Lets stop calling them terrorist attacks

And the entire Northern Ireland conflict was Christian terrorism. As were Timothy McVeigh, and all the abortion clinic bombings and murders, and the attack on the black church in Charleston last year...

Damn Christian terrorists.

The real reason so many in the US want to couch this as 'Muslim' is because they want to feel good about their own religion. Isis no more are 'Muslims' than Eric Rudolph is a 'Christian'.

You can call yourself anything you like. If you don't follow the faith, you are a liar that likes to kill people and use the faith to justify it. Which is something all religion has been used for for millenium.


Actually, no....again...which part of Christianity doesn't allow murder, do you guys fail to get? Islam not only permits murder, it preaches it.....

Ponderous...the bible is full of passages on killing people or enslaving them. Thankfully most Christians ignore most of the bible, as do most Muslims ignore most of the Koran. Otherwise the human population would be reduced to what is on Guam.

This is what I don't like, the lying from Christians who need to believe their religion is just dripping with golden honey goodness. Sorry, the bible isn't.


Not in the part with Jesus......different time periods and Christians follow the word of Jesus.....

Again...please list all of the quotes of Jesus ordering his disciples to commit murder against unbelievers........or other Christians....

We Christians are patient...we will wait while you try to find them.....

We won't have to wait very long for Islamic commands for murder though....

Hmm where could you find such a 'complete list'. Other than a thousand threads here or ten million websites.

If you need your delusions, do not go look. If you want to know reality, the answers are out there.

 
The logic of the OP didn't say a thing about motivation. But numbers:

Almost all terrorist attacks are commited by men. Why don't we call them 'Male Attacks'? It would certainly be consistent with the logic of the OP
Referring to it as Islamic terror covers the issues perfectly adequately, IMHO, without needing to specify the gender. I'm sure the OP won't mind that my view on this doesn't mirror theirs precisely, lol.

Wouldn't calling it Theistic terror cover it just as thoroughly? You'd get the Christians and Hindus too.


Except Christians and Hindus aren't committing terrorist acts....

So the 37 people that were killed and the 125 injured in the 2006 Malegaon bombings....that didn't happen? Neither did the 2007 Samjhauta Express bombings, their 68 dead with 50 injured, huh? The 16 dead in the
Mecca Masjid bombing are still perfectly fine? And how many did the Lord's Resistence army kill? How many were shot by militant Christian Robert Lewis Dear?

Theistic Terrorism wraps it all in a bow and meets every standard of the OP.

There is nothing in Christian teaching that tells it's followers to murder other people......not one thing.

I guess the 'Army of God' didn't get that when they bombed the 96 Olympics.


Again....what part of Christianity tells it's followers to murder innocent people....please site the biblical reference of Jesus ordering his followers to do any of those things....

'Murder' according to who? 'Innocent people' according to who? The body count of Christians historically is quite epic. Wars, forced conversions, carpet bombing, atomic weapons, the works. And they all had their theistic loopholes.

Everyone is the hero of their own story. And the Bible has plenty of slaughter to choose from. The Amalekites come to mind. Slaughtered down to the 'infants in their cribs'.

But per the people that didn't it wasn't 'murder'. Nor were they 'innocent'.

Why not 'Theistic Terrorism'? It covers a larger group that the OP acknowledges, meets all the OP"s standards, and covers motivation.
 
And the entire Northern Ireland conflict was Christian terrorism. As were Timothy McVeigh, and all the abortion clinic bombings and murders, and the attack on the black church in Charleston last year...

Damn Christian terrorists.

The real reason so many in the US want to couch this as 'Muslim' is because they want to feel good about their own religion. Isis no more are 'Muslims' than Eric Rudolph is a 'Christian'.

You can call yourself anything you like. If you don't follow the faith, you are a liar that likes to kill people and use the faith to justify it. Which is something all religion has been used for for millenium.


Actually, no....again...which part of Christianity doesn't allow murder, do you guys fail to get? Islam not only permits murder, it preaches it.....

