Mass incarceration. Sessions says- Lock em up, throw away the key.

[Markle]

So...did you not read the post you quoted, or did you just ignore it?

70 years is too disproportionate.

t the conclusion of a four-day jury trial this week in Macon County Superior Court Adam Joshua Sanders, 30, of Franklin was convicted of trafficking in methamphetamine by possession, trafficking in methamphetamine by transportation, and conspiracy to traffic in methamphetamine. He was sentenced Thursday to a maximum of 70 and a half years in prison, and he will serve at least 56 years before he is eligible for release. This case was the first case for trial during a three week special narcotics terms in Macon County Superior Court that began on Monday and will continue for the next two weeks.

I think he got what he deserved.

Adam Sanders sentenced to 70 years for drug trafficking - The Macon County News

He is a piece of shit who was contributing directly to this poison that are killing the youth here and destroying families. Don't want to go to prison? Don't commit the crime.

I believe there could be a challenge to this sentence on the grounds of it being unusually cruel.
I notice Judge Coward is highly political and is an alum of the University of North Carolina School of Law.

Is 400 grams or more, such person shall be punished as a Class C felon and shall be sentenced to a minimum term of 225 months and a maximum term of 282 months in the State's prison and shall be fined at least two hundred fifty thousand dollars ($250,000).

That's for ONE charge! That's a max of 23 years for that charge alone

He also got charged with the transportation which is ANOTHER max of 23 years.

And the last charge the conspiracy charge is again a max of 23 years so...69 years and some months is probably what he actually got....

http://nccriminallaw.sog.unc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Drug-Trafficking-Sentencing-2012.pdf

For one arrest and one trial, sentencing can be concurrent.

Sounds like it is a close relative of yours.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Now, she simply grows her own, and it is legal. I suspect that her dealer is no longer in business.

Who do you think sells to the kids or do they just steal it from their parents?

If someone knowingly sells tobacco or alcohol to kids, he will be in violation of the law. The same thing applies to someone who would sell them pot.

 

[Markle]

So...did you not read the post you quoted, or did you just ignore it?

70 years is too disproportionate.

t the conclusion of a four-day jury trial this week in Macon County Superior Court Adam Joshua Sanders, 30, of Franklin was convicted of trafficking in methamphetamine by possession, trafficking in methamphetamine by transportation, and conspiracy to traffic in methamphetamine. He was sentenced Thursday to a maximum of 70 and a half years in prison, and he will serve at least 56 years before he is eligible for release. This case was the first case for trial during a three week special narcotics terms in Macon County Superior Court that began on Monday and will continue for the next two weeks.

I think he got what he deserved.

Adam Sanders sentenced to 70 years for drug trafficking - The Macon County News

He is a piece of shit who was contributing directly to this poison that are killing the youth here and destroying families. Don't want to go to prison? Don't commit the crime.

I believe there could be a challenge to this sentence on the grounds of it being unusually cruel.
I notice Judge Coward is highly political and is an alum of the University of North Carolina School of Law.

Is 400 grams or more, such person shall be punished as a Class C felon and shall be sentenced to a minimum term of 225 months and a maximum term of 282 months in the State's prison and shall be fined at least two hundred fifty thousand dollars ($250,000).

That's for ONE charge! That's a max of 23 years for that charge alone

He also got charged with the transportation which is ANOTHER max of 23 years.

And the last charge the conspiracy charge is again a max of 23 years so...69 years and some months is probably what he actually got....

http://nccriminallaw.sog.unc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Drug-Trafficking-Sentencing-2012.pdf

For one arrest and one trial, sentencing can be concurrent.

What were his prior arrests and convictions?

 

[Markle]

If someone knowingly sells tobacco or alcohol to kids, he will be in violation of the law. The same thing applies to someone who would sell them pot.

Wow, I bet that stops them!

They can buy their supply legally and then sell to the kids and at least double their money!

 

[Vandalshandle]

If someone knowingly sells tobacco or alcohol to kids, he will be in violation of the law. The same thing applies to someone who would sell them pot.

Wow, I bet that stops them!

They can buy their supply legally and then sell to the kids and at least double their money!

OK, You are right. We will just keep doing what we are doing now with illegal drugs, and everything will be OK. It has worked so well up until now.

 

[Markle]

The war on drugs is a disgrace and clearly unconstitutional as hell. You want to talk about liberty and unconstitutional things? lol

better be for legalization.

Please explain as specifically as you can, precisely why laws against certain drugs are unconstitutional much less unconstitutional as hell.

