Mass incarceration. Sessions says- Lock em up, throw away the key.

[candycorn]

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Simple enough

Millions of crimes are committed to feed these people's drug habits.

Millions!!!! LOL

 

[Markle]

Legalize pot= small time users dont' go to prison=fewer prisons

You need to educate yourself about drug courts.

What are Drug Courts? | NADCP

 

[Markle]

Why do you lie so much?
Says here Sessions is going after dealers not users.
Sessions issues sweeping new criminal charging policy

Now you know better than to confuse our far left Progressive friends. All those FACTS and DETAILS mean nothing to them, they'll just translate the FACTS into whatever is their need at the moment!

 

[Markle]

Should a kid selling pot to their college friends face years in prison? Absolutely not. No harm, no victim.
Should a poor guy selling pot on their "block" face years in prison? Absolutely not.

Absolutely. The brain of a youth that age is still developing. Subjecting that developing brain to marijuana corrupts and damages that development.

How is millions of more kids smoking pot, going on to harder drugs, a good thing?

 

[Markle]

I don't think that would be applied equally. We would most likely see a huge number of minorities receiving the max and a huge number of whites benefitting from that wiggle room.

so, basically what we see now...

Yes.

As a percent of their population, do or do not blacks commit more crimes than whites?

 

[Aries]

Should a kid selling pot to their college friends face years in prison? Absolutely not. No harm, no victim.
Should a poor guy selling pot on their "block" face years in prison? Absolutely not.

Absolutely. The brain of a youth that age is still developing. Subjecting that developing brain to marijuana corrupts and damages that development.

How is millions of more kids smoking pot, going on to harder drugs, a good thing?

So your knowledge about marijuana is stuck in 1920?

 

[Aries]

I don't think that would be applied equally. We would most likely see a huge number of minorities receiving the max and a huge number of whites benefitting from that wiggle room.

so, basically what we see now...

Yes.

As a percent of their population, do or do not blacks commit more crimes than whites?

I believe they are more often arrested and convicted but no more likely to commit crime.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Treat drugs the same way they do in China. Drug use is a medical problem. No one is sentenced to anything. There are no courts or lawyers. They are admitted to rehabilitation where they engage in work therapy.

You know those giant factories? The workers are engaged in therapy.

 

[BluesLegend]

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Simple enough

Millions of crimes are committed to feed these people's drug habits.

Millions!!!! LOL

Did you run out of fingers and toes to count on lib? /SARCASM

 

[Jarlaxle]

I have to agree with the leftists loons on this one

well, sort f anyway

the job of the AG is to enforce the laws as they are written, so it is hard to fault him for doing his job

BUT - mandatory minimum sentences are stupid

we incarcerate too many people in this country

and drug laws SHOULD NOT be under the purview of the Federal Government

on the surface, I don't like reducing charges to help criminals, but this one is a little touchy

not a good move for the AG - interested to see where this goes

Sessions just said he is not a fan of mandatory. He is though, a fan of doing his job. He is not in the position of passing laws. He is in the position of upholding them.
Usually the person on drugs isn't incarcerated for doing drugs, but for crimes committed while on drugs or crimes committed in an effort to obtain drugs. And those on the receiving end of these crimes are getting sick and tired of the coddling of these criminals.
My friend's daughter and her daughter's disgusting boyfriend are druggy thieves by trade. A few years behind bars is about the only thing that is going to get her sober, and keep her alive, and yet every time she's caught, the judge has opted for some "alternative treatment" which in druggy speak means, "Yippee, who are we ripping off tonight, baby daddy?"

Right. That will cure them of their criminal behavior for sure!

"Federal Recidivism Studies
Federal Offenders and Recidivism-US Sentencing Commission-March, 2016

This report provides a broad overview of key findings from the United States Sentencing Commission’s study of recidivism of federal offenders.

The Commission studied offenders who were either released from federal prison after serving a sentence of imprisonment or placed on a term of probation in 2005.

Nearly half (49.3%) of such offenders were rearrested within eight years for either a new crime or for some other violation of the condition of their probation or release conditions.

