Many hunters use AR15s...

[JQPublic1]

I'm sure most gun nuts NEED 30 shots to kill a deer.

And here is another one.

My deer rifle will accept a 30 round magazine, and it is bolt action. Mossberg MVP 308.

My bolt action shotgun takes a detachable magazine as well, up to 10 rounds of 12 gauge. Marlin Model 55.

Look them up

So please, feel free to continue to display your ignorance, but read the rest of the thread while you're here.

And? Most laws are looking to limit clip size as well, as they should. Do you need a 30 round clip to hunt deer? Do you plan on being attacked by 30 deer while sitting in your tree stand?

I need more then 30 rounds... I need as many as it takes to protect me and my family from threats both foreign and domestic which includes a oppressive government if that comes about.

The Walmart militia vs. the US govt.? It`ll be over in 10 minutes and it`s unfortunate that I can`t place a bet on the winner. It won`t be Biff and Bubba with their assault weapons.

Like it was in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and any other countries.....and those were backward countries.........

You guys don't understand history, the mass murder and genocide...we have people still alive today who were in the socialist death camps in Europe........all because they believed people like you, that they didn't need guns, that registering guns was only for their own protection.....and then when the socialist goons showed up, took their guns, then came back and marched them to the gas chambers......you would think morons like you would have learned that lesson....

Oh well. I guess we civilians had better stock up on tanks, grenade launchers and mortars. too. And if we can find a way to get suitcade nukes we should do that too...right????

 

[2aguy]

And here is another one.

My deer rifle will accept a 30 round magazine, and it is bolt action. Mossberg MVP 308.

My bolt action shotgun takes a detachable magazine as well, up to 10 rounds of 12 gauge. Marlin Model 55.

Look them up

So please, feel free to continue to display your ignorance, but read the rest of the thread while you're here.

And? Most laws are looking to limit clip size as well, as they should. Do you need a 30 round clip to hunt deer? Do you plan on being attacked by 30 deer while sitting in your tree stand?

I need more then 30 rounds... I need as many as it takes to protect me and my family from threats both foreign and domestic which includes a oppressive government if that comes about.

The Walmart militia vs. the US govt.? It`ll be over in 10 minutes and it`s unfortunate that I can`t place a bet on the winner. It won`t be Biff and Bubba with their assault weapons.

Like it was in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and any other countries.....and those were backward countries.........

You guys don't understand history, the mass murder and genocide...we have people still alive today who were in the socialist death camps in Europe........all because they believed people like you, that they didn't need guns, that registering guns was only for their own protection.....and then when the socialist goons showed up, took their guns, then came back and marched them to the gas chambers......you would think morons like you would have learned that lesson....

Oh well. I guess we civilians had better stock up on tanks, grenade launchers and mortars. too. And if we can find a way to get suitcade nukes we should do that too...right????

Yes...History is hard....I get it.....history for left wingers like you starts the moment you wake up in the morning, just like it did for Drew Barrymore in that movie 50 First Dates...

Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq.......

And yes...governments murdered more people than all of our criminals have......and yet you still want only the government to have guns.....ask the Mexican people, right across the border how that is working out for them...

 

[JQPublic1]

One shot is all you need to bring down a deer. A five round mag would suffice for any hunting needs and a bolt action rifle would also be preferred. But we know what you RW gun nuts really want. You want parity with the military in the event your illusion of a tyrannical government becomes reality or in the event there is an invasion of armed hostiles across the borders. Fear of Blacks, Hispanics , Muslims and Asians have driven you into the arms of Putin and the NRA.

Hey there, can you tell us which military uses this hereand what they had in mind for it? And so you know, most states require that the magazine be fixed, as in NOT removable, 5 rounds max capacity and even the ammo has to be of an expanding soft or hollow point designs. That’s for game animals. Non game animals , like hogs you can typically use a flame thrower if you like.

The weapon of choice for the lone mass murderer is the AR 15 style weapon.
That is all that concerns me at this point and I want something done to keep this weapon out of civilian hands. We never know when one of you gun nuts will snap.

Lol
People kill people not firearms, firearms have no control over people. Most people learn that in grade school

Thanks for agreeing with me. Weapons capable of mass destruction should be banned. for civilian use because we can never tell when one of you gun nuts will go bonkers and start shooting indiscriminately into crowds. And yes. any weapon can be used to kill people but the power of the AR15 sets it apart from a hand gun or a shotgun.

The AR 15 was not designed to be a hunting rifle. It was designed to fire a projectile that tumbles. That tumbling effect turns flesh into hamburger and destroys organs. Now do you understand what this old Army guy is trying to tell ya?

That is bullshit. You are poorly informed. It was designed to engage the enemy at 100 to 500 yards and to be more likely to only, rather than kill.