 

[Markle]

Somebody is encouraging kids to use drugs? We democrats are the ones that are winning the war on tobacco, by taxing it to death.

New York City is trying that and they now have an entire task force charged with nothing but stopping the illegal trade in cigarettes.

What has radically slowed the sale of tobacco products is the outlawing of all advertising, constantly publishing articles and advertisements depicting the health hazards of smoking. Making smoking a socially unacceptable habit, which, in turn, has made it even more attractive to our youth.

 

[dcbl]

The similarly [similarity]

damn spell check on phone

If you do not believe that illegal drugs, illegal immigration, human trafficking and inner state gangs are a national problem, you are a fool.

I'm not saying that at all, but unfortunately, a bunch of people do feel that way

 

[dcbl]

you had me at

I'm ok with Sessions crushing brutal gangs like MS-13 and others. I don't care if he goes 'Seal Team 6' on those bastards. However, i don't support locking folks up in cages for minor drug offenses. Doing drugs is an adult decision. Just as drinking alcohol is. We don't need to throw those folks in cages with brutal violent criminals.

but lost me with

Our Justice System needs to evolve. Unfortunately, Sessions isn't someone who's capable of helping that happen. He's an old 'Law & Order' Neocon Authoritarian. He's basically a Neanderthal cretin. And Neocons also tend to have a nasty Nazi streak in em. It is what it is.

I agree that Sessions is more aggressive on some things than I would like, but overall he's a damned fine AG

 

[Vandalshandle]

The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution (Article VI, Clause 2) establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the supreme law of the land.

Supreme: SUPERIOR TO ALL OTHERS.

Any state law that is in conflict with federal law is in violation of the supreme law. <The law that is superior to any other law. Some laws that article covers are drugs, prostitution, gun ownership, abortions, alcohol, civil rights, and any state law that conflicts with federal law. Federal law and the Constitution are 2 different things. The Constitution is the guideline that federal law makers use. Our SUPREME court, upholds our Constitutional laws, not state ones. State laws are subject to supreme law. It just doesn't get any clearer than that. That you don't understand it, doesn't make it less so.

Federal law says that pot is illegal. The constitution says that law trumps any others. If you don't believe that, go sit on the steps of the police station anywhere in Ohio, for instance, and see what happens.
Colorado is trying to move recreational pot into the category of medical marijuana, at a loss of millions of state tax dollars in an attempt to prevent the feds from seizing rec pot shop inventory. That is because the Constitution makes federal law Superior to state laws.

Irish, it really is as simple as this. federal law does not have jurisdiction in intrastate issues involving drugs. If it did, the feds would be busting people in 26 states where pot has been legalized.

 

[Markle]

The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution (Article VI, Clause 2) establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the supreme law of the land.

Supreme: SUPERIOR TO ALL OTHERS.

Any state law that is in conflict with federal law is in violation of the supreme law. <The law that is superior to any other law. Some laws that article covers are drugs, prostitution, gun ownership, abortions, alcohol, civil rights, and any state law that conflicts with federal law. Federal law and the Constitution are 2 different things. The Constitution is the guideline that federal law makers use. Our SUPREME court, upholds our Constitutional laws, not state ones. State laws are subject to supreme law. It just doesn't get any clearer than that. That you don't understand it, doesn't make it less so.

Federal law says that pot is illegal. The constitution says that law trumps any others. If you don't believe that, go sit on the steps of the police station anywhere in Ohio, for instance, and see what happens.
Colorado is trying to move recreational pot into the category of medical marijuana, at a loss of millions of state tax dollars in an attempt to prevent the feds from seizing rec pot shop inventory. That is because the Constitution makes federal law Superior to state laws.

Irish, it really is as simple as this. federal law does not have jurisdiction in intrastate issues involving drugs. If it did, the feds would be busting people in 26 states where pot has been legalized.

Petulant former President Barack Hussein Obama turned a blind eye. That may not be the case in the future.

Why are pot dispensaries are so dangerous?

 

[Billo_Really]

True story:

When we were teens, a friend of mine got in trouble with a girl, so they ran off to Florida. They did fine for a few months, but eventually the cops caught up with them because they were both under age. They were sent back to Ohio and had the intention of getting married. Suddenly, she decided she didn't want the baby.

My friend said he would gladly take his baby and ask nothing of her in way of support, but she refused to give the baby to him. It went to court and was fought for months. In the meantime, he was courting my sister and they got engaged. My sister told the court that after they got married, she would be willing to take the baby and raise it herself.

