressed.

Nationalism (Check) Both supported the National security, of Autarky, or doing things the German, or Russian things without the foreigner intervention.

Authoritarianism (Check) Both were colossal Authoritarians, for massive law, order, regulation, banning etc.

Traditional values (Check) Both were against Abortion, and Gay rights.

The only problem is that Stalin was a little less Right-Wing than Hitler, because he was anti-Religious Traditional values, as opposed to Hitler who was pro-Religious Traditional values.

 

[Hum Dinger]

westwall What defines them? I think it's misleading to look at it solely as defined by the absence or presence of government (or state).

Rightwing:
Individual Authority
Individual Liberty
Favoring Hierarchy
Socially Conservative
Nationalism
Anti-taxation
Equal playing field
Pro-Military
Traditional

Leftwing:
Collective Authority
Collective Liberty
Favoring Equality
Socially Liberal
Globalism
Social spending
Equal outcome
Anti-Military
Progressive

You deserve the strawman award!

Try this:

Rightwing:
Authority by the wealthy
Liberty for the wealthy
Mobster Hierarchy
Pretends to be Socially Conservative, privately has no morals whatsoever
Pretends to be Nationalistic, invests globally
Anti-taxation - hey you got one!
Hierarchical society depending on wealth. Outcomes depend on wealth. Anti-equality. Needs to be the 'Big Shot' or they can't get laid.
Obsessively Pro-Military as long as some else's kids are dying
Traditionally no principals at all. Totally pragmatic and narcissistic.

Leftwing:
Collective Authority
Individual Liberty
Believes in Equality
Social individualism
Understands the need for Governments to regulate Globalism
Social spending only as needed. Believes that the private sector has responsibilities.
Equal opportunity
Judicious use of the Military
Progressive - believes in social, economic and intellectual evolution

 

[Marion Morrison]

westwall What defines them? I think it's misleading to look at it solely as defined by the absence or presence of government (or state).

Rightwing:
Individual Authority
Individual Liberty
Favoring Hierarchy
Socially Conservative
Nationalism
Anti-taxation
Equal playing field
Pro-Military
Traditional

Leftwing:
Collective Authority
Collective Liberty
Favoring Equality
Socially Liberal
Globalism
Social spending
Equal outcome
Anti-Military
Progressive

RIGHTWING
Individual Authority. Correct. The individual takes precedence over the collective.

Individual Liberty. Correct, the individual is free to do what they want, with who they want, when they want.

Rightwing doesn't favor hierarchy, it accepts that there needs to be some form of it, but begrudgingly.

Socially conservative is not rightwing, it is leftwing.

Nationalism is ultimately leftwing. Look at the way collectivist governments refer to their countries. Nazis called Germany the Fatherland, communists called Russia the Motherland. The ultimate form of rightwing is anarchy. There can be no nationalism when there is no nation.

Anti Taxation, yup. To a point.

Equal Playing Field, absolutely.

Pro-military, yes, but so are leftwing groups. After all, you need a strong military to subjugate your citizens. The difference is in a rightwing government military service is normally voluntary, in a leftwing government it is mandatory.

Traditional, true, for a leftwing government to survive it must first destroy the traditions that came before it so they can replace those traditions with their own.

I disagree - social conservatism and traditional values are absolutely rightwing, not left.

Nationalism is also rightwing vs. leftwing globalism (or internationalism).

It doesn't mean there isn't cross over - for example rightwing Nazi's and leftwing Stalinists employed many of the same tactics, so if you view it as not just economic left/right axis, but also social left/right and authority/less authority the extreme right (Nazi) and extreme left (Stalinist) authoritarian regimes are very similar.

Rightwing governments typically have mandatory military service but also typically glorify the military.

Yeah, those leftwinger's plan for the elderly is Soylent Green.

What is your fat to muscle ratio? Marbling? How would you be rated? We need to know...just for planning purposes you understand. Only theoretical.

I'm a tough old cracker, and you ain't right!

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

westwall What defines them? I think it's misleading to look at it solely as defined by the absence or presence of government (or state).

Rightwing:
Individual Authority
Individual Liberty
Favoring Hierarchy
Socially Conservative
Nationalism
Anti-taxation
Equal playing field
Pro-Military
Traditional

Leftwing:
Collective Authority
Collective Liberty
Favoring Equality
Socially Liberal
Globalism
Social spending
Equal outcome
Anti-Military
Progressive

I am a social Liberal to a point where I believe you should enjoy life that does not harm another person especially children and the elderly...

