Let the nation default?

Should Republicans let the nation default if Democrats refuse to negotiate?

  • Yes, if the Dems won't talk, we should default.

    Votes: 30 47.6%
  • No, we should never default on our debt.

    Votes: 33 52.4%

  • Total voters
    63
Again - from 2006:

In 2006, while serving his first term as a freshman U.S. senator from Illinois, Barack Obama made the remarks attributed to him above during discussion in the U.S. Senate prior to the call for votes on raising the debt limit.

The full text of his remarks in the Senate on 16 March 2006 are:
Mr. President, I rise today to talk about America's debt problem.

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies.

Over the past 5 years, our federal debt has increased by $3.5 trillion to $8.6 trillion. That is "trillion" with a "T." That is money that we have borrowed from the Social Security trust fund, borrowed from China and Japan, borrowed from American taxpayers. And over the next 5 years, between now and 2011, the President's budget will increase the debt by almost another $3.5 trillion.

Numbers that large are sometimes hard to understand. Some people may wonder why they matter. Here is why: This year, the Federal Government will spend $220 billion on interest. That is more money to pay interest on our national debt than we'll spend on Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program. That is more money to pay interest on our debt this year than we will spend on education, homeland security, transportation, and veterans benefits combined. It is more money in one year than we are likely to spend to rebuild the devastated gulf coast in a way that honors the best of America.

And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like
bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on. Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America's priorities. Instead, interest payments are a significant tax on all Americans — a debt tax that Washington doesn't want to talk about. If Washington were serious about honest tax relief in this country, we would see an effort to reduce our national debt by returning to responsible fiscal policies.


But we are not doing that. Despite repeated efforts by Senators Conrad and Feingold, the Senate continues to reject a return to the commonsense Pay-go rules that used to apply. Previously, Pay-go rules applied both to increases in mandatory spending and to tax cuts. The Senate had to abide by the commonsense budgeting principle of balancing expenses and revenues. Unfortunately, the principle was abandoned, and now the demands of budget discipline apply only to spending. As a result, tax breaks have not been paid for by reductions in Federal spending, and thus the only way to pay for them has been to increase our deficit to historically high levels and borrow more and more money. Now we have to pay for those tax breaks plus the cost of borrowing for them. Instead of reducing the deficit, as some people claimed, the fiscal policies of this administration and its allies in Congress will add more than $600 million in debt for each of the next 5 years. That is why I will once again cosponsor the Pay-go amendment and continue to hope that my colleagues will return to a smart rule that has worked in the past and can work again.

Our debt also matters internationally. My friend, the ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, likes to remind us that it took 42 Presidents 224 years to run up only $1 trillion of foreign-held debt. This administration did more than that in just 5 years. Now, there is nothing wrong with borrowing from foreign countries. But we must remember that the more we depend on foreign nations to lend us money, the more our economic security is tied to the whims of foreign leaders whose interests might not be aligned with ours.

Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that "the buck stops here.'' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit.


Again - How quickly the liberals forget and forgive..............
 
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The DEFAULT is a LIE. The Treasury takes in quite enough to service the debt and pay necessary functions of government.

Don't be fooled.

Sure, the gov't could pay bondholders. Paying for social security checks or, say, an army also would be the problem. 'Course, the idea that not raising the debt limit would be a disaster is only the opinion of economists and business leaders and commies like krauthammer. Who are they compared to a pink Glenn Beck fan?

^^^Psychobabble

IN YOUR HONOR:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDXa4FkAw-4"]Alan Parsons Project - Psychobabble - YouTube[/ame]

Debt Limit: Options and the Way Forward

Spending CUTS also have to happen...

OBAMA wants unlimited funding. NOT gonna happen.
 
I'm going to be bummed if we don't default. I mean, I fired the Republican party 3 years ago and was thinking they could win me back. I want to see all the losers that depend on the government dime get if broke off in their arse. Then when they come crying and are desperate I will present the business end of a weapon of my choice.

It's all about consequences

-Geaux
 
I'm going to be bummed if we don't default. I mean, I fired the Republican party 3 years ago and was thinking they could win me back. I want to see all the losers that depend on the government dime get if broke off in their arse. Then when they come crying and are desperate I will present the business end of a weapon of my choice.

It's all about consequences

-Geaux

Ah yes, the beer-bellied, cyber-space geezer, badass element. John Wayne don't need no stinking government. Getting past all these Hondos driving on gov't roads and drying their combovers with electricity from gov't dams and eating hamburgers inspected by gov't agencies, they'd be the first ones squealing for help without a gov't to make sure Rogaine didn't grow hair on their palms and Viagra make their heads harder.

As for your fantasy of breaking things off in peoples' arses, well, to each his own.

Curious..How do you feel about the Supreme Leader's opposition to raising the debt limit in 2006 yet his royal highness has been "all in" from the day HE became the King....

so when Bush did it, it was HORRIBLE...yet when Barry does it, it is a "necessity".

hypocritical ass holes.
 