This report discusses the Commission’s recidivism research project and provides many additional findings from that project. In the future, the Commission will release additional publications discussing specific topics concerning recidivism of federal offenders. (March 2016)

The offenders studied in this project are 25,431 federal offenders.

Key Findings

The key findings of the Commission’s study are:

Over an eight-year follow-up period, almost one-half of federal offenders released in 2005 (49.3%) were rearrested for a new crime or rearrested for a violation of supervision conditions.

Almost one-third (31.7%) of the offenders were also reconvicted, and one-quarter (24.6%) of the offenders were reincarcerated over the same study period.

Offenders released from incarceration in 2005 had a rearrest rate of 52.5 percent, while offenders released directly to a probationary sentence had a rearrest rate of 35.1 percent.

Of those offenders who recidivated, most did so within the first two years of the eight year follow-up period. The median time to rearrest was 21 months.

About one-fourth of those rearrested had an assault rearrest as their most serious charge over the study period. Other common most serious offenses were drug trafficking, larceny, and public order offenses.

A federal offender’s criminal history was closely correlated with recidivism rates. Rearrest rates range from 30.2 percent for offenders with zero total criminal history points to 80.1 percent of offenders in the highest Criminal History Category, VI. Each additional criminal history point was generally associated with a greater likelihood of recidivism.

A federal offender’s age at time of release into the community was also closely associated with differences in recidivism rates. Offenders released prior to age 21 had the highest rearrest rate, 67.6 percent, while offenders over sixty years old at the time of release had a recidivism rate of 16.0 percent with the exception of very short sentences (less than 6 months),

The rate of recidivism varies very little by length of prison sentence imposed (fluctuating between 50.8% for sentences between 6 months to 2 years, to a high of 55.5% for sentences between 5 to 9 years).

Other factors, including offense type and educational level, were associated with differing rates of recidivism but less so than age and criminal history.

Percent of Released Prisoners Returning to Incarceration

So what do you suggest? Hugs and coloring books? Because druggy classes simply do not work. Shall we let them help themselves to our belongings, our cash registers because incarceration is too hard on them?
Bullshit. If my friend's daughter goes to prison after one of her heists, it isn't to benefit her, it is to protect us.
A three year sentence means 3 years that a business will be able to keep it's profits, and her mother can sleep for 3 years without fear of that 3am. phone call.
If she gets out in three years and robs someone again, then 3 years wasn't long enough. Make it 6 years next time.

You think jail is a safe place lol? The longer she is there the higher the chance of her being hurt or killed by other inmates.
I suggest we get rid of private prisons- no one should be profiting off their neighbors loss of freedom. Break a law go to a gov prison.
I suggest we review sentence durations. Our punishments don't fit the crime.
I suggest we get rid of minimum sentences and trust our judges to use their best judgement.
I suggest we look at programs prisoners transition to after their sentence- are we just dropping excons back into the same situation that lead then to crime or are we preparing them to be contributing members of society?
I also would like to see much more attention on the discrepancies of arrests and sentencing among the races.

Like I said, sentencing a criminal isn't for their own good, it is for society's own good. I don't give a shit what happens to her in jail. She is aware of the risks and apparently thinks it is worth it so..

Then you are a psycho and should be locked up.

 

[BlindBoo]

Should a kid selling pot to their college friends face years in prison? Absolutely not. No harm, no victim.
Should a poor guy selling pot on their "block" face years in prison? Absolutely not.

Absolutely. The brain of a youth that age is still developing. Subjecting that developing brain to marijuana corrupts and damages that development.

How is millions of more kids smoking pot, going on to harder drugs, a good thing?

So your knowledge about marijuana is stuck in 1920?

But think of the children..........

 

[Jarlaxle]

So you're against arresting drug dealers and giving them long sentences?

A better way to make America Great would be to put the dealers out of business by legalizing, growing here, employing Americans here, who pay taxes here.... and stiffen up on some of the "repeat addicts" with boot camps.

I dont have a problem with pot.
I do however have a problem with those who sell highly addictive drugs like coke or heroin.
That shit destroys lives.