Either way, all firearms are designed to kill. ALL of them.

You are dodging reality. Most firearms don't kill as many people in as short a time as the AR 15 is capable of. More people would have had a chance to escape if a less effective killing machine was used.

Na, Before going to use whatever means are necessary. Firearms have no control over people. Dumbass

Precisely, dumbass...that's why some firearms shouldn't be legal for public use.

Yes.....the Germans thought so....then they marched 12 million unarmed Europeans into gas chambers. The Russian's thought so.....and they murdere 25 million unarmed Russians.....the Chinese thought so, and still do, and then they murdered 70 million unarmed people....the Mexicans think so, so the Mexican police and military, working for the drug cartels use their government guns to murder 30 thousand people a year...right across our border.....

Yes...some weapons shouldn't be legal for law abiding citizens...since it is so much harder to fill those mass graves when they can fight back...

So what do you propose we do to address the mass killings that are ravaging our country now?

 

[2aguy]

Hey there, can you tell us which military uses this hereand what they had in mind for it? And so you know, most states require that the magazine be fixed, as in NOT removable, 5 rounds max capacity and even the ammo has to be of an expanding soft or hollow point designs. That’s for game animals. Non game animals , like hogs you can typically use a flame thrower if you like.

The weapon of choice for the lone mass murderer is the AR 15 style weapon.
That is all that concerns me at this point and I want something done to keep this weapon out of civilian hands. We never know when one of you gun nuts will snap.

Lol
People kill people not firearms, firearms have no control over people. Most people learn that in grade school

Thanks for agreeing with me. Weapons capable of mass destruction should be banned. for civilian use because we can never tell when one of you gun nuts will go bonkers and start shooting indiscriminately into crowds. And yes. any weapon can be used to kill people but the power of the AR15 sets it apart from a hand gun or a shotgun.

That is bullshit. You are poorly informed. It was designed to engage the enemy at 100 to 500 yards and to be more likely to only, rather than kill.

Either way, all firearms are designed to kill. ALL of them.

You are dodging reality. Most firearms don't kill as many people in as short a time as the AR 15 is capable of. More people would have had a chance to escape if a less effective killing machine was used.

Na, Before going to use whatever means are necessary. Firearms have no control over people. Dumbass

Precisely, dumbass...that's why some firearms shouldn't be legal for public use.

Yes.....the Germans thought so....then they marched 12 million unarmed Europeans into gas chambers. The Russian's thought so.....and they murdere 25 million unarmed Russians.....the Chinese thought so, and still do, and then they murdered 70 million unarmed people....the Mexicans think so, so the Mexican police and military, working for the drug cartels use their government guns to murder 30 thousand people a year...right across our border.....

Yes...some weapons shouldn't be legal for law abiding citizens...since it is so much harder to fill those mass graves when they can fight back...

So what do you propose we do to address the mass killings that are ravaging our country now?

They aren't ravaging our country, doofus......

In 35 years we have had 795 people killed in mass public shootings......795 people in 35 years........vs. over 1,600 people murdered with knives every single year...so no, we don't have a mass shooting problem...

US mass shootings, 1982-2018: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Total murders by mass public shooters...1982-2017
795


knife murders.....2009-2013.....

2009----1,836
2010----1,933
2011----1,611
2012---1,769
2013---1.956

Rifle murder....

2009---351
2010---367
2011---332
2012---298
2013---285

 

[2aguy]

Hey there, can you tell us which military uses this hereand what they had in mind for it? And so you know, most states require that the magazine be fixed, as in NOT removable, 5 rounds max capacity and even the ammo has to be of an expanding soft or hollow point designs. That’s for game animals. Non game animals , like hogs you can typically use a flame thrower if you like.

The weapon of choice for the lone mass murderer is the AR 15 style weapon.
That is all that concerns me at this point and I want something done to keep this weapon out of civilian hands. We never know when one of you gun nuts will snap.

Lol
People kill people not firearms, firearms have no control over people. Most people learn that in grade school

Thanks for agreeing with me. Weapons capable of mass destruction should be banned. for civilian use because we can never tell when one of you gun nuts will go bonkers and start shooting indiscriminately into crowds. And yes. any weapon can be used to kill people but the power of the AR15 sets it apart from a hand gun or a shotgun.

That is bullshit. You are poorly informed. It was designed to engage the enemy at 100 to 500 yards and to be more likely to only, rather than kill.

Either way, all firearms are designed to kill. ALL of them.

You are dodging reality. Most firearms don't kill as many people in as short a time as the AR 15 is capable of. More people would have had a chance to escape if a less effective killing machine was used.

Na, Before going to use whatever means are necessary. Firearms have no control over people. Dumbass

Precisely, dumbass...that's why some firearms shouldn't be legal for public use.