Ponderous...the bible is full of passages on killing people or enslaving them. Thankfully most Christians ignore most of the bible, as do most Muslims ignore most of the Koran. Otherwise the human population would be reduced to what is on Guam.

This is what I don't like, the lying from Christians who need to believe their religion is just dripping with golden honey goodness. Sorry, the bible isn't.


Not in the part with Jesus......different time periods and Christians follow the word of Jesus.....

Again...please list all of the quotes of Jesus ordering his disciples to commit murder against unbelievers........or other Christians....

We Christians are patient...we will wait while you try to find them.....

We won't have to wait very long for Islamic commands for murder though....

Hmm where could you find such a 'complete list'. Other than a thousand threads here or ten million websites.

If you need your delusions, do not go look. If you want to know reality, the answers are out there.




Yeah.....that isn't exactly telling us where Jesus ordered his followers to commit murder...is it.....

So I will keep waiting....

However.......how many passages in the Islamic text order murder....

The Quran's Verses of Violence
 
Remember, the 10 Commandments...those the Christians follow, state that committing evil in God's name is the one sin God will not forgive.

Evil....according to who? That's the problem with a 'No True Scotsman' fallacy.


No....it is pretty well defined, especially in this thread. Committing murder is a sin, and it is evil....there is no sanction for murder coming from Jesus...can you point out where he commanded it?

So if you're fighting in a war and kill someone.....straight to hell then?
 
How would we teach about the history of Ireland, or the American South, for that matter?
 
Referring to it as Islamic terror covers the issues perfectly adequately, IMHO, without needing to specify the gender. I'm sure the OP won't mind that my view on this doesn't mirror theirs precisely, lol.

Wouldn't calling it Theistic terror cover it just as thoroughly? You'd get the Christians and Hindus too.


Except Christians and Hindus aren't committing terrorist acts....

So the 37 people that were killed and the 125 injured in the 2006 Malegaon bombings....that didn't happen? Neither did the 2007 Samjhauta Express bombings, their 68 dead with 50 injured, huh? The 16 dead in the
Mecca Masjid bombing are still perfectly fine? And how many did the Lord's Resistence army kill? How many were shot by militant Christian Robert Lewis Dear?

Theistic Terrorism wraps it all in a bow and meets every standard of the OP.

There is nothing in Christian teaching that tells it's followers to murder other people......not one thing.

I guess the 'Army of God' didn't get that when they bombed the 96 Olympics.


Again....what part of Christianity tells it's followers to murder innocent people....please site the biblical reference of Jesus ordering his followers to do any of those things....

'Murder' according to who? 'Innocent people' according to who? The body count of Christians historically is quite epic. Wars, forced conversions, carpet bombing, atomic weapons, the works. And they all had their theistic loopholes.

Everyone is the hero of their own story. And the Bible has plenty of slaughter to choose from. The Amalekites come to mind. Slaughtered down to the 'infants in their cribs'.

But per the people that didn't it wasn't 'murder'. Nor were they 'innocent'.

Why not 'Theistic Terrorism'? It covers a larger group that the OP acknowledges, meets all the OP"s standards, and covers motivation.


Again.....I notice you are not citing the Jesus portion of the bible.....are you.....please come back when you have a passage of Jesus ordering the murder of innocents........you know...the guy who created Christianity.....
 
We don't need to. It's already axiomatic. Whenever I think "terrorism" , I automatically think of "Muslims" and so does every other sane person on the planet.
 
And the entire Northern Ireland conflict was Christian terrorism. As were Timothy McVeigh, and all the abortion clinic bombings and murders, and the attack on the black church in Charleston last year...

Damn Christian terrorists.

The real reason so many in the US want to couch this as 'Muslim' is because they want to feel good about their own religion. Isis no more are 'Muslims' than Eric Rudolph is a 'Christian'.

You can call yourself anything you like. If you don't follow the faith, you are a liar that likes to kill people and use the faith to justify it. Which is something all religion has been used for for millenium.