I'm going to be bummed if we don't default. I mean, I fired the Republican party 3 years ago and was thinking they could win me back. I want to see all the losers that depend on the government dime get if broke off in their arse. Then when they come crying and are desperate I will present the business end of a weapon of my choice.

It's all about consequences

-Geaux

Ah yes, the beer-bellied, cyber-space geezer, badass element. John Wayne don't need no stinking government. Getting past all these Hondos driving on gov't roads and drying their combovers with electricity from gov't dams and eating hamburgers inspected by gov't agents, they'd be the first ones squealing for help without a gov't to make sure Rogaine didn't grow hair on their palms and Viagra make their heads harder.

As for your fantasy of breaking things off in peoples' arses, well, to each his own.

But what does that have to do with the 51% of Americans that voted for handouts? The 51% that would rather ride in the cart than pull it?

_geaux
 
I'm going to be bummed if we don't default. I mean, I fired the Republican party 3 years ago and was thinking they could win me back. I want to see all the losers that depend on the government dime get if broke off in their arse. Then when they come crying and are desperate I will present the business end of a weapon of my choice.

It's all about consequences

-Geaux

Ah yes, the beer-bellied, cyber-space geezer, badass element. John Wayne don't need no stinking government. Getting past all these Hondos driving on gov't roads and drying their combovers with electricity from gov't dams and eating hamburgers inspected by gov't agents, they'd be the first ones squealing for help without a gov't to make sure Rogaine didn't grow hair on their palms and Viagra make their heads harder.

As for your fantasy of breaking things off in peoples' arses, well, to each his own.

But what does that have to do with the 51% of Americans that voted for handouts? The 51% that would rather ride in the cart than pull it?

_geaux
And then BITCH and MOAN when it doesn't move...to their liking. Fuck the moochers.
 
Again - from 2006:

In 2006, while serving his first term as a freshman U.S. senator from Illinois, Barack Obama made the remarks attributed to him above during discussion in the U.S. Senate prior to the call for votes on raising the debt limit.

The full text of his remarks in the Senate on 16 March 2006 are:
Mr. President, I rise today to talk about America's debt problem.

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies.

Over the past 5 years, our federal debt has increased by $3.5 trillion to $8.6 trillion. That is "trillion" with a "T." That is money that we have borrowed from the Social Security trust fund, borrowed from China and Japan, borrowed from American taxpayers. And over the next 5 years, between now and 2011, the President's budget will increase the debt by almost another $3.5 trillion.

Numbers that large are sometimes hard to understand. Some people may wonder why they matter. Here is why: This year, the Federal Government will spend $220 billion on interest. That is more money to pay interest on our national debt than we'll spend on Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program. That is more money to pay interest on our debt this year than we will spend on education, homeland security, transportation, and veterans benefits combined. It is more money in one year than we are likely to spend to rebuild the devastated gulf coast in a way that honors the best of America.

And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like
bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on. Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America's priorities. Instead, interest payments are a significant tax on all Americans — a debt tax that Washington doesn't want to talk about. If Washington were serious about honest tax relief in this country, we would see an effort to reduce our national debt by returning to responsible fiscal policies.


But we are not doing that. Despite repeated efforts by Senators Conrad and Feingold, the Senate continues to reject a return to the commonsense Pay-go rules that used to apply. Previously, Pay-go rules applied both to increases in mandatory spending and to tax cuts. The Senate had to abide by the commonsense budgeting principle of balancing expenses and revenues. Unfortunately, the principle was abandoned, and now the demands of budget discipline apply only to spending. As a result, tax breaks have not been paid for by reductions in Federal spending, and thus the only way to pay for them has been to increase our deficit to historically high levels and borrow more and more money. Now we have to pay for those tax breaks plus the cost of borrowing for them. Instead of reducing the deficit, as some people claimed, the fiscal policies of this administration and its allies in Congress will add more than $600 million in debt for each of the next 5 years. That is why I will once again cosponsor the Pay-go amendment and continue to hope that my colleagues will return to a smart rule that has worked in the past and can work again.

Our debt also matters internationally. My friend, the ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, likes to remind us that it took 42 Presidents 224 years to run up only $1 trillion of foreign-held debt. This administration did more than that in just 5 years. Now, there is nothing wrong with borrowing from foreign countries. But we must remember that the more we depend on foreign nations to lend us money, the more our economic security is tied to the whims of foreign leaders whose interests might not be aligned with ours.

Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that "the buck stops here.'' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit.


Again - How quickly the liberals forget and forgive..............

The President and John Boehner agreed on budget that reduced the deficit by $4T over the next 10 years. The Tea Party then forced Boehner to reject that deal.

There certainly is a failure of leadership - a failure of John Boehner as the leader of the House Republicans.

If the Tea Party really wanted deficit reduction, they would have accepted that deal. But they don't want deficit reduction. They just want continued political talking points.

BTW, it's Congress that determines the deficit, not the President. All the Repugs need to do, if they really want to reduce the deficit is to come up with a budget that is near to being reasonable to the President and the Senate. From there they can negoiate - the way that it's always been done.

Instead the Tea Party & Repugs keep making proposals knowing that there is no way in hell the President or the Senate will agree - and constantly create these political crisis's.