Yes.....the Germans thought so....then they marched 12 million unarmed Europeans into gas chambers. The Russian's thought so.....and they murdere 25 million unarmed Russians.....the Chinese thought so, and still do, and then they murdered 70 million unarmed people....the Mexicans think so, so the Mexican police and military, working for the drug cartels use their government guns to murder 30 thousand people a year...right across our border.....

Yes...some weapons shouldn't be legal for law abiding citizens...since it is so much harder to fill those mass graves when they can fight back...

So what do you propose we do to address the mass killings that are ravaging our country now?

For the rare mass public shootings that we have.....

1) end gun free zones....allow law abiding parents and staff to carry their legal guns onto school grounds..this will keep mass shooters from targeting schools...we know this from the actual mass shooters that have been captured, and from the notes from the dead ones.....

2) Where possible, try to use police and retired police to put armed guards on school campuses....

3) Harden schools with security features

Those are the immediate solutions.....long term....better intelligence on kids who are actually dangerous, and have the police actually arrest kids who break the law...which didn't happen in that high school.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Hey there, can you tell us which military uses this hereand what they had in mind for it? And so you know, most states require that the magazine be fixed, as in NOT removable, 5 rounds max capacity and even the ammo has to be of an expanding soft or hollow point designs. That’s for game animals. Non game animals , like hogs you can typically use a flame thrower if you like.

The weapon of choice for the lone mass murderer is the AR 15 style weapon.
That is all that concerns me at this point and I want something done to keep this weapon out of civilian hands. We never know when one of you gun nuts will snap.

Lol
People kill people not firearms, firearms have no control over people. Most people learn that in grade school

Thanks for agreeing with me. Weapons capable of mass destruction should be banned. for civilian use because we can never tell when one of you gun nuts will go bonkers and start shooting indiscriminately into crowds. And yes. any weapon can be used to kill people but the power of the AR15 sets it apart from a hand gun or a shotgun.

That is bullshit. You are poorly informed. It was designed to engage the enemy at 100 to 500 yards and to be more likely to only, rather than kill.

Either way, all firearms are designed to kill. ALL of them.

You are dodging reality. Most firearms don't kill as many people in as short a time as the AR 15 is capable of. More people would have had a chance to escape if a less effective killing machine was used.

Na, Before going to use whatever means are necessary. Firearms have no control over people. Dumbass

Precisely, dumbass...that's why some firearms shouldn't be legal for public use.

Yes.....the Germans thought so....then they marched 12 million unarmed Europeans into gas chambers. The Russian's thought so.....and they murdere 25 million unarmed Russians.....the Chinese thought so, and still do, and then they murdered 70 million unarmed people....the Mexicans think so, so the Mexican police and military, working for the drug cartels use their government guns to murder 30 thousand people a year...right across our border.....

Yes...some weapons shouldn't be legal for law abiding citizens...since it is so much harder to fill those mass graves when they can fight back...

So what do you propose we do to address the mass killings that are ravaging our country now?

Gun grabber propaganda.

 

[Crixus]

The weapon of choice for the lone mass murderer is the AR 15 style weapon.
That is all that concerns me at this point and I want something done to keep this weapon out of civilian hands. We never know when one of you gun nuts will snap.

Lol
People kill people not firearms, firearms have no control over people. Most people learn that in grade school

Thanks for agreeing with me. Weapons capable of mass destruction should be banned. for civilian use because we can never tell when one of you gun nuts will go bonkers and start shooting indiscriminately into crowds. And yes. any weapon can be used to kill people but the power of the AR15 sets it apart from a hand gun or a shotgun.

You are dodging reality. Most firearms don't kill as many people in as short a time as the AR 15 is capable of. More people would have had a chance to escape if a less effective killing machine was used.

Na, Before going to use whatever means are necessary. Firearms have no control over people. Dumbass

Precisely, dumbass...that's why some firearms shouldn't be legal for public use.

Yes.....the Germans thought so....then they marched 12 million unarmed Europeans into gas chambers. The Russian's thought so.....and they murdere 25 million unarmed Russians.....the Chinese thought so, and still do, and then they murdered 70 million unarmed people....the Mexicans think so, so the Mexican police and military, working for the drug cartels use their government guns to murder 30 thousand people a year...right across our border.....

Yes...some weapons shouldn't be legal for law abiding citizens...since it is so much harder to fill those mass graves when they can fight back...

So what do you propose we do to address the mass killings that are ravaging our country now?

For the rare mass public shootings that we have.....

1) end gun free zones....allow law abiding parents and staff to carry their legal guns onto school grounds..this will keep mass shooters from targeting schools...we know this from the actual mass shooters that have been captured, and from the notes from the dead ones.....