Hello,

Sadly, the vast majority of all terror attacks are committed by Muslims in the name of Islam. We can attempt to redirect and pretend that the problem is not based in Islam by pointing to the exceptions, but this is really just pretending the problem doesn't exist.

garion13a5
 
Remember, the 10 Commandments...those the Christians follow, state that committing evil in God's name is the one sin God will not forgive.

Evil....according to who? That's the problem with a 'No True Scotsman' fallacy.


No....it is pretty well defined, especially in this thread. Committing murder is a sin, and it is evil....there is no sanction for murder coming from Jesus...can you point out where he commanded it?

So if you're fighting in a war and kill someone.....straight to hell then?


Nope......murder is taking the life of an innocent.....fighting a war is not murder....
 
And the entire Northern Ireland conflict was Christian terrorism. As were Timothy McVeigh, and all the abortion clinic bombings and murders, and the attack on the black church in Charleston last year...

Damn Christian terrorists.

The real reason so many in the US want to couch this as 'Muslim' is because they want to feel good about their own religion. Isis no more are 'Muslims' than Eric Rudolph is a 'Christian'.

You can call yourself anything you like. If you don't follow the faith, you are a liar that likes to kill people and use the faith to justify it. Which is something all religion has been used for for millenium.


Actually, no....again...which part of Christianity doesn't allow murder, do you guys fail to get? Islam not only permits murder, it preaches it.....

Ponderous...the bible is full of passages on killing people or enslaving them. Thankfully most Christians ignore most of the bible, as do most Muslims ignore most of the Koran. Otherwise the human population would be reduced to what is on Guam.

This is what I don't like, the lying from Christians who need to believe their religion is just dripping with golden honey goodness. Sorry, the bible isn't.


Not in the part with Jesus......different time periods and Christians follow the word of Jesus.....

Again...please list all of the quotes of Jesus ordering his disciples to commit murder against unbelievers........or other Christians....

We Christians are patient...we will wait while you try to find them.....

We won't have to wait very long for Islamic commands for murder though....

Hmm where could you find such a 'complete list'. Other than a thousand threads here or ten million websites.

If you need your delusions, do not go look. If you want to know reality, the answers are out there.




Yeah.....that isn't exactly telling us where Jesus ordered his followers to commit murder...is it.....

So I will keep waiting....

However.......how many passages in the Islamic text order murder....

The Quran's Verses of Violence


You mean that pillar of fire in the old testament *wasn't* Jesus? Because I'm pretty sure you're gonna run headlong into polytheism or a bunch of Christians that beg to differ.
 
Still waiting for Jesus ordering murder.....

until then...

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
 
Remember, the 10 Commandments...those the Christians follow, state that committing evil in God's name is the one sin God will not forgive.

Evil....according to who? That's the problem with a 'No True Scotsman' fallacy.


No....it is pretty well defined, especially in this thread. Committing murder is a sin, and it is evil....there is no sanction for murder coming from Jesus...can you point out where he commanded it?

So if you're fighting in a war and kill someone.....straight to hell then?


Nope......murder is taking the life of an innocent.....fighting a war is not murder....

So that shall not kill.....except.

Okay, how about self defense? Is that murder according to the 'pretty well defined' Bible?
 
Muhammed beheaded, stoned, enslaved, raped, lied and stole. Jesus did none of these things but rather preached turning the other cheek, forgiveness and love thy neighbour. Muslims must emulate Mohammed, Christians Jesus. It's not rocket science to see where the problem lies.​
 
Still waiting for Jesus ordering murder.....

until then...

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

So that wasn't Jesus in the Old testament? Another God then?
 
Actually, no....again...which part of Christianity doesn't allow murder, do you guys fail to get? Islam not only permits murder, it preaches it.....

Ponderous...the bible is full of passages on killing people or enslaving them. Thankfully most Christians ignore most of the bible, as do most Muslims ignore most of the Koran. Otherwise the human population would be reduced to what is on Guam.

This is what I don't like, the lying from Christians who need to believe their religion is just dripping with golden honey goodness. Sorry, the bible isn't.