After a lot of fighting and a lot of money spent, the court decided that the mother had the right to have children services put the baby up for adoption. So the bailiff took his son from his arms in the court room and that was the last time he held him.

I'm sorry to hear that.

At the very least, a father should have the same rights as the mother.

 

[Billo_Really]

That's because non violent offenses do not mean non violent people.

And when you put non-violent people in with violent people, the non-violent people come out violent.

 

[Billo_Really]

I'm ok with Sessions crushing brutal gangs like MS-13 and others. I don't care if he goes 'Seal Team 6' on those bastards. However, i don't support locking folks up in cages for minor drug offenses. Doing drugs is an adult decision. Just as drinking alcohol is. We don't need to throw those folks in cages with brutal violent criminals.

Our Justice System needs to evolve. Unfortunately, Sessions isn't someone who's capable of helping that happen. He's an old 'Law & Order' Neocon Authoritarian. He's basically a Neanderthal cretin. And Neocons also tend to have a nasty Nazi streak in em. It is what it is.

Neocons are the scum of the earth.

 

[Billo_Really]

No one is thrown in prison with brutal murderers for smoking a little bit of ganja. They are thown in prison for being a brutal murderer and yes, incidentally smoking a little bit of ganja.

If that was true, then why did the respective prison board release 166 people from death row after getting their DNA test results?

 

[Billo_Really]

Who do you think sells to the kids or do they just steal it from their parents?

They certainly can't afford the drugs coming from Big Pharma.

 

[jillian]

People do not form gangs and murder each other for money to buy a bottle of vodka. Think about it.

So the answer is to give into the criminals and let Americans kill themselves on drugs?

Do you think there are no illegal pot sales in Colorado or Washington? Do you think the mob quit running numbers because of lotteries, or quit taking bets because of casinos? That's ridiculous. The criminal element simply makes their product more attractive than the governments.

Well, now that you mention it, I don't give a rat's ass about the problems of drug addicts. I only care what drug addiction does to our society. Consequently, if someone kills themself by drug abuse, it is not my problem. And, as for Colorado, my lady friend's daughter lives in Colorado Springs and used to break the law every week buying pot. Now, she simply grows her own, and it is legal. I suspect that her dealer is no longer in business.

I'll have to look that up when I have time, but I remember reading how illegal pot sales increased in Colorado because they just undercut the highly taxed legal pot. In fact, some try to get medical pot because medical pot is not taxed from what I understand.

Correct, it is not your problem if somebody else's kid dies from drugs. But I think you'd have a different opinion if it actually (God forbid) happened to a member of your immediate family. Drugs hurt a lot more people than just the user.

As a matter of fact, I lost my father to suicide due to alcohol, before the age of 8, and the truth is that we were all glad that he wasn't coming back home again.

Okay, so how would you feel about going to your son or daughters funeral, or if you are older, one of your grandchildren's funeral because of drugs?

People don't die from pot. They DO die from alcohol and from prescription drug addiction and from cigarettes. So nice subterfuge. Try again

 

[Dschrute3]

you had me at

I'm ok with Sessions crushing brutal gangs like MS-13 and others. I don't care if he goes 'Seal Team 6' on those bastards. However, i don't support locking folks up in cages for minor drug offenses. Doing drugs is an adult decision. Just as drinking alcohol is. We don't need to throw those folks in cages with brutal violent criminals.

but lost me with

Our Justice System needs to evolve. Unfortunately, Sessions isn't someone who's capable of helping that happen. He's an old 'Law & Order' Neocon Authoritarian. He's basically a Neanderthal cretin. And Neocons also tend to have a nasty Nazi streak in em. It is what it is.

I agree that Sessions is more aggressive on some things than I would like, but overall he's a damned fine AG

Too much of a Nazi for me. We'll have to wait for Neanderthal cretins like him to go extinct before our Justice System can evolve and become less barbaric.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So the answer is to give into the criminals and let Americans kill themselves on drugs?

Do you think there are no illegal pot sales in Colorado or Washington? Do you think the mob quit running numbers because of lotteries, or quit taking bets because of casinos? That's ridiculous. The criminal element simply makes their product more attractive than the governments.

Well, now that you mention it, I don't give a rat's ass about the problems of drug addicts. I only care what drug addiction does to our society. Consequently, if someone kills themself by drug abuse, it is not my problem. And, as for Colorado, my lady friend's daughter lives in Colorado Springs and used to break the law every week buying pot. Now, she simply grows her own, and it is legal. I suspect that her dealer is no longer in business.