It's those political crisis's that are the real goal of the Tea Party - not deficit reduction.
 
But what does that have to do with the 51% of Americans that voted for handouts? The 51% that would rather ride in the cart than pull it?

_geaux
And then BITCH and MOAN when it doesn't move...to their liking. Fuck the moochers.

Fuck whiny, hypocritical takers like you.

You lost. Get over it.

WRONG ANSWER dipshit. I am a producer...I contribute to society. YOU have no clue. What's the matter? Didn't you get a recharge on your card courtesy of ME this month? It is YOU that needs to get over it.
 
And then BITCH and MOAN when it doesn't move...to their liking. Fuck the moochers.

Fuck whiny, hypocritical takers like you.

You lost. Get over it.

Usual TBagger eloquence, dear. What is it exactly you think I lost? Your ability to hiss and spit impotence?

Eloquence? You bet...and brute force from a producer that helps pay OUR bills. And YES...FUCK the moochers. Get a job...Oh? Can't? Maybe you can't because Obama and the Democrats are destroying the private sector? MAYBE?

*IDIOT*
 
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Usual TBagger eloquence, dear. What is it exactly you think I lost? Your ability to hiss and spit impotence?

Eloquence? You bet...and brute force from a producer that helps pay OUR bills. And YES...FUCK the moochers. Get a job...Oh? Can't? Maybe you can't because Obama and the Democrats are destroying the private sector? MAYBE?

*IDIOT*

I'm going to eat some supper and then start drinking. Don't let that interrupt your tantrum/rant, though. You go right on. I'll be back before you can say, "I've been Hannitized!"

No tantrum or rant, BUB. Only the truth as it smacks YOU right upside your head.

Now be gone and enjoy your repast courtesy of ME, and other taxpayers.

*IDIOT*
 
Maybe you can't because Obama and the Democrats are destroying the private sector? MAYBE?

*IDIOT*

The evidence of which is what, exactly?

Consider eschewing a Stuart Varney inspired rant in favor of some verifiable indications....
 
Maybe you can't because Obama and the Democrats are destroying the private sector? MAYBE?

*IDIOT*

The evidence of which is what, exactly?

Consider eschewing a Stuart Varney inspired rant in favor of some verifiable indications....

Maybe it's the record business profits? I'm not real good at TBagger logic.

I'm not sure you are capable of logic regardless of category

-Geaux
 
We should never default on our debt under any circumstances. Our credit rating is sacrosanct. It is not a toy or a political wedge. We shouldn't even be discussing it much less threatening it or claiming the other side is threatening it. If we had a leader instead of a demagogue he would be saying this.
 
Maybe you can't because Obama and the Democrats are destroying the private sector? MAYBE?

*IDIOT*

The evidence of which is what, exactly?

Consider eschewing a Stuart Varney inspired rant in favor of some verifiable indications....

Seen unemployment, and 7 out of 10 jobs created are PART TIME?

The new standard by Obama and OCare is 30 hours...

WAKE UP.
 
Maybe you can't because Obama and the Democrats are destroying the private sector? MAYBE?

*IDIOT*

The evidence of which is what, exactly?

Consider eschewing a Stuart Varney inspired rant in favor of some verifiable indications....

Seen unemployment, and 7 out of 10 jobs created are PART TIME?

The new standard by Obama and OCare is 30 hours...

WAKE UP.

Yeah.....Unemployment is down 12% from where it was in Feb. 2009.....the economy has been generating an average of 2 million jobs per year since ACA was passed...

There are 1 million FEWER people working part time for economic reasons.

Try to pry your head from Neil Cavuto's rump....
 
Small Businesses Have Seen Increased Hiring As Economy Improves; Employers Show Few Signs Of Reducing Work Force Due To The ACA

USA Today: The Individual Mandate For Businesses To Provide Coverage Has Not Deterred Hiring.

Federal Reserve Bank Of Minneapolis Study: 89 Percent Of Individuals Surveyed Said Their Companies Did Not Plan To Cut Hours For Employees.
 
The evidence of which is what, exactly?

Consider eschewing a Stuart Varney inspired rant in favor of some verifiable indications....

Seen unemployment, and 7 out of 10 jobs created are PART TIME?

The new standard by Obama and OCare is 30 hours...

WAKE UP.

Yeah.....Unemployment is down 12% from where it was in Feb. 2009.....the economy has been generating an average of 2 million jobs per year since ACA was passed...

There are 1 million FEWER people working part time for economic reasons.

Try to pry your head from Neil Cavuto's rump....

Only ONE million? Really?

Wanna recheck that figure, and PROVIDE A LINK?
 
According to a July 2013 study by the Center for Economic and Policy Research, an analysis of the Current Population Survey shows that only 0.6 percent of the workforce is currently working just under the 30 hour cutoff for a full-time employee, suggesting "that employers do not appear to be changing hours in large numbers in response to the sanctions in the ACA."

Federal Reserve Bank Of San Francisco Study: Any Effect ACA Has On Reduced Hours For Workers Is "Likely To Be Small."
 

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