So, you must support a return to alcohol prohibition, then?

Or are you just a hypocrite?

 

[Jarlaxle]

So you're against arresting drug dealers and giving them long sentences?

Good question.
Should a kid selling pot to their college friends face years in prison? Absolutely not. No harm, no victim.
Should a poor guy selling pot on their "block" face years in prison? Absolutely not.

Should a heroin dealer? yes- heroin kills people.

Which is why Sessions said prosecutors have the discretion for which crimes to charge.

but to always go after the max sentence. Thats BS. I think that just because someone shouldn't receive the max doesn't mean they shouldn't be charged, they still committed the crime right? How about our punishments match our crime? Better solution.

It is the job of prosecutors to pursue the maximum sentence for the crime committed.

It's the job of the defense to argue that sentence, and it's the job of the judge and the jury to determine what an appropriate sentence is.

I think the judge and jury should have discretion. But when a person is convicted, and sentenced, they should have to serve the entire sentence.

Which is what I've been saying all along. You just aren't equipped to understand.

my understanding was the prosecutors, defense, judge, and jury were all out for justice? No?

I was once that naive...then I finished sixth grade.

 

[Crixus]

"The move is a reversal of ex-President Barack Obama's policy to reduce jail time for low-level drug crimes.

It means we are going to meet our responsibility to enforce the law with judgment and fairness," Mr Sessions said on Friday. "It is simply the right and moral thing to do."

Mr Sessions' predecessor, Eric Holder, had instructed prosecutors in 2013 to avoid pursuing the maximum punishment for criminals in cases such as minor drug offences, which would have triggered mandatory minimum sentencing.

The 2013 policy also encouraged prosecutors to omit details about drug quantities in cases of non-violent offenders with no previous charges or ties to gangs or cartels to avoid harsher punishments.
Mandatory minimum sentences laws, which were passed in the 1980s and 1990s as part of the US "war on drugs", prevent judges from applying discretion when sentencing certain drug offences and are instead determined by the quantity of drugs involved in the crime.
Mr Obama had sought to ease mandatory minimum sentences to reduce jail time for low-level drug crimes and help relieve overcrowded prisons in the US as part of criminal justice reform."

US law boss Sessions orders harsher criminal sentencing - BBC News





"The United States has less than 5 percent of the world's population. But it has almost a quarter of the world's prisoners.

Americans are locked up for crimes — from writing bad checks to using drugs — that would rarely produce prison sentences in other countries. And in particular they are kept incarcerated far longer than prisoners in other nations.

Criminologists and legal scholars in other industrialized nations say they are mystified and appalled by the number and length of American prison sentences.

The United States has, for instance, 2.3 million criminals behind bars,
China, which is four times more populous than the United States, is a distant second, with 1.6 million people in prison


If you count only adults, one in 100 Americans is locked up
The only other major industrialized nation that even comes close is Russia, with 627 prisoners for every 100,000 people.
The others have much lower rates. England's rate is 151; Germany's is 88; and Japan's is 63.
(The median among all nations is about 125, roughly a sixth of the American rate)


Criminologists and legal experts here and abroad point to a tangle of factors to explain America's extraordinary incarceration rate: higher levels of violent crime, harsher sentencing laws, a legacy of racial turmoil, a special fervor in combating illegal drugs, the American temperament, and the lack of a social safety net. Even democracy plays a role, as judges — many of whom are elected, another American anomaly — yield to populist demands for tough justice.
Whatever the reason, the gap between American justice and that of the rest of the world is enormous and growing.


The spike in American incarceration rates is quite recent. From 1925 to 1975, the rate remained stable, around 110 people in prison per 100,000 people. It shot up with the movement to get tough on crime in the late 1970s.


People who commit nonviolent crimes in the rest of the world are less likely to receive prison time and certainly less likely to receive long sentences. The United States is, for instance, the only advanced country that incarcerates people for minor property crimes like passing bad checks, Whitman wrote.