I am a fiscal Conservative because I do not want to pay for your bad choices in life...

I do not believe military intervention will solve most arguments and should be the very last choice but too often is the first or second choice...

So where the hell do I fall on that list?

I think most people are a mix - I am socially liberal, but more in the middle fiscally.

As am I. I am a Classical Liberal. Whatever you want to do, with whomever you want to do it with is okay with me. Your Rights stop at my nose. I am however a little more socialist in terms of energy policy.

I always figured you to be socially liberal, and pretty much libertarian - is that accurate?

I have to admit I am really not a capitalist when it come to energy and water...

I believe that those minerals and resources should not be in the private hands where it can be manipulated to hurt the consumer.

This is where I am more likely a socialist...

 

[Coyote]

westwall What defines them? I think it's misleading to look at it solely as defined by the absence or presence of government (or state).

Rightwing:
Individual Authority
Individual Liberty
Favoring Hierarchy
Socially Conservative
Nationalism
Anti-taxation
Equal playing field
Pro-Military
Traditional

Leftwing:
Collective Authority
Collective Liberty
Favoring Equality
Socially Liberal
Globalism
Social spending
Equal outcome
Anti-Military
Progressive

I am a social Liberal to a point where I believe you should enjoy life that does not harm another person especially children and the elderly...

I am a fiscal Conservative because I do not want to pay for your bad choices in life...

I do not believe military intervention will solve most arguments and should be the very last choice but too often is the first or second choice...

So where the hell do I fall on that list?

I think most people are a mix - I am socially liberal, but more in the middle fiscally.

As am I. I am a Classical Liberal. Whatever you want to do, with whomever you want to do it with is okay with me. Your Rights stop at my nose. I am however a little more socialist in terms of energy policy.

I always figured you to be socially liberal, and pretty much libertarian - is that accurate?

I have to admit I am really not a capitalist when it come to energy and water...

I believe that those minerals and resources should not be in the private hands where it can be manipulated to hurt the consumer.

This is where I am more likely a socialist...

I tend to feel that way, I don't feel all things should be privatized - environmental protection, education (in that there should always be a public school option), prisons and the social safetynet programs should not be. I also feel, more strongly now than before that access to affordable healthcare is a right. In those regards I'm pretty socialist.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

I am a social Liberal to a point where I believe you should enjoy life that does not harm another person especially children and the elderly...

I am a fiscal Conservative because I do not want to pay for your bad choices in life...

I do not believe military intervention will solve most arguments and should be the very last choice but too often is the first or second choice...

So where the hell do I fall on that list?

I think most people are a mix - I am socially liberal, but more in the middle fiscally.

As am I. I am a Classical Liberal. Whatever you want to do, with whomever you want to do it with is okay with me. Your Rights stop at my nose. I am however a little more socialist in terms of energy policy.

I always figured you to be socially liberal, and pretty much libertarian - is that accurate?

I have to admit I am really not a capitalist when it come to energy and water...

I believe that those minerals and resources should not be in the private hands where it can be manipulated to hurt the consumer.

This is where I am more likely a socialist...

I tend to feel that way, I don't feel all things should be privatized - environmental protection, education (in that there should always be a public school option), prisons and the social safetynet programs should not be. I also feel, more strongly now than before that access to affordable healthcare is a right. In those regards I'm pretty socialist.

Healthcare could have been fixed simpler and better had Obama, Reid and Pelosi dusted off the Nixon/Kennedy plan and passed it and not sold America Romney-care...

Just my opinion...

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

I think most people are a mix - I am socially liberal, but more in the middle fiscally.

As am I. I am a Classical Liberal. Whatever you want to do, with whomever you want to do it with is okay with me. Your Rights stop at my nose. I am however a little more socialist in terms of energy policy.

I always figured you to be socially liberal, and pretty much libertarian - is that accurate?

I have to admit I am really not a capitalist when it come to energy and water...

I believe that those minerals and resources should not be in the private hands where it can be manipulated to hurt the consumer.

This is where I am more likely a socialist...

I tend to feel that way, I don't feel all things should be privatized - environmental protection, education (in that there should always be a public school option), prisons and the social safetynet programs should not be. I also feel, more strongly now than before that access to affordable healthcare is a right. In those regards I'm pretty socialist.

Healthcare could have been fixed simpler and better had Obama, Reid and Pelosi dusted off the Nixon/Kennedy plan and passed it and not sold America Romney-care...

Just my opinion...

As for schools I am more for the voucher system and letting parents pick as long as the Education being taught meet a minimum standard that should be higher than what is taught now...