2) Where possible, try to use police and retired police to put armed guards on school campuses....

3) Harden schools with security features

Those are the immediate solutions.....long term....better intelligence on kids who are actually dangerous, and have the police actually arrest kids who break the law...which didn't happen in that high school.

All good, only add a dedicated school district security outfit .

 

[BULLDOG]

I'm sure most gun nuts NEED 30 shots to kill a deer.

And here is another one.

My deer rifle will accept a 30 round magazine, and it is bolt action. Mossberg MVP 308.

My bolt action shotgun takes a detachable magazine as well, up to 10 rounds of 12 gauge. Marlin Model 55.

Look them up

So please, feel free to continue to display your ignorance, but read the rest of the thread while you're here.

And? Most laws are looking to limit clip size as well, as they should. Do you need a 30 round clip to hunt deer? Do you plan on being attacked by 30 deer while sitting in your tree stand?

I need more then 30 rounds... I need as many as it takes to protect me and my family from threats both foreign and domestic which includes a oppressive government if that comes about.

The Walmart militia vs. the US govt.? It`ll be over in 10 minutes and it`s unfortunate that I can`t place a bet on the winner. It won`t be Biff and Bubba with their assault weapons.

Like it was in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and any other countries.....and those were backward countries.........

You guys don't understand history, the mass murder and genocide...we have people still alive today who were in the socialist death camps in Europe........all because they believed people like you, that they didn't need guns, that registering guns was only for their own protection.....and then when the socialist goons showed up, took their guns, then came back and marched them to the gas chambers......you would think morons like you would have learned that lesson....

You really think there will be an armed rebellion, and a bunch of hillbilly gun nuts will defeat our military. That's just pathetic.

 

[WinterBorn]

I keep hearing this talking point...AR15s aren't good for hunting. This talking point is patently false. It is advanced by people who know nothing about guns or hunting. AR15s are accurate, in a hunting caliber, easy to work on, and simple to customize. They will eventually supplant the bolt action rifle in the same way the bolt action rifle supplanted the lever action rifle and the lever action rifle supplanted the single shot.

Link to list of Youtube AR-15 Hunting Videos

No they don't.

That is a lie.

No legitimate skilled hunter uses an AR-15. It would be seen as lame and a waste of ammo. 1 shot, 1 kill. You can't hit a moving target? FO.

And killing wild pigs and jackrabbits in mass is NOT HUNTING.

Real hunting is mostly dead, as "hunters" today use all types of technology and chemicals to track and fool the animal. It used to require skill and cunning, but today's hunters are frustrated impotent men. Few can even skin or care to eat what they kill. They'd rather pay someone to do the unpleasant part.

And don't get me started with the rich dentists and Don jr. types who pay big bucks to pretend they are Hemingway for a weekend. How pathetic is that?

I used an AR to hunt coyote a number of years ago. If you think taking coyote in the southeast is not hunting, you are clueless. They have a sense of smell that rivals a whitetail deer. They see as well as a wild turkey. And they are smarter than most game animals.

 

[Crixus]

And here is another one.

My deer rifle will accept a 30 round magazine, and it is bolt action. Mossberg MVP 308.

My bolt action shotgun takes a detachable magazine as well, up to 10 rounds of 12 gauge. Marlin Model 55.

Look them up

So please, feel free to continue to display your ignorance, but read the rest of the thread while you're here.

And? Most laws are looking to limit clip size as well, as they should. Do you need a 30 round clip to hunt deer? Do you plan on being attacked by 30 deer while sitting in your tree stand?

I need more then 30 rounds... I need as many as it takes to protect me and my family from threats both foreign and domestic which includes a oppressive government if that comes about.

The Walmart militia vs. the US govt.? It`ll be over in 10 minutes and it`s unfortunate that I can`t place a bet on the winner. It won`t be Biff and Bubba with their assault weapons.

Like it was in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and any other countries.....and those were backward countries.........

You guys don't understand history, the mass murder and genocide...we have people still alive today who were in the socialist death camps in Europe........all because they believed people like you, that they didn't need guns, that registering guns was only for their own protection.....and then when the socialist goons showed up, took their guns, then came back and marched them to the gas chambers......you would think morons like you would have learned that lesson....

You really think there will be an armed rebellion, and a bunch of hillbilly gun nuts will defeat our military. That's just pathetic.

I don’t think there will have to be/ I don’t believe the military would move on civilians. Not even for Drumphf.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Yup. And the constitution renders the power unto the people; to dispatch threats both foreign, and domestic. It really is an incredible document...

Yeah and it is a great thing that the majority of the people want more gun control than less.

It’s obvious people like yourself want no one to own any firearms. LOL

It is? Because I've said exactly the opposite.