In 1980, there were about 40,000 people in American jails and prisons for drug crimes. These days, there are almost 500,000.
"The U.S. pursues the war on drugs with an ignorant fanaticism," said Stern of King's College.

Still, it is the length of sentences that truly distinguishes American prison policy.
Burglars in the United States serve an average of 16 months in prison, according to Mauer, compared with 5 months in Canada and 7 months in England."
U.S. prison population dwarfs that of other nations

Meh, not worried. The Feds is already against them on drugs. If trump don't get it the next presidant will.

 

[koshergrl]

Burglars should be in prison for years. Not months. It's insane. And I can't believe there are sane people who argue that it's discriminatory to incarcerate fucking criminals.

Which is why we need nuthouses. Obviously, we have a problem in this country. And it's not just the criminals.

 

[Aries]

Good question.
Should a kid selling pot to their college friends face years in prison? Absolutely not. No harm, no victim.
Should a poor guy selling pot on their "block" face years in prison? Absolutely not.

Should a heroin dealer? yes- heroin kills people.

Which is why Sessions said prosecutors have the discretion for which crimes to charge.

but to always go after the max sentence. Thats BS. I think that just because someone shouldn't receive the max doesn't mean they shouldn't be charged, they still committed the crime right? How about our punishments match our crime? Better solution.

It is the job of prosecutors to pursue the maximum sentence for the crime committed.

It's the job of the defense to argue that sentence, and it's the job of the judge and the jury to determine what an appropriate sentence is.

I think the judge and jury should have discretion. But when a person is convicted, and sentenced, they should have to serve the entire sentence.

Which is what I've been saying all along. You just aren't equipped to understand.

my understanding was the prosecutors, defense, judge, and jury were all out for justice? No?

I was once that naive...then I finished sixth grade.

In reality most are out for $$
But the idea is they are all searching for justice

 

[Aries]

Burglars should be in prison for years. Not months. It's insane. And I can't believe there are sane people who argue that it's discriminatory to incarcerate fucking criminals.

Which is why we need nuthouses. Obviously, we have a problem in this country. And it's not just the criminals.

When certain colored criminals get 3 months for rape and a certain colored criminal gets years for a victimless crime it's discrimination.

 

[koshergrl]

Burglars should be in prison for years. Not months. It's insane. And I can't believe there are sane people who argue that it's discriminatory to incarcerate fucking criminals.

Which is why we need nuthouses. Obviously, we have a problem in this country. And it's not just the criminals.

When certain colored criminals get 3 months for rape and a certain colored criminal gets years for a victimless crime it's discrimination.

That depends.
Person on person crimes need to be punished severely. I already said that.

But you keep pretending there are these people imprisoned for years for *victimless crimes* and that it's a matter of COLOR..and an indication we need to lessen sentencing guidelines?

Are you high?

It's not about race. It's about a system that refuses to hold people accountable for the worst crimes imaginable, and instead keep letting people skate.

S. Deschutes Co. man charged in Gorge cliff death strikes plea deal
Three years probation for killing this girl.

No prison sentence for mother in death of baby Aniston
Walker left 7-week-old Aniston with a 3-year-old at home and without adult supervision.

Man kills baby, gets out of prison, kills another

 

[koshergrl]

Burglars should be in prison for years. Not months. It's insane. And I can't believe there are sane people who argue that it's discriminatory to incarcerate fucking criminals.

Which is why we need nuthouses. Obviously, we have a problem in this country. And it's not just the criminals.

When certain colored criminals get 3 months for rape and a certain colored criminal gets years for a victimless crime it's discrimination.

Man gets two years of house arrest for killing baby
Father who was arrested for killing his four children served 15 years in prison for murdering his pregnant first wife in 1991 | Daily Mail Online

 

[task0778]

Was just thinking that even if drug use is a victimless crime, how does the user get the money to buy the drugs? In many cases, he/she commits a crime where there is a victim so they can obtain their drugs. I'm not sure stricter sentencing is the answer, but letting drug offenders back on the street sooner isn't the answer either. We're gonna have to find ways to fix the problem, more than just longer jail time.