I'll have to look that up when I have time, but I remember reading how illegal pot sales increased in Colorado because they just undercut the highly taxed legal pot. In fact, some try to get medical pot because medical pot is not taxed from what I understand.

Correct, it is not your problem if somebody else's kid dies from drugs. But I think you'd have a different opinion if it actually (God forbid) happened to a member of your immediate family. Drugs hurt a lot more people than just the user.

As a matter of fact, I lost my father to suicide due to alcohol, before the age of 8, and the truth is that we were all glad that he wasn't coming back home again.

Okay, so how would you feel about going to your son or daughters funeral, or if you are older, one of your grandchildren's funeral because of drugs?

People don't die from pot. They DO die from alcohol and from prescription drug addiction and from cigarettes. So nice subterfuge. Try again

No kidding, but I wasn't talking about pot killing people.

 

[Dschrute3]

I'm ok with Sessions crushing brutal gangs like MS-13 and others. I don't care if he goes 'Seal Team 6' on those bastards. However, i don't support locking folks up in cages for minor drug offenses. Doing drugs is an adult decision. Just as drinking alcohol is. We don't need to throw those folks in cages with brutal violent criminals.

Our Justice System needs to evolve. Unfortunately, Sessions isn't someone who's capable of helping that happen. He's an old 'Law & Order' Neocon Authoritarian. He's basically a Neanderthal cretin. And Neocons also tend to have a nasty Nazi streak in em. It is what it is.

Neocons are the scum of the earth.

Very dangerous destructive people. They enjoy creating bloody chaos. I think Trump made a big mistake surrounding himself with em. And it's so perplexing because he routinely criticized George Bush. He especially savaged him on the Iraq War blunder. But now as President, he's surrounded himself with Bush-Neocons. Unfortunately, they'll likely be his undoing. They only know death and destruction. They'll bring him down.

I just hope Trump's able to accomplish the couple things i supported him for. If he can somehow fix our broken Immigration System and appoint at least two Supreme Court Justices, he will have done all i asked of him. Those are the most important issues in our country. They'll decide our nation's future. All the other issues don't mean too much. I just hope he can get that done before the Neocons bring him down. I guess we'll see though.

 

[Billo_Really]

Very dangerous destructive people. They enjoy creating bloody chaos. I think Trump made a big mistake surrounding himself with em. And it's so perplexing because he routinely criticized George Bush. He especially savaged him on the Iraq War blunder. But now as President, he's surrounded himself with Bush-Neocons. Unfortunately, they'll likely be his undoing. They only know death and destruction. They'll bring him down.

I just hope Trump's able to accomplish the couple things i supported him for. If he can somehow fix our broken Immigration System and appoint at least two Supreme Court Justices, he will have done all i asked of him. Those are the most important issues in our country. They'll decide our nation's future. All the other issues don't mean too much. I just hope he can get that done before the Neocons bring him down. I guess we'll see though.

They're going to bring us all down. They're going to end all life on planet earth, because they have the insane notion that we can win a nuclear war against Russia and China.

But if that happens, look at the bright side, at least the planet will be rid of neocons.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

True story:

When we were teens, a friend of mine got in trouble with a girl, so they ran off to Florida. They did fine for a few months, but eventually the cops caught up with them because they were both under age. They were sent back to Ohio and had the intention of getting married. Suddenly, she decided she didn't want the baby.

My friend said he would gladly take his baby and ask nothing of her in way of support, but she refused to give the baby to him. It went to court and was fought for months. In the meantime, he was courting my sister and they got engaged. My sister told the court that after they got married, she would be willing to take the baby and raise it herself.

After a lot of fighting and a lot of money spent, the court decided that the mother had the right to have children services put the baby up for adoption. So the bailiff took his son from his arms in the court room and that was the last time he held him.

I'm sorry to hear that.

At the very least, a father should have the same rights as the mother.

It had a happy ending I guess you could say. This happened back in the mid 70's, and about five years ago, my now ex brother-in-law did a search to see if he could find his long lost son on the internet, and he found him. In fact, his son was living in the same town as him and was a writer for their local newspaper.

He wanted to explain to his son exactly what happened so he didn't go through life wondering why he was thrown into adoption. The people that raised him didn't tell him anything about being adopted until he was in his 20's. Imagine that shock. And the only reason the mother said anything is because she got really pissed at him and wanted to inflict pain.

When he found him, his son was married for several years and my ex brother-in-law got to meet his grandchildren. They now stay in contact and he posts pictures of his son, my niece and nephew on Face Book all the time.