I think there should be a magazine size limit.

I think they need to re-instate the law that says those on SSI for a mental illness can't buy a gun.

I think guns like the AR-15 should be limited to only certain people can buy them... say like in Switzerland where only people who served in the military.

They need to close the gun show loophole.

They need to limit the number of guns a person can own, and no not to a number like 2 or 3, but something reasonable, unless a firearm is considered a collectible.

I think EVERY person that owns a firearm should have to take a safety training course before they can buy one, just like how people have to do it to get a driver's license to drive a car.

The most far out idea I have is, a person who owns a gun should have to pay for a sort of gun insurance. That way if you accidentally shoot someone, or someone steals your gun and commits a crime with it, the insurance will cover the damages.

I think there should be a magazine size limit.

who are you to judge how many bullets a person might need to protect themselves family and property

besides that what is to stop a shooter from having them anyway

or what is to stop them from carrying more mags

these shooters have plenty of to time to swap mags as it is

I think they need to re-instate the law that says those on SSI for a mental illness can't buy a gun.


that was not all law the executive order was too vague

no one ones truly mentally ill people to have access to firearms

I think guns like the AR-15 should be limited to only certain people can buy them... say like in Switzerland where only people who served in the military.

based on what their looks

my semi auto is far more deadly then an ar-15

the ar you see down town is not a military rifle

They need to close the gun show loophole.


that is fair

however has anyone ever seen the stats on how many shooters

has got their firearm through the "gunshow loophole"

They need to limit the number of guns a person can own, and no not to a number like 2 or 3, but something reasonable, unless a firearm is considered a collectible.

what does that have to do with anything


The most far out idea I have is, a person who owns a gun should have to pay for a sort of gun insurance. That way if you accidentally shoot someone, or someone steals your gun and commits a crime with it, the insurance will cover the damages.

that is far out and would never pass

that being said you can buy such insurance already

I quit reading after the very first thing you said. Who am I to judge how many bullets a person can have in a magazine? Oh I don't know... ask the families of the victims from these mass shootings.

sorry you felt that way

but who the fuck are to you to decide what some lawful person my need


you folks are the exact reason pro 2nd people will never NEVER compromise with you

 

[undertherqadar]

And? Most laws are looking to limit clip size as well, as they should. Do you need a 30 round clip to hunt deer? Do you plan on being attacked by 30 deer while sitting in your tree stand?

I need more then 30 rounds... I need as many as it takes to protect me and my family from threats both foreign and domestic which includes a oppressive government if that comes about.

The Walmart militia vs. the US govt.? It`ll be over in 10 minutes and it`s unfortunate that I can`t place a bet on the winner. It won`t be Biff and Bubba with their assault weapons.

Like it was in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and any other countries.....and those were backward countries.........

You guys don't understand history, the mass murder and genocide...we have people still alive today who were in the socialist death camps in Europe........all because they believed people like you, that they didn't need guns, that registering guns was only for their own protection.....and then when the socialist goons showed up, took their guns, then came back and marched them to the gas chambers......you would think morons like you would have learned that lesson....

Oh well. I guess we civilians had better stock up on tanks, grenade launchers and mortars. too. And if we can find a way to get suitcade nukes we should do that too...right????

Yes...History is hard....I get it.....history for left wingers like you starts the moment you wake up in the morning, just like it did for Drew Barrymore in that movie 50 First Dates...

Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq.......

And yes...governments murdered more people than all of our criminals have......and yet you still want only the government to have guns.....ask the Mexican people, right across the border how that is working out for them...

And you are going to hold off the the US government who has advanced weaponry with ar's and other assorted weapons? quite loonish

 

[undertherqadar]

Yup. And the constitution renders the power unto the people; to dispatch threats both foreign, and domestic. It really is an incredible document...

Yeah and it is a great thing that the majority of the people want more gun control than less.

It’s obvious people like yourself want no one to own any firearms. LOL

It is? Because I've said exactly the opposite.

I think there should be a magazine size limit.

I think they need to re-instate the law that says those on SSI for a mental illness can't buy a gun.

I think guns like the AR-15 should be limited to only certain people can buy them... say like in Switzerland where only people who served in the military.

They need to close the gun show loophole.

They need to limit the number of guns a person can own, and no not to a number like 2 or 3, but something reasonable, unless a firearm is considered a collectible.

I think EVERY person that owns a firearm should have to take a safety training course before they can buy one, just like how people have to do it to get a driver's license to drive a car.

The most far out idea I have is, a person who owns a gun should have to pay for a sort of gun insurance. That way if you accidentally shoot someone, or someone steals your gun and commits a crime with it, the insurance will cover the damages.