Not in the part with Jesus......different time periods and Christians follow the word of Jesus.....

Again...please list all of the quotes of Jesus ordering his disciples to commit murder against unbelievers........or other Christians....

We Christians are patient...we will wait while you try to find them.....

We won't have to wait very long for Islamic commands for murder though....

Hmm where could you find such a 'complete list'. Other than a thousand threads here or ten million websites.

If you need your delusions, do not go look. If you want to know reality, the answers are out there.




Yeah.....that isn't exactly telling us where Jesus ordered his followers to commit murder...is it.....

So I will keep waiting....

However.......how many passages in the Islamic text order murder....

The Quran's Verses of Violence


You mean that pillar of fire in the old testament *wasn't* Jesus? Because I'm pretty sure you're gonna run headlong into polytheism or a bunch of Christians that beg to differ.



Yeah.....again.....tell me that was Jesus......and what words did he use to command murder......waiting....
 
Muhammed beheaded, stoned, enslaved, raped, lied and stole. Jesus did none of these things but rather preached turning the other cheek, forgiveness and love thy neighbour. Muslims must emulate Mohammed, Christians Jesus. It's not rocket science to see where the problem lies.​

So who ordered the Israelites to slaughter the Amalekites down to the 'infants in their cribs'?
 
Still waiting for Jesus ordering murder.....

until then...

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

So that wasn't Jesus in the Old testament? Another God then?

Nice try.....but again....Jesus....please show where he ordered his new followers of his new religion to commit murder....
 
I have no problem at all in referring to the terrorism of TIMOTHY as
white---protestant---terrorism (because there was a kind of aspect
of it that included protestant ideology----albeit--weirded up) I have
no problem in naming "shoot up the abortion clinic" as ---white
protestant terrorism (unless a catholic is involved) -----but to be
PRECISE -------there aint much of WHITE PROTESTANT
TERRORISM in the world today-----now what CROMWELL is dead.
But there has been lots of MUSLIM TERRORISM for the past 1400 years
and counting

For me, their religion is irrelevant unless its the primary motivating factor in their actions.
Does alahu akhbah give you a clue?
 
Ponderous...the bible is full of passages on killing people or enslaving them. Thankfully most Christians ignore most of the bible, as do most Muslims ignore most of the Koran. Otherwise the human population would be reduced to what is on Guam.

This is what I don't like, the lying from Christians who need to believe their religion is just dripping with golden honey goodness. Sorry, the bible isn't.


Not in the part with Jesus......different time periods and Christians follow the word of Jesus.....

Again...please list all of the quotes of Jesus ordering his disciples to commit murder against unbelievers........or other Christians....

We Christians are patient...we will wait while you try to find them.....

We won't have to wait very long for Islamic commands for murder though....

Hmm where could you find such a 'complete list'. Other than a thousand threads here or ten million websites.

If you need your delusions, do not go look. If you want to know reality, the answers are out there.




Yeah.....that isn't exactly telling us where Jesus ordered his followers to commit murder...is it.....

So I will keep waiting....

However.......how many passages in the Islamic text order murder....

The Quran's Verses of Violence


You mean that pillar of fire in the old testament *wasn't* Jesus? Because I'm pretty sure you're gonna run headlong into polytheism or a bunch of Christians that beg to differ.



Yeah.....again.....tell me that was Jesus......and what words did he use to command murder......waiting....


Who was it then? Another God? I'm pretty sure that the Christians believe there is only one.

So if not Jesus, who then?
 
Muhammed beheaded, stoned, enslaved, raped, lied and stole. Jesus did none of these things but rather preached turning the other cheek, forgiveness and love thy neighbour. Muslims must emulate Mohammed, Christians Jesus. It's not rocket science to see where the problem lies.​

So who ordered the Israelites to slaughter the Amalekites down to the 'infants in their cribs'?


God.....and the discussion of that is deeper than this....

Again....Jesus said what? Turn the other Cheek......he who is without guilt cast the first stone.....I am not getting....murder the bastard, from that....
 

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