So other words firearm registration leading to confiscation

Only the paranoid jump to the conclusion that registration leads to confiscation. Paranoia is a recognized symptom of mental disease so maybe YOU shouldn`t be allowed to play with guns.

NRA "Logik"

 

[BULLDOG]

And? Most laws are looking to limit clip size as well, as they should. Do you need a 30 round clip to hunt deer? Do you plan on being attacked by 30 deer while sitting in your tree stand?

I need more then 30 rounds... I need as many as it takes to protect me and my family from threats both foreign and domestic which includes a oppressive government if that comes about.

The Walmart militia vs. the US govt.? It`ll be over in 10 minutes and it`s unfortunate that I can`t place a bet on the winner. It won`t be Biff and Bubba with their assault weapons.

Like it was in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and any other countries.....and those were backward countries.........

You guys don't understand history, the mass murder and genocide...we have people still alive today who were in the socialist death camps in Europe........all because they believed people like you, that they didn't need guns, that registering guns was only for their own protection.....and then when the socialist goons showed up, took their guns, then came back and marched them to the gas chambers......you would think morons like you would have learned that lesson....

You really think there will be an armed rebellion, and a bunch of hillbilly gun nuts will defeat our military. That's just pathetic.

I don’t think there will have to be/ I don’t believe the military would move on civilians. Not even for Drumphf.

Only an idiot would think that is a real possibility. I do see the possibility that a few idiots might pull more shit like at that bird sanctuary a few months back, and force having to be used to pacify them, but an all out civil war, like those crazy gun nuts keep talking about is just insane.

 

[JQPublic1]

What an AR-15 Can Do to the Human Body

What can a shotgun do to the human body? They sell those in semi-auto, by the way.

Your ignorance is painful to watch.

How many rounds do those semi auto shotguns hold, dummy? Ands why haven't the majority of mass killers used shotguns if they are just as deadly as the AR 15, arsehole?

It’s obvious you know nothing of firearms. Lol

I wasn't giving a lesson on firearms...i was noting the preference mass shooters have for
the AR type rifles.. And i did spend more than 20 years in the Army, with about 8 years in a combat unit. The knowledge of experts who wrote the Field Manuals was imparted religiously to me. That. M16 a2 FM was the bible .
Now there was nothing in those hallowed pages that showed loading and priming cartridges. The book simply showed how to breakdown and maintain the weapon.also included were the specifications such as rate of fire on full auto and effective range.
That was all i needed to know.

 

[JQPublic1]

The weapon of choice for the lone mass murderer is the AR 15 style weapon.
That is all that concerns me at this point and I want something done to keep this weapon out of civilian hands. We never know when one of you gun nuts will snap.

Lol
People kill people not firearms, firearms have no control over people. Most people learn that in grade school

Thanks for agreeing with me. Weapons capable of mass destruction should be banned. for civilian use because we can never tell when one of you gun nuts will go bonkers and start shooting indiscriminately into crowds. And yes. any weapon can be used to kill people but the power of the AR15 sets it apart from a hand gun or a shotgun.

You are dodging reality. Most firearms don't kill as many people in as short a time as the AR 15 is capable of. More people would have had a chance to escape if a less effective killing machine was used.

Na, Before going to use whatever means are necessary. Firearms have no control over people. Dumbass

Precisely, dumbass...that's why some firearms shouldn't be legal for public use.

Yes.....the Germans thought so....then they marched 12 million unarmed Europeans into gas chambers. The Russian's thought so.....and they murdere 25 million unarmed Russians.....the Chinese thought so, and still do, and then they murdered 70 million unarmed people....the Mexicans think so, so the Mexican police and military, working for the drug cartels use their government guns to murder 30 thousand people a year...right across our border.....

Yes...some weapons shouldn't be legal for law abiding citizens...since it is so much harder to fill those mass graves when they can fight back...

So what do you propose we do to address the mass killings that are ravaging our country now?

They aren't ravaging our country, doofus......

In 35 years we have had 795 people killed in mass public shootings......795 people in 35 years........vs. over 1,600 people murdered with knives every single year...so no, we don't have a mass shooting problem...

US mass shootings, 1982-2018: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Total murders by mass public shooters...1982-2017
795


knife murders.....2009-2013.....

2009----1,836
2010----1,933
2011----1,611
2012---1,769
2013---1.956

Rifle murder....

2009---351
2010---367
2011---332
2012---298
2013---285

The weapon of choice for the lone mass murderer is the AR 15 style weapon.
That is all that concerns me at this point and I want something done to keep this weapon out of civilian hands. We never know when one of you gun nuts will snap.

Lol
People kill people not firearms, firearms have no control over people. Most people learn that in grade school

Thanks for agreeing with me. Weapons capable of mass destruction should be banned. for civilian use because we can never tell when one of you gun nuts will go bonkers and start shooting indiscriminately into crowds. And yes. any weapon can be used to kill people but the power of the AR15 sets it apart from a hand gun or a shotgun.

You are dodging reality. Most firearms don't kill as many people in as short a time as the AR 15 is capable of. More people would have had a chance to escape if a less effective killing machine was used.

Na, Before going to use whatever means are necessary. Firearms have no control over people. Dumbass

Precisely, dumbass...that's why some firearms shouldn't be legal for public use.

Yes.....the Germans thought so....then they marched 12 million unarmed Europeans into gas chambers. The Russian's thought so.....and they murdere 25 million unarmed Russians.....the Chinese thought so, and still do, and then they murdered 70 million unarmed people....the Mexicans think so, so the Mexican police and military, working for the drug cartels use their government guns to murder 30 thousand people a year...right across our border.....

Yes...some weapons shouldn't be legal for law abiding citizens...since it is so much harder to fill those mass graves when they can fight back...

So what do you propose we do to address the mass killings that are ravaging our country now?

They aren't ravaging our country, doofus......

In 35 years we have had 795 people killed in mass public shootings......795 people in 35 years........vs. over 1,600 people murdered with knives every single year...so no, we don't have a mass shooting problem...

US mass shootings, 1982-2018: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Total murders by mass public shooters...1982-2017
795


knife murders.....2009-2013.....

2009----1,836
2010----1,933
2011----1,611
2012---1,769
2013---1.956

Rifle murder....

2009---351
2010---367
2011---332
2012---298
2013---285

Timeline: The ‘Worst’ Mass Shootings in Modern U.S. History
Mass-casualty shootings are happening with greater frequency, and with higher death counts. Less than 16 months after the Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando, Florida, set a terrible new benchmark for carnage, a gunman firing from his Las Vegas hotel room killed at least 58 people and wounded hundreds more.

 

[JQPublic1]

You just made an argument against them yourself. Why buy an AR-15 then if you are handicapped while hunting to have to use it in a similar fashion to normal hunting rifle?

Because I can use an AR15 in dual roles...home protection and hunting.

And it is modular, I can keep the lower and buy an upper in 300 blackout for deer hunting. (we have pretty good sized deer in Missouri)

Plus, I learned the platform inside and out when I was in the Army, including repair. I have a lever action 45 Colt that I would never consider repairing myself...driving out rolled pins to disassemble would be the first of many hindrances. But my AR, I can have it disassembled in minutes with the bare firing pin laying in my hand.

And, it is far easier to customize. The problem with discussing these things with you is you don't know the unfathomable depth of the knowledge you do not possess. You think one just grabs a rifle off the shelf, puts any old bullet in it and it's good to go. I would have to explain length of pull, maximum point blank range, bullet types and weights, charge throws, rifling turn rates and why a 1 in 8 might be better than a 1 in 9 or even 1 in 12 for an AR.

Suffice it to say, anything you can do yourself saves you a pile of money, and when it comes to length of pull, you used to be forced to permanently alter the stock to adjust to a shorter LOP meaning my 5'2" wife and I couldn't share a firearm...or fathers and sons/daughters..prior to the adjustable six position stock.

You don't need an AR-15 to protect your home, and the right to bear arms doesn't say an AR-15 is covered.

The first amendment doesn't specificlly mention your name...

It doesn't have to. I'm a citizen of the United States.

Yup. And the constitution renders the power unto the people; to dispatch threats both foreign, and domestic. It really is an incredible document...

What do you mean by DISPATCH threats? Threats to whom?

 

[WinterBorn]

I need more then 30 rounds... I need as many as it takes to protect me and my family from threats both foreign and domestic which includes a oppressive government if that comes about.

The Walmart militia vs. the US govt.? It`ll be over in 10 minutes and it`s unfortunate that I can`t place a bet on the winner. It won`t be Biff and Bubba with their assault weapons.

Like it was in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and any other countries.....and those were backward countries.........

You guys don't understand history, the mass murder and genocide...we have people still alive today who were in the socialist death camps in Europe........all because they believed people like you, that they didn't need guns, that registering guns was only for their own protection.....and then when the socialist goons showed up, took their guns, then came back and marched them to the gas chambers......you would think morons like you would have learned that lesson....

You really think there will be an armed rebellion, and a bunch of hillbilly gun nuts will defeat our military. That's just pathetic.

I don’t think there will have to be/ I don’t believe the military would move on civilians. Not even for Drumphf.

Only an idiot would think that is a real possibility. I do see the possibility that a few idiots might pull more shit like at that bird sanctuary a few months back, and force having to be used to pacify them, but an all out civil war, like those crazy gun nuts keep talking about is just insane.

The problem is, you have numerous examples of people who caused much harm and refused to be defeated. It happened in Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan to name a few. And those people had far fewer firearms and far fewer resources.

I find it amusing that when the subject of a civil war comes up, someone always posts pics of fighter jets and tanks. No, a group armed with ARs will not take out fighter aircraft and tanks. But will you bomb urban areas because SOME of the people there are insurgents? Will you bomb churches, YMCAs and community parks? That will go over really well. And the insurgents will have the ability to publicize the armed forces killing innocents. And a few more will be anti-gov't. They will show videos of people being tortured. And a few more will be anti-gov't.

Whether the rebels can defeat the US military is not the question. Whether the US military can put down a civil war without creating more enemies is the question.

 

[BULLDOG]

The Walmart militia vs. the US govt.? It`ll be over in 10 minutes and it`s unfortunate that I can`t place a bet on the winner. It won`t be Biff and Bubba with their assault weapons.

Like it was in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and any other countries.....and those were backward countries.........

You guys don't understand history, the mass murder and genocide...we have people still alive today who were in the socialist death camps in Europe........all because they believed people like you, that they didn't need guns, that registering guns was only for their own protection.....and then when the socialist goons showed up, took their guns, then came back and marched them to the gas chambers......you would think morons like you would have learned that lesson....

You really think there will be an armed rebellion, and a bunch of hillbilly gun nuts will defeat our military. That's just pathetic.

I don’t think there will have to be/ I don’t believe the military would move on civilians. Not even for Drumphf.

Only an idiot would think that is a real possibility. I do see the possibility that a few idiots might pull more shit like at that bird sanctuary a few months back, and force having to be used to pacify them, but an all out civil war, like those crazy gun nuts keep talking about is just insane.

The problem is, you have numerous examples of people who caused much harm and refused to be defeated. It happened in Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan to name a few. And those people had far fewer firearms and far fewer resources.

I find it amusing that when the subject of a civil war comes up, someone always posts pics of fighter jets and tanks. No, a group armed with ARs will not take out fighter aircraft and tanks. But will you bomb urban areas because SOME of the people there are insurgents? Will you bomb churches, YMCAs and community parks? That will go over really well. And the insurgents will have the ability to publicize the armed forces killing innocents. And a few more will be anti-gov't. They will show videos of people being tortured. And a few more will be anti-gov't.

Whether the rebels can defeat the US military is not the question. Whether the US military can put down a civil war without creating more enemies is the question.

Do you really believe a civil war is a real possibility? I'm not talking about Darrel, and his other brother Darrel, and a few other hillbillies from down in the hollar. I'm talking about enough people who think armed conflict is the only possibility. Sorry, I just can't fit that into what I know of reality.

 

[WinterBorn]

Like it was in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and any other countries.....and those were backward countries.........

You guys don't understand history, the mass murder and genocide...we have people still alive today who were in the socialist death camps in Europe........all because they believed people like you, that they didn't need guns, that registering guns was only for their own protection.....and then when the socialist goons showed up, took their guns, then came back and marched them to the gas chambers......you would think morons like you would have learned that lesson....

You really think there will be an armed rebellion, and a bunch of hillbilly gun nuts will defeat our military. That's just pathetic.

I don’t think there will have to be/ I don’t believe the military would move on civilians. Not even for Drumphf.

Only an idiot would think that is a real possibility. I do see the possibility that a few idiots might pull more shit like at that bird sanctuary a few months back, and force having to be used to pacify them, but an all out civil war, like those crazy gun nuts keep talking about is just insane.

The problem is, you have numerous examples of people who caused much harm and refused to be defeated. It happened in Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan to name a few. And those people had far fewer firearms and far fewer resources.

I find it amusing that when the subject of a civil war comes up, someone always posts pics of fighter jets and tanks. No, a group armed with ARs will not take out fighter aircraft and tanks. But will you bomb urban areas because SOME of the people there are insurgents? Will you bomb churches, YMCAs and community parks? That will go over really well. And the insurgents will have the ability to publicize the armed forces killing innocents. And a few more will be anti-gov't. They will show videos of people being tortured. And a few more will be anti-gov't.

Whether the rebels can defeat the US military is not the question. Whether the US military can put down a civil war without creating more enemies is the question.

Do you really believe a civil war is a real possibility? I'm not talking about Darrel, and his other brother Darrel, and a few other hillbillies from down in the hollar. I'm talking about enough people who think armed conflict is the only possibility. Sorry, I just can't fit that into what I know of reality.

I don't think it is likely. But I can see situations where the gov't can massively fuckup and start one. The handling of the stuff at Ruby Ridge and with the Branch Davidians show the possibilities.